Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/TAM (tank)

TAM (tank) edit

This article passed an A-class review last month, but I don't want to put it up for FAC because during the review some people said that it's reliance on a single major source would handicap its progress. Unfortunately, there are no other major sources which can be used for the article. Therefore, I bring it to a peer review to see if I can get it prepared (in some way) for FAC. Thank you! JonCatalán^(Talk) 21:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shimgray edit

It seems somewhat unclear what the main armament is. The infobox says "FM K.4 Modelo 1L", and links this to Royal Ordnance L7, which page also claims the L7 was used on the TAM. However, the main text says "Ultimately, this gun was substituted with the modified L7A2 and finally with Rheinmetall's Rh-105-30 105mm gun. This gun is manufactured in Argentina as the FM K.4 Modelo 1L". To further complicate things, the Rheinmetall LTA2 is listed on the Rheinmetall page as having been the gun used for the TAM.

So... which is it? We have a number of options, some being the same as others but with different names. Were there two production batches with different guns? Shimgray | talk | 19:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rheinmetall's Rh-105-30 is the same thing as the L7A3, which is why it all links back to Royal Ordnance's L7A3; it's just manufactured in Germany. The FM K.4 Modelo 1L is the same gun, manufactured in Argentina. I'm not sure what the LTA2 is, and that's not even covered in Rheinmetall's website - that article is wrong, and that article should probably be renamed something like Rheinmetall 105mm tank-gun (which I have suggested before). Then again, it might be better just to merge LTA2 with Royal Ordnance L7, since neither article is long enough to justify having the Rheinmetall 105mm gun as its own article (there is no separate article for the M256, there's just Rheinmetall 120mm gun). JonCatalán^(Talk) 19:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That all makes sense - all these local licenses and so on confused me! Perhaps omitting the intermediate L7A2 and explicitly mentioning that the Rh-105-30 is a modified L7 would clarify matters? Shimgray | talk | 20:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the "old" version of the article (before Jon's comprehensive and documented re-creation) it was mentioned that three different main guns were used, roughly according to "production batches":

Licence-built British Royal Ordnance L7A1 105 mm tank gun (first vehicles)
Rheinmetall LTA2 105 mm tank gun (most vehicles)
Licence-built French CN-105-57 105 mm tank gun (final vehicles)

Unfortunately, this information is unsupported by any bibliography and I guess this is why Jon left it out the current incarnation. Which is Ok, after all, as info should be verifiable (this info is still in the article's current version in the Spanish Wikipedia).
Regards, DPdH (talk) 05:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]