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This talk page can be used to discuss issues with the automated taxobox system that are common to the entire system, not just one of its templates. Discussions of this nature prior to 2017 can be found at Template talk:Automatic taxobox

Those familiar with the system prior to mid-2016 are advised to read Notes for "old hands".

30 June 2022 use stats updateEdit

30 June 2022 update

Project Auto Manual Total taxa Percentage auto # auto added since 30 December 2021 # manual subtracted
Algae 2039 285 2324 87.7 243 224
Amphibians and Reptiles 20407 234 20641 98.9 913 62
Animals 9041 2337 11378 79.5 444 217
Arthropods 8252 4097 12349 66.8 371 179
Beetles 19965 18059 38024 52.5 899 505
Birds 14141 89 14230 99.4 58 7
Bivalves 1621 35 1656 97.9 40 1
Cephalopods 1840 682 2522 73.0 318 298
Dinosaurs 1599 5 1604 99.7 17 4
Diptera 11368 3553 14921 76.2 634 430
Fishes 21434 2834 24268 88.3 1278 287
Fungi 7973 6201 14174 56.3 1144 461
Gastropods 20067 13888 33955 59.1 1500 1439
Insects 46541 29968 76509 60.8 2170 1685
Lepidoptera 57636 40705 98341 58.6 11118 10796
Mammals 7950 192 8142 97.6 367 138
Marine life 7279 1648 8927 81.5 308 154
Microbiology 4848 7878 12726 38.1 1721 1138
Palaeontology 13232 3960 17192 77.0 1177 593
Plants 73493 2997 76490 96.1 5113 2925
Primates 974 0 974 100.0 1 0
Rodents 3063 31 3094 99.0 7 3
Sharks 792 48 840 94.3 3 1
Spiders 9426 0 9426 100.0 169 0
Tree of Life 80 9 89 89.9 6 2
Turtles 744 1 745 99.9 18 -1
Viruses 1705 56 1761 96.8 15 0
Total 324943 120940 445883 72.9 29054 19665

Mammal subprojects with articles tagged for both mammals and subproject:

Project Auto Manual Total taxa Percentage auto
Bats 1573 0 1573 100.0
Cats 187 0 187 100.0
Cetaceans 427 0 427 100.0
Dogs 241 0 241 100.0
Equine 106 0 106 100.0
Methods and caveats (copy-pasted from previous update)

Method: For the most part I use Petscan to search for articles with a talk page banner for a particular Wikiproject and either {{Taxobox}}, or any of {{Automatic taxobox}}+{{Speciesbox}}+({{Infraspeciesbox}} and/or {{Subspeciesbox}} (depending on whether botanical/zoological code is relevant)), and record the results. Example search for algae with automatic taxoboxes (search terms are in the Templates&Links tab in Petscan). For viruses, I search for {{Virusbox}} rather than the other automatic taxobox templates. For plants, I sum the results for the Plants, Banksia, Carnivorous plants and Hypericaceae projects. "Total" is derived from the Template Transclusion Count tool (https://templatecount.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en&namespace=10&name=Speciesbox#bottom e.g. results for Speciesbox), and is not actually sum of the results for individual projects (some articles have talk page banners for multiple Wikiprojects, and would be counted twice if rows were summed). I started compiling these stats in April 2017, and have been updating roughly every six months since December 2017. I've kept my method consistent; perhaps I should have included all of the automatic taxobox templates (Hybridbox, Ichnobox, etc.), but I didn't do so at the beginning, and the other templates aren't used in very many articles.

Caveat: The remaining manual taxoboxes in projects with a high percentage of automatic taxoboxes mostly have some kind of "problem". I have periodically reviewed all the manual taxobox articles in projects with less than 235 manual taxoboxes, and chose not to convert them to automatic taxoboxes at that time (however, it has been awhile since my last review, so there probably a few recently included articles I haven't reviewed). "Problems" may include:

  • Fossil taxa; fossil classifications may be derived from multiple sources and present classification on Wikipedia may include mutually incompatible hypotheses. Fossil taxa are often not be linked from extant parent taxa.
  • Synonymy; there is some obvious synonymy issue; e.g., a species is in a genus which redirects (as a synonym) to another genus; maybe the species article needs to be moved or maybe the genus should be reinstated
  • Common names; articles with common name titles may not correspond to taxa, but still have manual taxoboxes. In some cases {{Paraphyletic group}} may be appropriate, in others the taxobox should be removed
  • Parasite and pathogens; article on parasites and pathogens may be tagged for the WikiProject of the organisms they infect. Higher level taxonomy templates for the parasites may not yet exist, and the classification presented in manual taxoboxes may not be up to date.

I have some detailed notes breaking remaining plant manual taxoboxes down by family at User:Plantdrew/Plant automatic taxobox progress. Less detailed notes at User:Plantdrew/Animal automatic taxobox progress that break animals down by phylum, insects and fish by order, and palaeontology and marine life by overlap with other projects. There are a bunch of animal groups with manual taxoboxes in the double digits if anybody is interested in a small task in converting manual taxoboxes to automatic. The single turtle article with a manual taxobox is Acleistochelys, which is placed in a tribe that isn't mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia. Plantdrew (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Interesting to see that Dinosaurs is down to five. And my area of concern, Cats, is at zero. Thanks for the update! SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 14 July 2022Edit

I think that maybe the clade dinosauria-found in the classification/hierarchy box of this page-should be change to be listed as a super-order as opposed to clade, because I think that the word clade being easily overlooked and thus the information associated with it (but that just me), also I can not assess sandbox (due to me not being logged in) to show you and for that I am sorry.169.1.154.245 (talk) 13:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC) I have dyslexia 😂 169.1.154.245 (talk) 13:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Per Dinosaur classification#Benton classification, most dinosaur paleontologists have advocated a shift away from traditional, ranked Linnaean taxonomy in favor of rankless phylogenetic systems, so it's not at all clear to me that Linnean taxonomial terms should be used here. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)