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Module:Football box collapsible teamnameEdit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

no longer used or needed after changes to Module:Football box collapsible which now uses LUA (including the bolding logic) and supports |shootout1=, |shootout2= parameters for North American style labeling. Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 11:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:2019–20 Championnat National 2 Group A TableEdit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

unused after being merged with the parent article per consensus at WT:FOOTY Frietjes (talk) 13:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 11:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 11:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Creator comment - I don't mind if these get deleted, I just want to know what will happen with articles such as this, which use these templates? - J man708 (talk) 12:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Physical EarthEdit

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Earth. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 08:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Propose merging Template:Physical Earth with Template:Earth.

From a discussion at WikiProject Geology, the growing consensus seems to be that {{Earth}} has too many links that readers are unlikely to visit. RockMagnetist made a suggestion that we use {{Physical Earth}} as a basis for {{Earth}} instead, keeping links in {{Earth}} that would be likely to be read. I've implemented a proposed merged template at User:Hike395/Earth. Discussion at WikiProject Geology has improved the proposal. This TfM is opening the merge discussion to a wider community. — hike395 (talk) 11:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Slight oppose until the merged template has consensus and per initial nom reasoning. Presenting a coherent and detailed topic map of Wikipedia is the purpose of a navbox template. The perceived problem may be in the way the templates are constructed and designed. A merge is reasonable, and I'll play with the large one a bit. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, the larger template is a problem, have edited a quick sample which removes (a topic purge) the long section on maps and Solar System formation (the formation page already exists in history) and reordered it a bit. It does need work, and Hike395's proposed template example would work if expanded. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
@Randy Kryn: It sounds like you want to add links to the proposal: which links would you suggest? I'd like to try to follow the five guidelines for a good navbox, if possible. — hike395 (talk) 15:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support{{Earth}} arguably meets one of the reasons to delete a template, being redundant to a better template; but it has the more appropriate name, which is why the proposed merger is into it. I don't think the details of what goes into the merged navbox need to be decided before a merger. RockMagnetist(talk) 16:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support merging the two similar-purpose navbox templates about Earth. I have some changes to suggest on the merged template prototype... 1) Change "In culture and society" row label to "Culture and society". 2) Change "Related" row label to "Astronomy" since that covers what's there. 3) Bring over "World history", "List of countries" and "World economy" from the original {{Earth}} navbox to the "Culture and society" row. Obviously editors can make those changes. But since it's in your user space, I'll ask first if you prefer to act as moderator of changes to the prototype during this discussion. Ikluft (talk) 20:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
@Ikluft: I've moved the draft to Template:Earth/sandbox. I have implemented your suggestions, but it would be good to know what other editors think of World history, List of countries, and World economy as worthwhile links. I don't tend to think of these as specifically Earth-related (other than the fact that almost all of WP refers to something on Earth). — hike395 (talk) 05:42, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Later -- maybe I see Ikluft's point. These are global topics, so are Earth-related. — hike395 (talk) 05:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  Like - well done. Thanks! Yeah, it's interesting getting into a global mindset for this navbox. Ikluft (talk) 06:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I see another possible merge item. The title line "Earth-related topics" could just be "Earth" for the merged template, as it was for the original {{Physical Earth}} - that was suggested by RockMagnetist in the discussion on WikiProject Geology. In order to avoid losing the link to Outline of Earth in the wikilink for the word "topics", a link to it can go in the bottom line with the portals and category links. Since it was in the original proposal, I'll go ahead and add this to the sandbox prototype. Ikluft (talk) 06:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
To record it in the discussion, after I made the changes listed above in the prototype merged template, Hike395 also made some other changes. The Outline of Earth link that I moved to the bottom row got moved toward the front of that line with the portals going to the end. Another improvement by Hike395 was shortening the displayed text on links to pages titled "Xyz of Earth" by removing the "of Earth" which is redundant on this template. The merged template looks good as a balance between brevity and the global scope it needs to cover. I have no further suggestions. Ikluft (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
I copied Gravity, Magnetic field, and Evolutionary history of life from the current template into the proposed merge. In addition, I changed the Astronomy group to be Planetary science, and moved World into the Culture group.
  Question: Any other suggestions for the proposed merged template? — hike395 (talk) 06:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  Like reiterating after the recent changes that the sandbox navbox looks good to me. Ikluft (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:FallenEdit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 November 20. Primefac (talk) 02:10, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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Template:LiberaEdit

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 03:10, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

I just reviewed the former entries in the nav template and only one work was remotely notable. With only the choir article and one album, there's no reason to have a nav template. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete Yep, this one is just too small. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 08:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Jersey City CouncilEdit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 November 21. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 November 21. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Map-locEdit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 November 24. Primefac (talk) 00:01, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 November 21. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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