Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 December 3

December 3

Film writer templates

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 December 19. Izno (talk) 23:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jonathan_Aibel_and_Glenn_Berger (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ted_Elliott_and_Terry_Rossio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:John_Fusco (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Cinco_Paul_and_Ken_Daurio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:William_Davies (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Ampers&One

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ampers&One (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 3 distinct directly-related articles. Template offers no additional navigational benefit. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:AAT search link

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AAT search link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This dissertation citation template uses a URL that no longer works and is used five times. This should be deleted and replaced with Template:Cite thesis, as it allows for far more parameters. SWinxy (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PIE

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PIE (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Replace usages with {{lang|ine-x-proto}} and delete.

Proto-Indo-European language has been supported for a while now by {{lang}}, which additionally provides various checks, validations and categories, that this template does not.

The main difference between the two templates is that PIE does not italic the text or adds an asterisk (*), while Lang does. That means that when replacing, if a PIE usage

has an asterisk, it should be removed
wraps the template in italics, they should be removed

See this edit as an example.

Also somewhat related, "pie" is incorrect to use here as that is the language code for the Piro Pueblo language. Gonnym (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support nomination, per nom. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 05:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Testcase

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The result of the discussion was replace and delete testcase Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Testcase (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Test case (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Testcase with Template:Test case.
{{Testcase}} is referred to as the legacy version of the spaced {{Test case}}. They should be merged. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 21:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I do think that the amount of coding that would be required to create a wrapper for the old template so that all the params can translate into the new one would be overly burdensome, and I don't think that the time spent reprogramming old test cases to follow the format of the new template would be worth it. As such, I don't think that template merging here would improve the encyclopedia on a net basis, so I think they should be kept. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replace all usages (122) and delete template. Don't merge anything that the new template can already do, and only merge specific features if actually needed. Gonnym (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy with that outcome, too. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 21:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with either a delete or merge. Not a keep. We don't need two templates with the same name running around not doing the same thing. Izno (talk) 00:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For clarity, I am fine with deleting, too. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 20:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What Gonnym said. Merging to suit both suites of parameters is nigh-impossible. On the other hand, there's nearly no reason to favor the syntax of testcase. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replace and delete', per Gonnym. {{Testcase}} has a syntax that is more complicated and difficult to use. There's no value in packing all that into the main template, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 14:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Pacific Ocean Blue

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pacific Ocean Blue (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not needed, links already included at more comprehensive {{Dennis Wilson}} navbox --wooden superman 12:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Holland (album)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Holland (album) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only three of the songs in the tracklisting have articles. All the outtakes redirect to the album article. --wooden superman 12:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:How-to

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was merge to Template:How-to. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:How-to (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 324 transclusions
Template:Manual (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 547 transclusions

Propose merging Template:How-to with Template:Manual.
These seem to say the same thing, in different words ("contains instructions, advice, or how-to content"/ "written like a manual or guide").

Reducing the number of available duplicative templates makes it easier for editors to find the template suited to an issue which they wish to flag. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to {{How-to}} which is slightly older (2006). — Hex • talk 14:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to {{Manual}}. I think the latter frames it better than the former; this isn't serious enough to be an orange tag IMHO. Plus the latter has more transclusions. Duckmather (talk) 04:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge which way?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose A how-to is not a manual. Just compare wikiHow and manualslib. A how-to is usually a numbered list of instructions, while a manual usually includes pages with labelled figures without instructions in addition to the how-to.
This means a manual is less unencyclopedic than a how-to. Being all-encompassing, the merge destination should be {{Manual}}, and perhaps a |how-to=1 can be added as a severity parameter. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 04:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The deletion nomination rationale is not that "a how-to is a manual". The issue is that the two templates are used interchangeably, and the distinction between their usecases is vague and their content duplicative. What purpose would a "severity parameter" serve? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The distinction is like {{no plot}}/{{How-to}} vs {{more plot}}/{{Manual}}. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 07:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It is not. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to merge to how-to. The relevant section is most often linked as NOTHOWTO (not NOTMANUAL), and "manual" feels a bit ambiguous on top of that with potential other uses in template space. No strong preference to the color associated with the sidebar. Eye balling the use instructions on Template:Ambox, I'd say this could go either way with the yellow/orange. (Many how-to cases can be rewritten without the step by step instruction.) Izno (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge but no strong preference on which template is the target for the merge. Both templates are linking to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal and both are roughly for the same issue. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 14:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:IranNCSGN

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 December 17. Izno (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IranNCSGN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:As It Is

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:As It Is (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only three albums. WP:NENAN --wooden superman 10:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Bethany Cosentino

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bethany Cosentino (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only one album and one featured single to her credit doesn't meet the threshold of WP:NENAN --wooden superman 10:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Christian political parties in the Netherlands

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Christian political parties in the Netherlands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We already have Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands. I believe these templates per ideology make the template lists too cluttered, especially for active parties. Dajasj (talk) 09:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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