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Publish page retained

  Courtesy link: Draft:Qproperties I was creating a page recently and its about something everyone in Qatar has been knowing. The service took less than 3 months to be famous in the country since there was no service like it before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeskaay (talk • contribs) 09:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Eeskaay Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a specific question? Your draft was declined because it does not summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about this company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

So what can i do to make this page created because i might not be very familiar about the requirements and i respect the restrictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeskaay (talk • contribs) 09:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Eeskaay Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia; it is even harder for those that have a conflict of interest. I see you made a COI declaration, but you will need to make the stricter paid editing declaration(a Terms of Use requirement).
A Wikipedia article should only summarize what independent reliable sources say about your company with significant coverage, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company(please review). The one source you offer is not significant coverage; if no reliable sources have given your company significant coverage(this does not include staff interviews or press releases) it would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time and it won't matter how well you write it.
Please understand that Wikipedia is not for merely telling about a company. Wikipedia has no interest in aiding search results for your company. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much dear for this information let me find out if there is any source related to this company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeskaay (talk • contribs) 09:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, but I can't tell you if there are sources or not. If you are writing the draft, you need to find them yourself. In the meantime, please comply with WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
A friend asked me to create this page because he heard me editing in wikipedia. So this was an opportunity to create the page to see how my experience has got to create a page from the scratch by myself. I want to be pround of created a page of a famous service here in Qatar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeskaay (talk • contribs) 10:12, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
If you are truth not being paid in any way then your declaration of COI on your User page is sufficient. As for the draft, without references to published articles ABOUT the company, it will not quality for a Wikipedia article. This may just be WP:TOOSOON. Remember to sign your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 10:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Eeskaay (talk) 10:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC) So i cant edit the draft anymore now Eeskaay (talk) 11:35, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@Eeskaay: The submission has been declined, which means that it was not up to Wikipedia standards, but if the issues are addressed, could possibly be approved as a new article. It can still be edited. If it really took less than 3 months to be famous in the country since there was no service like it before, then you should be able to find it in reputable sources in Qatar, maybe a news article focused on the company. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

bad link in 2013 French Open Mixed Doubles

  Resolved
 – External link has been fixed. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

i found another bad link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_French_Open_%E2%80%93_Mixed_Doubles The link at the bottom of the page is for the 2009, not 2013, draw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Blair H (talk • contribs) 22:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Scott Blair H. I have updated the link.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

North American A-5 Vigilante

To the 4th paragraph in the current write up on the A3J Vigilante, I suggest adding the text material underlined here and reference the more detailed material XX: A historical incident that saved the A3J Vigilante fly-by-wire flight control system.

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Current write up:

The Vigilante had advanced and complex electronics when it first entered service. It had one of the first "fly-by-wire" systems on an operational aircraft (with mechanical/hydraulic backup) and a computerized AN/ASB-12 nav/attack system incorporating a head-up display ("Pilot's Projected Display Indicator" (PPDI), one of the first), multi-mode radar, radar-equipped inertial navigation system (REINS, based on technologies developed for North American's Navaho missile), closed-circuit television camera under the nose, and an early digital computer known as "Versatile Digital Analyzer" (VERDAN) to run it all. --BLSater (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)The “fly-by-wire” pitch flight control system was targeted for elimination in a weight-cutting effort. However before it could be eliminated, an incident occurred in a test flight that totally disabled the mechanical backup system, dooming the aircraft. When the pilot learned the electrical fly-by-wire system was still intact, he engaged it and regained full control of the airplane and safely returned to Columbus. (Reference XX)


Reference XX: A historical incident that saved the A3J Vigilante fly-by-wire flight control system

The A3J Vigilante was the first production aircraft with a fly-by-wire flight control system. In the mid-1950’s, I worked as an electrical engineer on the development of its auto-pilot and electrical flight control systems; this historical incident almost eliminated the fly-by-wire concept.

When North American Aviation proposed fly-by-wire flight control systems, the Navy was cautious and specified having a conventional mechanical system as a backup. Basically when the electrical system was engaged, the mechanical system would follow within a ‘slop-link’ that would lock-up for conventional mechanical control, whenever the electrical system was turned off.

After the first planes were assembled, they were overweight and North American was subjected to a $10,000 per pound penalty. Management reviewed every component and system for weight savings and made a decision to eliminate the electrical fly-by-wire flight control system for the pitch axis. I was instructed to issue the work-order to disable and remove the system on an airplane being readied for a flight test. However I was told that my work-order didn’t have a high enough priority to be done that day, and a few hours later the plane took off for a flight test. I decided to go to the control tower and listen in on the flight test. I don’t recall what was being flight tested that day. A number of engineers involved with the testing were in the control tower. Somewhere over West Virginia, the test pilot radioed that he heard an explosion in the rear that completely immobilized his cockpit stick for controlling pitch. He informed the control tower that he could not return to Columbus, but would look for a place to safely ditch the plane and eject.

There was there was pandemonium in the control tower. I requested to speak with the pilot. I asked if he was flying in the electrical mode and he said “No, I was told the system was disabled and removed.” I stated that it wasn’t done. He then turned the electrical control systems on and immediately regained full control of the pitch flight system and returned safely to Columbus.

The explosion was a ruptured high pressure tank that jammed a turnbuckle in the mechanical control system into a structural rib that the pilot could not break loose. However when the electrical system was turned on, the ‘slop link’ allowed enough stick movement to the electrical system to enable the force of 3000 psi hydraulic actuators controlling the horizontal stabilizers to break the mechanical system turnbuckle loose and obtain full control of the flight system. This incident and the test pilot’s praising report convinced management before that day was over that the benefits of having fly-by-wire flight control systems were worth more than the $10,000 per pound penalty they were trying to save.   Why was the pitch fly-by-wire control system targeted for weight savings?

Perhaps a reason that the pitch electrical system was targeted for weight savings was that it was actually two paralleled systems and there was a mechanical backup system. The Navy required a “fail-safe” fly-by-wire system, which in the most extreme case meant keeping the pilot and airplane fully safe in the event of any unknown or known system failure occurring during a high-speed low-altitude pass (i.e. “0.8 Mach speed at 50 feet over water”). To assure fail-safety, the electrical pitch system design incorporated two completely paralleled systems between the cockpit stick (input) to the (output) horizontal stabilizers (i.e. two stick position transducers, two sets of wiring, two electronics control boxes integrating all auto pilot and flight-reference signals, and two hydraulic actuators connected to the horizontal stabilizers). For fail-safety, a delta pressure switch would shut the electrical flight control system off and revert to mechanical control whenever hydraulic pressure differences within the two actuators controlling the horizontal stabilizers exceeded 50 psi in the 3000 psi hydraulic system.

Fortunately the fly-by-wire control systems survived the management’s weight-cutting effort.But a major 600 pound reduction came from eliminating the originally designed hydraulically-actuated speed-brake just ahead of the nose wheel. It was determined that the speed-brake function could be accomplished by popping all wing spoilers open at the same time and that was easily accomplished by simple electrical circuitry changes in the lateral fly-by-wire flight control system. Ironically, the fellow who suggested that weight-cutting idea (saving $6,000,000 in penalties) was laid off a few weeks later in a companywide reduction in force.

BLSater (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

BLSater Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place for this suggestion is the article talk page, Talk:North American A-5 Vigilante. Note that the whole URL is not necessary, just place the page name in double brackets. 331dot (talk) 16:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

List_of_messiah_claimants

Hello. I would like to be added to the list of Messiah claimants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AD5F:5100:6DCC:3552:3BF6:5F95 (talk) 15:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're notable enough to be included, someone will include you eventually. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
If independent reliable sources unaffiliated with you have reported on your claim to be the Messiah, you may discuss the matter on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, my name is Vanya Voyno. There's enough research material out there online. I'm available to discuss the subject, as a primary source. However, there are plenty of people who know me personally who will confirm me as a claimant.

I don't have a biography on Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean I don't exist.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎2605:a601:ad5f:5100:6dcc:3552:3bf6:5f95 (talk)

I don't doubt your existence. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. Primary sources and personal accounts are not acceptable for this. If you have independent reliable sources that discuss your claim, please offer them on the article talk page(Talk:List of messiah claimants) as an edit request. 331dot (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Curious. That's ironic. So, an individual claiming to be The Messiah is not a reliable source, it must be independently verified by a secondary source. Hmmm…I'll have to ponder this for a while. This does appear to be an ontological quandary. Then again, theology is the stuff of paradox. It is entirely possible that I do not know what I believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AD5F:5100:6DCC:3552:3BF6:5F95 (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

An independent source does not need to verify that you are the messiah, they only need to give coverage to your claim that you are the messiah. I don't know if you are or not, and it doesn't matter what I think- only what independent sources write. 331dot (talk) 15:57, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I can't help but observe that any real Messiah would have far better things to do in the world right now than worry about having a Wikipedia page mentioning them. But good quality, independent sources showing an individual as one of many legitimate claimants would certainly need to be supplied before anything were to be added here. I see quite a difference between being a claimant and being the Messiah. We could certainly do with some help from the latter, right now. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
There are zero Google hits on "Vanya Voyno" messiah. You definitely don't qualify for List of messiah claimants. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

A Google search qualifies as verification. Interesting. We are learning a lot today. How about a statement from a certified mental health professional, or does it need to be another independent source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AD5F:5100:6DCC:3552:3BF6:5F95 (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Be careful what you wish for, Nick.   —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:20, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
IP editor: How about you let us get back to our volunteer work here, as whatever you're doing is clearly out-of-scope for this page, project, etc.? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Unless the mental health professional evaluated you at the request of an uninvolved party, that would be meaningless. I would concur that unless you are prepared to offer independent reliable sources like news coverage of your claim, there is nothing more to discuss here. 331dot (talk) 16:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Entries should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people). People with no Google hits are not going to do that. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Okidokie. No worries. Not wishing for anything, Nick. There's no subterfuge. This has been going on since my birth. Later! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AD5F:5100:6DCC:3552:3BF6:5F95 (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Secret Messiah

Bruce Ellis Benson

Hi, I've made some changes to this entry. The old entry was out of date. Someone then undid those edits. I'm not sure why that happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermeneutician (talk • contribs) 18:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hermeneutician. You added unsourced material, and removed sourced material, as well as categories. (The fact that the sourced material was out of date does not necessarily mean that it should be removed). It would have been kinder if Sumanuil had left an edit summary or a message when they reverted your edit; but the proper action then was for you to begin a discussion on the article's talk page, not to apply your edit again: see WP:BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

add a new Author's biography to wikipedia.

Mr. Richard L. Rife has published three books on Amazon within the last three years and would now like to add his biography to this Site. I cannot find the form to fill out. Help! Thank you for your help!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoonLakehiker88 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

LoonLakehiker88 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is not a "form to fill out" and you thinking so leads me to think you have some misconceptions about what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about someone, for someone to tell about themselves(directly or through a representative) or a place to merely list people in a common field. This is an encyclopedia, which summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability; in this case, that of a notable author. Not every person merits an article here, even in the same field, it depends on the sources. Wikipedia much prefers articles to be written by independent editors; you have what we call a conflict of interest with this subject; if you are employed by Mr. Rife as his representative or agent, you are also a paid editor(compliance with that policy is a Terms of Use requirement of paid editors).
If you have reviewed the criteria and truly feel that this author meets the criteria, and have the sources to support it(which must be significant coverage by sources that have chosen on their own to write about Mr. Rife himself), you can create and submit a draft using Articles for Creation- but most in your position find this difficult to do. Also keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. You cannot lock it to the text you or Mr. Rife might prefer, or prevent others from editing it. Any information, good or bad, can go it an article about him as long as it appears in an independent source and is not defamatory. Please keep this in mind. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
(ec):There is a method for suggesting topics for new articles, but I won't point you to it as I doubt very much anyone would bother to attempt to write an article about Rife. He does not appear to be notable. Wikipedia is not here to publicize self-published authors. Meters (talk) 19:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

using RIS files for citations

Hello, I was wondering if there is a way to upload a .ris file while editing a page so that I don't have to go through the effort of creating a cite tag manually? If not, is there a way that one could contribute code that would do so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffoire66 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jeffoire66. I don't know of a way, but we do have tools that can generate references from the doi or pmd of a source or from a google book listing. See Help:Citation tools. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello

I am a newb on here and would like to create a page for my wife who is an Author, any advice? I have looked over the new article page and its a bit confusing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radiancelux (talk • contribs) 18:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Radiancelux Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I want to advise you that successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It is even harder for those with what we call a conflict of interest(please review), as you do with editing about your wife. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability; in this case, the definition of a notable artist. If you have reviewed the definition and truly feel your wife meets it, and have the coverage in independent sources to prove it, it may be possible for there to be an article about your wife- ideally, you shouldn't be the one to write it, but there are indirect ways you can do so if you truly feel you can do it in the manner required of Wikipedia. You may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft, but please review Your First Article first. You may also wish to use the new user tutorial and first edit existing articles in areas that interest you, so you learn how Wikipedia works. Also note that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable; there are good reasons to not want one. You can't prevent others from editing it or lock it to the text you might prefer. Any information, good or bad, can go in it as long as it appears in an independent reliable source and is not defamatory. 331dot (talk) 19:12, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
References to what she has written (books, blog) do not contribute to notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. What is required is reliable sources that have written ABOUT her. A quick search on her name (Kimberly Humphreys) found nothing that qualifies. David notMD (talk) 02:31, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Italicised titles

How do you italicise a page title? WDM10 (talk) 04:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

WDM10, you may want to have a look at WP:ITALICTITLE. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 04:17, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Thanks. Did I do it right (The Fan (rugby league))? WDM10 (talk) 04:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
WDM10, Perfectly accomplished. Well done! TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 04:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! WDM10 (talk) 04:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
WDM10, you sure did.   Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:49, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Pending edits in semi-protected page?

Hi. Any idea why the following edit didn't go live? [2] The page is semi-protected but my account is extended confirmed. Thanks, fgnievinski (talk) 04:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Fgnievinski, it must have been live until it was undone in this edit. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool thanks, I missed that! fgnievinski (talk) 06:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

What's the point of contributing?

Dear Wikipedia,

I regularly read Wikipedia and am a sometime modest donor. I recently made a contribution to the page of Sophie Gustafson, a golfer. It seems that it was completely ignored. Despite it being totally factual. Why bother? Regards, TKZZZ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TKZZZ (talk • contribs) 15:15, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

TKZZZ Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit to the article in question consisted of reference tags with nothing in between them, this appeared to be a nonconstructive edit. You mention a source in the edit summary, but the source needs to be in the article itself as a citation. Please see WP:CITE for information on how to cite sources. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, TKZZZ, and welcome to the Teahouse. Although you believed this edit of yours added useful information, I'm afraid you rather messed it up. (Easily done - so not to worry - and easily corrected, too). You unfortunately only added empty reference tags, and then only left a long explanation in the EDITSUMMARY. If you scroll down to see how your edit displayed, you'll see huge red lettering highlighting the error - so another editor reverted it to keep the page looking right. To be honest, had you even inserted the comment correctly, I'm not totally convinced that a 'table of results' would have been the right place for it. One thing you could have done was leave a comment and the source on the article's 'talk page' and allow other more confident users to insert it, as appropriate. But the only way to learn and improve is to try, and to ask, as you have done here. You asked "why bother?" - well the simple answer is that we welcome constructive edits from everyone, especially when supported by a reliable reference, and that's how we got to the point of having 6.037 million articles created by volunteers like you and me. The reality is that we can only accept well-constructed edits from everyone, and editors will inevitably revert poorly-constructed ones, no matter how well-meaning they are, as yours was. I am really sorry if your first edits here lead you to think editing Wikipedia is not worth doing; it really is. But they do have to be done well, I'm afraid. And there will not be one editor here who has never experienced an edit of theirs being undone for the best of reasons. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello TKZZZ, perhaps you can find some inspiration here:
And if you mean that your edit was reverted and you wonder why, consider asking the editor who reverted you. There are many possible reasons, some very good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Also, [3]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Reporting non-immediate spam-only accounts

I've come across an account that appears to exist only as a link-spam tool, but am not sure where to report it. WP:AIV says it should only be used for ongoing cases but the account hasn't edited in almost a month, and I haven't found anyplace appropriate after looking through the relevant guidelines and policies. Regardless, it is a spam-only account. What should be done in this case? Thtatithticth (talk) 08:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Thtatithticth, if that editor hasn't edited in almost a month then there is no need of blocking. Blocking is considered a last resort and only used as a last resort to stop vandalism that would go on in the very near future and cause immediate harm. WP:AIV states that "The warning(s) must have been given recently and there must be reasonable grounds to believe the user(s) will further disrupt the site in the immediate future." In this case, there is no need to block that user if he/she hasn't spammed in Wikipedia in the past 4 weeks. That's just my humble opinion, but I believe that there is no urgent need to block immediately. TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 08:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Book references

Hello! ^_^, I want to expand an article from German language (not a German fluent but understand with help of translator), and at least on the German Wiki, they cite the same book over and over again but citing different pages of the same book. They follow the rule of repeating it all, the ISBN, location, etc. How does it work here?, Isn't there a way to cite the book one time and then shorten it somehow? Hope to get across. Cheers! --CoryGlee (talk) 19:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

CoryGlee, Yes, you can cite it once, and then use Template:Rp to define a page. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
@CoryGlee: See U.S. Route 6 in Nevada#Major intersections for a live example. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
CoryGlee, personally, if I'm writing an article that cites the same book multiple times, I'd use {{Harvard}} templates (See ATP (British Rail) for a recent example) This is permitted per WP:CITEVAR, and in my opinion looks nicer than the ways of getting ref tags to do it. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 09:35, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Article deletion

Why were my articles deleted? There's nothing wrong with them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hordem de Barthen (talk • contribs)

Hordem de Barthen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Two of the articles you wrote were deleted under the speedy deletion criteria for short articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject, and another was deleted under the criteria for musical recordings where the artist lacks an article. If an administrator feels the article tagged for speedy deletion meets the criteria, they may delete it without delay or discussion.
If you were in the process of working on them, you may wish to create them as drafts using Articles for Creation; this would allow you to spend as much time as needed on them. When you directly create articles in the main encyclopedia, they are judged as articles, not drafts. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 & Notability

Does a death due to COVID-19 establish Notability? I've seen a few articles created where it basically goes "So-and-so was a (insert title/position) from (insert nationality). They died from COVID-19 on (insert date)." And that's all there is and the only citation is a link establishing their death. Snickers2686 (talk)

No, if the only "notable" thing about a subject is the cause of death, it clearly fails WP:BLP1E. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
It wouldn't; otherwise we'd have 11,900+ stub-class articles for each person who perished from the virus. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 17:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Aldhabi

Aldhabi is a serif font with no serifs in the numerals, with 443 characters, including 34 PUA. It is included with Windows 8.x. The author is John Hudson, born in 1967. How I can improvise this page? 190.245.110.199 (talk) 23:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)--

Hello, and thanks for coming to the Teahouse! Single fonts aren't generally considered notable, which means you probably can't make an article about this. The only articles we have on Wikipedia (from my two minutes of skimming) are about font families such as Liberation fonts. Hope this helps! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 23:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, IP user. In order for Draft:Aldhabi to be accepted as a Wikipedia article, it will need to demonstrate that the font is notable. In Wikipedia's sense of the word, this does not mean important, or significant, or popular: it means that several people, unconnected with Hudson or with Microsoft, have written at some length about the font, and been published in reliable places. --ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello people, I want to say that this font has published in October 2012. Please make the article. my talk, also I'm the 17th dork here
Volunteers here are to answer questions, not write articles. David notMD (talk) 02:35, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, but I need Aldhabi making help, and this takes over 4 days to complete. 17th dork —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Bot created content warning

I am looking for a template to use within a WikiProject to alert editors that a page's content is generated by a bot and thus, editors should not attempt to improve the page. No luck so far. Hope someone can short-circuit my search with knowledge they already have stored in gray matter. Something like {{Bot created content warning}}. It must exist. I just can't find the right name or content searching...yet. —¿philoserf? (talk) 22:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Philoserf: if a page was created by a bot (or any other type of incompetent editor), that seems like a reason for encouraging other editors to improve it. Why would you want to stop them? Maybe if you gave a link to the page in question, your request would make more sense. Maproom (talk) 22:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The page is a report. I need something on the talk page of that report. It is not unlike editing a category page directly instead of changing the categorization of the page in that category. —¿philoserf? (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Philoserf: Please give a link. Always be specific, never rely on vague descriptions which could have many different circumstances. Some pages in project space are automatically updated by a bot which will overwrite any manual changes at the next update. An example is Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/AIDS articles by quality log which displays {{Log}}. I don't know whether this would be suitable for your secret page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I was intentionally not specific. That said, the specific page I haver to protect right now is a Popular pages report as created by User:Community_Tech_bot. —¿philoserf? (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Philoserf: That is not specific. We have 50 million pages and I explicitly asked for a link. The edit notice for this page also says: "Help us to help you: Give the full title or URL of any page you're asking about". The only related page in the last 1000 edits by the bot appears to be User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages. It already says: "Please do not edit this page. All edits will be overwritten the next time bot updates this page." It links to hundreds of other pages. I examined the first Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Popular pages. Notice how I helpfully linked the page I refer to! It has the source comment "Changes made below this line will be overwritten on the next update". I don't know whether your still secret page omits this, or you think it's too little, or whatever. I'm done spending time on this. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you @PrimeHunter: I wasn't asking for help about a page. I was asking for help finding a template I assumed existed. I would then use that template where it was appropriate and required. I appreciate your effort as well as the effort of Maproom. I am learning everyday. And every comment helps me understand this community. I have successfully negotiated with the, based on edit history, much more experienced editor that was editing below the ”Changes below this line” and changing WikiProject categories in a manner inconsistent with our project guidance. So, for me, all in all, a very good day. —¿philoserf? (talk) 02:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
@Philoserf: You have still not learned what you need to learn: Give the full title or URL of any page you're asking about. In a few seconds to write [[pagename]] you could have saved me and maybe others a lot of time, and also helped yourself by getting faster and better replies. I could write for hours about why the page is usually important but please just try to trust me as someone with 20,000+ edits to Wikipedia help pages. If you ask a question because of something you encountered on a page then the page usually matters to the helpers, even if you think the question is so general that the page is irrelevant. After finally learning it's about Wikipedia:WikiProject Backpacking/Popular pages (which you still haven't linked!), I could check the page will likely be overwritten by the bot (posters often make false assumptions), I could see the changes by the other editor don't mean the bot did something bad which should be fixed, I could see the source comment, I could see that {{Log}} is not a perfect match, I might contact the bot operator and ask them to leave a visible note or a new template I might create, and so on. We are building an encyclopedia together and helpers often do more than just answer a question. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:10, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Philoserf - Perhaps you have been trying too hard to be helpful in solving a general problem, and as a result you were just causing confusion. When someone repeatedly asks you to be specific, please be specific, or apologize for wasting everyone's time. I know that you meant well, but you didn't help. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Hydrogen peroxide

If hydrogen peroxide is a know virus killer can it be used to coronavirus?? Can it be absorbed by the skin along with DMSO?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8a:8100:b2a0:c0b4:17ae:305a:2130 (talk)

We cannot give you medical advice- this board is to ask questions about using Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 19:35, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
The Science Reference Desk might be able to give you a more detailed non-answer, such as referring you to Wikipedia articles that do not give medical advice, or referring you to web sites. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:35, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

How to Change Article Title in Draft Mode

I'm drafting an article and need to modify the title before I submit it. How do I do this? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Major Major 26 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Major Major 26, and welcome to the Teahouse. You change the name of an article by moving it; but your account is too new to have that right: you'll be able to do it once your account is four days old. In the meantime, if you are concerned, you can make a requested move; but my suggestion is that you don't worry about it. When you submit your draft for review, the reviewer who accepts it will move it to the most appropriate name in mainspace. --ColinFine (talk) 16:45, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine. I'll try that once the window opens.Major Major 26 (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Major Major 26 - I've renamed it to Draft:Rendezvous (2019 film), because the title that you had given was too detailed. You have not submitted your draft for review yet. When you submit it for review, you can include a comment about the title. On or after 23 March, you will be able to move it. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

That's perfect. Exactly what I was trying to do. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Major Major 26 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Is the article I want to create notable?

I’d like to create an article about the murder of Emma Walker but I’m not exactly sure it’s enough notable to stay on Wikipedia. Her case got a lot of attention in 2018 when it was shared by ABC in Dateline. I noticed neither Emma nor her murder have a Wikipedia article and I’m willing to bring her history into Wikipedia because I’m aware it’s a very good platform for people who want to learn and increase their world knowledge. The question is, the article of her murder will be enough notable to stay on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maricmmenezes (talk • contribs) 18:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Maricmmenezes - Please sign your posts by putting four tildes at the end, as in ~~~~ .
If the murder was covered as a segment on Dateline, that would seem to be notable. If it was only mentioned in passing, that probably would not be enough. Why don't you create Draft:Murder of Emma Walker with Dateline as a reliable source and any other sources that you can find, and submit it for review? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Category discussion appeals?

I know there are deletion discussion appeals (I don't remember the correct term, though). Is there anything similar for category discussions? I'm a bit worried because a category discussion was closed in what I thought was early, when some concerning points still hadn't been addressed and there didn't seem to be consensus yet. And the subsequent changes seemed to mess a lot with art subcategories on Wikipedia (articles of which I tend to edit on Wikipedia).

I personally don't know enough about making categories on Wikipedia, but I see a large gap in ways to categorize non-visual fine art, and I'm concerned about it. I'm not really sure where to go next -- It seems like it would be rude and probably against guidelines to just open a category discussion about the same sub-categories that were already discussed, but I do think some larger discussion needs to take place. So I'm unsure what to do or where to go for that.

Just for more context, I already talked to the closing admin. And the discussion is archived here. I didn't want to make this message too long so I left out some details, but if I need to clarify anything, please feel free to ask. Whisperjanes (talk) 17:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Whisperjanes. In general, you can follow WP:CLOSECHALLENGE for any discussion that's formally closed, but in some cases that might not be necessary if it was a simple an article talk page discussion, etc. WP:CFD is like any other WP:XFD discussion in that it most likely was formally closed in someway; so, the first thing to do would probably to query the editor who closed the discussion like you seem to have done and explain whatever concerns you may have. If that resolves things, then great; if not, then there are other steps you can take to seek wider input on a close. Now if you decide to take things to the next level, you should be careful as to how you phrase things and stick to explaining how you feel the close was not in accordance with relevant policies or guidelines in someway. Try to remain civil because you start taking shots at individual editors and turn the discussion into a WP:BATTLEGROUND, there's a greater chance that others will start firing back at you regardless of whether you're in the right. In other words, if you try to hard too WP:WIN, the chance of you losing not only the battle itself, but perhaps also the war increase. Try to think big picture in that the way you interact with others may leave an impression that will remain with them long after this particular discussion has ended. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Marchjuly! I really appreciate the advice about phrasing. I want to be as respectful as possible. Under WP:CLOSECHALLENGE, would category discussion challenges happen under "Move Review" then? It looks that way, but I don't think of category changes as "moves" necessarily, so I just wanted to confirm. Whisperjanes (talk) 15:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I think it you generally follow what's written on the particular page and replace words like "deletion", "move", etc. with "category", you should be able to figure out a good way to try and resolve this. Perhaps re-approach the closing admin and politely explain that you still have concerns and ask them what your options are. As long as you're civil and don't accuse the admin of doing anything wrong, they shouldn't get offended. You could also try asking for advice at WP:AN since that's where your likely going to find other admins. If you do that though you might want to let the closing admin know about the discussion as a courtesy since it's probably better for them to directly here about it from you than being pinged into the discussion by someone else. Anyway, at some point, you might just have to accept the consensus for what it is per WP:DTS and move on to other things. There's no real way to WP:WIN a discussion like this; you make your case the best way you can, but need to be willing to accept and understand that the community may simply just disagree with you. If multiple admins are telling you that the close was correct and you persist in saying it's not, you're going to be seen as moving into WP:IDHT territory which is going to make others want to discuss things with you even less. A consensus may change over time, but you may first have to be willing to let some time pass before trying to see if it has. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Whisperjanes, User:Marchjuly - The procedure for challenging the close on a Categories for Discussion is, like any other Deletion Discussion, at Deletion Review. I cannot recall seeing a Category discussion reviewed at Deletion Review, but that is where it would be reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

How to deal with editors messing up my edits (probably accidentally)?

Yesterday, I was working on 4 articles about 4 new Nokia phones which were announced on Thursday. They were:

  • Nokia 8.3 5G (accepted)
  • Nokia 5.3 (accepted)
  • Nokia 5310 (2020) (started work on the draft by copying from the Nokia 1.3 draft and was going to alter irrelevant portions)
  • Nokia 1.3 (Not accepted by Sulfurboy on first review as I didn’t add any citations from reliable sites (besides nokia.com and gsmarena), not accepted by Robert McClenon on second try as someone else already made the same article)

My problem is that if you compare my draft (Draft:Nokia 1.3) and Nokia 1.3 by user:Ghostofakina, you can see that they have exactly the same content, though that user hasn’t informed me that he/she had copied my draft. What’s more, it turns out that he/she had cut info from the wrong draft (Draft:Nokia 5310 (2020)) (which I’ve undone). So, would a simple message on his/her talk page be enough to inform the user about his/her mistakes?RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 07:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey! I see that the user copied your draft article almost literally to Nokia 1.3. While copying from one article to another is allowed, the user did not give you proper attribution. I have notified the user that they should do so in the future. In addition, I gave you attribution on Talk:Nokia 1.3 and I made this "dummy edit" where I noted that the copying happened in the edit summary. This way, you are attributed for your edits.
You do not need to notify the user about copying within Wikipedia, as I did so already. However, you are free to inform them via their talk page about the fact that they made a mistake when copying. --MrClog (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Anchor on external link

I linked to a external page as reference. But how I do show exactly which part of the webpage I want to reference, for example a line or paragraph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santoshsatvik (talk • contribs) 15:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

@Santoshsatvik: If it's a really long page, it often has links to sections (like this page's tables of contents) from which you can copy the links. For example, this section is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Anchor_on_external_link . You could also use the |quote= parameter in the {{Citation}} template (or whichever cite template you are using) to quote a short piece of the specific content you are referencing. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:49, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

is this person notable enough to start an article

Wanting to know if this person: Dimitri Likissas, a Belgian painter, b1969 is notable enough to have an article written, and who would be willing to take this on? He is an artist that has been mentioned on Forbes online and some other magazines.

He is listed on http://www.artnet.com/artists/dimitri-likissas/ https://www.widewalls.ch/artist/dimitri-likissas/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/felicitycarter/2018/06/20/pop-artist-dimitri-likissas-exhibits-at-guy-hepner-gallery/ https://www.fusedmagazine.co.uk/dimitri-likissas-pointillism-revisited/ https://www.fayscontrol.gr/the-pop-evolution-sti-mykono/ https://createmagazine.com/read/pointillism-revisited-interview-with-dimitri-likissas https://menafn.com/1099310195/Dimitri-Likissas-The-previously-unheard-of-artist-painter-who-is-capturing-America https://www.upscalelivingmag.com/art-exhibition-pointillism-revisited-dimitri-likissas-guy-hepner-gallery/


Has gallery representation in the USA: https://guyhepner.com/artist/dimitri-likissas-paintings/paintings-dimitri-likissas/ http://www.bivinsgallery.com/artists/dimitri-likissas/featured-works?view=thumbnails https://www.thetaxcollection.com/dimitri-likissas https://www.kahn-gallery.com/dimitri-likissas https://www.mamushgallery.com/artists/dimitri-likissas https://imitatemodern.com/dimitri-likissas/ https://www.samuelowengallery.com/artist/Dimitri_Likissas/works/2888 https://skoufamykonos.gr/en/works-details/artists-en/likissas-dimitri/likissas-dimitri-1632 https://www.krausegallery.com/archives?lightbox=dataItem-jyt57tl91


and other galleries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.190.97.17 (talk) 18:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

You might add him at WP:REQ. Note that you have to use list markup to make a list (all your links above are run together in one line). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel

  • attempted repair, not familiar with this topic.

T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 18:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

@T3g5JZ50GLq: Please discuss improvements to an article at its talk page (in this case, Talk:Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel). If the talk page is not watched by many, post a link to the talk page post at relevant Wikiprojects (like maybe WP:WikiProject United States Government). In this case, since the article has not been adopted by any, you'll need to hunt around, maybe by looking for similar articles and seeing which projects they are in. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Trying to finish my "Lucien Thévet" page

Never having posted anything to Wikipedia before, I'm finding the experience rather daunting and frustrating. Having read your instructions about how to post photos, I've tried numerous times to post the file "Selmer Thévet model horn" at my footnote no. 13, but all I see is a box showing the name of the file but not the photo. It's my own photo from 2014, so there are no copyright issues. Also, while the layout in the draft mode is fine, when I click on "Publish this," some of the formatting goes askew: At Mozart: Concerto for Horn no. 3, the two recordings should be listed together, one beneath the other. followed beneath them by the two Divertimenti, the Serenade, and the Funeral Ode. But that's not what one sees. And, under "Pedagogical Works," nos. 1 and 6 have line breaks where there shouldn't be any. Can somebody fix this (or tell me how to do so)? Just referring me to the rather confusing Noticeboards is not helpful! Corniste6367 (talk) 22:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I have now edited my page, based on helpful comments from Theroadislong, to make it "more neutral and encyclopedic," but my questions about fixing bad formatting and getting a picture to appear where I'm trying to load it were not addressed. Corniste6367 (talk) 22:49, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi, Corniste6367. You had omitted the '.jpg' from the filename - filenames must match precisely (including punctuation and case). I have corrected it. Before you submit your draft, as well as taking note of the comments from Theroadislong, please have a look at the MOS:LAYOUT. --ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
And for laying out the discography, you need to use either lists or tables. --ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
@Corniste6367: You have also made the mistake of trying to indent or space text with strings of spaces - these simply won't work, and I've done a hasty tidy up of part of your draft. There looks to be too much detail in some places and far to many uncited statements, full of superlatives. Do try to tone this down - it's an encyclopaedia, not a CV. Use the hash symbol at the start of a new line to create a numebred list - don't try to force your own indenting, and do use 'Preview' before you attempt to save and publish your edits. Of course, if you make a mess, you can always 'undo' your last edit via the View History tab. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Dr. John Immanuel Knudson

I am Dr. Knudson's Great grandnephew. Trying to determine, before entering this learning curve, if this individual falls within the "notable" parameters of Wikipedia. He was notable enough to make the edition of WHO'S WHO IN AMERICA - 1942

That reference is: WHO'S WHO IN AMERICA - A Biographical Dictionary of Notable Living Men and Women of the United States, Vol. 22, 1942-1943, Albert Nelson Marquis - Editor Emeritus. Copyright 1942, The A.N. Marquis Company.

Page 1277, Record for John Immanuel Knudson

Transcription is: KNUDSON, John Immanuel, history and economics; b. Ruthven, Ia., Dec. 14, 1888; s. Christian and Mary (Mallenberg*) K.; A.B., U. of Chicago, 1919, A.M., 1920; student Indiana U., 1926-27; D.Sc. of Politics, U. of Geneva, 1928; unmarried. Prof. history and economics, Broadview Coll., La Grange, Ill., 1920-22; asso. prof. history, Franklin (Ind.) Coll., 1922-24, prof., 1924-26; prof. history and polit. science, William Jewell Coll., Liberty, Mo., 1928-29; asst. prof. history and economics, Brooklyn Poly. Inst., 1929-32, Charles S. Baylis prof. and head of dept. since 1932; Carnegie teaching fellow in internat. law, at Geneva, 1927-28. Decorated Chevalier Legion of Honor (France), 1935; elected to Academic Diplomatique Internationale (France), 1939. Chmn. dept. of history and polit. science, Brooklyn Inst. Arts and Sciences; chmn. exec. com. Brooklyn Foreign Affairs Forum; pres. Greater New York League of Nations Assn.; mem. exec. com. and dir. League of Nations Assn. (national); chmn. Advisory Council Pan-American League. Mem. Am. Soc. Internat. Law, Acad. Polit. Science, Am. Acad. Polit. and Social Science, Lambda Chi Alpha, Theta Alpha Phi, Pi Kappa Delta. Author: Methods of International Legislation (with reference to the League of Nations), 1928; A History of the League of Nations, 1938, (monograph) Reduction of Armaments by International Agreement (with W. E. Stephens), 1933. Writer and lecturer on internat. affairs. Home: 36 Sidney Pl. Address: 99 Livingston St., Brooklyn, N.Y.

<asterick>Mallenberg should read Malmberg (This is MY edit showing a published misspelling)

Additionally, a published author.

Additionally, many articles about him in The New York Times, The Miami News (Miami, Florida), etc. He has a sponsored page on findagrave.com and his official genealogy is located on the tree entitled, "The Goods, The Bads, and The Uglies" on ancestry.com

Additionally, I have listed him on the List of Légion d'honneur recipients by name (K)

Is this person notable enough for Wikipedia and for me to spend precious time reading, learning, writing, and editing about?

Thank you and Regards, Robert F. Stevenson IIBstevenson1960 (talk) 21:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC)}

Bstevenson1960 very likely WP:NOTABLE. Please provide links for as many of those articles as you can here, and I would be happy to get the article started for you. Or you can try it. --David Tornheim (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Bstevenson1960. It sounds like this person very much meets our notability criteria (at Wikipedia:Notability (people)). This would be based upon an entry in a formally published 'who's who' which also indicates the Legion d'Honneur was awarded to them, and that they held a professorial role. Because you do have an obvious 'Conflict of Interest in writing about your relative (which is nothing to be ashamed of, I might add), my advice is as follows:
  • First, add a conflict of interest notice on your talk page to show open/honest editing (see WP:COI for how to do this);
  • Create the article as a draft and submit it for review by independent experienced editors. We have a wizard to help you do this at this link: WP:YFA.
  • Collate all the independent, reliable sources together and only add to the draft statements that others can verify from those sources;
  • Ignore user-created content such as ancestry.com etc as these aren't deemed 'reliable' (though you could add a link in 'External links')
  • Definitely leave out everything you personally know about him, and only include what published sources have stated.
  • When reasonably complete, submit the draft for review;
  • Come back and seek further guidance from us any time you need assistance - that's what we're here for.#
  • But maybe read Wikipedia:Your First Article to give you some background on how to begin.
Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you all. He died before I was born so I only know hearsay which I would never state as fact, however I will add the COI and will be fully transparent as suggested. I only desire submit the obvious as shown by reliable published sources I have uncovered. I am currently in your training online so I will attempt this on my own, mother nature has apparently provided me with the time. Bstevenson1960 (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Image copyright violation

An editor uploaded two images and claimed to own them. The two images clearly have a copyright and could have easily been copied online. Without evidence of ownership, I would like someone who has more experience with image copyright experience to review them. What do I do to flag them? I spent about 10 minutes looking over the documentation regarding copytights, and it is overwhelming, and it's not clear to me what simple step I can do to report something like this without memorizing every possible kind of copyright violation and how to deal with each differently. I wish there was a board where I could just post: "I think this might be a copyright violation. Can someone experienced take a look?" Is there such a place? If you respond, please ping me. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:42, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Could you provide links to the images so we can better advise you? Generally, these are issues managed on Wikimedia Commons, but I appreciate you want to know the best way to tag images if you have concerns. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
@David Tornheim: c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:35, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. Looks like someone already took care of it. [4],[5]. I will keep your advice in mind for future copyright concerns. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Citation format

Is there a preferred reference format for citations at Wikipedia?

In my first few edits, I just used the web address as the citation. I see that other editors have used a more academic style format for their citations. Please advise.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:C900:8B90:E109:30AE:4D43:B418 (talk) 20:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome the Teahouse, IP editor. Just using a simple url is called a BAREURL, and we really ask everyone to go the slightly extra distance and add the full details of the citation. There is a simple 'cite' template you can use to help you add this detail. I have written a helpful guide about adding citations. See WP:EASYREFBEGIN for more help on this. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 21:40, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • When editing, there is an option when you are adding to the page that says "Cite" and has a quotation mark (") in front of it. Click on that and paste the webpage for an automatically generated reference. Way easier than doing it all by hand. --David Tornheim (talk) 21:42, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Note, though, that cites generated by automated tools are often missing information like the date or author. In some cases, like those from The Times of India, they have bad values in some fields. Please confirm/expand the information as needed when using them. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:C900:8B90:E109:30AE:4D43:B418 (talk) 03:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

How to Edit Only Articles Using Visual Editor?

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia and would like to familiarize myself through editing articles I believe I can enhance.

I already edited a few using the Visual Editor but others do not have this option.

Is there a way that I can switch all articles to Visual Editor mode?

Thanks for your help.

Roulam221 (talk) 08:29, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Roulam221 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not very familiar with the visual editor(so you may want to wait for the advice of others), but it sounds to me as if it is not working on only certain articles, that those articles are protected from editing(which would be the case regardless of using visual editor or not). In those cases, you will need to make an edit request on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Expected Standard For Articles Translated From Other Language Wikipedias

My draft article Gertrud Herzog-Hauser was not accepted on the basis that it didn't have enough references and wasn't written in an encyclopedic enough tone. I'm aware that the article in its current form isn't perfect. It's a copy of the article from the German Wikipedia, including lack of references and tone. I felt that a copy of the article in English would be a good starting point for those who are more knowledgeable in the field to expand upon. Are articles expected to be of very high quality before they are published for the first time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RisingMaverick (talk • contribs) 04:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia has different standards for referencing and tone. Before you resubmit you should attempt to find references for the paragraphs which currently have none. It would be nice but not necessary that the references be in English. David notMD (talk) 09:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Sources

Hello I am a new editor in wikipedia and like many others I also have problem in sources and it is really hard to distinguish reliable sources from unreliable ones. So can you help me in this part or give me some examples of reliable sources, those whom Wikipedia accept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idrees Pazhwak (talk • contribs) 06:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Idrees Pazhwak Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for wanting to contribute. In general, a reliable source(please read) is any source with a reputation of editorial control and fact checking. This means that something like a blog would not generally be acceptable, as blog writers typically post directly to their blog without review by an editor in chief or other party, and without doublechecking facts. Most news organizations are considered reliable sources, but not all. The UK Daily Mail is not generally considered a reliable source, for example. You may find it helpful to go over this list of potential sources to see which ones are generally considered to be acceptable(or not acceptable) and the reasons for that opinion. If you need help in determining whether or not a source is a reliable source, you may visit the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. 331dot (talk) 08:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

You have created a draft that was declined Draft:Mawlana Ataullah Faizani. Separate from this, there is an existing article about the same person: Muhammad Atta-ullah Faizani. I suggest you abandon your draft and work on improving the existing article. David notMD (talk) 09:47, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Patrols

Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia but want to help by joining an edits patrol. Which patrol is best for a new user and how do I join it? Thanks --Whitewell (talk) 09:33, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Whitewell, welcome to Wikipedia! If you'd like to start by patrolling for bad edits and/or vandalism, you might want to check out Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol or Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit. There is no special procedure and involves no kind of "signing-up", so you may start patrolling Special:RecentChanges as soon as you like and perhaps tick the boxes "Bad-faith edits" and the like. If you'd like to deal with vandalism, though, you might want to check out Wikipedia:Vandalism and/or Wikipedia:VANDNOT. These might help you embark on the special adventure of vandal-fighting. After all, I also started this way! If you become interested in this, you might want to check out WP:Twinkle. You can't activate this yet, but should be able to do so once you hit 10 edits (3 to go) and your account is 96 hours old (2 hours to go). Anyway, thanks for joining Wikipedia and wanting to fight vandalism! TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 09:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
@Whitewell: Thanks for jumping in! I've left a welcome message at User talk:Whitewell with some helpful information for new users. You might also want to check out The Wikipedia Adventure for some basics. Note that there are some things that are somewhat different about our Manual of Style compared to other sites, newspapers, and institutions, so try not to correct those types of things until you become familiar with it. Another thing to remember is that this (English) Wikipedia's audience uses a variety of different date formats and varieties of English. Because of this, we have guidelines like MOS:RETAIN, so please be careful about those types of changes as well. Again, welcome! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I would like to write an article about real estate agents in Lanaudière and I get Deleated

here is what I write. Is there any way I may publish it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthieu Pepin (talk • contribs) 14:52, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia, you should try the French one perhaps? Theroadislong (talk) 15:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Courtier Lanaudière

Article text

Matthieu cumule plusieurs années d’expérience dans le milieu de la vente et comme chargé de projets. Il a complété sa formation en courtage immobilier résidentiel au Collège de l’Immobilier du Québec. Croyant dans l’importance des détails, et dans l’écoute, il se fait un plaisir de communiquer son expertise afin de répondre sans faille à la tâche qui lui est donnée, défendre vos intérêts. Il aime sortir des sentiers battus, et donne un service personnalisé à chacun de ses clients. Il offre des solutions simples pour créer l’effet ‘’WOW’’ lors d’une mise en marché. Il est le négociateur qui saura faire valoir les demandes de ses clients tout en étant éthique et authentique.

Il désire rendre les gens à l’aise dans le processus de vente et d’achat et partager au maximum mes connaissances acquises en tant que courtier afin de donner le plus de pouvoir possible à mes clients. Œuvrant au sein de la bannière RE/MAX du Cartier à Montréal, Matthieu courtier immobilier, s’est découvert un amour profond pour la région de Lanaudière. L’appel des vallons et des rivières, l’ont poussé à s’y installer et à y pratiquer sa passion ; le courtage immobilier. Il se donne comme mandat d’accompagner les vendeurs et acheteurs dans leurs objectifs immobiliers tout en respectant leurs désirs et budgets. Tout débute par l’écoute ! Connecté au marché et aux nouvelles tendances, il donne l’heure juste et est outillés pour négocier à l’avantage de ses clients. Ayant l’œil artistique et critique, il vous fera remarquer les éléments qui font d’une propriété ce qu’elle est réellement. Son instinct relationnel saura vous charmer. Pour une transaction sécuritaire et de bons conseils, profitez de son expertise.


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  1. REDIRECT [[http://courtierlanaudiere.com

Photo de Matthieu Pepin

 
Matthieu Pepin Courtier Immobilier Lanaudière

References

  1. ^ http://courtierlanaudiere.com
First of all, Matthieu Pepin, this is the English Wikipedia. You may want to try the French Wikipedia. Second, please understand you're writing for an encyclopedia and as such a promotional blurb like this would not be accepted. Third, writing content about yourself is strongly discouraged and at the very least you would need to declare a conflict of interest. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:43, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

How do i make an article

I wanted to find an article about something but i couldnt find one, so i made an account to make it myself, but now i dont know how to actually make an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlie Charlieson (talk • contribs) 12:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Charlie, welcome to Wikipedia! If you have confirmed that your topic is considered notable under Wikipedia standards and that you have enough reliable sources to cite in the article, you can create a draft via the Article Wizard. Feel free to follow the Wikipedia tutorial first to learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. Good luck! Best, MrClog (talk) 12:44, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
See your Talk page for a link to the Article Wizard. Be aware that creating a new article is one of the hardests tasks at Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 17:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

need help in removing speedy deletion tag

Hello, i tagged a number of articles for speedy deletion but now i want to untag them. Can simple removing the tag from the articles do it?Lightbluerain (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, removing the tags cancels the request for speedy deletion. --MrClog (talk) 17:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Peters (revolutionary)

Hello

In regards to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Peters_(revolutionary)

The picture used for Thomas Peters is the same picture used for Ignatius Sancho. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Sancho. From the Ignatius Sancho page (along with Olaudah Equiano page), the picture is in dispute. The dispute is not mentioned on the Thomas Peter's page. Can this be done for the Thomas Peters' page as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.18.55 (talk) 17:44, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

It is noted on the Thomas Peters talk page. The portrait is not Thomas Peters, according to the source it was taken from. [[6]] Here's the image incorrectly named. [[7]]. I'm removing it from the article.TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 17:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to True story, please help -notability+have the company listed on wikipedia

Hi guys I publish, translate and edit articles at wikipeda at other languages as well as I created particular nickname for german Wikipedia and started to translate,edit and publish at Japanese planning for other fruitfukl languges. The purpose of it is to go through nobilitasion at Wikipedia and having the company listed on Wikipedia. I want to achieve this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkshire_Hathaway and this profile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett or at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulczyk_Investments and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Kulczyk

I can provide you the my main website with my projects, subsidiaries, translation and abroad expansions.www.spacebezos.webnode.com

Please help as the articles at google and other websites are very ambiguous and time-consuming and coping with that younger poker players have their own profiles at Wikipedia

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzmitry_Urbanovich — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketmanplus (talk • contribs) 16:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I found another article about the nobility -->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/ I think there are more than one I cant concentrate only of nobility here as the coctail of idea which I created and copying myself and shaming the top richest 5 with their own subsidiaries and lots of ideas I diversify my portfolio as well but obviously observing Urbanovich achievement of Wikipedia whom is younger than me and the achievements of other poker players [Dominik Panka] or probably other younger people who may have profile mobilize to finish this as the prioritaire as after that I could fully concentrate on other projects (rocket and spacecraft engineering) .

[{rocketmanplus}] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketmanplus (talk • contribs) 18:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Your wanting an article about you does not in itself make you notable. Articles that exist in other-language Wikipedia may not meet English-language requirements. Your attempts have resulted in Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Edits get lost by the Back button

When I start editing an article, visit another web page in the same tab, then use the Back button to return to my edits, my edits are gone -- I see the previous state of the page.

This behavior is new. Until a week or so ago, I would routinely visit another page, then use Back to return to my incomplete edits. I really liked that functionality. I don't believe I've changed any settings.

Is this a change in Wikipedia (different HTTP cache-control header, perhaps?), a change in Chrome (I am using version 80.0.3987.149 on Windows 10), or something else? Is there some way I can return to the previous behavior? --Macrakis (talk) 16:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@Macrakis: this would be controlled by your browser and whether or not it remembers the contents of the edit box when you change pages. I suggest you visit new pages in a new window or tab instead, RudolfRed (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: A quick test suggests that this is not a browser issue. I created the following HTML page:
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page">Go to WP</a>
  <form>
    <textarea> </textarea>
  </form>
</html>
navigated to it, entered something in the form, clicked on Go to WP, then hit Back, and the textarea content was still there.
But if I do the same thing with, say, my Sandbox page, the textbox content is reset. So it does seem to be a Wikipedia issue, not a browser issue.
Ideas on what it could be? Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 20:39, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
@Macrakis: No, I don't know. Try asking at WP:VPT where you can get help with technical issues. (edit to fix typo, oops!) RudolfRed (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: Thanks, I'll do that (I think you meant WP:VP). I have a lot of content edits under my belt, but am not so familiar with the WP space! --Macrakis (talk) 21:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Genealogy, hereditary titles and such like

Hello.

This has actually been a long time coming.

I don't want to make it seem as though anyone has ever been nasty about any of this - people have only ever been polite to me on Wikipedia - but I have nevertheless noticed what appears to me to be a definite aversion to genealogy, hereditary titles and such like on the part of some editors on here.

In addition, once we're dealing with Sir Winston Churchill, everybody seems to be willing to bite their tongues as far as their social egalitarianism goes, but once it's someone that holds a title in either Fa'amatai or the Nigerian Chieftaincy (the latter of which I felt the need to create the page about due to exasperation at these events), different rules are said to apply. Sir Winston gets referred to as Sir Winston in the lead section, but the other person does not... And when you insist that the Wikipedia convention governing styles and titles actually allows for you to refer to a Nigerian chief as Chief Susanne in her lead section, it's implied that the wording of the said convention specifically refers to "Baronets and Knights".

As for genealogy, that's even worse... Something that happened hundreds of years ago is inconsequential on a Wikipedia page for a given modern person. Here too, the policy appears to be selectively applied... A friend was just telling me that he had had running disagreements with certain editors about his attempts to include a person's descent, membership of the First Families of Virginia, all of it... I then pointed out to him that that supposed policy doesn't make sense when Edith Bolling's Wikipedia page is examined in light of its provisions. Why is her case different?

I have always felt that verifiability should be Wikipedia's watchword in matters such as these. If I can provide proof of my assertions, then they should be just as valid as any other - provided that said proof holds up to independent scrutiny.

In the short term, I'd just like to hear what everybody else thinks on this matter. In the long one, I have some proposals to make:

1) That an official decision be made concerning legally recognized titles and styles that exist outside of the European aristocratic traditions. Are they to be treated in the same manner as similar European ones - in which case Michelle Yeoh's page's lead section needs to be seen to - or are they to be covered by an entirely different methodology?

2) That it be decided whether or not Wikipedia is indeed a safe space for proper genealogists, heraldists and the like. What is the policy concerning Ancestry.com? Can it be cited, or is it the consensus that it's a "chimera" (as someone was kind enough to tell me once)?

3) That a concerted effort be made by all of us to produce quality pages about the forms of genealogy, heraldry and such like that exist in other cultures. I know that there are already pages on things like Maori genealogy and Kamon, but I think that some people still don't quite understand that many ethnic cultures typically consider such things to still be vital.

Thank you for your time and any responses that you offer.

Yours sincerely,

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.

O.ominirabluejack, hello!
  1. Clarifications on this are best sought at the talk page of the relevant content guideline; Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography looks like a suitable place to me, if you know of a better one, by all means. When you get the general idea of the relevant issues involved with the matter, you can create an RFC to solicit broader input which could make an "official decision" on what, if anythig, to do about it.
  2. See WP:ANCESTRY.COM and the discussions linked from there. If you think you can change people's minds on this by providing counterarguments, novel evidence, etc., you are welcome to request a rediscussion at WP:RSN. You also ask whether Wikipedia is a safe place for genealogists, heraldists, and the like. I don't see how anybody's real world identities have anything to do with being on Wikipedia. All editors are protected by the same policies and are welcome to contribute on the topics of their interests abiding the same content and behavioural policies and guidelines.
  3. Editors work on topics of their interests. WP:WikiProjects are the best solution we have to help editors interested in a particular topic to get together and coordinate their efforts in producing quality articles that fall under the scope of that project.
Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:44, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Usedtobecool...
Thank you for this. I'll head on over to the relevant spaces and get to work on all of it.
Yours with gratitude,
O.ominirabluejack (talk) 22:56, 22 March 2020 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.
P.S - You're still cool in my book. 😊

Notibility

Hi there, I am a newbie and was wondering if writing an article on the united nations association would have enough notability. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zacreddennn (talk • contribs) 01:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@Zacreddennn: welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. There is this article: United_Nations_Association_–_UK, if that is the group you are referring to. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
There is also United Nations Association that needs work. And existing articles on UNA organizations in several countries. David notMD (talk) 02:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Michael's World

Michael's World — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael's World (talk • contribs) 04:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Michael's World. The Teahouse is a place where you can ask questions about Wikipedia editing or about Wikipedia in general. Do you have a question? The only thing you posted above was your username. Do you have a question about your username? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Astrology pages

Ascendant (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Astrological aspect (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Domicile (astrology) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

These articles seem... pretty terrible. Using astrologyclub.org as a reference is unacceptable, and they read like pseudoscience how-to guides. I understand that Wikipedia has articles on pseudoscientific topics, but they are usually covering the history of the topic, not providing a guide. I don't know if these types of articles are WP:AFD candidates or not. What is standard practice with these sorts of things? -drt1245 (talk) 02:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Although under-referenced, each has been around for more than ten years and hundred of edits, including recent. If you are knowledgeable on the topic, I suggest improving the articles rather than nominating for AfD. David notMD (talk) 09:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Drt1245, sometimes, an AFD does find consensus to WP:TNT. Most of the time, WP:notcleanup trumps. In this case, I find the latter more likely. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

"has been around for more than ten years and hundred of edits, including recent." Could someone show to me the article or page that makes this a valid argument ? Poioumena (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Poioumena, one statement of fact does not an argument make. Obviously, you are assuming a different conclusion than was implied. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Is it the topic you take umbrage with or the quality? I agree the articles are short on referencing. How about adding the tag that is on the Astrology article? With apologies for not being able to figure out the disambiguation) David notMD (talk) 00:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
This page is about the pseudoscience associated with celestial objects. For other uses, see Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1053 (disambiguation).
Not to be confused with astronomy, the scientific study of celestial objects.

You hit the nail : the tags would give a context the articles lack. Thank you. Poioumena (talk) 07:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poioumena (talk • contribs) 07:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Notability

Please advise on the notability of Balaji Guttula? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AishaQ21 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

AishaQ21, I got hits for one FIDE master. FMs are not automatically notable. He needs to meet WP:GNG; I don't think he does. You could present your three best sources on the subject, and ask whether they are enough (see WP:THREE). Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, AishaQ21, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is created by thousands of volunteers, who work on what they choose. What you are really asking is "Please will somebody go looking for independent reliable published sources about Guttula", since that is the only way of establishing their notability. If you present us some sources that you think will do the job, then it's likely that somebody will be able to look at them and give you an opinion on whether they establish notability or not; but I am not motivated to go and look for sources about a person I have never heard of, and I suspect that will be true for most of the people answering questions here as well.
If you find some sources that you think are good, please post links here to three or four of them - not more. Three or four good sources are enough to establish notability, but will not take up too much time for people to check. If there are no sources in English, sources in other languages are acceptable; but there are likely to be far fewer people reading this who are able to evaluate them and give you an answer. --ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Note that at least two other users have tried to create an article for the subject in the last two years. First user was eponymous and probably a test only; the second user managed to create an article which was draftified, then deleted. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Add an article in Wikipedia About "National Aquaculture Group" in English and Arabic

Hi Teahouse,

We need your support to add an article to Wikipedia about "National Aquaculture Group (NAQUA)" in two languages "English and Arabic".

Can you please support us in this regard?

Waiting for your reply...

Regards, Yawar Nawaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ynawaz (talk • contribs) 12:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:National Aquaculture Group (NAQUA) was declined because it did not demonstrate that the subject satisfies Wikipedia's criteria of notability. If you believe that you can demonstrate notability, you can update the draft and resubmit it. This Teahouse relates to the English Wikipedia; the Arabic Wikipedia operates separately. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:16, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi David Biddulph, Can you please support us to write in English and Arabic for National Aquaculture Group or if you refer to someone who can do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ynawaz (talk • contribs) 12:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

No. If you have evidence of notability you can update the draft and resubmit. If the subject is not notable, nobody can help you. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Persistent removal of speedy deletion notice

The article VRT36 was speedily deleted about a week ago for clearly being a self-promotional article for a 14-year-old boy who has made a couple of remixes in his bedroom. The article was recreated almost immediately, and being an identical copy, non-notable and completely unsourced, should be valid for another speedy deletion. However, a couple of IPs (very likely the article creator) keep removing the deletion tag before an admin has time to act upon it. Where should I report this behaviour - is it an ANI incident, or something else? Richard3120 (talk) 12:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Restored the SD. Let's see if it is removed a third time. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@David notMD: many thanks... this time the article has been deleted before the tag was removed. I'll keep an eye on it to see if it is recreated for a fourth time in a week. Richard3120 (talk) 12:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
At VRT36 there is a note: "This page is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it." David notMD (talk) 13:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I want to write the prefix Quecca

I wanna write the prefix Quecca, as a draft, as "queccabit queccabyte queccameter", and some else. Also, one admin needs to translate it into russian Wikipedia because I have been blocked until October, or something else. Can anyone help???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.110.199 (talk) 16:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Does it pass WP:NEO? I don't think so. Perhaps try to get it included in Power of 10 first, if it has been recognised that is. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Looks like it will be a while. "The next opportunity would be the meeting in 2022 but De Brown thinks 2026 is more realistic." (Hudson, Alex (21 June 2019). "Are we running out of numbers?". metro.co.uk. Retrieved 23 March 2020.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Also, the proposal is mentioned appropriately at Metric prefix#R and Q (it was added in March 2019 here). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Quecto too I need it. 190.245.110.199 (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Increase and Cotton Mather, john Cotton view of Africans in slaved in the New World?

I do not have specific verbiage for a change in the inputs for Increase and Cotton Mather and John Cotton, but I would ask that some mention be made on the influence they had on there view of slavery and indentured servitude and how it contradicted with there puritan religion, as well as their view of Africans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.94.33.153 (talk) 16:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to suggest those changes would be on the talk page of the relevant article, which I assume would be Talk:Cotton Mather or Talk:John Cotton (minister). Make sure you also provide a reliable source when suggesting the change, as we can't add it otherwise. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 16:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Creating wiki page for celebrity or muscian any well known person

I just want to know how to create wiki page for celebrity or musician anyone can help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybelline (talk • contribs) 18:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Mybelline, welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest reading WP:YFA before starting one of the hardest things you can do here on Wikipedia. I suggest using the article wizard on that page to get a templated draft set up for you.
Then it's up to you to find reliable sources that mention the person primarily, and not just in passing. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Scott Ian how to remove a template

Upon adding new references to Scott Ian Page, I noticed there were a large number of references and the box that said it needs reference has been up since 2010. I clicked on how to remove this notice and it was suggested I remove the notice myself making a "bold edit" but when I clicked to do this, I could not see the tag in the source code. Could I get some help to learn how this is done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ty78ejui (talk • contribs) 20:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Done (tag was at top) David notMD (talk) 20:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Profile Picture

How do you change or create a profile picture on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queen1019 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Queen1019, and welcome to the Teahouse. The unhelpful answer is that there aren't any "profile pictures" on Wikipedia, because there aren't any "profiles": not one. What we have is encyclopaedia articles, discussing their subjects in a neutral way, based on reliable published sources.
But to answer more helpfully: dealing with images is not too difficult technically, but copyright questions are a huge headache. All images must be uploaded - preferably to Wikimedia Commons, (so that they can be used on all different-language Wikipedias, and on other Wikimedia projects); but only pictures which are licensed so that they may be freely reused are accepted on Commons. If you want to upload a picture to which you own the copyright (which usually means that you took it yourself), then you are free to upload it , and license it appropriately when you do so. If you do not, then we require that the copyright owner explicitly license it - see donating copyright materials. Images you find on the Internet are very rarely free-to-use.
If you have the copyright, or the owner has licensed it (either publicly or in a communication to Wikmedia) then you can upload it, and once it is uploaded you can use it in a Wikipedia article. See Help:Upload. --ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

incorrect data(?) in article on Kathy Shower

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Shower This article claims that "At the time of her first appearance, she was the oldest woman ever to appear as a Playboy Playmate, at age 33". Whereas this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Donlon shows that Dolores Donlon was 36 years old at the time she became a Playmate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Blair H (talk • contribs) 19:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Scott Blair H. What does the source say? (There is a citation for that sentence in Kathy Shower). If the source says it, then that's what we go with - unless you can find another reliable source that says differently. If the source does not make that explicit claim (that she was the oldest) then another source should be found or the statement removed.
Unfortunately, your investigation consistutes WP:original research, and cannot go into the article. (See WP:Verifiability, not truth).
I have a theory how this situation might have arisen: the article Dolores Donlon says that she "trimmed a few years off her age by claiming 1926 as the year of her birth.[citation needed]" If that's true, then in 1957 she was regarded as being 30-31. But that's not actually relevant to your issue. --ColinFine (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately the original source is a book that I don't have access to. I think your theory is correct. Maybe we could amend the statement in the Kathy Shower article to say something to the effect that Dolores Donlon may now have a better claim to that distinction (oldest Playmate). As it is, the statement is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Blair H (talk • contribs) 20:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Someone deleted my changes which were all referenced

Hi

I had added this section Equality Issues at UK Research and Innovation

to this page

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Walport&oldid=946502662

I thought it was well referenced. I just wondered who and why it was taken down? I am a newbie

Kind regards

Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atbk ugotit (talk • contribs) 18:17, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Alex. If you look at the history of Mark Walport, you will see that 81.96.26.143 removed your edit, with the comment "Removing content that is not about the individual". You have reverted their change, which is not the proper way to proceed: according to WP:BRD, you should open a discussion on the article's talk page, and try to reach consensus. (Since the other editor is not logged into an account, it is not possible to ping them, to notify them of the discussion, unfortunately). --ColinFine (talk) 18:43, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Following up here Atbk ugotit - the material you posted was not supported by the sources, and included an assertion that breeched our BLP policy. I have removed the content from the article, and removed it from the article's history. Please be a lot more careful about making statements that imply someone has not acted in accordance with the law in future. I'll be happy to discuss this further with you on the article talk page (I have opened a thread there where you can comment), but be careful not to repeat those assertions even on the talk page unless you can come up with reliable sources that support the statements you make. Best GirthSummit (blether) 21:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Series overview

Hello – on the series overview table for Our Girl, the viewing figures for the pilot episode aren't displaying, and rather show a 'TBA' template. Would someone be able to fix it? I've tried tweaking with it, but cannot figure out what is wrong! – DarkGlow (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

DarkGlow, I tweaked a bit of code to get it to work. Are you editing using the VisualEditor or just source editing? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: The problem is with the "info0SA" part. The viewing figures for the pilot are 6.31, but the table isn't displaying that. I use source edit mode btw! – DarkGlow (talk) 21:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@DarkGlow: Did a bit more tweaking and the problem seems to have been addressed. I've edited it so that it's considered season "0", as denoting it as S appears to have caused the template to misinterpret it as data placement. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Thank you! – DarkGlow (talk) 22:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Help!

A user whom I frequently help has been blocked, he submitted a unblock request but it wasn’t looked into and he got no reply. There also seems to be no discussion or an objective reason regarding his block. Could anyone please help? Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 19:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@Rodrigo Valequez: - DoshNomad was blocked by admin MER-C for undisclosed paid editing. There's more info here. [[8]] Courtesy pinging @MER-C:. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Is there any evidence for this claim? Also, he wasn’t warned. I was accused of paid editting first and was warned, he was blocked without a discussion. He submitted an unblock request asking for further information, could I somehow answer it? Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 20:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

There was plenty of evidence shown in the discussion that's linked in the block notice, and which Timtempleton links to. For really blatant violations, no warning is necessary. In any case, no, you don't need to do anything. Unblock requests have to be handled by administrators, since they are the only people who are able to block and unblock users. It has only been a few days since the unblock request was placed, and an admin will deal with it at some point. (My non-admin guess is that the fact that the user did not acknowledge or address the reason they were blocked, no administrator will lift the block – but again, it is better not to confuse the issue.) I understand that it can be disappointing when a user you have mentored turns out to be a policy violator, but that's how it is sometimes. --bonadea contributions talk 21:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

All right then, thanks for the information... Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 22:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Host

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I think she must have deleted my account because there is the place in you profile. The account name was MJ1019— Preceding unsigned comment added by Queen1019 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Queen1019 Accounts cannot be deleted, so whatever your daughter did, she didn't delete your account. 331dot (talk) 21:45, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Queen1019, what's your other account? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, so if accounts can't be deleted why did after my daughter did something I couldn't log in? --[User:Queen1019|Queen1019]] (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Did you forget your password, Queen1019? Also, please don't create a new section when replying; just edit this one. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Maybe Queen1019 forgot their password. Maybe their daughter changed the password. Maybe she did something with the account that caused it to be blocked. While Queen1019 doesn't tell us the name of the account, this is all idle speculation. Maproom (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I did not forget my password. She didn't change it either. So I don't know? I want to beccoe a host but i can't because of my daughter I have been on here for 5 years and have over 1000 edits on my other account why can't I on this account it sucks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queen1019 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Queen1019 We can't tell you any more than that unless you share the name of your prior account. 331dot (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I did I changed the question on top it was MJ1019.

@Queen1019: Please don't take this the wrong way, because every one of us here knew nothing about editing when they first started - me included. I'm sure I made some pretty poor mistakes when I first started, as did we all. Whatever story you care to tell us about some other account is quite irrelevant. What I see from the edits made thus far from this account (including your failure to sign posts and to respond in the correct format, or even to post in the right forum, plus your failure to leave edit summaries, and your inability to appreciate the things you would need to easily tell us so that we could relatively simply identify the name of your 'other account') is that you plainly do not yet exhibit anything like enough skill in editing Wikipedia to be able to help other people here at this time. Maybe later, after you've demonstrated you've gained more editing experience. I am trying to AGF here, but your insistence on wanting to be a host, when your editing behaviour is quite opposite to that of a Teahouse host, might suggest to other editors, such as CUs, that maybe you are trying just a little too hard. Oh, and User:MJ1019 has never existed, so maybe you mis-remembered something? Please just edit normally from now on - put this down to experience - and feel free to ask other questions about editing that we can help you with. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that that was my daughter she gets on things. She did though delete my account. I created this last night did she get on it last and edit something? The account name was Queen 19. I am offering to be a host. I said that last night so maybe she did it for e I don't know. Again, I am truly sorry. --Queen1019 (talk) 23:27, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Queen1019, the account, Queen 19, has never existed. Just take your time and stick to learning how to edit articles for now (WP:TWA is a good starting point). Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 23:36, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, that was Wikihow. I used to have an account to Wikihow. Sometimes, I get confused. I hope you accept my appology. --Queen1019 (talk) 23:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Queen1019, in the meantime, just follow Nick Moyes' advice. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 23:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How to present an article for Wikipedia

I have written a history, with references, of the Burgess Battery Company from its founding in 1917 through the asset auction after it closed in 1989. I previously wrote and copyrighted a detailed 80-page history of Duracell which included addendi on notable competitors.* I found information on Burgess very sparse and much of what I did find was contradictory. So I set out to correct this situation with a much less detailed 6 or 7 page story. I have now completed it and would like to submit it to you for publication. I made no attempt to format it your manner. I do not plan to copyright it unless you want that done. What should I do next? William Deibel

  • "DURO-POWR: The Convergent Origins of DURACELL" Library of Congress Control Number 2019905561, ISBN 978-0-578-51748-3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Thomas Deibel (talk • contribs) 23:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@William Thomas Deibel: Welcome to the Teahouse. We're not a publishing company. We could potentially use it as a source to write articles, though, if your aim is to contribute to the Burgess Battery Company article. I suggest creating an article draft and submitting it for review once it is done. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 00:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Issues at Dinesh D’Souza

Hello,

An ongoing dispute has caused considerable trouble at the Dinesh D’Souza wiki page, more specifically the talk page. The dispute revolves around whether D’Souza can be labeled as far right in the article. The talk discussion (labeled as “far right viewpoint”) has been highly unproductive. The main opposing user (by name of SPECIFICO) has made the statement that D’Souza was far right because A: the page says so, and B: Dinesh is racist (with no citations provided). These points were responded to to no avail. I come to the Teahouse now because instead of responding further, SPECIFICO has grouped my messages on that talk page together and placed them in an adjacent, inactive talk page (can be seen here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dinesh_D%27Souza#Please_add_to_his_page_..)

This confuses me as a new editor and has me here to ask: what is he doing, and what should I do in this situation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigel Abe (talk • contribs) 23:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nigel Abe: Welcome to Wikipedia. You have linked to the mobile version of the site. Your comments are still at the article talk page: Talk:Dinesh_D'Souza#“Far_right_viewpoint”. Looks like the discussion is still ongoing with other editors offering their thoughts as well. If the discussion stalls with no consensus, then follow the guidance at WP:DR. RudolfRed (talk) 00:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Mediterranean Diet

Article content

Key Aspects For The Diverticulitis Diet


There are millions of people having to deal with a variety of different stomach ailments, and one of the more harsh ones includes Diverticulitis. This ailment happens when there is inflammation in the intestinal wall, causing pain, and other malady that can lead to serious complications in the digestive tract. To curb the symptoms and problems associated with this ailment, people can turn to a different eating method than they are used to. One thing that many find useful is the Diverticulitis diet, which can help in a variety of ways. Consider the following options when deciding to move forward with this type of diet plan.

Fiber and Diverticulitis Diet diverticulitis diet planThe first thing to remember when dealing with this stomach malady is to not eat too much fiber. Fiber is one of the things that the body can’t break down easily, even though it helps with digestion, it will not help here. Too much fiber will cause complications with the intestine wall and in some cases could cause severe bleeding, and worse, obstructions in the colon. Some might end up needing surgery if the problem persists.

Acid and A Diverticulitis Diet The second thing to remember in regards to a Diverticulitis diet is to not have too much acid. Acidic juices and foods can hinder the progress needed for a person to recover from this ailment. The stomach already has a great deal of acid, so adding more acidic things to the stomach hinders the healing process of the intestinal walls as they have to work harder to heal things.

Some people will have a hard time finding out what to eat, especially since many foods will seem to be restricted. When in doubt, fruits and vegetables that aren’t too heavy on the body can help, as well as water, and some sodium enriched drinks. It’s important to visit a physician if something of this type continues to worsen. Some people find that the recovery process is a bit hard, because eating properly is difficult for just about anyone.

Stick To your Diverticulitis Diet Plan Once you begin this type of diet plan make sure to stick to it. It will be hard at first, and in some cases will be near impossible. However, without following a strict diet, you could end up hurting the body far worse than the healing process. Remember, at the first signs of something wrong, it’s important to visit a physician, just in case it’s nothing worse than Diverticulitis, as there are some things that can really attack the stomach. Keep up the hard work with your diverticulitis diet.

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References

  1. ^ https://healthmyonline.com/diet-nutrition/what-is-a-mediterranean-diet


Sewwandhika (talk) 01:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Teahouse i need your healp how can i post this articule in wikipedia— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sewwandhika (talk • contribs) (answered below)

(edit conflict) Hi, and thanks for coming to the teahouse. Unfortunately if you want to post it word-by-word onto Wikipedia to any page, it would constitute WP:Copyright violations and is strictly disallowed. Sorry about that. But cheers, TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 01:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
@Queen1019: Are you trying to reply to Sewwandhika, or are you about to start a new thread? I cannot understand. But cheers, TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 01:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay Queen1019, I get it, thanks. I shall reply below. Cheers, TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 01:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
There is already an article at Mediterranean diet. I think you have paraphrased some of the content at least. What is in the block that you've posted here that is not in the exiting Mediterranean diet article?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Let's leave that a rhetorical questions as this is not a WP:Sandbox. I am happy to help out if you would like to start working on something in your sandbox.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Researching

Can you edit without researching? Can you edit a page title? --Queen1019 (talk) 01:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC) ::@Queen1019: Are you trying to reply to Sewwandhika, or are you about to start a new thread? I cannot understand. But cheers, TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 01:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Queen1019 You may perform almost any task that improves Wikipedia, even if it is just proofreading articles for spelling and grammatical errors. You don't need to perform research if you don't wish to. 331dot (talk) 01:11, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
To edit a page title, you would move a page, however you can't do this yet. Detailed technicalities are given in WP:Moving a page, which states that you need to be one of the WP:Autoconfirmed users, i.e. your account has to be >4 days old. Cheers, TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 01:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: @331dot: With some regret I have placed a temporary (1 week) block on Queen1019's account, as it seems their daughter is still editing with their account, as I have explained here. I have done this to avoid disruption and have asked them to clarify on their talk page when their account is properly secured for only one person to access. If for any reason I'm not around to respond and unblock them, please feel free to act to extend or remove the block, as you see fit. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Red links

I want to know if it is ok to leave red links in articles or if I should remove them (by "red links" I mean links that you click on that lead to pages that don't exist). BlooWhale39 (talk) 04:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

BlooWhale39, you should add redlinks when you are sure the article should exist, you should remove when you are sure the topic doesn't deserve an article, you should leave redlinks alone when they exist but you can't be sure that it doesn't deserve to become blue. More at WP:REDLINK. Cheers! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! BlooWhale39 (talk) 04:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Can i ask you something?

I write my first article and be scared I did something wrong? Did I do it more or less right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michel_v._Tell Thank you!

Timi!Tim!11 (talk) 21:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Timi!Tim!11, I've added the submission template to your draft. If you feel like it's ready, click the "Submit your draft for review!" button and a reviewer will check it and offer you feedback. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Timi!Tim!11. I think you've made an excellent effort which, after further work, will likely be accepted when reviewed. I have taken the liberty of giving your draft a copy-edit, mostly to correct errors and amend infelicities of English grammar, spelling and usage. (I used to do this sort of thing for a living.)
There are a few issues I think you could usefully address. You'll see I've redlinked your mention of the "Swiss NLB", which as a professional sports league ought to have an article on this Wikipedia: however, the only link I could find was a disambiguation redirect to Swiss Challenge League, which is a soccer rather than a baseball league!
The mention of viewing figures needs to be explicitly dated in the text (I've inserted "??/??/????" as a placeholder), since these will presumably rise subsequently.
You blue-linked some of the country names mentioned but not others: for consistency I have linked all of them, but I'm not sure that the links are actually called for. I do think that the four countries involved in the record ride should be specifically named in the text.
A few of your word choices seem a little unencyclopaedic: terms like "great names" and "huge global media attention" need to be made a little more restrained – possible improvements might be "prominent" and "extensive".
Note that I have not checked any of your references to confirm that they really support the text cited to them – I've only worked with your text as presented.
I hope this was helpful, and of course you are not obliged to accept anything I've done.
[Edited to add] You may already know this, but you can compare the "before" and "after" versions arising from any edit, with all the changes highlighted, via the page's "View history" tab. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 09:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Harassment

Hello I have a issue with another editor who has been following me, and reverting my edits on nonsensical content. I feel he is hounding me, I've asked him to stop twice. What might be my course of action if any. Thanks in advance FOX 52 (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

FOX 52 Issues with editor behavior are addressed at WP:ANI. 331dot (talk) 23:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Looks to be a three-person edit war at Botswana Defence Force, although the editors may have begun to try to sort this out on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 00:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
@David notMD: - FYI this is my harasser, don't know if this would warrant an ANI case or not cheers- FOX 52 (talk) 05:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes, on further observation, clear that the involvement goes beyond that one article. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Question

How do I edit an article so that it doesnt get deleted immediately? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel.vidgren (talk • contribs) 06:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Samuel.vidgren, welcome to Wikipedia! A welcome message was left on your user talk page yesterday. It has some links that provide guidance on how to get started. Have you had the opportunity to go through any of them yet?
Every page has a history tab at the top. If you click the history of the article you are editing, you can see who undid your edits and the reason they gave. You seem to have violated the copyright laws/policies in your first edits. Please go through WP:C so that doesn't happen again. Your edits also give the impression that you have a conflict of interest with regard to the subject of your contributions; however you have not declared the nature of your conflict. Please go through WP:COI and especially WP:PAID and make necessary disclosures, then use WP:Edit requests to propose edits to the article instead of trying to edit it directly. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
See also:
This is a mess. The only source on the current article is their own web page stating their financials. There's nothing else at Ponsse so I am moving it there - no disambiguation is needed. Also Google indicates a WP:COI. Guy (help!) 08:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Status: Everything above redirects to Ponsse, which is a Stub. Samuel.vidgren has declared PAID. As such, advised to recommend desired changes on the Talk page rather than editing the article directly. Samuel's previous direct edits all reverted. One large edit for copyright violation and one large edit for lack of any references to support the added content. Samuel has made one edit request at Talk which was rejected for not being appropriately referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Blog

How do I make a Blog in Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerell Nojor (talk • contribs) 11:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Jerell Nojor: You don't. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:04, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Jerell Nojor: you don't. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, and the content difference between blogs and Encyclopedic Articles is quite big. If you mean how to create an article here, please read WP:YFA. I also recommend having an overview of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and WP:POV. If you have specific questions, please ask here again. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Contradictory information on different articles, what do I do?

Greetings all!

I was working on translating parts of the German article on the Red Square in Moscow (Roter Platz) to English. While translating I came across the statement "Among the most spectacular executions at Lobnoye Mesto are the quadripartite execution of the rebellious peasant leader Stenka Rasin in 1671 [...]", but on the page on Stenka Rasin it states he was executed in Bolotnaya Square, not the Red Square. How should I go about confirming the validity of these statements? Should I just leave it out? Is this something I should direct towards a specialist? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you and good health to you all,

--A Lambent Eye (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

A Lambent Eye, I notice that in the Stenka Razin article, the quite lengthy and detailed paragraph giving this information is not cited to a reference, in contrast to the rest of the article which seems overall well sourced. I suspect this is an oversight, and perusal of the source publications used elsewhere in the article would reveal a source for this paragraph also. If you can't access the likely relevant sources (perhaps through a library – there's no rush, after all), you could perhaps contact some of the article's more prolific contributors.
In balance with this, does the German Wikipedia article on Red Square give a source for its assertion? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 08:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
That is very true, I shall go about that way. The German article on de:Stenka Rasin doesn't contain any information on his death, and the Roter Platz also doesn't cite any sources. Thank you for the input!
--A Lambent Eye (talk) 12:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

How can I code a template?

I am pretty new to wikipedia and I want to create a template to show the document tree of my talk/user page. Instead of going to each subpage and editing each section, I want to just create a template that would automate that (that's what templates are for right?). So I want to know if I can create a template, or do I need to become like a template editor or something? Thanks! ~~ Faboof (talk)(contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 22:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Greetings @Faboof:, I don’t know much abot templates but I’d reccomend you to see Help:A quick guide to templates. I hope that helps! Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Faboof, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what kind of document tree you want but you may be interested in some existing features. Special:PrefixIndex/User:Faboof/ links subpages of your user page. {{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Faboof/}} displays them within a page:
User:PrimeHunter/My subpages.js adds a "Subpages" link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Faboof/ at the top of all pages. The bottom of Special:Contributions/Faboof already has the link for all users. Special:PrefixIndex/User talk:Faboof/ and {{Special:PrefixIndex/User talk:Faboof/}} works the same for subpages of your talk page. Omit the final slash to include your main user page or talk page. This may also find other pages starting with the same string but there aren't currently any for you. We do have a User:Faboofour with edits in 2008 but they have no userspace pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:20, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! ~~ Faboof (talk)(contribs) - (March 24 2020 14:39) 14:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Quote in real English or according to a person's accent

In the article Rose Fortune, I added a quote that I like to the career section: "You come right along, jedge. No time to be sleeping now. Yo'all got to hold co'at in Digby, and yo'know right well you got to ketch that boat."

It is based upon her accent, versus the way that words should be spelled. I am wondering if it is ok to correct the spelling: "You come right along, judge. No time to be sleeping now. Yo'all got to hold court in Digby, and yo'know right well you got to catch that boat." (emphasis added to indicate which words are spelled differently.)

I would like to keep the quote, but it feels wrong to misspell words based upon someone's accent. Perhaps also change Yo' to you... but that's a southern thing maybe it should stay as is.

I see that spelling errors may be corrected in quotes, but this is an intentional spelling error (that feels wrong to me). Any guidance re: original wording is very much appreciated!!!–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I'd quote it exactly as it appears in the source. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, CaroleHenson. This is called Eye dialect. I would say, if you are quoting a source, you quote the source: you don't translate it into another language, even into standard English. --ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, quote it exactly as it appears in the source; this is no different to our using 16th-century spelling and grammar when quoting Shakespeare. ‑ Iridescent 23:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@CaroleHenson: I don't think this is as simple as Roy, Colin, and Iridescent make it sound. On the one hand, it's generally a good practice to respect sources. On the other hand, eye dialect can be racist (source, source, source, many more available out there....), and reproducing it can be reproducing racism. Particularly here where we are dealing with an article about a black Canadian. So it probably depends on where exactly the quote comes from and your use of editorial discretion. I would feel perfectly comfortable respelling, probably with brackets where you changed spellings. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:11, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1, ColinFine, RoySmith, and Iridescent:, The quote was published in the book 100 Canadian Heroines: Famous and Forgotten Faces, but I am guessing that it originally came (in some form) from Judge Haliburton. If it was based upon her writing, I would be right there in terms of quoting it exactly as written. But in this case, it was based upon her speech. I like the idea of changing the spelling and putting the words in brackets.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I am going to go ahead with that approach. I appreciate everyone's comments, and I prefer to take an approach that is less likely to offend anyone. Much appreciated!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
@CaroleHenson et al.: Sorry for the late reply, but I disagree. Quotes should only be edited to correct minor spelling or typographical issues. If the author wrote it that way, then the only decision should be whether to use the quote or not, based on whether it's useful to the reader's understanding of the subject. We can't paint over history that is offensive (including sources). Sounds to me like it's a bad source, and should not be quoted, since it isn't easily understood. If the speech was important, there should be another source that more accurately discusses it, no? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
What the article subject said is what is important, and that isn't in dispute. The only issue is whether to transcribe the article subject's speech using non-standard spelling. An author writing 100 years ago chose to do so (the quote from the book comes from what appears to be a 1924 news article), possibly for racist reasons. We don't need to be racist ourselves if our goal is to accurately portray what the article subject said. We wouldn't use other immaterial racist language in our articles, simply because our sources used it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
I am going to remove the quote. I would rather do that than offend anyone (including myself). It's funny that it was written in 1924, because I remember thinking the language was like the way Hollywood scripts were written in its early days. And, blacks had to speak that way or not have roles. Thanks everyone! I have learned a lot, like Eye dialect, totally new to me.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
(ec) @Calliopejen1: We don't know what the subject said. All we have from this source is a loose phonetic transcription (at best), thus my comment to try to find a better source. Trying to interpret the transcription sounds like OR to me. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
@CaroleHenson: Sounds right to me. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Need Help to Creating Vishal Yoman Biography Page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vishal_Yoman I have Given Enough Source links but still no approving Please solve the issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honeysingh786 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Honeysingh786, you haven't clicked on the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button in the grey box. Before you do so however, I strongly suggest you take a look at the multiple issues the article has before you submit it. IMDb is a handy site to check an actor's filmography, but by no means is it considered reliable here on Wikipedia. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Spelling and grammar

Hello, I am Kayla Mitchell. I was wondering if you can change spelling and grammar. FYI all your articles don't have correct grammar. I am open to helping correct spelling and grammar. Can you change the spelling and grammar? --Solangelo19 (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Solangelo19 It would be lovely to have you correct spelling and grammar. It's helpful to double-check the sources so that you are not changing the meaning of the content. But, please, yes, it would be lovely... if you would make corrections!–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Solangelo19: Unfortunately, the changes you have made so far have added some grammar errors and also "corrected" spelling from one version of English to another version. Please see the information on your user talk page. If you are not sre why the changes you made were reverted, feel free to ask. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Solangelo19, I agree with Bonadea, I should have looked at your contributions first. You must stay true to the national forms of English (British, U.S., Canadian...). And, with the date format that is being used in the article (sometimes stated at the top of the page when you open the article for editing.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Prevention and Management of COVID-19

Prevention and Management of COVID-19

Dear Wikipedians, I would like to create the topic of "Prevention and Management of COVID-19" based on the contents below. Would you please let me know about your thought? I could update much more information based on reliable sources. Before drafting the information, I would like to get some feedbacks.

  • Existing contents of Prevention and Management of COVID-19 - it is one of the parts of 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic so it's quite broad information: most of people may be interested in Prevention and Management of COVID-19, [[9]], However, if there is a separate topic, it would be easy to access and read.

It would be also fairly crucial topic regarding covid-19 pandemic and main concerns of numerous people in the world for preventing infection from COVID-19 including Management of COVID-19 in case if we caught with it. Please kindly add my ID on reply " Goodtiming8871 " when you can provide me with your feedback. - I would get notification if you add my signature. Thank you for reading my inquiry. Kind regards. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:49, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@Goodtiming8871: Sounds like crossing the line into WP:NOMEDICALADVICE and WP:NOTHOWTO. I understand that there may be other stuff already in articles that have crossed this line, as well as WP:NOTNEWS and others. People should get their public health information from reliable sources, like public health officials and medical professionals. In any case, the best place to discuss it is probably at one of the article talk pages in this navbox: {{COVID-19}}. There may (or should) be other non-article-talk discussions going on, too (like in the Wikipedia: namespace) about what our coverage should consist of. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 12:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. However- I would like to know the availability of coverage under current boundary of Wikipedia.
example can we add the topics below on this subject as it's really beneficial?Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:42, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, a news media article like that - an opinion expressed by one scientist - should not be given weight. Better to refer to authoritative government sources. Not to say that the CDC website is best, but it continually improves and updates. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. Yes

CDC website would be beneficial in general. can we also add one or a few lines of summary of the references on this Wikipedia as it's also from famous experts on this field? From my understanding, CDC website is tend to reluctant provide us with the latest research although it's published by reliable sources and CDC website has a bit limited information that we have already knew it pretty well. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 13:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Goodtiming8871, please discuss content issues relating to an article at the talk page of the article. If the issue pertains a number of related articles, you can create a discussion on the talk page of the main article on the topic and notify at the talk pages of rest of the articles. You can also start a discussion at the talk page of one of the most relevant WikiProjects. In this particular case, the best place is either WT:WikiProject COVID-19 or WT:WikiProject Medicine. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I totally agree that there should be a special page on management and control of Corona virus. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Is there a drastic reduction of Wikipedia activity?

Last time I visited wikipedia it was more actiely monitored, edited, formatted, replied, corrected, discussed etc. But today I am shocked to see a drastic reduction of user activity. Sometimes new pages are being created; but routine discussions corrections etc are scarce. Is there something wrong to our beloved Wikipedia? I feel worried.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 16:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI, volunteers spend time in the areas that interest them. I'm seeing a lot of activity, for example, over on articles related to the current COVID-19 pandemic. Most times things don't need discussion and are BOLDly done. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by RIT RAJARSHI (talk • contribs) 16:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

May I upload this PDB file?

Protein Data Bank published a "colouring book" (Line drawing) for coronavirus 2019 (Sars cov2). (link: [10]https://pdb101.rcsb.org/learn/coloring-books/coloring-coronavirus). May I recolour and upload this file (through Wikimedia commons)? Would it flouth copyright policies? Does it flout copyright if I upload any PDB protein structure image?

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 15:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Take a look at the PDB-101 "How to Cite" page. It says, "Illustrations in the Global Health Pages are available under a CC-BY-4.0 license.", and CC-BY-4.0 is one of the licenses Commons accepts. I'm not 100% sure what they mean by "Global Health Pages", though. It's unclear if that means the entire web site. I'm guessing the answer is "yes", but if you want to be sure, there's a "Contact Us" tab on every page. My suggestion is to click that, and ask them to confirm that the exact image (identified by URL) is indeed covered under CC-BY-4.0 so there's no doubt. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding MOS:LEAD

I was going through some wikipedia pages randomly removing unreliable sources (if any) & adding citation needed tag wherever necessary. I came across the Sidemen page, apparently its a youtubers group page. I removed few unreliable sources per WP:RSPSOURCES. In that same article, they have mentioned their subscriber count on top 2nd paragraph - "Their eponymous YouTube channel has over 7.5 million subscribers" then again that same info was repeated in 6th paragraph - "The Sidemen channel has over 7.4 million subscribers and has had over 1.2 billion views" under the Youtube Content category on that same page. So I removed the former saying the same info is already mentioned under Youtube Content category where it perfectly fits. By the way, its also already mentioned in infobox as well. But my edit was undone by an editor & his/her edit summary just said "MOS:LEAD, WP:CITELEAD", I checked both of those and I failed to see anything in that which is relevant to my edit so I'm confused.

Mentioning their current subscriber count thrice including twice in the body is still repetitive in my opinion and I still think the "Their eponymous YouTube channel has over 7.5 million subscribers" should be removed because as I said the same thing is already mentioned in 6th paragraph - "The Sidemen channel has over 7.4 million subscribers and has had over 1.2 billion views" under Youtube Content category where it perfectly fits. So what should I include in my edit summary to justify this ? Any help would be appreciated.-Sxkc (talk) 18:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sxkc. What to put in the edit summary is not relevant, because you should not simply reapply your edit, however sure you are that it is an improvement: that would be edit warring. Your proper next step is to open a discussion at the article's talk page, preferably ping the editor that reverted you, and try to reach consensus. See BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey, ColinFine. Thanks for the response. I will open a discussion on talk page. However, my edit was reverted with the edit summary "MOS:LEAD, WP:CITELEAD", I'm still confused as to how those two are relevant to me removing repeated info. Can you explain that ? I'm confused. Am I missing something ? -Sxkc (talk) 19:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@Sxkc: WP:CITELEAD (which is part of WP:LEAD) notes that "the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body [of the article]", so there is nothing inherently wrong with the lead's duplicating material that is present elsewhere in the article if it is appropriate in summarizing the article's most important points. Deor (talk) 18:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding Sources in Lists

For an article that is a list of notable events, if one of the entries is linked to its own page, and that page is sourced properly, is it necessary to add sources to the list as well?

Thanks, Dorito Toes (talk) 17:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Dorito Toes, if I understand this correctly, you're asking if the sources for listed articles need to be included in the list itself? My answer is no. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 17:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, I more meant adding a source in general rather than the sources from the stand alone article. Like, if I added an event with no sources or references, that wouldn't be okay. But if the event had it's own article, would just linking the article be okay? Dorito Toes (talk) 18:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Dorito Toes, linking the article is fine, though events without reliable sources/references shouldn't be on the list (let alone on Wikipedia), unless someone was planning on creating an article about an event that is properly sourced.
Is there a particular list that you're looking at? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu Here: List of human stampedes and crushes. Dorito Toes (talk) 18:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Dorito Toes, I see what you mean now. If references are added to the row with an article link, it's fine (above due diligence). I'll abstain from commenting on the unnamed events and pass that to someone more knowledgeable in that area. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the input! Dorito Toes (talk) 18:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
I didn't mean to suggest that I was adding stuff without sourcing it. Dorito Toes (talk) 18:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

DJ Telly Tellz

I recently have been working on a page for a Music Artist. Please take a look at the article and give me your honest opinion or feedback on the article.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DJ_Telly_Tellz#cite_note-1 Cr.attz (talk) 18:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cr.attz. While your wording might be better, I'm afraid you have done nothing at all towards establishing notability. None of the references you have included do more than mentioning Tells in passing (and Wikipedia is an unreliable source, almost never acceptable in references). You need to find places where people who have no connection with Tells have written (or spoken) at some length about him, and been published in a reliable place. Please see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Cr.attz, welcome to the Teahouse. I'd resubmit it so that reviewers can take a proper look at it, but I can tell you right now that reference 2 (citing Wikipedia) is not okay. Bring back the References section and the tone can be neutralised; quite a bit of WP:PEACOCKing going on in that draft. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Help with my wiki article

Hi,

Please can someone help me with my article, it has been rejected. I am writing an article for a company that i work for. I have added references and wiki links to it but it was rejected.

Can you please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linahben (talk • contribs) 15:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Linahben: Welcome to the Teahouse. First off, the four references you provided are not particularly reliable (IMDb), but a more important issue is that you writing about the company that you work for, a clear conflict of interest on your part. You must declare that you have a conflict of interest (as per WP:COI) on articles; if you are being paid to do so, the restrictions are more stringent (WP:PAID and in both cases you would be strongly discouraged to edit the article yourself; rather, {{Edit request}} templates can be used to make minor factual corrections or additions, provided with a reliable source. You may also want to put a {{Paid}} template on your user page. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Pinging Linahben correctly this time. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:19, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Your commment on 'being paid to do' is too specific. The WP:PAID arises not only when writing or maintaining Wikipedia article(s) is specified as a part of someone's job. Publishing one's company is widely considered a means of promotion today (despite it being effective or not). And promotion is a means of leveraging the business, which eventually leads to increasing its income. And that results (or at least: it should) in growing salaries. So every employee of any company implicitly is in a paid-coi when writing here about their employer. --CiaPan (talk) 17:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Pinging also Linahben.
@CiaPan: I erred on the side of specificity as the guideline first states in the lead that [i]t does not matter whether you are paid directly by the client, or paid indirectly by an employer on behalf of the client, which doesn't mention implicit pay in the situation you posed above. Further down it says that unpaid workers such as volunteers are also subject to WP:PAID if they are directed or expected to do so, which may validate your point. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Linahben. It is often difficult for new editors to understand what Wikipedia is. Basically, Wikipedia is not very interested in what your company (or any other subject) says about itself, and completely uninterested in what your company wants said about itself. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with your company have chosen to write about it, and been published in reliable sources. This means that you need to base your draft almost entirely on sources completely unconnected with the company (which excludes anything based on an interview or press release). You might find WP:CSMN useful. --ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Data in Pia Reyes wiki page are incorrect

The measurements for Pia Reyes on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pia_Reyes are incorrect. The Link clearly states them as 35.5-24-35 as properly listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Playboy_Playmates_of_1988 (see November, Pia Reyes) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Blair H (talk • contribs) 19:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Scott Blair H:   Done. If it's an issue that is article specific please post on the relevant article(s)' talk page(s) instead of here at the Teahouse or be WP:BOLD and edit it yourself, if possible. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

drafts

Hi. the accounts i've created are going in draft and are not getting approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinephile786 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Cinephile786:, add your signature at the end of your text. You may post the links of the drafts on my talk page, I will check out. Cheers - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 20:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

hI.. what's tali page? Here are the drafts... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Danish_Renzu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Illegal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinephile786 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

my err. Talk page. Let me check these. Here is my talk page Sorry for the err. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 20:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
The Illegal (drama film) now an article. Draft:Danish Renzu a three-times declined draft. Reviewers have explained why, including no hyperlinks allowed within the text of the article. David notMD (talk) 21:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Question re: edit section on user's talk page

@The Sr Guy: and all, I am asking how to fix the User talk:The Sr Guy page. For some reason the sections on hi talk page don't have an "edit section" availabl. To edit a section of his page the user has to edit the entire page from the edit button at the top of the page. BTW - this is a new editor who would be happy to have a mentor if anyone wants to take him under his wing for awhile. Thanks! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Not that this helps but looking at the Information for "User talk:The Sr Guy" under page properties; and under magic words it has the property called "__NOEDITSECTION__" (see Help:Magic words#Behavior switches and mw:Help:Magic words). That seems to be the error, on how to remove that property I'm not sure. OkayKenji (talk page) 20:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  Done @The Sr Guy and The Eloquent Peasant:, it should be fixed now. As noted above your talk page had the property __NOEDITSECTION__ (Hides the section edit links beside headings). Even though that was not on the talk page itself; the talk page did transclude the page Wikipedia:Accessibility dos and don'ts, with these -> {{ }} like you do for a template. Wikipedia:Accessibility dos and don'ts does have __NOEDITSECTION__, hence why there were no edit buttons on the headings (as transcluding the page also transcludeds "__NOEDITSECTION__" to the talk page - causing that page's heading edit buttons to be removed in this case). Hope this helps (and makes sense - I'm not great at explaining). OkayKenji (talk page) 20:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
(last thing) I've reverted an edit to the page Wikipedia:Accessibility dos and don'ts - that caused this issue, transcludeding that page no longer should cause the edit button to disappear. OkayKenji (talk page) 21:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you @OkayKenji:. You're awesome. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 21:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding a paragraph to an existing page

I would like to contribute to the page "Canadian Hard Core Punk" by adding a paragraph entitled Calgary. I've inserted it but now I don't know how to submit it, can you tell me what the next step would be? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarletgerl (talk • contribs) 2020-03-24T22:23:57 (UTC)

Hello, Scarletgerl, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is the only edit your account has made, and nothing has been added to the article Canadian hardcore punk, so I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say you have inserted it. Perhaps you are still in an edit session: you always need to complete an edit session by picking "Publish changes". Normally all edits you make are immediately visible - there is no question of "submitting".
When new editors make edits, what often happens is that somebody else reverts the edit, because they think that the edit does not meet Wikipedia's standards (most often because it is not cited to a reliably published source), and the new editor thinks their edit hasn't "taken". But that hasn't happened here - you don't seem to have succeeded in editing at all. I've put some helpful links on your user talk page: I suggest you have a look through them before you try again, because it's easy to get disheartened if you plunge in without knowing what you are doing. --ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

What's the rule for disambiguation pages having external links for things that don't have articles yet?

Is there guidance for a situation where you have an abbreviation for something that is ambiguous, in the sense that it could stand for more than one thing, but it's currently just a redirect to one thing, ignoring the other choices. BUT there's no article (yet) about the other choices.

In my specific case I'm working on improving content around organizations, events, and institutions in the social impact space, and noticed that the the main event for the field, SOCAP, redirected to something unrelated to the well-known conference. So I added a disambiguation page so people wouldn't get confused. There is not a SOCAP article yet. I was thinking of writing one, it's definitely notable, but I haven't had the time to sit down and create something high quality yet.

Did I do things out of order? I was thinking it would be better if people didn't get confused when searching for that term, but I'm not sure if that's the right approach. Is it against policy to link to something outside of Wikipedia on a disambiguation page?

It's probably kind of an academic question but in reading the article on disambiguation pages I couldn't find much on this exact topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilsonP NYC (talk • contribs) 2020-03-24T22:28:12 (UTC)c

Hello, WilsonP NYC, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is, no, you shouldn't create it until there are articles to disambiguate. WP:DAB#Disambiguation pages says "A disambiguation page is a non-article page that lists and links to encyclopedia articles covering topics that could have had the same title. The purpose of disambiguation pages is allowing navigation to the article on the topic being sought. The information on a disambiguation page should be focused on getting the reader to their desired article." (emphasis added).
Further down, at "External links", it says "Do not include external links, either as entries or in descriptions. Disambiguation pages disambiguate Wikipedia articles, not the World Wide Web. To note URLs that might be helpful in the future, include them on the talk page." --ColinFine (talk) 23:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

- Thanks so much for the super clear answer ColinFine it's super appreciated! --WilsonP NYC

Request for assistance

Looking for assistance of any host to help out with an edit at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Abdullah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fazel Rahman Bahrami (talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

There have been many recent edits to Abdullah Abdullah, some of them contentious. As a result the article has been semi-protected, meaning that new users are unable to edit it. If you have an edit you want to propose, you should do so at Talk:Abdullah Abdullah, specifying exactly what you want changed, giving your reasons, and preferably giving a supporting reference. Maproom (talk) 07:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

editing help

 

Hello when I google my father's name (Preston Love), the wikipedia page shows for children only Laura Love. This is not a true representation. I can not find how or where to change this in the editing mode. please advise. thank You, R.Love — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie Love Saxworld (talk • contribs) 04:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Richie Love Saxworld, that is probably Google's algorithm doing something weird. I can see your name mentioned with your siblings down at the bottom of Preston Love#Biography. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Richie Love Saxworld, Wikipedia does not control what google does with it's knowledge panel, but there is a feedback button on each of them where you can click to point out inaccuracies and provide suggestions, not that they are obliged to act on them.
If we are to take everything on Preston Love at face value, it seems your father had eight children including you. The apparent favoritism is probably to do with the fact that Laura Love seems to have a public career of her own. Google has listed her in your father's entry because people are likely to be interested in searching for her as well and google has a knowledge panel for her as well. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I've reverted your additions to Preston Love. You have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the article. Please read WP:COI for a fuller explanation. My revert also re-instated the references that you removed. - X201 (talk) 10:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Mobile use

I use extensively the categories page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Current_events for example but i dont have access through the mobile version of wikipedia and it hurts research since it serves as a directory to organize subjects. Conversely, but less important, the related articles you get at the end of the page on the mobile wikipedia also lets you jump to related people, events, issues that aren´t linked or mentioned in the article. It would be great if the devs could make both versions of wikipedia have these tools. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:7AC4:A101:47E:ABB0:76DF:E05B (talk) 11:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. This page is about help in editing Wikipedia, and won't necessrily be seen by developers. WP:VPT is the best place to discuss techincal issues about the software and apps. --ColinFine (talk) 12:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
If you navigate to a category page in any way on mobile then the page is visible. You can switch to the desktop version on "Desktop" at the bottom of any page in the mobile version, and switch the other way on "Mobile view". If you create an account then you can enable "Advanced mode" at mobile settings and see categories on pages. In desktop you can enable the related pages feature with the below in your common JavaScript. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
mw.loader.using('ext.relatedArticles.readMore.bootstrap')

Question regarding copyright of pictures

Hello! I've been thinking of adding a picture of a living person (singer) but haven't directly been able to find one that is free work. Is it okay then to take a screenshot of a video showing the singer perform the song? I don't know if that defines as free work or if it's acceptable to upload the picture to Wikipedia. I have myself made the picture smaller and adjusted it in other ways, so it would be nice if I could use the picture on the page. I don't think the performance itself is copyright claimed by the owner, SVT (see the video I'm referring to here), but I wanted some sort of clarification before I'm uploading/using the picture. Thanks! Zandor (talk) 10:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Every picture, video and other work that someone publishes is copyrighted, unless they explicitely publish it under a free license. Screenshots of videos, even when cropped, etc., are still subject to the original creator's copyriht and can thus not be uploaded to Wikipedia. --MrClog (talk) 11:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I see, thank you. It's just so hard to find free work images if you haven't seen/met the person in question. But thank you for clarifying. Just one more question, if I give credit to the owner, SVT in this case, in the file description, can it be used then? Or if I give credit to the owner in some other way while uploading it? I have read the Swedish intellectual property law but I do not know that much about the international one. Zandor (talk) 12:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

retrieve date and other data are not visible on lang:ast wiki

i have modified with following changes: https://ast.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:MobileDiff/2849701

however the references are not similar to english version.

can you please elaborate differences. thank you. Leela52452 (talk) 04:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Leela52452, welcome to the Teahouse. The English Wikipedia and the Asturian Wikipedia are two separate projects. It's not like domains such as Gamepedia that use a translation module to translate an article (let's call it "article prime") into other languages based on it, and whenever article prime has changes made to it, it can be marked (or re-marked) for translation.
Please be aware that policies differ across the different language Wikipedias, so some changes can be observed between articles on both Wikipedias. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
@Leela52452: Different wikis have different templates. Our Template:Cite web is different from ast:Template:Cite web. Maybe they copied our version years ago and then adapted and developed it on their own without copying our changes since then. It appears you can use fechaaccesu or accessdate instead of access-date. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

User Talk Page Vandalism

Last night, a (now banned) user left multiple messages on my talk page containing hate. another user kindly reverted it (thanks!). I know this sounds unorthodox, but I would like to keep them there as battle scars, along side my replys. would this violate any guidelines? Thanks! Scaledish (Chances are I am wrong, sorry :blush:) (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Scaledish, per WP:RBI, best practice would be to leave them reverted as they currently are - they're still available in the page history if you want to view them again. It's your talk page though, I'm not going to tell you what to do on it. GirthSummit (blether) 15:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Help to publish article

Hi, my recent article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kerrine_Bryan just got rejected. As part of my college assignment I have to successfully publish an article. Any help on how to get this article published would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aimeegoodwin (talk • contribs) 14:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Aimeegoodwin. You asked this on my talk page too, but I will reply here as well. Your draft Draft:Kerrine Bryan was declined not rejected, you can get help here Help:Your first article, you have not used wiki links correctly, Engineer instead of Engineer the tone is not neutral like an encyclopedia should be, eg. "award winning", "a passion for educating youngsters", "landed into engineering by accident", "has won multiple awards". The awards do not appear to be notable, ie. no Wikipedia articles about them. Sources need to be independent and in-depth Butterfly books for example is a primary source so cannot be used to establish notability. Lastly your college tutor should read this Wikipedia:Student assignments carefully. Student assignments can help improve Wikipedia, but they can also cause the encyclopedia more harm than good when not directed properly. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Leon Polk Smith, 20th c geometric painter--needs images, please help with copyright/fair use

I'm trying to do some work on the mid/late 20th c artists, at the moment some who worked in Geometric abstraction and Constructivist forms, including Leon Polk Smith, Robert Engman &c. (I'd also like to beef up or add some of the women artists from the period who participated in many of the same exhibitions, but that's a different question)

I am stuck regarding questions of fair use and where to get images. For example, this work by Leon Polk Smith, Constellation: Twelve Circles: [1]

It is one thing to just add a link. But obviously Smith's page would be more informative if it included at least one example of his work.

Thanks, Sicklemoon (talk) 13:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sicklemoon, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you looked at WP:NFC? Including a non-free image of one of an artist's works might well meet the "contextual significance" criterion. It's (as always) a matter of judgment. --ColinFine (talk) 14:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine--I have looked at it. Actually feeling that I understood it is something else. The example above is up on WikiArt. Is WikiArt related to Wikipedia? WikiArt gave the image the caption © Leon Polk Smith Fair Use (with the Fair Use Symbol).

Is that enough, as far as Wikipedia is concerned? My sense is that... to date there is a lag on visual artis information of the late 20th c because of concerns about these issues. Sicklemoon (talk) 14:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

No, Sicklemoon, WikiArt has no connection whatever with Wikipedia: they are simply two of the thousands and thousands of wikis on the internet. NFC is Wikipedia's implementation of the concept of Fair use, and is generally more restrictive than Fair Use. If your use meets all the requirements of the NFCC, then you may upload the image and use it irrespective of any copyright claims. There is a general shortage of visual content on Wikipedia, not just for artists: I believe the the NFC policy was created to try to alleviate this shortage. BTW, I have added the {{reflist-talk}} template to this section so that your reference will stay with this section when people add new sections to the Teahouse. If you reply further, add your comments before that template. --ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, and thank you ColinFine for your patience in answering questions that are no doubt addressed in a FAQ somewhere and you've had to go through numerous times. I will now piece my way more carefully/confidently through the NFCC and make an experimental edit via my takeway from there. Again, thank you.Sicklemoon (talk) 16:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://g.co/kgs/2ndFm2

How to add your entity to the search list

Our entity, unfortunately, has an acronym that is similiar with a few others. How do we get ours to pop up in the search box, or our entity altogether,etc.? We are the state housing finance authority for Nebraska, you can see our information at https://nifa.org. Please let me know how we can at least be recognized on the site.

thank you for your assistance!!

Jody Cook — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.55.178.130 (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is not currently an article about your agency, which would be a prerequisite for adding its name to the NIFA disambiguation page. Many state government agencies do merit articles, but they generally must have significant coverage in independent reliable sources. As you have a conflict of interest, it is strongly advised that you not attempt to write about your agency yourself, but allow independent editors to take note of your agency and write about it.
You should also- if you intend to represent your agency here- review and formally comply with the paid editing policy, a Terms of Use requirement. It might also be a good idea for you to create an account if you intend to do that- though it is not required. 331dot (talk) 16:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

how to correct a typo

I have found what must be a typo on the page for Boldt Castle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boldt_Castle

Most of the rooms on the first floor, and many of the rooms on the second floor of Boldt Castle are furnished as of 2011, but mostly with modern pieces.

I think this must mean "as of 1911".

Can someone fix this?

2011 is correct. "As of 2011" means that was the situation in 2011.--Shantavira|feed me 13:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
But I agree that the expression "as of" is confusing, because it suggests "according to the style of" - I don't think a native English speaker would read it that way, but I can understand a non-native speaker not being clear. I have moved the "as of" phrase to the start of the sentence. --ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
You might be interested in WP:ASOF. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

INDIA - Parliamentary & Assembly Seats

Who manages some locked pages like Hindi pages for rajyasabha and loksabha or English page for parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manish9893 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Manish9893 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. No one in particular "manages" any article, locked or otherwise. If there is a change you would like to see to a locked article, you may propose it on the article talk page as an edit request. 331dot (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Request for help and guidence

Dear sir i followed guideline how to write article, i am new on wikipedia, its my first second article both of not published even i followed APA refrences. in the the guideline there was guide first search, my older Theelance ltd. was not published so i choosed new, theelance ltd is uk company band Theelance is a Pakistan based company. I want to ask please guide me how can i write article for this Theelance page.

regards,

Mehrab Ali — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makbussy (talk • contribs) 14:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Makbussy, please read the conflict of interest policy at WP:COI and make necessary disclosures. Then you can submit your draft for review and publication by adding {{subst:submit}} at the top of your draft. Please do not create the article directly as you have done, if you have a conflict of interest. Secondly, the reason the article has been tagged for speedy deletion is that the article you created did not make a case as to why the subject is notable enough to warrant a standalone article. Please read the notability criteria for companies at WP:NCORP. If the subject doesn't meet the notability criteria, no amount of editing can fix it to prevent its deletion. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Notability requirements

  Courtesy link: Mark Macias Hi,

I wanted advice on how to remove the deletion section on the Mark Macias page. It says there are issues with notability requirements and the sources are self-refs and they aren't significant enough. Can I get more explanation and help with this? Jondavis349 (talk) 15:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Jondavis349: Please join the discussion noted in the delete template here. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
You cannot remove the Deletion tag. After the discussion at AfD, an administrator will decide whether the article stays or is deleted. During the discussion period you can work on improving the article, and you can leave comments at AfD. David notMD (talk) 17:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Article Title

Hi Tea House,

Can you please assist in how one can rename or name their article or page? As it gives me a default title.

Something like this "User:Mandlanotyawa/sandbox" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandlanotyawa (talk • contribs) 18:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mandlanotyawa, and welcome to the Teahouse. You change the name of a page by moving it; however your account is too new to have that power yet: it needs to be four full days old and have at least ten edits anywhere in Wikipedia(you have made 6).
While it will be possible for you to move it to mainspace yourself in three days (assuming you have made four more edits by then) , I advise you not to do so. Writing a new article is one of the hardest tasks in Wikipedia, and while your draft is not bad for a new user, I do not think it has enough independent sources to establish that the subject is notable. Remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves, or wants to say; but only in what people who have no connection wtih the subject have chosen to say.
I have added a header to your draft with a button to submit it for review. I advise you to check the link above about notability, and also WP:Common sourcing mistakes (notability). When you think your draft is ready, you can submit it for review. If it is accepted, the reviewer will move it to main article space; if not, they will give you feedback about what you need to do. --ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Renaming a draft, whether it is in your userspace or draft space, is pointless. That can be taken care of when your article is reviewed and placed in mainspace. John from Idegon (talk) 18:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

ANI help

Is the a way to get any admins to address this complaint, currently it is just me and the other editor. - FOX 52 (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

FOX 52, many admins and non-admins routinely follow any and all discussions on that page. One admin has already commented in that discussion. Usually when no one else participates in the discussion, it either means the issue is too complex or the issue is too minor or the editors have continued their arguing in the thread too, WP:Bludgeoning the discussion and talking over each other, and no one can be bothered to sort through the mess.
All editors including admins are volunteers and they are free to ignore any issue they don't feel like getting involved with. If that happened, the discussion could get closed without action or even archived without response. My advice in this case, is to try and engage with the admin who has already commented in that thread. (Without having read the thread) It also helps if editors stop commenting once they have exhausted their arguments and have nothing to add but repeat. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion - FOX 52 (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
An administrator has spoken up in the thread, so your assertion is false. WP:NODEADLINE applies. No one gets paid here. If you want a decision, request closure at WP:AN in the appropriate place. A word of advice: That thread is mess. Sniping back and forth at each other like you have been doing isn't constructive. State your case and let the community act. Again, everyone is a volunteer. You will not encounter anyone who isn't. The community is far less likely to act in a dramatic thread. The administration does not decide what to do. The community does. The administrators simply assess the consensus and implements the community decision. Since no one (hardly) is talking but the two parties, there is no consensus to asses. Guessing you don't realize it, FOX 52, but there is no "boss" on Wikipedia. John from Idegon (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
@John from Idegon: I'm sorry I meant no disrespect to any admins/editors just came here find out if there was anything I was missing to move this along (this is my first ANI). And yes I was well aware of the comment made by User:Girth Summit, but that was "No comment on the substance". - FOX 52 (talk) 18:30, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, wasn't scolding you. I just don't waste words, so sometimes it comes off like that. Anyway, it's quite possible that thread will die without resolution. Not at all uncommon for a complaint from a newer editor. John from Idegon (talk) 19:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Probably another notability question - draft article reviewed and rejected, I disagree but would love some pointers

Hi Teahouse, I just made an article here: Jason Dunn, a biography of a living person. A reviewer left a comment detailing why the sources were inadequate: "What's left is only passing mentions of the subject in articles that he is not the main subject of.". However, I disagree - the very first source absolutely fulfils the requirements - it's a huge article from The Guardian about the person, his company, and other things. I understand that the page is not big, but surely that article alone would warrant a biography - all the other sources continue to build and confirm the person's notability within the industry sector. There's also a National Geographic short film about him, which also fulfils the requirements as I read them. Any tips to make it better or could it be reviewed again? NuvaTelcon (talk) 19:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

NuvaTelcon Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The Guardian source that you speak of is largely an interview with Dunn, meaning it isn't an independent source, and as you point out, isn't just about him personally. Sources need to be independent of the subject. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I was about to post the same. Also, that a better place for this question would e WP:AFCHELP. --ColinFine (talk) 19:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Submission was Declined, which is not as severe as Rejected. David notMD (talk)
Hey everyone, thanks for the input. Apologies for wrong place, first time editing Wikipedia, was just following links around. I'll post on WP:AFCHELP for more assistance. Cheers! NuvaTelcon (talk) 19:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Help, again!

I previously asked if there was anything I could do about the block of User:DoshNomad and was answered. I recently realized that he was blocked because he was thought to be a sockpuppet. The only evidence supporting this claim is that he re-created an article which was originally created by the user, here is the discussion. Also, there‘s some information on his talk page. Could anyone check it out? Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Rodrigo Valequez: There is a pending unblock request for that user. Probably best to just let that process work. Do you have some connection to that user, that you are trying to advocate for? RudolfRed (talk) 00:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
RudolfRed, from what I understand Rodrigo Valequez had offered to adopt DoshNomad. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:06, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

​​I’ve been helping him for some time now and I was going to adopt him. His unblock request is only asking for further information on why he was blocked. Also, he was blocked he re-created an article which was deleted because it was originally written by a paid user. A user thought he was a sockpuppet of the blocked user and reported him, he was blocked for advertising or promotion with no sockpuppet investigation. He was basically blocked because of a users claim. Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 07:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Sorry for butting in like that, but let me get this straight. The blocked sock account was created on 30 January 2020, Rodrigo's account was created four days later, on 4 February 2020. Within less than two months, these two brand new accounts, get involved through adoption, and one of them also knows the intricacies of SPIs. Is it me, or this is somehow reminiscent of a certain type of fowl? Dr. K. 20:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

What do you do when you are not autoconfirmed and want to make a redirect page?

I want to be autoconfirmed because non-autoconfirmed users cannot make a article on their own. I want to make an article that redirects to an already-existing one. If I send that through the Article Wizard,

I think the experienced people will reject my article because it is just a redirect page. The existing one is Lynx Red Line and I want "I-77 Bus Rapid Transit" (which is an nonexistent article) to redirect to it. How do I make a article that redirects to an existing one without getting autoconfirmed? Or is it possible?

16:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

3125A You only have to wait three more days to be autoconfirmed. 331dot (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
331dot Can I make a redirect page without being autoconfirmed? Or no? That is my question. 17:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
3125A. No. But you can request one at WP:AFC/R. I would oppose it: there are thousands and thousands of bus routes round the world, and many of them have the same number. Why should your 77 redirect to the line rather than any other 77? --ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine Because that bus runs on a highway called I-77. Is that enough to distinguish this line from the other 77s? 17:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
3125A Be aware that Wikipedia has editors from around the world, not all of whom may know what "I-77" refers to(an Interstate highway or what the British call a motorway). 331dot (talk) 17:32, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
331dot They could be able to distinguish it. All I know, everyone would be confused if two different highways in different countries had the same label and soon it would get fixed. That's why (I think) there aren't any at the time. 17:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Hang on, 3125A. The article Lynx Red Line says in the infobox: "I-77 Bus Rapid Transit /(Formerly Lynx Red Line)". If that's so, then rather than creating a redirect, the article should be moved to I-77 Bus Rapid Transit (which you also cannot do until you're autoconfirmed - again, you could request the move at RM. But I wonder, what's the rush?) However, I don't see any source cited for the name change. That would be an improvement to the article, as would any updates to the information (or changing the wording if there are no updates and the project is parked). --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Both ways are fine, ColinFine. 20:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Should these articles be renamed?

I noticed that John Trent (actor) is a much longer article than is John Trent (which is about a doctor who is an author). On their talk pages, the former is rated C-class, while the latter is rated stub-class. Should the pages be renamed, making the actor's page "John Trent" and the other page "John Trent (author)"? Eddie Blick (talk) 21:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Teblick, neither seems noticeably more prominent than the other, based on their achievements as well as pageviews. John Trent has 200+ pageviews; John Trent (actor) has 60+. What you propose is therefore unjustified, IMO. If nobody cares too deeply, the easy and essential minimum to do would be to link each from the other via hatnotes and leave them as is. If someone cares deeply about who gets the "John Trent" title, my opinion is that neither has a strong claim, and therefore, "John Trent" should be moved to John Trent (author), and the title "John Trent" should be turned into a disambiguation page. Article quality is mostly irrelevant as we want to direct readers to articles they are looking for, not the ones that showcases our quality work. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Teblick, what probably happened is that Author!John Trent was created first (created in 2006) while Actor!John Trent was created much more recently in 2019. I will say that I would probably nominate the author one to be deleted as I don't think it meets our guidelines for an article anymore. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Note also that Dr. John Trent is a Ph.D., not an M.D., so the title up at the top would be confusing to someone in search of an authoritative sounding source. So--how does the deletion process work? Does the author of the page get a chance to upgrade?Sicklemoon (talk) 13:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Sicklemoon, I mean, it wouldn't be wrong to refer to him as a doctor as he did complete his doctorate, but that's playing at semantics. If an article is nominated to be deleted, editors that worked on it are usually notified. The deletion policy is here, but deleting should be a last resort. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Sicklemoon, anyone including the author can improve the article to save it from deletion. Anyone unwilling to put in the work only need provide sources that prove that the subject of the article meets the notability criteria (see WP:N). The discussion lasts seven days, and if the article is substantially improved in that time, earlier arguments for deletion may no longer apply and the discussion could be closed in favour of keeping the article even if there are many delete votes from early on, or the discussion could be extended another week so a definitive consensus emerges. Basically, all a deletion debates wants to figure out is whether the subject meets the notability criteria, there is no vote counting. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Tenryuu--am learning the code of conduct here, really I don't want to waste my time with work that won't be used, so am just dropping in to follow a few conversations. Mostly am warily trying to figure out how the term sockpuppet is employed. I'm trying to contribute in areas that I actually know something about. At what point does that shades into self-interest? Obviously, there are black and white cases, but then there's that middle ground where gate-keepers can become unfair arbitrators (I'm not making accusations, this is just a sub-issue of trying to deal with current events that are fading into history). In Teblick's initial question, the tug-of-war is about titling, and who gets the first entry of a name, not the deletion question at all, of course. I would personally have referred to writer Trent as Dr. John Trent, Ph.D. reserving a Doctor without a medical license for the M.D. doctor class. I'm meditating out loud, here, Tenryuu. No need to answer unless you think my interpretation is incorrect. Thank you for the feedback.Sicklemoon (talk) 16:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Sicklemoon, WP:SOCKING is the use of multiple accounts for WP:ILLEGITIMATE purposes. I think you are thinking of WP:COI, the conflict of interest policy. Subject experts are welcome to contribute and highly appreciated too, as they are best positioned to be able to dig up, collate and summarise well, all available sources on a particular topic, which is how we build articles. Conflict of Interest applies when you may have something to gain by having the article be a certain way, such as if you are being paid to whitewash an article about a person or a company, or you want to edit articles on people you personally know about in which case you are likely to have a bias which could be reflected in your contributions, and so on. There are no gatekeepers here. This is a community that builds an encyclopedia based on consensus. Any editor acting as an administrator in a particular article/topic is not allowed to edit that article or weigh in on the content-related consensus building processes. Of course, there may be some biases based on the makeup of the whole editing community or whoever happens to participate in building a given article, but that would be because we live in an imperfect world. Any editor is also welcome to submit ideas and propose policy changes to improve the community processes that one finds imperfect. If an editor accuses/suspects that you have a conflict of interest with regard to a topic, all you need to do is deny it. The editor will then have to drop the matter and work with you constructively, or initiate a community discussion to determine whether you indeed have a conflict of interest. If the whole community gets it wrong, unfortunately, there's usually nothing that can be done (that would be one of the imperfections of the consensus based community). Finally, our WP:Naming policy provides detailed guidelines on selecting proper titles for articles, and it does not generally allow WP:TITLESINTITLES. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool Okay! Am not trying to be contentious. Just trying to figure things out. As below--not that you need to check it out--I'm working on some pieces for late 20th C. modern art. Those definitely shade into modern day galleries pushing artists from the 50s and 60s. And it definitely feels like the existing stubs were created at a time, say, when the women artists on those lists (many of whom were actively working as artists until their deaths, or who are still working in the field) were not being considered important enough to be given stubs. Again, I am not trying to be contentious, and expect to engage with moderators/administrators as/if I get involved. The only reason I'm here is--this talk/post and its questions caught my attention. In any case, thank you for the lengthy response, which I appreciate. Sicklemoon (talk) 17:50, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, all who replied to my question. I didn't know what factors were involved in determining which article should be unmodified, so I have learned about that. As usual, I appreciate the insights that this forum provides.Eddie Blick (talk) 00:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello from Pune India.

Hey Talented editors,

I am really lucky to join you people here, so I have very basic questions.

I am really loving to adding valid and reliable source and information to our Wikipedia world. What are the best practices here? What are your experience previously when you joined here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.54.191 (talk) 16:15, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse. For a basic intro to sourcing, please see Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia#Documenting sources. The rest of that page should answer some other questions you may have about best practices and how to start editing. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

notability question

  Courtesy link: Draft:Donald Rainwater

I'm working on creating a article and was flagged for notability ( I had mainstream media references). Wouldn't notability be subjective to the reader that maybe has more in common with what they're reading. For example if I create a article about a candidate running for political office in Indiana and a person from New Mexico reads it. It won't mean as much or be "notable" to them. But if a person that lives in Indiana was reading it, they would have a connection to the article, it would have more meaning to them.


thank you

Tgmod (talk) 01:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Tgmod: Welcome to the Teahouse. A glaring concern is that according to some deleted revisions, content was added to the draft which violated the copyright policy on here and was thus swiftly redacted. Notability has to meet general notability guidelines as a minimum, but as the subject in question is also a politician, WP:POLITICIAN also applies, particularly this segment:

Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline.

--Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Notability rests on the quality of the references. David notMD (talk) 03:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Help editing my company's Wikipedia page

Hi. I work at a college as a writer and editor. We are unhappy with the college's Wiki page - it is outdated, include irrelevant information and needs to be completely revamped. I was asked to take on this job by my supervisor.

Today, I went in and figured out how to edit the page, but then I got a message from someone from Wiki saying that if I am being paid to edit the page, I have to disclose it.

I am not very technically savvy and I tried, but couldn't even figure out how to reply to the person who sent the message. I think somehow - miraculously - I DID actually get the disclosure that I work at the college posted to my Wiki user page.

All of the changes I made to our page are gone. Now my supervisor is asking me to reach out to get this done, but I don't even know if it's possible. Can anyone tell me if there is a way I can get the our Wiki page revised? I'm not talking about correcting a face here and there - I'm talking about a complete rewrite.

I'm so frustrated. Thanks for any help you can give me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writerwoman56 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Writerwoman56 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for your compliance with the paid editing policy, something many new users who need to comply do not do(mostly unknowingly). Users with a conflict of interest(COI) such as yourself should generally avoid directly editing articles related to their COI, but you are allowed and encouraged to make a formal edit request on the article talk page(in this case Talk:Wilson College (Pennsylvania) detailing changes you feel are needed. Please click on these words to learn how to make an edit request. (though the particulars there will draw outside attention to your request, even if you just post on the article talk page that will be okay)
Please keep in mind that Wikipedia articles should summarize what independent reliable sources say about a subject, not what the subject might want to say about itself. Primary sources are acceptable in certain circumstances(such as in citing enrollment, who holds certain positions, etc.). Feel free to show your superiors this message. 331dot (talk) 20:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Actually, 331dot, we do need secondary sources for enrollment, at least on US schools. The information is easily available at the NCES. There's a counterpart in GB, but Canada and Australia lack a similar government repository for enrollment stats. John from Idegon (talk) 21:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I copied the paid disclosure from your Talk page to your User page, which is usually where it goes. Given paid, the path for you is to go to Talk page of the article, and in a new section there, copy the content you want to remove and provide the content you want to add it its place. With references. Other editors will approve or not. Given you want to change a lot of content, I recommend proposing a section at a time. David notMD (talk) 03:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Under unintended consequences, your bringing the article to the attention of editors here has results in the deletion of previously existing content, not just your changes. David notMD (talk) 03:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I just added 22 good sources to the article, so good things can certainly come of posting here! The college had been around for 151 years, so I imagine there are at least 50 or 100 more good sources out there. It's steeped in history, and the article could be expanded a lot in that regard. But that is best done by independent, disinterested editors as explained above.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Help with notability criteria

Full tile of the URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Danish_Renzu

Please assist with the page above... recommendation on what changes i should make for it to be approved..check comment sections made on this... i have't resubmited yet... before i resubmit want to make all changes.

Cinephile786 (talk) 02:03, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Cinephile786, I see you have added a comment asserting notability, but it is an assertion on account of not being specific. Please add a specific argument. You can use the talk page to give a detailed one. A specific argument would be: He is notable because "these WP:THREE sources take him past WP:GNG" or "[Insert claim here] (supported by these sources) is sufficient to show that he meets WP:DIRECTOR's [insert criterion]". If that doesn't convince the reviewers, it may be WP:TOOSOON for the subject to have a standalone article and it's best to just wait, since no amount of editing can compensate for lack of notability and the draft looks acceptable content-wise. Since the last WP:AFD was three years ago, you could probably ask that the draft be accepted and nominated for deletion if you believe the wider community would judge the subject notable, but AFC reviewers are quite experienced and I wouldn't bet a lot on community discussion keeping an article that AFC reviewers have repeatedly declined. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit request at Talk:Innocent Umezulike

Are there any editors who would be willing to assist with this request? The overall thread has been ongoing for over a month, while my last request has gone unanswered for 3 weeks. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 22:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Davykamanzi, it appears DGG has helped you. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Thanks for pointing that out; hadn't noticed. Looks like he made a typo when he pinged me to reply in the talk page. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 08:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding a new article to Wikipedia

Hi there!

I wonder if you can help, I am struggling to add a new article in Wikipedia.org that doesn't exist but I don't understand how I get started. There is an art school in the south of Sweden called The Swedish Academy of Realist Art. It is only listed on Wikipedia.se not Wikipedia.org. I also have a picture I would like to add. The school I can see is listed on Art Schools around the world, but when you click on it (its in red) it doesn't exist. I think it should exist and I would like to add just a small text and factual description of the School. Are you able to help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longstocking2020 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Longstocking2020: welcome to the Teahouse! Different language versions of Wikipedia have different policies and guidelines, and I can't comment on Swedish Wikipedia since I'm not familiar with their requirements for articles. However, I can say that the article at Swedish Wikipedia (here) would not be accepted in English Wikipedia, since there are no secondary sources at all. Wikipedia articles should summarise what sources that are not connected to the topic say about it. Sources do not have to be in English, but have to be independent. This might mean articles in Dagens Nyheter or even Sydsvenskan, or it might be a feature in a specialist publication for art; if the school has been discussed (beyond a mere mention) in Kulturnyheterna or some other radio programme, that could also work as a source. If you read the information here (which deals with creating a new article, for new editors), you will get some idea of what is required – several independent sources discussing the subject in depth. If you do have those sources, create a draft article; a good idea is to use the Article wizard to create a draft which can then be reviewed by an experienced editor to see if it could be moved to the main encyclopedia.
Finally, please review this information and, if you are editing on behalf of the school, make the mandatory disclosure. Thank you! --bonadea contributions talk 09:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Help to become Smithsonian editor

Hi can someone please guide me to on steps for how to become a smithsonian digital volunteer for wikipedia editing. I have never edited any wikipedia article before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.231.235 (talk)

I don't know what it takes to be affiliated with the Smithsonian, but anyone may become a volunteer editor by simply being here and editing. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello IP editor. Welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. I think if you want to know about becoming a volunteer at the Smithsonian Institution's transcription project, you should start at their website at https://transcription.si.edu/about
If their plan is to link knowledge held at the Smithsonian with Wikipedia, then, yes, you will need to know how to edit Wikipedia. But I suspect that will come second. When you're ready to get started, please take the time to start slowly, making small edits to minor things like typos and grammar, before attempting to link to external sources and so forth. You will find Help:Introduction to Wikipedia a good place to start. Do think about registering for a free Wikipedia account, and remember that we're always here to help new editors improve their skills. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

conflict of interest

what is the conflict of interest and why do i need to address this for my wikipedia submission? Also, if i have no affiliation with the person how to i address this problem — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumayya.fayyaz (talk • contribs) 07:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sumayya.fayyaz, the relevant policies were linked to, in the comment that notified you of them. Did you go through those policy pages? The draft gives a strong impression of conflict-of-interest editing. You may be the subject, their relative, family, friend, a student looking to impress him, a colleague or a paid employee; any one of those or other similar reasons that may potentially compromise an editor's neutrality and objectivity with regard to the subject constitutes a conflict of interest. If you have one, you need to make disclosures (instructions at WP:COI\WP:PAID). If you don't have a conflict, all you need to do is make an explicit denial. However, note that the community could decide, via a discussion, that you do indeed have a conflict of interest, even if you deny, and if that happens you may be banned from editing certain topics until you disclose the nature of your conflict. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

could you guide me on how to do this? explicit denial that you mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumayya.fayyaz (talk • contribs) 08:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sumayya.fayyaz, You just make a statement usually in reply to the query. In this case, you were asked as a comment on your draft. So, the talk page of the draft would be appropriate. Your userpage would be the most transparent place, where you could simply state you have no conflict of interest with regard to any contributions you have made to Wikipedia. I have added the standard conflict of interest query on your user talk page. You can post your denial as a reply to that as well. Your call. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@Sumayya.fayyaz: Please sign your messages on talk pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:
This is the last line of the message. ~~~~
The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps keep conversations organized. Thanks!. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I want to enquire about the delay in publishing my article

Dear Wikipedia,

I would like understand why there is a delay in publishing an article I posted in December 2019.

The article is on the topic: B.PAC

Do I need to make edits in the content? Does the content not fit your description? Please let me about the issues you are facing.

I would like the article to be published ASAP.

Thank you Aparna Pathak — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparnapthk72 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Aparnapthk72: Your draft submission was last reviewed and declined on December 20. If you'd like another review, you need to re-submit the article (you can click the blue Resubmit button in the red review box). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 08:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Draft:B.PAC. After you resubmit it, there may be a period of weeks to months before a reviewer decides to review it (there is always a backlog of 4,000+ drafts to review). David notMD (talk) 10:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A little format issue at certain page

Hi, could someone please kindly help out here? At the recently created article, Savage (Megan Thee Stallion song), the References section somehow landed under the Charts section. I'm not sure how this happened and I've tried to resolve it, without success. Some help would be greatly appreciated to fix it. AshMusique (talk) 08:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

AshMusique, looks fine to me. The artist template is supposed to go below the references. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, thank you for responding. However, that's not the issue. The problem is that the references section is grouped together as a subsection under the Charts section. And when you click on it, it appears as some kind of format issue, I assume. I should've probably worded it better in my initial post here. AshMusique (talk) 10:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
AshMusique, you created the references section yesterday and fixed the issue there was; the article currently doesn't have any formatting issues. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool it does... Yeah, I'm not sure how I did it, but the References section heading itself is much smaller than the other section headings, thus making it a subsection under the Charts section. It's especially notable on mobile Wikipedia, but even when comparing it to other song articles (on mobile or desktop), you'll see it differs and is not the standard. AshMusique (talk) 10:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@AshMusique and Usedtobecool: The Charts section had markup that is used to start column layout but there was no ending markup (nor need for columns). I removed it, which may fix the problem you were seeing (there was no change visible to me using the Vector desktop skin on Windows/Firefox). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much, AlanM1. It is fixed now. Much appreciated. AshMusique (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey, thanks AlanM1, and my apologies to AshMusique. My browser (Chrome/Win10) doesn't see the difference; it did not occur to me to check the source code. Glad it's been sorted! Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

New editor has a question

Hi, I'm new here. I was invited to come visit the Teahouse, so here I am. What would you recommend is a good way to start editing Wikipedia?Daisydeedle (talk) 11:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Daisydeedle, Welcome to Wikipedia! I suggest reading the introduction before you start. It's often useful to start with articles you know about, so maybe try this link to see articles about places near you. Try starting small, fixing grammatical errors before making big edits, overtime you'll pick up the policies for Wikipedia. If you want a more in-depth tutorial click here. You might want to ask a more experienced editor to adopt you; they'll guide you on the ropes of Wikipedia. Hope this helps! — Yours, Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ • Talk∕Contribs 12:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Daisydeedle, welcome to the Teahouse! I have left you one of the standard welcome messages on your talkpage. You should find many of the links included in the message helpful, as you get started. I looked at a few of your edits so far, and they seem fine to me. The substantial edits you made, you have included reliable sources to support content. So, it appears to me you are doing just fine. Perhaps, you would like to find articles that interest you and improve them, or create new articles from scratch, or you might find fighting vandalism, correcting typos or copyediting articles more up your alley. Wikipedia could do with your help in any and all of those areas. Perhaps, you would like to join a WP:WikiProject. I see that you are interested in rating articles. You might find WP:RATER useful to help you do that easily.
My advice is to be WP:BOLD but to take it slow. Make a few edits and wait sometime to see if someone objects to what you've been doing, and adjust with feedback, accordingly. If you don't vandalise, violate WP:Copyright or the Biography of living persons policy, there isn't much you can do wrong with your BOLD edits. Seek help when you encounter a problem. I think you'll find all (almost) experienced editors very welcoming and helpful. Good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

multiple language sandbox on meta.wikimedia

i would like to create or configure multiple languages sandboxes on meta.wikimedia. all sandboxes at one place.

for example: english and espanol.

is this possible ? if yes, please point me to documentation or an example.

AND please dont suggest changing css or js files. i dont want to mess with them. Leela52452 (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: At this point in time, such a thing is not possible. It would require that someone cares enough to implement it, which I think will not happen. Anyway, you are free to create a sanbox in your userspace, which you can edit in as many languages as you like. —guywan (talk • contribs) 14:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi teahipuse

hi teahouse. i needed to write the republic of latvia because i copied it from dutch wikipedia and spanish is the wikipedia with most info related to that. we need help in this article. --Khalid Al-Salom (talk) 03:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

The article Latvia exists, with a history section that covers what you propose. Why do you believe that Draft:Republic of Latvia (1918-40) deserves to be a separate article? David notMD (talk) 03:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Khalid Al-Salom, WP:WikiProject Latvia is the place where editors interested in collaborating on articles related to Latvia come together. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
You can delete the article if you want, --Khalid Al-Salom (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

New article?

  FYI
 – Section created by Tenryuu. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 04:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

What is one way that I can get the article for "Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip" created? What do I need to put for it to be approved? I am very confused on what I need to do. Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

@Beatleswillneverdie: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're looking to create a new article (which is one of the hardest things to do on here), you may want to read WP:YFA to see what is acceptable on Wikipedia and start a draft. I suggest using the Article Wizard linked there. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 04:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@Beatleswillneverdie: Have you read the comments left by the reviewer, Robert McClenon, (and the links) on the draft? The problem is that you have not demonstrated notability of the song. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

How would I tell about the notability about the “Gallons of rubbing alcohol” and “Even in his youth”. They did not chart anywhere. But songs like “I hate myself and want to die” didn’t chart anywhere either and they have articles. What do I do to include something notable? Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Beatleswillneverdie, a lot of CRAP exists on Wikipedia as the project is huge and experienced editors too few to safeguard all the cracks. That would be a reason to remove unacceptable articles, not add to the pile. A music-related subject must meet WP:NMUSIC as demonstrated with reliable sources. Otherwise, it doesn't deserve an article. A redirect to the artist is usually accepted though. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:37, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Both Even in his youth and Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip are redirects to the albums, With the Lights Out and In Utero (album). If the songs have not charted, then they do not satisfy musical notability themselves. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

edit of user name

please guide how to edit of user name in the account.

regards Suresh Lal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsureshlal (talk • contribs) 18:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Bsureshlal You may change your username at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. 331dot (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding galleries

Can I add galleries to roller coaster articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Free Fly Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Free Fly Spinner Maybe, you can find some guidance at WP:GALLERY. I see that for example Steel Force has a gallery, so it's not an obviously bad idea. Of course, WP takes copyright very seriously, so you can not use random pictures found on the internet. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Translated foreign text in footnotes

Hi! Relatively new (since December) editor. I have been re-doing HIV/AIDS in China after discovering it was almost entirely plagiarized from copyrighted material. I learned that quotations from non-English sources should be translated, so I've been going back and doing that. I use the sfn method primarily. My question is, is there an elegant way to keep both the source and translated text in an sfn ps parameter, or is there some other standard for handling this? Currently, the best option seems to be adding the Chinese translation in parentheses, but that is still included in the quotation marks (e.g. Li 2012: "I like to read Wikipedia (我喜欢看维基百科)"), which, while not a huge deal, is a minor annoyance. I did not find anything in my look through the sfn template page myself. Thanks! WhinyTheYounger (talk) 19:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

WhinyTheYounger, I looked around; didn't find anything beyond "Include translations for non-English quotes". People who work on WP:FA projects could probably give best guidance (SandyGeorgia's one of them, I think), or you could ask at WT:REF if no one here gives a definitive answer. For mere mortals, I am of the opinion that using common sense is usually enough; no need to go hunting for content guidelines not found in the usual places. My own "common sense" is that the original quote comes first, followed by the English translation in brackets (e.g. Li 2012: "我喜欢看维基百科 [I like to read Wikipedia]" or Li 2012: "我喜欢看维基百科 [translation:I like to read Wikipedia]"; text added by yourself within another quotation is put in square brackets). The important thing is that they are there and presented in a way accessible to humans. The rest comes when someone else who knows better comes across it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
WhinyTheYounger, first, some basic info, a lot of which you may already know.
Wikipedia's policy on non-English sources is at WP:NONENG, so the first thing is to use an English-language source when available and of equal quality and relevance. (I speak Spanish and edit Venezuelan topics, and know that equivalent sources are not always available in English.)
Second, I am not surprised that you are finding plagiarism, and it is an ongoing struggle to get editors to understand that direct translations from one language to another are also plagiarism or copyvio, so be sure to be watchful for that as well. If you run into copyvio concerns that you don't know how to resolve, I suggest that you contact Diannaa. If there is a lot of copyvio in that article, it may need admin attention to hide (revdel) the old insertions even if you have corrected them.
Third, since you are editing a medical topic, and you are new, just a reminder to be aware of WP:MEDRS. Laypress and news sources are rarely reliable for medical content. The best way to find reliable medical sources (in English, at least) is via Pubmed and is outlined at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-30/Dispatches. I also just added a template to the talk page at HIV/AIDS in China that might help. Once you get the Pubmed identifier (PMID) from a Pubmed secondary review, you can plug that PMID into the template filler and get a formatted cite journal template. I am unaware if you have other peer-reviewed medical sources in Chinese, or if PUBMED covers good Chinese sources.
Fourth, are you familiar with the language templates? When you need to use a translation in text (that is, different from the footnote question), you can use a template as I did at Statute Governing the Transition to Democracy (first line). See Template:Lang; I am not sure which is the code for Chinese.
And finally to your question about footnotes. I do not use the sfn method, because I hate it, but I can tell you that handling non-English sources and quotes within the citation templates is very easy. In the citation template, there is even a parameter for translating the title. Just add trans-title to the citation template, and put the English-language translation there. You can see extensive samples at Coropuna. Looking at your recent edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HIV/AIDS_in_China&diff=947409834&oldid=947345087 The way you handled the translation in the quote parameter is fine. The only thing you might do differently is add the trans-title parameter, but the way you handled it works as well. One way I deal with the irritation factor is to add a break between the English and the non-English. I left a sample edit for you here, but please revert if you don't like the look. I noticed that is a news source, which is not a reliable source for that content. So, between sorting out any old plagiarism, and converting the article to WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, you have your hands full!
Be sure to have a look at both WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS. And be aware that, because of the COVID-19 pandemic, there are few medical editors with any free time to help you these days. Feel free to stop by my talk page any time ... I edit in Spanish and I edit medical topics, mostly in featured content. I am not always around, but others who watch my talk page may help you if I'm not. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you both for your responses! I'll experiment with what works best over the next couple of days, good to know there wasn't just some quick fix I was missing. Adding a break between the translation and the original text seems like a good solution.
And thank you SandyGeorgia for the pointers. To clarify, the entire article was plagiarized from four or so sources, mainly one English journal article (including a meticulous copy of each and every citation...). I deleted all of the offending text as I discovered it and have more or less rewritten the article, which wasn't exactly my original plan. I noted the plagiarism as I discovered and deleted it in edit summaries and posted a summary of the issue on the talk page, which I hope was a decent way of going about it.
I'm definitely going to make sure I'm using as accurate sourcing as possible, and appreciate the links to medical Wikipedia. Side note about the use of news sources: thank you for the reminder, I've been trying to go back and replace things with more authoritative sources as I go. That one in particular though is from Xinhua, the state news agency, and provided the summary of the full report that I could not find online. The Chinese government often only gives public summaries of meetings and high-level reports without making the full text available, frustratingly, so I had to go with that. Most medical literature I've seen also just refers to these same numbers, for better or for worse. I'll see if WP:MEDRS and/or WP:CHINA have a consensus on how to handle such bare data from the government. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 17:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Good luck to you, WhinyTheYounger; sorry I am much too busy to be of much help (with Introduction to viruses running on the main page in a few hours). If the plagiarism is as bad on that article as you say, then Diannaa will probably want to engage there and help you learn how to track down the copyvio edits, and identify them so that she can WP:REVDEL them. They have to be hidden from the article history, even though you are correcting the current text. It is also important to determine if one editor made most of the copyvio, so that editor's contribs can be checked overall. For that, you have to learn how to use the Wikiblame tool for locating old additions. Another place you can post questions for technical help is WP:VPT. Keep up the good work! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
WP:VPT is a good place if something seems broken. This page or the Wikipedia:Help desk is better if you don't know how what to do (e.g., how to format something). WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Referencing problems

Hi, I am trying to write an entry about a small Rock Band, who are know around the world to followers of their genre. My difficulty is referencing facts, as there is little in the form historical news to reference and all the current press is small/specialist online articles. This doesn't seem to fit into the reliable sources require, even though I have based the referencing on articles already accepted by Wikipedia.

Am I wasting everyones time doing it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew Forber (talk • contribs)

Andrew Forber Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A band merits an article on Wikipedia if it receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable band. Sources that just confirm the existence of the band or its music, routine announcements, or other brief mentions are not acceptable for establishing notability. If the band does not have significant coverage, it would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 19:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


Hello Andrew Forber! Per WP:BAND/WP:GNG, it does sound like it. What you want for an article to "stick" are several references that are at the same time reliably published, independent of the topic and addresses the topic directly and in detail. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


MOKABY, the passenger( lalala)

So, I made an article about my current favorite artist, MOKABY because he is a budding artist here in Germany and naturally, there is not much known about him but he is widely search. His single The passenger is in the trending charts right now and I was curious why nothing is written about him. So I contacted him and asked some personal questions so I can write about him at wiki since I know Im not the only one searching about him but this is my first wiki article and I don‘t really know what else is to be in the article or what qualifies as a "notable artist" when you are the first one to write about a budding artist. If someone can tell me, or like list the things i need to do or post criteria -even self-mades ones- on how to make an article for artist that are still starting to gain fame, it would be so much appreciated and a great help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahngaelou (talk • contribs) 17:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sarahngaelou, I'm sorry, but if not much has been published about the artist, then he is not notable in Wikipedia's sense, and an article about him will not be accepted. Wikipedia is based on what has been said in reliable published independent sources, not on what people say about themselves. Even if you get your interview with him published, it won't count as independent, and so can't be used in a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Also see WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I wish to post an image

I am new to Wikipedia editing and limit myself to the sandbox. I wish to post an image, which has been uploaded to Wikipedia: Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dtomanek.jpg

I am using the template 

{{Infobox academic
| image              = Dtomanek
| image_size         = 500px

and can not see the picture, even if I link it with

File:Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dtomanek.jpg

What am I doing wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.Tomanek (talk • contribs) 19:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello David.Tomanek! Try to use [[File:Dtomanek.jpg|thumb|Dtomanek]] as you see it written here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@David.Tomanek: Fixed. Per Template:Infobox academic#Parameters, Image. Use the name of the image file only, i.e. do not include "File:". I also blanked the image_size parameter, as the template documentation says it should not normally need to be specified manually. If you haven't already, please familiarize yourself with our policies on creating an article about yourself. Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:17, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
David.Tomanek: unfortunately, there's a copyright problem with that image. According to its summary information, "Student photographer at ISTCP-X conference in Norway provided this picture to me." But that student did not (so far as Wikipedia is aware) transfer their copyright in the image to you, so you don't have the right to release the copyright for its use in Wikipedia. This must sound pedantic. On my own website, I would happily use the image, in the certainty that no-one will sue me, and even if they do I can just apologise and take it down. But Wikipedia, with millions of images, can't afford to take that attitude. I would encourage you to find someone who can both use a camera and upload the image to Wikipedia themself (ok, in the present unfortunate circumstances that may not be possible for a couple of months). Or better, ask them to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, so that it can also be used on French Wikipedia, Polish Wikipedia, etc. Maproom (talk) 20:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Your draft will likely be declined, as the only references provided so far are to content written by you, versus content ABOUT you, written by people independent from you. David notMD (talk) 20:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi David.Tomanek. A couple of things. First, please take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Writing about yourself, family, friends. In general, it tends to be fairly hard for most people to write a new Wikipedia article from scratch since there's quite a number of policies and guidelines that need to be navigated through before such an article can be accepted; however, trying to write an article about yourself of someone/something you're connected to can be even harder because it's often hard to adhere to things like Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. People don't start to write an article with the intent of violating some policy and guideline, but new users or others who might be focused too much on the subject of the article who are only editing to create an article about it might unintentionally move in a direction that's not really suitable for Wikipedia. Trying to create an article about yourself is not expressly forbidden, but it's highly discourage because it pretty hard to do so and lots of such efforts end up being deleted simply because they are not in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines. Wikipedia articles are generally only supposed to be written about subjects which meet Wikipedia:Notability and the subject's Wikipedia notability or lack thereof which mainly determines whether an article about it will survive deletion. In you case, the relative notability guidelines are going to be Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Notability (academics); if after reading through those guidelines, you still feel you meet "Wikipedia:Notability", then you can try writing and article; however, you might instead be better of trying to get someone else (perhaps by asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Science and academia to write it instead. You should also read Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia because regardless of who creates the article, neither you nor that person will have any real final editorial control over it once it actually becomes an article; in other words, anyone anywhere in the world can technically edit the article at anytime and their edits will be evaluated solely on whether they are in accordance with relevant policies and guideline regardless of whether you approve of them. If after reading this you want to pursue creating the article yourself, my suggestion to you is to move what you've done so far to the draft namespace and then submit the draft to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready. If you're not sure how to do this, just ask for help here at the Teahouse and someone will do it for you.

Regarding the photo you uploaded to Commons, as pointed out above, you're going to need the consent of the person who took the photo to do that. It's the person who takes a photo, not the subject of the photo, who is considered the copyright holder; so, even if that student did send you that photo and said use it as you please, that would still not be sufficient per c:Commons:Licensing. This is because the way you licensed the file means that anyone anywhere in the world can basically download the file at anytime and use it as they please without your permission or the student's permission. So, for this reason, Commons is going to need to get direct consent from the photographer that they understand all of this and agree to it. For information on how to do this, please take a look at c:Commons:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Posting of own pages -- University Faculty persons

I do not want to sound pretentious, but as University Professor I do understand much about publishing and copyright issues. I am new as Wikipedia editor, but not as author (https://nanoten.com/tomanek/publications.html). I wish to thank Marchjuly and quite a few others for comments. In response to the useful comments, I tried to update my picture Dtomanek.jpg that I posted. I tried to delete the old one or to replace it, but did not succeed. (I will also get the required permission by asking the author to upload to Wikimedia).

1. Could you tell me how I could replace the picture of concern?

2. I have seen discouraging notes to post a page of my own. But this is what many University professors are doing now. (I got several proposals from India to post on my behalf, for money I guess..) I followed other pages by my colleagues and do not believe to violate any rules (I post verifiable links to publications, honors, ...)

3. Do I really have to wait 4 months until this baby version is approved? I wish to update, of course. My baby version reflects why my name has been quite well known 20 years ago... — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.Tomanek (talk • contribs) 22:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Dear Dr. Tomanek,
1. You should do so through the interface on Commons. On the Commons page of the image, you can scroll down to see the version history of the image and underneath a link to upload a new version.
2. You should not post an article on yourself. If you're notable by Wikipedia's standards someone else will eventually make an article on you. We are not a home page provider, and if other professors are making articles on themselves they are in violation of policy. However, you may create your own user page by clicking here and saying some stuff about yourself as it applies to Wikipedia (your encyclopedic interests, etc.).
3. I don't understand what you're talking about here. The Articles for Creation process currently has a backlog that can span a couple of months; while this is unfortunate, there's not really anything we can do about it.
Hope this helps!
– John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@David.Tomanek: Please sign your messages on talk pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:
This is the last line of the message. ~~~~
The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps keep conversations organized. Thanks! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Article moved to draftspace Draft:David Tománek. I'm not that familiar with guidelines for establishing academic notability, except I know that we look up how much the subject's work is cited, using tools like Google Scholar. The article appears to not be overly promotional, despite being a violation of the WP:COI guidelines. @David.Tomanek: - as frustrating as it may seem, you provided no sources for your biographical info, and so if we were to let the content go unchallenged, there's no way to verify if it's true. That's why the WP:CIO guidelines exist in the first place - to prevent people from making things up that become part of the encyclopedia. So someone more familiar with academic notability including page citation counts is going to have to verify notability. Then, someone will have to look for sources that other people wrote about you to substantiate the biographical info. Otherwise, this will not be approved. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@David.Tomanek and Timtempleton: I would just observe that it is not a violation of our policies for a professor to write an AUTOBIOGRAPHY on themselves, though (see WP:YOURSELF) it is very strongly discouraged by all of us here. Our founder, Jimmy Wales, observes that: "it is a social faux pas to write about yourself", and getting neutrality is never easy. Might I advise you, David, to put a clear notice on your userpage which declares your Conflict of Interest, and just add a couple of lines there to state who you are, and your area of interest/expertise in editing Wikipedia? (Follow that link to see how to do it, please.) Then, I'd suggest you remove all content in your draft which could potentially be challenged (e.g. academic history) that is based either upon your own personal knowledge of yourself, or any website you manage yourself. (Stating your ethnic origins, based upon your own website is just inside the bounds of what's OK, I feel). University biographies of academic staff are quite acceptable a sources of information about you, as they are deemed to have had oversight by the university, and could not be deemed self-promotional. Can you use such content as sources in your draft please? I do believe you meet our notability criteria for your APS fellowship and professorial position (see Wikipedia:Notability (academics)).
I would comment that one of own my adoptees here is a retired professor of marine geophysics, and that I have eventually managed to wean him away from the academic's approach of crediting everyone in his teams, and focussing in his writings only on getting the core subject across clearly. So, I'll make two final suggestions. Firstly, having added citations to independent sources about your academic history, please remove the trivial detail of who you did your post-doctoral research under. I really don't deem this as key to any article and, in this encyclopaedia, sometimes "less is more". Secondly, my adoptee has gone on to make some highly useful edits to Wikipedia articles within his sphere of expertise. I have done my best to steer him along the best route to sharing that knowledge in a way formatted and acceptable to Wikipedia's approach to information sharing. So, I would invite you to consider some unofficial 'quid pro quo' by offering to comment on articles here on Wikipedia within your sphere of knowledge. You could make a great contribution. That said, my goodness, it is extraordinarily hard to get highly technical experts to only write content for this encyclopaedia that is clear, easily understood and suitable for a generally well-educated readership (e.g. 1st year undergraduate), and not their fellow PhD-endowed colleagues. So, making suggestions on an article's talk page is an extremely good way for an expert like you to alert other editors to issues and errors in articles that need addressing, or to flag up new and better sources of information. Bringing academic experts and experienced Wikipedia editors together to work collaboratively is something that benefits absolutely everyone and you would be welcome to seek support from an adopter/ mentor if you do decide you would like to stay and share your knowledge here. We also have groups of editors who work together to improve subject areas, so please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)  

Help!

User:Lil rat man has been vandalising Emma, I’ve warned him but nothing came of it. Could something be done about this? Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez(🗣) 23:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Report vandalism at the vandalism noticeboard if it is vandalism. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Vandal reported. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, @Rodrigo Valequez:. You successfully warned the editor, and with the right level of warning notices. Good job. They have not edited since, so there was no need to go further. If they do, they will be blocked, and you can then report them to WP:AIV for administrator action, not here. Just a note that their edits to Emma were not defamatory, as there is no named individual there that could be defamed. It was a puerile edit which we simply class as 'Vandalism'. Thanks for your interest in keeping Wikipedia free from stupid edits. The principle to follow is to report a user if they continue after the fourth warning, though I notice that another admin has just blocked them anyway. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:04, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Nick Moyes, User:Rodrigo Valequez - A human editor can use Twinkle to file a report at the vandalism noticeboard if the vandal has been given three warnings, or if the vandal is coming off block, or if the account is a vandalism-only account. The idea is that a new editor who makes some constructive edits and also engages in vandalism will be warned, and will then be blocked for a few days. An editor who has done nothing but vandalism will be blocked quickly. In this case the vandal had made only three edits, but all of them were vandalism. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
I said to report vandalism at the vandalism noticeboard if it is vandalism, because a few editors will yell vandalism when they disagree with another editor. There are other constructive ways to resolve a content dispute, such as by discussion or a Third Opinion, and yelling vandalism when there is no vandalism is a personal attack. (Do not call the fire department when there is no fire.) This was vandalism. This was a reasonable place to ask what to do about vandalism. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Why does it say "You can edit this" when you can't?

I've looked into User:Jimbo Wales. He says that everyone could edit his page. But for some reason I have to be autoconfirmed to edit it. Perhaps someone will change that or will or the admins will remove the autoconfirmed protection?

01:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

It's due to Vandalism --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
And we rarely edit eachothers user pages to correct inaccuracies. Everyone can edit the page most of the time. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

question

I read an article can be notable if it "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it. This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries." I have included references from books, articles, and many more. Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Beatleswillneverdie, what is your question? If this is in relation to the draft you were asking about earlier today, please post there and not make a third section. Have you read Robert McClenon's comments? --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Beatleswillneverdie didn't ask a question, but they restated an important part of general notability guidelines. I did say, in rejecting your draft, that you could discuss Rejection and notability criteria at the Teahouse. In my opinion, the draft, as currently written does not show that that hidden track satisfies that criterion. However, you should make the case that it does either on the talk page of the draft or on the talk page of the album. We can answer any questions that you have about how to interpret notability guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy link Draft:Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip

Lucien Thévet page

I'd like to thank the various editors who have responded to my questions as I've been setting up my page about French horn player Lucien Thévet, since this was the first time I've tried to create a Wikipedia page. I've gone through the text and weeded out the subjective adjectives to make the entries more encyclopedic, as directed. The text itself was translated from the Lucien Thévet page on the French version of Wikipedia, which was created by Thévet's daughter, Françoise. Since I'm a French translator and a former horn player, she asked me to translate the French text and create an English-language version. Having also written my 1996 Master's thesis on the French school of horn playing as personified by Lucien Thévet, which was based on videotaped interviews I did with him in the early 1990s, I am very familiar with his career and have tried to provide the necessary references in the footnotes. If there are still any statements which you find to be problematic, please let me know as I'd like to make the English version available on Wikipedia as soon as is feasible. Thank you!Corniste6367 (talk) 22:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Corniste6367. Drafts don't automatically get upgraded to article status after a certain amount of time has passed, they need to be WP:MOVED to the article namespace by someone. There are generally two ways in which this is done: (1) the creator of the article or someone else moves the draft to the article namespace or (2) the draft is submitted to Wikipedia:Articles for creation (or AfC), where it's reviewed by an AfC reviewer who will move the draft to the article mainspace if it's approved as an article. You're not required to submit your draft for review, but generally doing so is a good idea if you're not very familiar with Wikipedia or how Wikipedia articles are written, particularly if you're not familiar with the concept of Wikipedia:Notability and how it's assessed. The fact that an article about Thévet already exists on French Wikipedia doesn't mean that one about him should also exist of English Wikipedia because each Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines and the ones for English Wikipedia tend to be much more restrictive when it comes to Wikipedia notability than perhaps some other Wikipedia projects. In addition, the fact that the French Wikipedia article was created by Thévet's daughter is also of some concern per WP:COISELF.
Anyway, if you truly think that Thévet meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles, then my suggestion would be for you to submit the draft to AfC for review. AfC reviewers generally don't approve drafts about subjects clearly not considered to be Wikipedia notable, but when they do decline a draft they almost always explain why and suggest things that need to be approved. Although there are no 100% guarantees, drafts approved via AfC do seem to be less likely to be nominated for deletion than those moved by their creators to the article namespace without any formal review. The choice is ultimately yours, but if you'd like to submit the draft for AfC review, you can add Template:AFC submission to the top of the draft and then follow the template's instructions.
Finally, one thing you should understand is that regardless how the draft ends up in the mainspace, once it's there it can be edited by anyone at anytime as long as their edits comply with relevant policies and guidelines; it can even be nominated or tagged for deletion if someone believes there are problems with it that are too serious to be fixed. So, neither you nor Thévet's daughter will have any final editorial control over the article content as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content and any disagreements you may have with others about the article will need to be resolved through Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Wikipedia:Consensus. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Changing my user name

Hello, I work for James Fortune, and just created a page for him. I would like to change the user name to just James Fortune, not with — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesfortune47 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Jamesfortune47! User:Jamesfortune47 is your userpage, it's basically meant for telling people a little about what you like to do on WP an maybe a little about yourself. Please take the time to read WP:PAID, WP:COI, WP:BLP and WP:YFA carefully. Short version: Writing articles about people you work for is almost always a bad idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Wrong use of User page: Putting article-like content on your User page is not a short-cut to creating an article, and will lead to its deletion. As noted by G (above), if you want to attempt an article, you will have to comply with paid and COI. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Deleted, and editor blocked until doing a name change. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip

The draft draft:Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip was rejected because it didn’t have enough references. I have been told if I added more and better references for the article it could be considered notable. Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Do you have a question, or a request; and if so, what is it? -- Hoary (talk) 00:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hoary, A request. I want to see if the references I put in the draft are reliable enough to make it notable to make it an article. Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Courtesy: B is asking here because the draft was Rejected, and the rejecting reviewer suggested taking the question to Teahouse. The song in question was a hidden track on some CD versions of Nirvana's In Utero (album). David notMD (talk) 00:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
My reading of the musical notability guidelines is that a song is considered notable if the song has charted, and that individual songs are usually not otherwise considered notable. My more general comment is that there is a common myth in Wikipedia that the key to acceptance of anything is to get enough references. My reading of Wikipedia guidelines in general is that references are a necessary but not sufficient condition, and that it isn't always enough to add more references. At the same time, if other editors think that this song satisfies general notability guidelines based on discussion of the song or hidden track in reliable sources, I am willing to remove the rejection and consider accepting the draft. So my question is whether other editors advise me to accept the draft based on general notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. But I'll leave the matter to somebody who's a lot more familiar than me with the sourcing of material about rock music. -- Hoary (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I hope it will go through. I put a lot of hours doing research and finding a lot references. Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

A thought - on the Talk page for In Utero (album) create a new section and in it ask if Draft:Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip is article-worthy. David notMD (talk) 10:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Bestleswillneverdie. None of the current references are both substantial and independent. The Gaar book is the closest to it, and in combination with other substantial independent sources would help; but half a paragraph on its own is not enough. (I have no access to the other Gaar book: if that has more substantial coverage of that track, that might do it (though the fact that they're both from the same author would lessen the breadth). Please have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Pinging Beatleswillneverdie again, because I got the name wrong. --ColinFine (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, The “In Utero” book tells the origin of the song very well. I also see it used on other Nirvana articles. Beatleswillneverdie ([[User

Thanks to Wikipedia editors

I realize now that Wikipedia is a group of friendly, willing volunteers -- I got 6 responses to my post. Answering one suggestions -- I can and would help. Right now, the learning curve of dos and donts makes this less attractive. The public is unaware of new developments such as 2D materials beyond graphene. See a top publication in the filed of Physics, Phys. Rev. Applied: https://journals.aps.org/prapplied/collections/two-dimensional-materials I *may* write on that topic if I am not asked to prove how notable I am and wait for others to write about me. My colleague got the same feedback from a federal funding agency the year he got the Nobel Prize. I expect that Wikipedia has few editors in Science or Physics -- we are all very busy. Just FYI (for whoever reads this) -- a current measure of scientific impact in Physics, Chemistry, Engineering is the h-index. It is neutral and not disputed. ... I wonder if I should invest more time with this project while putting other urgent projects aside. I am not using a pseudonym. As expected, I sign with David.Tomanek (talk) 02:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Your quesitons sounds like a rhetorical question. FWIW, Wikipedia has many editors interested in science and physics. The h-index, which you mention above, is frequently employed to asses notability of some articles on academics.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Me, Me, Me! I am a scientist, too. None of us have to be Wikipedia-notable to create or edit articles, and in fact are dissuaded from stating our science credentials as evidence of our edits being true. Content has to rest on reliable source references. Most sci journals qualify. There are disputes over journals that are predatory publishing. David notMD (talk) 10:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
David, have you discovered Wikipedia:WikiProject Science yet? - X201 (talk) 10:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
And Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics of course. - X201 (talk) 10:44, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@David.Tomanek: And Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Science and academia, and OLED scientist Jess Wade who, as User:Jesswade88, has made huge contributions here too, creating one new article a day on notable women scientists for the last two years or so. I would reinforce the point that being noteworthy to have an article about oneself (and I do feel you'll meet those criteria) and being able to contribute to Wikipedia articles is totally different. The skill set us non-notable people have as good editors is the ability to ignore what we personally know, and only to collate and communicate what can be found in properly published and verifiable sources. It's the opposite of academia where Original Research is encouraged, and the sign of a good scientist. Here we frown on it, and remove it, leaving only what independent sources have written about that research. But I am so glad you found us friendly and helpful. Communicating by what is, in effect, a text message, inevitably sounds far more curt and unwelcoming than it is. Every environment has its do's and don't - including the science laboratory, and the highway. The trick is never to set off too fast in any new place, and to take small steps, learning as one goes. Those who rush to create great things here usually fail because they've not taken the time to take one step at a time, or to watch, listen and learn from their mistakes. Many new editor get terribly upset when, what they see as a helpful edit, gets almost immediately undone. The reverting editor is usually quite happy to explain why they did so (assuming their 'edit summary' isn't self explanatory), and there's usually a good reason which isn't always obvious to the editor at first. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
I am with Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine, have raised medicine/health articles to Good Article status, have not yet created an article and am definitely not myself an article-notable candidate. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Edits on Fisher Investments

Hi,

I had made some constructive edits on the page Fisher Investments including adding sourced information and some content re-arrangement of existing content. My edit summary clearly mentions what changes I have done. Within 3 minutes an editor reverted all of the edits without a clear explanation. The immediate revert of my edits makes me think were they even checked. Upon further digging, it looks like the editor wants only his/her version of the page to stay and is not open to other edits, which violates the cause of this encyclopedia.

I tried connecting with the editor through my talk page but he/she is not responding. I also don't want to undo his/her edits to avoid getting into an edit war. I would appreciate if someone could look into this issue and help my updates get back up. Thanking in advance and hoping for a neutral review. --Talkman45 (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Talkman45 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Horse Eye Jack reverted your edits with the edit summary "Revert to last clean dif, we aren’t going to turn it into a Fisher Investments ad". It appears to me that you did rephrase some of the article to be more friendly towards the firm(such as the text of the first line of the article). If you disagree with the other user's assessment of your edits, you should discuss them on the article talk page and make a case as to why they are needed.
If you have a connection to Fischer Investments, you will need to disclose it per the conflict of interest and paid editing policy. 331dot (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Talkman45: it's only been four hours since you replied to him. Please have patience: we're all voluneers here. (Also pinging Horse Eye Jack, as 331dot's ping was broken). --ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for tagging me, I had not received the previous one. There are parts of the edit like changing a sourced 3,500 on numbers of employees to an unsourced 2,000 which need to be sourced changes but most of it on close inspection seem unobjectionable. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 20:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you all for you inputs. 331dot, I am a voluntary contributor with no connection with any page, this article was one of the random articles I was working on and since I had put in so much time and effort, I felt disappointed when my edits were reverted. The first line of the article was changed because rather than saying it is a 'general money management firm', I rephrased it to a 'private RIA' which was already mentioned in the body of the article. Horse Eye Jack, The 2000 employees data was found from these links - [11], [12] and [13] Apart from that everything new that I have added is referenced from online sources. I have updated the numbers from online sources as well. I was wondering that, now, if you can give a thoughtful review to my edits and at least add the valid ones rather than reverting all my efforts. Thank you.--Talkman45 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
The 3,500 number is sourced to a 2019 Bloomberg article, the dates on the sources you pulled from are 2015 and 2016. This is why its important to include your source(s). If you want to make sure your edits are carefully sourced you can make any changes to the page you see fit. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Horse Eye Jack, I get your point and agree on it. In this case, I will only make the referenced changes on the page, being careful of the dates, and you can review it. Thank you.--Talkman45 (talk) 14:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

confusing charge card

I entered the secret numbers after *123# but there was no further guidance after that step. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.109.40.216 (talk) 13:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello User:124.109.40.216, and welcome! I think you're in the wrong place, though: this is a forum for help with editing Wikipedia, and so we can't help with charge card issues. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 14:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF SaUp2014

Hello SaUp2014,

This is to request you to kindly introduce yourself.

Sayantan Ganguly [Youth Team Manager, Odisha FC] — Preceding unsigned comment added by SayantanGanguly (talk • contribs) 16:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@SayantanGanguly: Wikipedia is private and you don't have the right to know any editors personal identifying information. You should be posting on the talk page for that article instead of here. Use the Reply to template in order to send them a notification.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 16:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Topics to edit and meeting users

Hi Wikipedia editors. I want to Join Wikipedia Canada user group. I also would like to join the India group. Where can I find them? Do I need to send friend request before talking to editors here ? I am interested in History and cities articles. --BabbarJatt (talk) 18:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Please see the information at Wikipedia:WikiProject India.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
ThatMontrealIP Many thanks. I would make a post there. --BabbarJatt (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Where is the Wikipedia app store to install apps to help in editing ? Appreciate if you can share the link. --BabbarJatt (talk) 18:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

BabbarJatt, there are scripts to assist in some tasks, which are found at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, and Wikipedia:User scripts/List.
Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Customizing Wikipedia/Easier editing with JavaScript gives details of how these work, and how to enable them. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 18:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Alex Noble/1-2, the links are really very helpful. The User Script list is quite long. It is not possible to try so many. Can you please recommend a few good ones to start with. Thanks for the kind reply. regards. --BabbarJatt (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Audio player

Could someone please review   Courtesy link: Draft: Sayonara Player?

October 2019 so far gone ;-)

2A02:908:1A74:4360:C85E:FBAC:1BC:E460 (talk) 23:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A reviewer will review the draft when they get to it. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 00:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
IP editor: Stop pushing! These and these continuous requests for us to review are starting to get irksome. You have received advice and have submitted the article for review. Wait - we are all volunteers here. There's a worldwide virus epidemic going on which tends to reduce peoples free time right now. A reviewer will look at your draft in due course. Be patient. There is NORUSH. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:16, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
"There's a worldwide virus epidemic going on which tends to reduce peoples free time right now." - Thought it would be the other way round as Germany reduced to short-time work in most industries. I have a lot of time now, but I'm not allowed to review ;-) 2A02:908:1A74:4360:9910:E112:6A79:1C8 (talk) 11:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Some people have increased time, others reduced time. There are also areas of wikipedia that have spiked with critical tasks that draw away some reviewer time. In general the backlog has slightly reduced from its peak in the last few weeks, but is still quite substantial, with most reviewers working from the oldest first. Nosebagbear (talk)
A lot of editors have to worry about things other than Wikipedia in a crisis. Those of us that stay on here tend to focus on other things as well in the meantime, such as the work that WP:WikiProject COVID-19 is doing right now. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
As the note on the draft says: Please be patient. There are 2553 drafts waiting for review, so it will take some time for the review to happen. RudolfRed (talk) 19:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Want to start scripting

Hi. I would like to start writing user scripts for Wikipedia. I've read through the guide but I'm more of a visual learner so I was wondering if you could point me in the direction of any videos etc or any experienced user willing to walk me though it. Thanks, — RealFakeKimT 16:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RealFakeKim, and welcome to the Teahouse. There might be people here who can help with that, but this page is really for questions about editing Wikipedia. The programmer types hang out more at WP:VPT. --ColinFine (talk)
I would say, make a new section there, RealFakeKim. --ColinFine (talk) 20:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Deaths from coronavirus subcategories

Hi,

I'm writing this to get some feedback. From what I understand, there's the parent category of Deaths from the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and then multiple subcategories based on nationality. Being as this is a worldwide pandemic are the different subcats necessary? By rationale, the countries that have been more impacted, i.e. China, Iran, Italy, etc make sense as a subcat but I'm seeing some categories for Brazil or Turkey or the Netherlands that only have one page associated so far and a Cameroon subcat was created with with no affiliated pages. Shouldn't the parent category be used more than the smaller subcategories that have one article? Snickers2686 (talk) 17:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Snickers2686, this is a question that's better suited for WP:WikiProject COVID-19. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Annual readership template

Template:Annual readership provides a link to Pageviews Analysis (on https://tools.wmflabs.org/) with a pageviews graph automatically generated for the article. The template is also supposed to display a smaller version of the graph on the Talk page. There is an Annual readership template on Talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic (in a collapsed box, i.e., you need to click "Show" to see it), which is appropriate given the article is receiving 1.2 million pageviews per day. The pageviews link is working, but the graph is not displaying on the Talk page. I set width to 570 per the tip at Template:Annual readership, but that did not work. I also tried widths of 520, 500, and 420, but no luck. ¶ My request is not a high priority, so please feel free to "put it on the back burner" if needed. ;0) Thanks!   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 13:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: The graph is now showing on the Talk page. Must have been a glitch ... or the Wikitext Elf secretly fixed it. ;)   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 14:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm no computer pro, Markworthen, but I'm guessing what you experienced was a cache error from your browser. Generally, clearing the cache will clear it up. The cache likely had cleared itself when you looked the second time. It appears to my rather untrained eye that the change you made fixed the problem and no human or bot intervened. John from Idegon (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks John from Idegon! I bet you are right. :O)   Resolved   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 22:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Virus

  Disregard
 – Not a question about Wikipedia. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:32, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Have asked Kandos branch if they could deliver. I am single 76yo with emphysema, heart conditions (due to faulty Thyroid), Sinusitus to be operated (have home oxygen). Lived here approx. 10yrs. about 5 mins from IGA.Asked if they deliver. They want to know exactly what doctors have treated me when and for what etc etc, After answering them over and over basic questions I gave up. I rather go and catch the Virus somewhere than purchases ever again from IGA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:2005:E501:409D:F4AD:589B:E83F (talk) 04:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi. The Wikipedia Teahouse is for asking how to use Wikipedia, not about how to have medical help. Sorry. TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 06:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

New editor asking questions about adding scientific references to articles

Hello, I just started with small edits to some pages that are within my area of work, at least I tried. The edits I was making were providing a new handbook reference for the topic the article was discussing. By way of full disclosure, I am one of the editors of the handbook, which may be a COI. However, the addition I made seemed to fit the goal of wikipedia to be a tertiary source quite well, and the description was neutral, but it was still removed. I could not find a policy on this, so I am wondering what scenario may exist where having an editor adding a scientific volume that summarizes the latest knowledge about a topic that the wikipedia article describes in allowable? Thank you in advance for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonbiter (talk • contribs) 21:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Dragonbiter: Courtesy link to article in question. Games and learning. I think the short answer is that it's discouraged for authors to add their own publications. You could put an WP:EDITREQUEST on the article talk page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton:OK, thank you, will do. Dragonbiter (talk) 21:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Dragonbiter, Taking a look at this edit, I see the problem. Instead of using the book as a citation, you instead pointed folks to go read it, which is promotionalism in our eyes. Wikipedia exists to promote nothing and no one, so we are pretty strict about that kinda thing. But if you follow Tim's advice, you should have a better chance of including the resesarch. Make sure not to add the book simply to add it, but rather that you are adding interesting new research, backed up by a reliable source. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek,I appreciate your comment, and I can certainly relate to the idea of not promoting anything. But this creates a dilemma: if I were to look up a topic I know little about, one of the things I would want to know is whether there is a comprehensive piece of secondary literature that I could use to learn more. That's what the handbook is- there are 21 chapters that discuss the full range of games for learning. The main contribution of the handbook is to (1) bring together multiple points of view, and (2) provide a unique look at games as a genre that requires cognitive, affective, motivational, and socio-cultural views, all of which are discussed in detail in the book. That's what I added, because getting any more detailed would require to discuss individual chapters. At this point my response is to just let it go? Dragonbiter (talk) 21:44, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Dragonbiter, you could suggest on the article talk page that your publication be added to a further reading section. But please do not add it to the article yourself, as that would not be a neutral thing to do as an editor.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate a page

How to duplicate a page? — CRS-20 (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

CRS-20, welcome to the Teahouse. Pages generally aren't duplicated, but moved. Why do you want to duplicate a page? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
The Kosmos 22 page does not exist, I would like to duplicate the Kosmos 20 page to make it the Kosmos 22 page. — CRS-20 (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@CRS-20: If you're comfortable about editing and adding proper sources, go to Kosmos 20, click edit, copy the source code, go to the Wikipedia search box and type Kosmos 22, and then click on the red link where it says "You may create the page Kosmos 22" to open a new article. Paste the Kosmos 20 content and then edit as appropriate. Here's a source to start with. [[14]]. If you aren't that comfortable editing yet, you might read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE just to be safe. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: I see edit source but not edit (only). — CRS-20 (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@CRS-20: Please read WP:CWW before doing that. Attribution must be kept. RudolfRed (talk) 21:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: @Timtempleton: The user WDGraham has not contributed since February 2015. So what about copyright? Cordially. — CRS-20 (talk) 22:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@CRS-20: I assumed you were just going to reuse the template and general layout, but rewrite the article to be about Kosmos 22. Please ensure the body of your new article is written differently, to stay within copyright guidelines. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:16, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: This is exactly what I want to do, take the Kosmos 20 page, modify it to make it the Kosmos 22 page. But how to do that? — CRS-20 (talk) 23:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Not just to stay within copyright guidelines, CRS-20. The content of an article should start and end with what the sources for that subject say, not with what another article happens to say. With that approach, it's very easy to accidentally include some information that isn't in any of the sources, because it seems reasonable and something similar was in the copied text. --ColinFine (talk) 00:10, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: I don't want to take the Kosmos 20 references, but to take my references to make Kosmos 22. — CRS-20 (talk) 00:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: Kosmos 20 is a Zenit 2 spacecraft et Kosmos 22 is a Zenit 4 spacecraft, with different launchers, etc. — CRS-20 (talk) 00:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Henry Cheffer

I inherited a stamp collection from my grandfather and I noticed a 1925 Principality of Monaco stamp, displaying the Monte Carlo Harbor that bears the name Henry Cheffer at the bottom right of the stamp. I thought this might be a piece of information that could be considered for adding to the Henry Cheffer page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cheffer There are a few different values of the stamp that bear the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:5300:10A0:84AC:8B50:958D:1CF2 (talk) 15:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Wikimedia commons already has a category called Stamps by Henry Cheffer. Any of these images could be added to the article, if they have not been already.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
IP, have a look at the page now. I have expanded it quite a bit. It is good you brought this up here, as Cheffer was quite a prolific and notable artist. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources

What would be considered reliable sources for a music article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatleswillneverdie (talk • contribs)

Hi Beatleswillneverdie, and thanks for coming to the Teahouse! you can read up on WP:NMG for the notability guidelines on music articles, and more on reliable sources is at WP:RS. Thanks again! please remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 02:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

To publish an article to Wikipedia about my father

Dear Sir/Madam, I seek your permission to publish an article to Wikipedia about my father Late Poet Dr. Suryakant Ramchandra Khandekar from Kolhapur, Maharashtra. (1926-1979) He was a Marathi poet, who was awarded Ph.D. for his thesis on "Shahiri Powada". He has become famous for his popular song "Tya Phulanchya Gandakoshi" sung and Composed by Pt. Hridayanath Mangeshkar. He had also written lyrics for many Marathi movies. His songs are being sung by many popular singers such as - Asha Bhosale, Pt. Hridayanath Mangeshkar, Kavita Krishnamurthy etc.

Current information about his work on Internet is not complete. In order to know his contribution to the Marathi literature, I want to publish an article in Wikipedia.

Following are the links for your reference ---

https://www.aathavanitli-gani.com/Geetkar/Suryakant_Khandekar

https://www.marathisrushti.com/articles/marathi-poet-suryakant-khandekar/

Hoping for your approval. Thanking you,

Mrs. Swaroopa Rawoot(Khandekar) K.swaroopa (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Removed the indents David notMD (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@K.swaroopa: This is being answered at the Help Desk. Please help keep conversations in one place and not post questions in multiple places. RudolfRed (talk) 20:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply RudolRed. Sorry for reposting it. I was unaware of the correct place to get help K.swaroopa (talk) 04:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

List of Pakdam Pakdai episodes

  Disregard
 – User was blocked as a sock. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I want you to create a article about a list of episodes for Pakdam Pakdai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaymarturner748 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

use of court records as reliable source

Can I use information from public court records in my editing? How would these be cited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NMCheadache (talk • contribs) 16:04, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, NMCheadache, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you can cite these, but bear in mind that they are primary sources, and so can be used in limited ways. I don't believe there is a specific citation template for them: I suggest {{cite report}}. --ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Would {{Cite court}} do the job? - X201 (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@NMCheadache: This is a question usually asked by someone who wants to add information about a civil or criminal case to an article about a person or company. More important than the source is the question of whether the information is of encyclopedic value and follows the principles of WP:BALANCE and WP:DUE. We usually know this by whether WP:SECONDARY sources have chosen to discuss it, which is one reason why those sources are preferred to the primaries. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Biography

Good day fellow teahouse members, I don't know if it will be welcomed and good for me to post a written article here for corrections and improvement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ViciousProxy (talk • contribs) 00:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, ViciousProxy. No, please don't post draft articles directly here. Just link to them instead. (e.g. "See my draft article at User:ViciousProxy/sandbox, please). Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very very much Nick Moyes aprreciate your support and time taking to answer me promised it was note a waist thanks once more.

Editor and Editing

I wish to work harder and improve myself in editing and writing article and bio in wiki and working on a basic A-I search bot to help me deliver best in Wikipedia family When I first joined I made so many mistakes, but if I may ask from any admin how do you all improve in your editing and writing and also information search please I love to learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ViciousProxy (talk • contribs) 00:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

You suggest that you're working on a biography. At the top of your user talk page, you write "Working on creating a client biography". Do you mean that you're working, or that you're intending to work, on the biography of somebody who is a client of yours? -- Hoary (talk) 00:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
In this edit to my talk page, you say "it's a client biography". I assume that you mean that yes, it's the biography of a client of yours.
Your interest is in promoting the person you're writing about. However, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a public relations outlet. Therefore your purpose here conflicts with that of Wikipedia. Please stop writing about this person.
Furthermore, it appears from your use of the word "client" that you're being paid. If you are indeed being paid, please read this part of the "conflict of interest" page with particular care. And follow it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new page on 'Near numbers'

Hi, I'd like to make a page on 'Near numbers' (it's a math - specifically calculus - topic). The only mention of these numbers on Wikipedia are in one sided limits not as near numbers themselves. The problem is that there aren't much info on it and the pages that talk about it are videos (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjSJnJ_DLOnPbCfWXHwxNEw) and one website https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0412157.pdf so there are considerably less citations than most Wikipedia pages. So am I allowed to add videos in citations and are there any other sources that I can see.

Furthermore, if Wikipedia doesn't include this topic is it because it is a widely unused or not important topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RHaq22 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@RHaq22:, specially calculus topic and no mention anywhere except a YouTube video. Wow. You may try a number of mathematics books for referencing. YouTube videos ain't reliable. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 21:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
@RHaq22: Speaking in general terms, topics must be notable - of interest to the world at large and over a period of time - to be included in Wikipedia. We consider significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources as evidence of this interest. Lack of such coverage means that the topic is not suitably notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
My expertise is well into the humanities departments, but that Frank J. Swenton paper cited by OP is the only thing I'm finding anywhere, and it does rather seem to suggest it's a new system. That doesn't mean it's wrong or bad or anything (being published in a peer-reviewed journal by Taylor & Francis is generally a good sign) but it's still too new for there to be enough material on it.
...And actually, looking at the paper, again admitting that I'm a humanities nerd and tend to recoil in terror at any math postdating the Crusades (until you get to something like Octonions, at which point my horror becomes so sublime that I enter an enchanted entrancement) -- anyway, I get the impression that it's not so much a new thing as an alternate means of teaching an existing thing. In other words, there are no near numbers themselves, they are (per the original author) "a scaffold both for building an accurateintuitive under-standing of the limit concept and for connecting that understanding to theformal definition of the limit." Ian.thomson (talk) 03:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi RHaq22 given that nobody well versed in mathematics has replied to your question, I think you should rather get subject specialist advice from WP:WikiProject Mathematics. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Why does Wikipedia use use a coordinates conversion service that is inaccessible more often than it is available

I've been trying to collect GPS coordinates for locations of events in my family tree as I read about the locations. To get decimal coordinates where they are not displayed I click on the D.M.S. coords to get them converted but that link produces this failure message 80% of the time:

This site can’t be reached tools.wmflabs.org’s server IP address could not be found. DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

Can you not display both coord systems on the pages instead of a seemingly random choice please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MainlineMick (talk • contribs)

Hi MainlineMick, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you refer to links like https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Australian_Capital_Territory&params=35_27_00_S_148_58_50_E_type:adm1st_region:AU-ACT on Australian Capital Territory. It works for me although it's sometimes very slow. The script at User:Evad37/GeoHack replacement script can replace the coordinates link when you are logged in. For example, add this to your common JavaScript:
importScript('User:Evad37/GeoHack_replacement_script.js'); // [[User:Evad37/GeoHack_replacement_script.js]]
ghrs_mapprovider = "http://maps.google.com/maps?ll={latdegdec},{londegdec}&spn={span},{span}&q={latdegdec},{londegdec}";
This changes the link to http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-35.45,148.98055555555555&spn=0.3,0.3&q=-35.45,148.98055555555555. If you click the link then Google Maps shows the conversion but it's also in the url itself. Template:Coord#Per-user display customization shows code you can use to display both coord systems or a chosen one. You can also show both on the currently viewed page by manually adding ?safemode=1 to the url like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Capital_Territory?safemode=1. It changes the layout by removing various styling. It's meant for testing but it works for your purpose. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@MainlineMick: To answer the last question, yes, you can display both co-ordinate systems, though it can be ugly at times. In your User:MainlineMick/common.css, add the following:
.geo-default,
.geo-nondefault,
.geo-dec,
.geo-dms,
.geo-multi-punct {
	display: inline;
}
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Ladnun

please mention name of current MLA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukesh Bhakar 0013 (talk • contribs) 07:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

At the article Ladnu (Ladnum), Mukesh Bhakar wants there to be a mention that he is the Member of the Legislative Assembly. He has also created Mukesh Bhakar, about himself. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Mukesh Bhakar 0013 has added an image of Mukesh Bhakar and claimed it as own work. If MB0013 is MB, cannot be true (it's not a selfie). David notMD (talk) 13:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Scientist Suresh Sharma

i have created a article draft : Scientist Suresh Sharma ,it is about my father.now how to submit the article please tell me i not finding a way to do it .gone through your wiki manuals article for creation which says that i will find a button "submit for review" but i could not find it secondly it says i can add a code to the top of my draft {{AFC submission|||ts=20200328114547|u=Alekh99|ns=4}} so iadded on top of article but did not find any yellow box .so please guide me how to submit my draft.thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alekh99 (talk • contribs)

Hey Alekh99! I have properly submitted the article for you. However, considering the subject is your father, you may find it useful to read the guideline on editing with a conflict of interest and make sure the article is neutral, so it has a better chance of being published. --MrClog (talk) 12:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Draft:Suresh Sharma and it has been declined for lack of sufficient referencing with reliable source references. Refs #1 and #2 link to the current website for The Hindu, and the other two mention him only briefly. David notMD (talk) 13:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Generel Request

I would like to know why my article has been declined — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deoz.wilson (talk • contribs) 14:23, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Reply on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 14:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Newspaper article to verify addition already made to Wikipedia -Hillcrest sub-section " Famous residents"

Hi, I have added a name on the above section of Wikipedia which appears in red with the No.[10] icon which I gather indicates it requires verification. I can submit a copy of the 1947 Sunday Times newspaper article which should verify the detail together with an address document in the 1960s verifying residence in Hillcrest. To whom [email add.] should this material be addressed to? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melsmeth (talk • contribs) 14:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines for Famous residents are that there should be an existing Wikipedia article about those persons before their names are added to the list. If such articles do not exist, then the names show up as red Wikilinks rather than blue. Horace should be deleted from the list, and also the other three red names. David notMD (talk) 14:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Hillcrest, KwaZulu-Natal is the article in question. An alternative would be to create articles about those people. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Help with translating English Wiki-articles to another language.

Hi, Im new here and would like to translate an existing English Wiki-article to another language - Swedish. There is already one started in Swedish but with less information compared to the English version. I want to use the "autotranslation tool" to start with, so that all the sources are copied for example. Where do I find "autotranslation tool"? How do I change the language in the "autotranslation tool" to the one I want? I have stumbled upon a "autotranslation tool" that supposed to translate from Swedish to English but Im not allowed to use it!?! I cant find it again and I could not change the language anyway. Then I guess there already are a connection between the two articles, so I don't need to do anything about that? Zzophia (talk) 14:39, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Zzophia, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are wanting to create an article in svwiki, then you need to ask your questions there: each language Wikipedia is different, and has different rules, customs, and procedures. There is a little help for you here, at Translate us. As for the Content translation tool: the consensus has decided not to allow that to be used by new editors on enwiki; but it is available for translating from English. --ColinFine (talk) 15:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


Your page on Haplogroup J2

Hi, Could you please sort that page out. It seems to be a total mess. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergtit432 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean all those red " harv error: no target: CITEREF..." messages? This is a known problem affecting a large number of Wikipedia pages in the last day or so. There is very active discussion about it at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Feline Hymnic (talk) 15:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

new help with ip address adding inappropriate stuff

Kinda of new to this and have read a ton but not sure how to get help with an ip address that is adding inappropriate stuff to several pages. It's 186.214.187.154 and if you look at Robin Lord Taylor's last edit you'll see what they're adding. Thanks.FootToeFungus (talk) 15:47, 28 March 2020 (UTC) Now I'm not sure if I'm wrong. I found where someone undid one of they're additions that was to the informationbox that I can't find now and I see that they're adding it to the bottom of the page which I've never looked at. So I might be wrong. Another pair of eyes would be helpful and I apologize if I'm wrong.FootToeFungus (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

FootToeFungus, 186.214.187.154 added a category to the article while another IP user made that change; it has since been reverted. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

List of Top Island Countries

How to create a new page article or a new title? step by step. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk • contribs) 16:25, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Aldrin Orlanes Politico Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please be advised that successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. New users are much more likely to succeed if they first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of articles. I would strongly suggest that you do that and also use the new user tutorial.
However, if you still want to attempt to create an article, you should read Your first article and the go to Articles for Creation to create a draft and submit it for review. Be advised that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Note that "top island countries" is both very broad and very subjective. Wikipedia does not have "top" anything. 331dot (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

i cant make articles

why i need to make a draft to make my article??????????its so annoyingggggg — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalucoWikipededista (talk • contribs) 14:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

MalucoWikipededista Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New users cannot directly create articles for several reasons- one is to prevent vandalism. Another is that successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. New users who dive right in without understanding the process, and without experience, usually end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as their work that they spent hours on is mercilessly edited and deleted. Taking some time to learn about the process benefits not only you, but the project as well. Please use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article before creating a draft using Articles for Creation. Wikipedia has no deadlines so there is rarely any urgent need for any article. Take your time so you do the best job that you can do. 331dot (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
(ec) Hello MalucoWikipededista, and welcome to the Teahouse. The reason was WP:AUTO, but that's done now. However, it's often a good idea to start an article as a draft and work on it until it's ready for mainspace. Sprindort Massacre is very likely to be deleted or moved to draftspace. Take the time to read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners carefully. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
MalucoWikipededista - echoing the comment above, there are no reliable sources that mention the Sprindort Massacre. The event is not in the draft's sole reference, and a city article doesn't even exist, or I'd say to try to put the info there. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:16, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

the article was translated from the portuguese version of wikipedia,if something is wrong,its not my fault.189.35.35.204 (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

The different language WP:s are autonomous and can have different "rules", assuming those rules have been followed. You are responsible for what you put on en-WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

posts I added that were removed

  Courtesy link: The Fiber Optic Association I do not understand why my information additions about the Fiber Optic Sensing Association were removed. It is a non-profit with a mission of educating about the benefits of fiber optic sensing. I notice that you allow The Fiber Optic Association to have its own page and this seems quite the double standard. Why is the Fiber Optic Association allowed and not the Fiber Optic Sensing Association? Why is it not allowed on the page that lists international professional associations? It is an international professional association. Seems like someone wants to limit information about it. I look froward to hearing back on this and specific reasons why some are allowed and others not - once again this appears to be a double standard. My family even donated to wiki in 2019 because of the great resource of information provided. Seems that certain people are controlling the information. I had listed it under See Also on: Fiber-optic sensor, Distributed acoustic sensor, Distributed temperature sensor and Optical fiber, and list of international professional associations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCGlobal (talk • contribs) 14:58, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@DCGlobal: Welcome to the Teahouse. The user who reverted it marked it as spam, and given how I don't see how the two are related (other than a similarity of name) I have to agree, especially with all the other pages that you've contributed to and gotten subsequently reverted for (for further reading, please read WP:NOTABILITY). Donations go to the Wikimedia Foundation, not Wikipedia proper. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:25, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@DCGlobal: Monetary contributions to the WMF have absolutely no bearing on content at individual projects like Wikipedia (other than keeping the servers running that manage that content). There is no double standard. There are, however, articles (especially older ones) that do not comply with current standards. We're all volunteers here, and those non-standard articles are slowly fixed or deleted. That has nothing to do with whether new articles that are not up to standards should be allowed to exist.
I'll also note that your last several edits were marked "minor" incorrectly per WP:MINOR.
Please sign your messages on talk pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:
This is the last line of the message. ~~~~
The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps keep conversations organized. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Name of page: when is a change appropriate?

Is it the case that a person page's title/name cannot be changed? I believe there's an error with one: not a typo, but part of the name is missing. I posted the issue on that talk page ("Catharine MacKinnon") a few days ago. Shall I wait for a response there or detail the issue here? Thank you for any assistance and guidance. --PaulThePony (talk) 19:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, PaulThePony. The talk page was the right place to propose this, but evidently there's not much traffic there: the last non-administrative edit to it was in 2016. In this case, you suggestion is clearly a good one (see TITLE), and I suggest you simply move the article. --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. Thank you so much for that recommendation. It saves waiting another 4 years for someone to respond there. Haha --PaulThePony (talk) 22:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

How do I know if I am a auto-confirmed user or not?

I keep getting these pop-ups saying that autoconfirmed users wont see the msgs but at the same time I can move pages which (im pretty sure) is only a function available to auto-confirmed users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faboof (talk • contribs) 23:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

You are indeed autoconfirmed, as you can verify at Special:UserRights/Faboof. --MrClog (talk) 23:47, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

adding image

How to add an image to wikipedia from Pinterest — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarasuma (talk • contribs) 02:44, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Samarasuma, thank you for asking your question! For legal reasons, you cannot use images that you found on the Internet. You can only use images that (1) you made yourself, and that you are willing to license under a free, commercial license, (2) others licensed under a free, commercial license, or (3) images that do not fall under either of the two categories, but that satisfy the non-free content criteria. So, unless if that image on Pinterest is available under a free, commerical license, you cannot upload it here. Aasim 05:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

What sources are considered independent

I’m confused on what sources could be independent and good for an article. Can books be included in that criteria? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatleswillneverdie (talk • contribs) 21:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Clovermoss, books are allowed as long as they fulfill the criteria for a reliable source, including being published by a publishing house with a reputation for accuracy, having a neutral point of view, not being outdated, etc.
Hi again, Beatleswillneverdie. Reliability and independence are completely separate. A book published by a reputable publisher is a reliable source; but if it is written or edited by somebody close to the subject of an article, it is not independent of that subject: it can be cited only as a primary source. Conversely, a review of an album on a web forum may well be independent, but it will almost certainly not be reliable in Wikipedia's terms, and cannot be cited at all. --ColinFine (talk) 08:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Confirmed

I need my account to be confirmed today please— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahmin1 (talk • contribs)

Tahmin1 It will be autoconfirmed within 24 hours. I assume you want this to be able to move your draft to the encyclopedia; I would strongly advise you against moving it yourself even when you are able to, until you have a great deal of experience in article creation. You may submit your draft even now using Articles for creation, this way others can give you help before your draft is formally part of the encyclopedia. I assume you want to maximize your chances of success; submitting it for a review will do that.
If you are associated with the subject of your draft in any way, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing- which would mean you should submit a draft no matter what. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

This visual editing needs to stop!

Hi, and I have a problem here. I do NOT want to visually edit and I want the thingy to the right of the section (e.g. ===Description===) to say "Edit SOURCE" and not simply "Edit". Can someone help me??? 🐔Chicdat (talk) 10:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Chicdat I don't entirely understand your question; if you do not have the visual editor enabled, it does not matter what the edit link says. If you are trying to disable the visual editor, you can do so in your Preferences. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks anyway. 🐔Chicdat (talk) 11:42, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@Chicdat: I think you disable the visual editor by checking "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. Any editing you do should then use the original source editor. Is that what you need? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I did, and it worked. 😃 Thanks for your help! 🐔Chicdat (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Follow-up to True story, please help -notability+have the company listed on wikipedia

Hi guys you still did not answer my questions on notability as I should read it more about it but I postpone due to diversification of my activities, looking for more work as even though I do not work I moved to new room from the money from the previous employer.

Beside saying that there may be different requirments on german notability I know the best way it would be to make my own reading, retyping and implementing it on Wikipedia but it is time-consuming.

Please help here if you do not mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketmanplus (talk • contribs) 10:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

So what was your question? Maproom (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
According to this, I think he wants us to host articles about him and his company?
@Rocketmanplus: We are not the German Wikipedia: any mistakes they make there do not justify mistakes here.
Wikipedia is not the place to promote yourself or your business.
A subject is considered notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If there are no sources about you, then you are not notable.
Here are the guaranteed and simple instructions for writing an article. If you follow them exactly, it won't matter if you're writing about yourself or your company. If you can't follow them exactly, then give up. Don't bother asking us to do your work for you. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Victor Smushkevich

Dear authors How are you all yesterday I was looking for a topic to edit so I found a file victorsmushkevich.png and there was suggestion for create article for after that I searched a lot regarding this and create an article on it. It is not any spam, I am here to answer your all question and if you have any ambiguity regarding this you can take any decision. I will agree with this thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZZ Digital Solution (talk • contribs) 12:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Note: I've blocked OP for being a PR firm's account. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Joe Mesmar

I had created a page named Joe Mesmar who is a ery eminent canadian dj. But my article got deleted. Will someone guide me how to create a full biography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surelyshubham (talk • contribs) 12:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Surelyshubham: You can find instructions on how to write an article that won't be deleted in this link. It's part of a large guide that I wrote that covers a variety of issues new users face. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Publishing sandbox article

When can i publish my sandbox article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahmin1 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

You can move it to mainspace when you have been autoconfirmed – which, as you were told above, will be within 24 hours. If you do so, it will be at risk of deletion, as not establishing that its subject is notable.   Maproom (talk) 11:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@Tahmin1: Note that many of your sources are not considered reliable and should not be used (e.g., Wikipedia, IMDb, social media, blogs, etc.). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
If you publish your draft directly, it may become nominated for deletion, as many of the references are not considered reliable sources. The deletion process is on a fast clock (a week or two). Alternatively, if you submit it to Articles for Creation it will be a submitted draft. A reviewer would then accept or decline. The negative to AfC is that weeks to months could go by before a reviewer decides to start a review. The positive is that you could continue to work on improving the draft while waiting. One specific thing to fix: you have many hyperlinks in the text of the article. These are not allowed. David notMD (talk) 12:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Indian National Army

Who is the first commanding Officer of Indian National Army?

Who is the actual founder of Indian National Army? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheerajkumar Pittala (talk • contribs) 14:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Please see Indian National Army.--Shantavira|feed me 14:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Francesco D´Agosta alias Belair Music Producer

Hello can zou help me to create a Biography for an Artist & Music Producer Belair alias Francesco D´Agosta? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DieBiografie (talk • contribs) 15:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Your draft User:DieBiografie/sandbox/Francesco D'Agosta alias Belair was rejected because it has no references. Given that he has not yet released his first album, WP:TOOSOON applies. Wikipedia is not social media. Try again when there are published articles about him. David notMD (talk) 15:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:Infobox netball biography

Hi, is possible to expand this Template:Infobox netball biography to cater for Ama Agbeze who has played for at 12/13 clubs. Still working on improving article maybe more clubs. Djln Djln (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Djln: The template only takes up to ten teams. If you want to expand it, you might have better luck asking at Template talk:Infobox netball biography. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: Thanks but nobody has been active at page since 2012 Djln Djln (talk) 14:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Djln: - That doesn’t mean that the page isn’t on somebody’s watchlist. You might as well try. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 14:44, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: I managed to get some help elsewhere and sort it. Cheers Djln Djln (talk) 15:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Need start editing - Deaths in 2020

I don't know if I have a semi-protected Authorization or an autoconfirmed user yet, but I added a post here Deaths in 2020 and I need help to start editing and post this event:

AbDaryaee (talk) 15:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

AbDaryaee, if you are unable to edit the information by yourself, please go to the article's talk page and leave an edit request with {{edit semi-protected}} with what exactly you want to change and to what you want it to say verbatim provided with the source listed below. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) he's already there. If you need further help, please feel free to discuss on the talk page. Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Rotideypoc41352 (talk) and Tenryuu (talk) Thanks both of you, I thought the correct date of death should entered on the 28th, but source does not confirm actual date of death. AbDaryaee (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Coronavirus : Patrick Devedjian, président des Hauts-de-Seine et ancien ministre, est mort du Covid-19". Le Monde (in French). Retrieved 2020-03-29.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

Sabotage

Dear Managers: Please note that edits should not be canceled without prior notice. Like this Kashtariti ! Don't be arbitrarily neutralized. Goodarz Irani (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

If you want to discuss the reversion you can do that either at Talk:Kashtariti or on the user talk page of the editor who did the reversion, but one point is that you had marked your edit as minor when it clearly didn't meet the criteria at Help:Minor edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Templates

How does one create his own template using visual editing since im one and publish it for use on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itssslime kidd (talk • contribs) 18:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Itsslime kidd. The information is on Help:Template. --ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Repinging Itssslime kidd as I got the username wrong. --ColinFine (talk) 19:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Addition of information to the New York Blood Center Wikipedia page: New York Blood Center is now collection plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients to be used as transfusion therapy for severely ill COVID-19 patients

Greetings Wikipedians. I have made an edit to the New York Blood Center page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Blood_Center and want to be sure that the addition is acceptable. Is anyone here? I would be deeply grateful to be cross checked and approved. The addition reads as follows:

In 2020, New York Blood Center was the first blood center to collect convalescent blood plasma donations from people who have recovered from COVID-19 to treat other patients with advanced illness. On March 27th, 2020, the first unit of convalescent blood plasma was drawn. In the treatment, known as convalescent plasma, the patient is transfused with the plasma from a recovered COVID-19 patient with the goal of using the donor’s antibodies to help clear the virus more rapidly. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4781783/ Apocalypticwarlord (talk) 21:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Apocalypticwarlord: Thanks for coming here to ask - a very sensible approach. It always pays to preview your edits, as maybe in your haste you hadn't spotted with this edit that you had added the text in two places - one with a bare url. Please fix that. But more importantly, your added content which to me at first glance is completely unverifiable, so please remove it completely asap until you can cite a proper, reliable source. Your citation only appears to support the general idea of using blood plasma from recovered patients. It says nothing to support your assertion that the New York Blood Center "was the first blood center to collect convalescent blood plasma donations from people who have recovered from COVID-19 to treat other patients with advanced illness. On March 27th, 2020, the first unit of convalescent blood plasma was drawn." My apologies if, in my haste, I missed something when skimming through your source. I hope you appreciate the absolute need to ensure total accuracy and verifiability in all things COVID-related. Oh, and if you coud keep your post headers a bit shorter, that's make life easier for folk. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Greetings!!!!

I am new here......Waleed Shafqat here....Had a cup of tea with you ....Thanks.....Remember me!!!....in your prayers....See you next time..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.91.212 (talk) 18:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey Waleed, thanks for dropping by. Take care in these uncertain times, and do drop by again if you need help with any editing problems. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC).

Corporate Info

Wikipedia has comparatively sparse coverage for basic corporate data. E.g. Exxon Mobile's net income is from 2018. Why don't we automatically reference Wikidata corporate company profiles? (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q156238)

Wikidata contains structured data with citations. Why don't we reference this automatically from "Template:Infobox company"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Q746371 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, we certainly could pick up the information from Wikidata. The market capitalization (P2226) for ExxonMobil (Q156238) can be read by
  • {{wdib |ps=1 |P2226 |qid=Q156238 |unitabbr=y |scale=a}} → $366,980 million, 468,367 million
But there is a resistance to fetching information from Wikidata, principally because of the lack of sourcing. Hardly any of the statements in ExxonMobil (Q156238) have a reliable source to verify them, so English Wikipedia editors will usually resist using figures that we have no obvious way of checking. As the verifiability of Wikidata improves, we may find greater consensus for using Wikidata, and the tools already exist to do so. --RexxS (talk) 23:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi! Need all the help I can get here.

Hi guys! thanks i — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobbySofthands (talk • contribs) 13:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

  FYI
 – Merged section with above. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 23:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi guys! Thanks for reading. New writer and new to wikipedia. Recently took it upon myself to investigate a street artist in Puerto Rico whose work I've followed closely and has become a national treasure for Puerto Rico. Given the artists anonymity finding sources was a hassle but in my opinion more than enough for a wikipedia article. My article was recently reviewed and declined for its sources. How does wikipedia manage these specific circumstances and how else can I improve my article and ultimately get it published? —Preceding undated comment added 13:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi - it is what it says on the tin; your Wikipedia article needs sourcing talking about this street artist, not just evidence they exist. The interview you used as one of your sources is a good example of what would be really good quality evidence of this artist's WP:NOTABILITY, and is what you'll need to find more of if you want to write an article about them. Unfortunately, just evidence of where their works have been found, and photographs of their work on Flickr aren't notable enough. They have to have been seen, noticed and talked about by others.
I will say, your writing style is quite encyclopedic, though. It's good quality and with better sources of notability, I don't see a reason why this article couldn't be submitted again. However, you must find more sources from other people talking about their notability, their work, and their art style first. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 13:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, BobbySofthands, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I must disagree with Ineffablebookkeeper: an interview with the subject is not independent of them, and so cannot contribute to notability. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves: it is only interested in what people wholly unconnecteed with them have chosen to publish about them. If there has been little reliably published, independent material about Shitty Robots, then I'm afraid it will not be possible for Wikipedia to have an article about him at the moment. See WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Question about Requests for user rights

Not a big question, but was wondering how the process works. At least on the rollback page, users do not seem to be reviewed in numeral order, it appears they are reviewed at random. Is it more on a base of admins picking off the easy ones first? or is it more complicated, perhaps a protocol?

I have one more question. when the month is over, will the page be cleared? for over a week the page has been growing, when is the refresh time, and what does that mean for the ppeople applying? will they need to resubmit?

thanks! Scaledish (Chances are I am wrong, sorry :blush:) (talk) 19:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Scaledish: As admins are volunteers too, it's very likely that they will start looking first for obvious cases which they can reject or accept, because it will take less of their time. If I look at a case and see that I have to go digging into history because granting or refusing is not clear-cut, I'm afraid that sometimes I'll just think "I'll come back to that one later". I guess that's human nature, and it's part of the reason why there can be quite big backlogs for some admin tasks.
To ease your mind on the backlogs: no, they never get simply removed. All that happens is a few diligent admins eventually spot that a particular queue is growing large and make an effort to clear the backlog. --RexxS (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Is there already an biography of Willis Augustus Lee?

I know from — Preceding unsigned comment added by CRICKETTIGER (talk • contribs) 21:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

CRICKETTIGER Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can go to the Wikipedia article about him by clicking on Willis Augustus Lee. 331dot (talk) 21:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

i understand that making arguments that are based on opinions/authority is not a thing people are encouraged to do on wikipedia on any level. ....Nevertheless I think I might need to take a closer look at that.... ....incidentally.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by CRICKETTIGER (talk • contribs) 21:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

If you have subsequent comments, please edit the existing section instead of creating a new one. Thank you 331dot (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
And 'sign' yuor comments by typing four of ~ at the end.David notMD (talk) 00:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome me

Can you welcome me to the Teahouse? The secret weapon for the account Denimbabel 01:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

  Done with {{Welcome-t}}.--Moxy 🍁 01:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Serial Novels--Deadwood Dick and other Dime Novels

Hi: I am a professor of American literature. I thought it would be a great experience for my students to add to Wikipedia's knowledge base by doing research on and writing an entry for a "Dime Novel" of the Western genre. There are countless Dime Novels, but the "Deadwood Dick" series has been the most popular, and there are dozens of popular novels about "Deadwood Dick," frontier hero (a kind of "Zorro" character of the American west).

I would have them choose one of the series novels and follow the format outlined by so many other entries about individual works of literature. We could link to the "Deadwood Dick" and "Dime Novels" and relevant author's pages (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadwood_Dick). The emphasis would be on summarizing the plot, detailing its publication history, contextualizing it in the Dime Novel and the Western genre; mention connections to any related films or other renderings; an including an authoritative bibliography. I would function as a kind of preliminary editor and would encourage them to publish it only after it had met Wikipedia's standards.

My question is whether these entries would be "notable" enough for Wikipedia to consider. They are specific representations of an important and formative literary movement in the United States (and in Europe!). But some of the plots can be formulaic.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polka123polka (talk • contribs) 22:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Polka123polka Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As a professor wanting to use Wikipedia in your class, you may want to go to the Wikipedia Education Program for more information. Regarding your question, any novel will merit a Wikipedia article if it has significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how it meets Wikipedia's definition of a notable novel. 331dot (talk) 22:59, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@Polka123polka: It would be worth your while looking at the article Deadwood Dick as it may be that we already have an article on the character, if not the dime novels themselves. My initial advice would be to consider adding content to existing articles, as that entails a far less steep learning curve than creating new articles. Sourced information about the "Deadwood Dick" series could make a complete new section in the eponymous hero's article, or as an addition to the Dime novel article itself. Of course, if the expansion of Deadwood Dick introduced enough new sources that a separate article covering the series could be split off at a later date, that would be excellent, but perhaps you could save that as an exercise for another course. --RexxS (talk) 23:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I strongly doubt that any of the numerous Deadwood Dick novels were written ABOUT as individual topics, and thus none would meet Wikipedia's definition of notable. As far as authors go, it appears to me that Edward Lytton Wheeler wrote all of them. For an example of a book written about, see The Old Man and the Sea. David notMD (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Removing Warning

Hello, I mistakenly given warning to a user. How can i permanently remove warning for user. Is deleting from talk page is only solution. Rocky 734 (talk) 03:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

If there are no comments after your comment you can delete it, or else can add a new comment that it was an error. David notMD (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

I was given a warning about a possible conflict of interest. My question is, why am I getting this notice? I am not connected to the subject. I am in the same community, the vape community; however, I am trying to build the history of Professional Vaping as I have seen it grow and change through the years and no one has covered this topic thoroughly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtallmen (talk • contribs) 01:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

The proper response is on your Talk page to declare that you have no personal connection - paid or unpaid - with the person who is the topic of the draft that is in your Sandbox. Suspicion of COI often arises when a new editor appears who is writing about only one topic. Your Sandbox is about Erik Leigh Hutchinson, and you also added content about him to the existing Cloud chasing article. David notMD (talk) 02:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, {U|Jtallmen}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, if indeed "no one has covered this topic thoroughly" it is unlikely to be a suitable subject for Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not publish original research, ever. Its articles are summaries of previously published reliable material.
It may be that I am misunderstanding you, and you mean that no one has covered this topic in Wikipedia: if that is the case, please go ahead. But if indeed there is little published material (and in particular, little published material independent of the people it is talking about), then I'm afraid you'll need to get your research published elsewhere before Wikipedia will look at it. --ColinFine (talk) 08:50, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Repinging Jtallmen. --ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Writing an article about a magazine

Hello!

Exclaim! Magazine has a wikipedia page and I was wondering what the rules are to writing another wikipedia page from scratch for an small magazine that is invaluable to the music community.

Thx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmmaTolly (talk • contribs) 03:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, EmmaTolly, and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing a new encyclopaedia article about something (rather than a "page for" it) is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months improving existing article before they try (I know you're not technically "new", but you're not very experienced!). But your first article is the place to look.
A couple of caveats: remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what you (or I, or random people on the internet) know about the subject, and it is not interested in what the subject says about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about it, and any article should be based almost entirely on such published sources. Secondly, if you have any connection with the magazine yourself, you must read about editing with a conflict of interest before you try it.
Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for inviting me to the Teahouse!

I just wanted to thank you guys for inviting me to this group! I just wanted to ask a question about this page: Combined statistical area How do I change the Population Tables section of the page? I need to change how many Combined Statistical Areas there are from 175 to 176 underneath the Metropolitan Areas section.

Sincerely, Omnificent879!--Omnificent879 (talk) 7:37, PM, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Omnificent879, the table is a template. You should see a V. T. E at the right hand bottom corner; hitting "E" will take you to the edit window of the template. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:12, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Drafts

I created and made a draft but i cant seem to find the button where you submit it for review — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itssslime kidd (talk • contribs) 09:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello again Itssslime kidd. I've added a header to Draft:Alpha Lowkey, with a "Submit" button. But don't submit it yet, as it will be declined immediately, because you haven't got a single reference. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia isn't interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows): it is only interested in what has been published in reliable sources about a subject, and preferably by people wholly unconnected with the subject. That means that every single piecec of information in an article should come from a reliable published source; and while the rules don't say you have to cite every bit of it, you need to cite enough sources to show that the subject is notable. There are a load of useful links in the header I've added: please have a look at them. --ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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