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about the Doors...Edit

Everyone probably doesn't want to hear more about this, but I just noticed edits like this on an article on my watch list. I'm not asking to reopen the question of whether to capitalize or not capitalize the "the". However, to me, if we are saying that the "the" shouldn't be capitalized because it is not part of the band name - then why include it in the link? Just use "blah blah blah the Doors". It should be "The Doors" or "Doors", but "the Doors" just looks odd. Brianyoumans (talk) 00:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Modifications to the general music policy on WikipediaEdit

Given most classical music (or concert music, as Dr. Robert "Bob" Greenberg of The Great Courses fame calls it) showcase the full piece each article talks about, why are articles about pop music, such as Get Lucky (Daft Punk song), only allowed a 30-second sample? This confuses everyone, including me. --Fandelasketchup (talk) 14:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Copyright? --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

MOS:THEMUSIC for solo artistsEdit

Currently, the wording of MOS:THEMUSIC says it applies to bands. But what about solo artists, for example, the Notorious B.I.G. or the Tallest Man on Earth or the Alchemist? Do the same rules apply? Which of these would we write: "Mo Money Mo Problems" is a song by the Notorious B.I.G. or "Mo Money Mo Problems" is a song by The Notorious B.I.G.? Thanks. 83.250.95.80 (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Good question. Also The Neptunes which is a production duo and not really a band. Binksternet (talk) 19:35, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@83.250.95.80: You must see my edits been reverted by AshMusique and some IP in the article regarding The Weeknd and The Alchemist [1] [2], I guess this is the reason why you here right? I don't think the wording should only applies to bands, it should applies to solo artists or a team of producers as well. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
...As was said by theAmazingPeanuts, lower case 't'.
The RfC to get The Beatles changed to the Beatles was super huge and messy, with a couple of editors dropping out over the result. Just so you know what might happen. Binksternet (talk) 22:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Put on Yesterday, a the Beatles song, and all your troubles will seem so far away. Dicklyon (talk) 23:10, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
We should keep it consistent for every artist whose name begins with "the", otherwise it's going to lead to long arguments about whether bands who are effectively just one person should be capitalised or not, why musical duos shouldn't be capitalised but production duos should, etc. Richard3120 (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I think we should update it to apply to the names of musical acts generally. I can't think why we'd want to apply this to bands but not solo acts - the same logic applies. I know the battle for this policy was huge in the first place, but I would have thought that now we have it wouldn't be a big jump to have it place for all acts, not just groups.
(As an aside, I think the same logic would also apply to the names of newspapers, companies, restaurants, clubs, etc, but that's out of scope for this discussion to say the least. A while ago I wrote an essay with these thoughts if anyone's curious.) Popcornfud (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
MOS:NICKNAMETHE is pretty darn specific, saying lower case 'the' for a nickname, pseudonym or any alias. Binksternet (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Binksternet, that's true, and I didn't even think of that policy in this case. Popcornfud (talk) 16:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
MOS:NICKNAMETHE for "nickname, pseudonym, or other alias" links to MOS:THECAPS, which lists exceptions and says names "should be quoted exactly according to common usage." Some1 (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
You might want to look again because it says not names but "the titles of artistic and academic works" are the things that "should be quoted exactly according to common usage." Which is not what is being discussed here. There are plenty of times that Wikipedia purposely does not follow what the artist wants, for instance all the rappers with a dollar sign in their name get a simple ess from Wikipedia. Regarding the Weeknd's style, MOS:NICKNAMETHE stands as definitive guidance on the question. Binksternet (talk) 07:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

A similar discussion is taking place over at Talk:The_Weeknd#the_Weekend. Thoughts and opinions are needed. Pinging editors in this discussion: 83.250.95.80, Binksternet, AshMusique, Dicklyon. (TheAmazingPeanuts, Richard3120, and Popcornfud were already pinged/are already aware of the discussion over at the article). Some1 (talk) 16:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to join the discussion regarding the capitalization of "the" in a solo musician's stage name: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Capitalization_of_"the"_in_a_stage_name. Permanent link: [3]. Some1 (talk) 01:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Italicisation of a few Latin expressionsEdit

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music#Italicization of various Medieval movements. Please discuss there, not here. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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