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Template:Ru-pop-refEdit

The template consists of a set of hardcoded instances of {{cite web}}. As article content, the references should not be stored in templates. When a source is changed to something else (example) existing uses of the template are no longer guaranteed to support the facts that they previously supported. Prior to my recent edits, the access dates were hardcoded there too, which is misleading. {{cite pmid}}, {{cite isbn}}, and {{cite doi}} were substituted then deleted/deprecated for similar reasons. — JJMC89(T·C) 22:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Strong oppose. The template is heavily in use, and sources have been stable for the last several years, I was using all of them as of today. But the point of the template is exactly to keep the reference to all these documents in the same place, and then, if one of the sources gets moved, it could be easily fixed without a necessity to make several thousands edits. The only policy-based argument against the template I have seen was that lead should be in better prose, and this indeed should be solved eventually (the work is ongoing), but just deleting the template with thousands of inclusions without any alternative will only lead to disruption, and there will be no benefit to the project whatsoever.--Ymblanter (talk) 23:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox IAAUS football seasonEdit

Propose merging Template:Infobox IAAUS football season with Template:Infobox college football season.
The IAAUS template has |champions=, the more general one has |champion=; all other parameters are present in the generic template, but some tweaks to the latter's |above= and |below= code will probably be required.

The IAAUS template has only four transclusions, because that series ended in 1909. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox India state administrationEdit

Only three transclusions, all for the same state. {{Infobox Indian state government}} is available, if needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox accounting bodyEdit

Propose merging Template:Infobox accounting body with Template:Infobox organization.
All accounting bodies are organisations. The more specific template, which has only 71 transclusions, has just one accounting-specific parameter, |IFAC_membership_date=, which even in the example in its documentation has a value of Not a member; the more general template has |affiliation=, which should suffice for IFAC members. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Neutral. the |students_num= would need merging over as it is used by at least one page. Also on that page |members_designations= is used but not found in the organisation template. |administering_organ= also needs merging. There are four (inc. one in the nom) specific parameters here and I am not sure that having 4 specific parameters is enough reason to merge these templates. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 08:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox UK featureEdit

Archaic markup and geographically-, rather then subject-, focussed. Used on a variety of articles, in each of which it could be replaced by a better, topic-specific templates such as {{Infobox lake}}, {{Infobox river}}, {{Infobox railway}}, {{Infobox park}}, {{Infobox landform}}, {{Infobox building}}, or {{Infobox museum}}. We don't have an equivalent 'feature' infobox for any other country. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

So are you seeking prior agreement before making these changes yourself, or what? Thincat (talk) 13:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Author I agree that there are some specific templates available but not for everything included. Most, if not all of those templates are too complicated for the average editor. I wanted something simple. I am picking away at the articles that use this and its usage is now below 500. I don't think that deleting it is really going to improve the articles. Twiceuponatime (talk) 14:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Aditya Birla GroupEdit

Unnecessary template for a few subsidiaries of a company Joseph2302 (talk) 23:30, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Keep FWIW, this template does not list these organisations and people:
  1. Aditya Birla Payments Bank
  2. Aditya Birla Capital
  3. Birla Sun Life Asset Management
  4. Aditya Birla Memorial Hospital
  5. Aditya Birla World Academy
  6. Aditya Birla Public School, Rehla
  7. Aditya Birla Intermediate College
  8. Grasim Bhiwani Textiles
  9. Rajashree Birla
  10. Ananya Birla
  11. Aryaman Birla
It also mistakenly adds Birla Corporation to its list. While related, it's not part of the ABG. Then there are all the brands that effectively come under subsidiaries of the AB group. These include Louis Philippe (brand), and so on. And frankly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. These are the subsidiaries of one of the subsidiaries of its subsidiary. IOW, this template can be improved upon.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 19:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 01:42, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep since there has been no response to the captain's remarks. Thincat (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox college swim teamEdit

Redundant to {{Infobox swim team}}, with which every instance should be replaced, before deletion. Only 17 transclusions.

A TfD four years ago was closed as "The result of the discussion was keep/don't merge. A Large Merge Proposal for all NCAA sports team templates is on the table, and a concrete proposal seems to be gestating, but isn't here yet. No prejudice to re-nomination...", but that proposal seems not to have been carried through, and the editor behind it is no longer active Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 06:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:16, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Better and broader template to use. --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:TracktesttemplateEdit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G2 by RHaworth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 11:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Unnecessary test template. No foreseeable transclusions. Jalen D. Folf (talk • contribs) 02:53, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi I as the sole contributor to the template, I have requested it to be speedy deleted. thank you! Viztor (talk) 05:59, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:Infobox_baronetageEdit

Propose merging Template:Infobox_baronetage with Template:Infobox_peerage_title.
The baronetage infobox seems to be entirely about a coat of arms (ie arms, crest, motto, supporters), but nothing about the baronetage itself. The peerage infobox has long been able to serve as an infobox for a baronetage; one simply uses the "baronetage" entry (eg Baronetage of England) instead of the peerage (eg Peerage of England). All the other details are basically the same - first holder, current holder, creation date, status, family seat, arms/motto etc. МандичкаYO 😜 02:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Olympic SailingEdit

Template:Infobox Olympic event exists for this very reason. No reason to have a specific template for just this one event. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:03, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Olympic CyclingEdit

Template:Infobox Olympic event exists for this very reason. No reason to have a specific template for just this one event. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:02, 17 November 2018 (UTC)