Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 November 9

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 07:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is precedent to not have squad navboxes for teams that did not do well; none of the teams listed here have even made it out of the pool stage of the Rugby World Cup. Primefac (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) JJPMaster (she/they) 03:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NENAN, only three valid links. 3 other articles deleted and redirected. The Banner talk 21:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Zolotonosha and similar Russia Ukraine navboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Navbox with no transclusions and no (or too few) articles to navigate among. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Promotional. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Puffery into Template:Promotional.

There seems to be little substantial difference between {{Puffery}}'s message ("This article contains wording that promotes the subject through exaggeration of unnoteworthy facts)" and that of {{Promotional}} ("This article contains promotional content"), to which it should be redirected. Reducing the number of similar templates decreases the cognitive load on editors, making it easier to know which to use. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second, What about the possibility of merging the two, but adding a parameter that could change the wording to account for the differences in circumstances? (e.g. {{Connected contributor}} has a {{{1}}} parameter that adds a sentence when "yes" is entered)
Finally, I second the suggestion above of considering {{Peacock}} as part of this discussion. –Noha307 (talk) 16:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Two different aspects. {{Promotional}} is for promotional information that may be well-sourced and true in nature. {{Puffery}} is for false, probably misrepresented exaggerated information that is added purely for the promotional purposes. Not the same thing. Cfls (talk) 17:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom, Izno, and other supporters. There's a notional added specificity, but there is no practical difference, and maintenance templates are supposed to be practical.—Alalch E. 22:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Theoretically at least promotional material can be true, and/or doesn't necessarily have to be positive, unlike puffery -Smallangryplanet (talk) 14:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    {{puffery}} says This article contains wording that promotes the subject through exaggeration of unnoteworthy facts. That doesn't seem like an an appropriate message to tag an article containing falsehoods with, since a fact has to be true by definition? If an article contains false information something like {{hoax}} or {{disputed}} would be much more appropriate. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. Technically "promotional" often has the connotation of "possible COI editing", while "puffery" doesn't as much. However, this is not a sensible reason to duplicate templates with otherwise identical meanings. Toadspike [Talk] 21:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sir @Jdcooper, you'll got invited to discuss these problems.... 2001:448A:1020:5990:126:25A3:B314:3F44 (talk) 02:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: While the tags seem to have different intentions for which problem the article with the tag would have (per Noha307), the action that needs to be taken to clean up the articles is ultimately the same. Windfarmer talk 09:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was keep. There is rough consensus that this template should be kept. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the point of this ugly clutter?. Norway has almost 300 newspapers, and I don't see any redeeming qualities in a navigation box between all of them – not to mention hundreds of defunct newspapers, which are unelegantly thrown into the mix as well. Geschichte (talk) 09:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I find navboxes on newspapers for a specific country to be quite useful in navigating myself. I would advise removing the redlinks, and splitting off the defunct ones into their own part. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, rather big but certainly valid and useful. The Banner talk 21:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused with no mainspace article. Nothing connects other than the similarities of these laws. No real unifying topic presented. All articles are under Category:Freedom of information legislation in the United States. But no main article exists for this category so a navbox isn't necessary or needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the title should be changed to "Freedom of information laws in the United States"? Gonnym (talk) 09:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 03:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 06:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing with another collapsing header template Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This template is essentially unused these days with only some 2 dozen uses. Whatever it was used for before, it is no longer used for today. I suspect most uses today use CSS and additional divs to manage any weird leanings of content (such as {{navbox}} does). Izno (talk) 05:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 04:58, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an inactive subproject of Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League, not its own wikiproject. Task forces/subprojects/work groups whathaveyou are done through a parameter on the parent project template, not its own template. Should be merged with the parent project. edit: I meant to nominate this for merging not deletion. Apologies. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, replace and delete; Merge with Template:WikiProject National Football League, add |jets= to the template, replace usages and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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