* Comment Sandman888 (talk) 08:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
[reply]- I'm not convinced that the image meets the requirements for fair use.
- "It was the first Champions League final where neither of the finalists exited the group stage as group winners." <- is not that an interesting fact.
- try adding some social or political perspectives. It's very stats-heavy as it is.
- I think Darren Cann and Mike Mullarkey should be linked
- broadcasting section is very short. There must be more to add here, about how many people saw it, how many countries broadcast it etc.
you might consider putting a link to UEFA Champions League in lede.
- Comment Sandman888 (talk) 10:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- refs:
As I believe it, when using short reffing, you should put "Nick Simons, Steve Archibald (commentators). (27 July 2009). UEFA Champions League Final 2009: FC Barcelona v Manchester United. [DVD]. FC Barcelona. Event occurs at 0:03:50–0:04:00. ASIN B002FYAGEE." under general references.
inconsistent wikilinking of "Union of European Football Associations". Personally I find it a bit dull, but it should be all the time or one time, not 5 consecutive times and then no more.
- Done.
You should do it the first time they appear in refs, and then no more. Same for all publishers. Sandman888 (talk) 07:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh right, I've done that now. – PeeJay 13:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Some quotes from Guardiola and SAF whould be nice, preferably in neat boxes.
- I can do this, but where would you suggest I put them. The article is already pretty saturated with images, so I'm not sure where quotes would fit.
- Perhaps in the road to rome part? Also Guardiolas motivational Gladiator video is not mentioned anywhere, perhaps it should be. Sandman888 (talk) 07:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Like I said, the whole article is pretty saturated with images, and all of the images are appropriate to their place in the article. I've tried adding a couple of quotes to the "Reaction" section, but I think I may have just made it look like crap. I could probably add something about the "Gladiator" video somewhere though. – PeeJay 13:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Barcelona were seeded for the third qualifying round draw" might wikilink to the appropriate place in the 08-09 CL article.
maybe delink Polish Champions in the next bit.
delink Man united
"However, television replays after the incident appeared to show that Anelka tripped over his own feet." mind OR here.
- I thought the reference I provided already mentioned that Anelka tripped himself up, but if not I'll try to find one that does.
- I mean "appeared to show that Anelka tripped over his own feet" that sounds like its your observation. Same with the other OR. Sandman888 (talk) 07:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I've changed the wording to say that "there was little contact between Abidal and Anelka", and I have added a reference to that effect. I don't think there is any OR in the statement about Fletcher's "foul" on Fabregas, as it is noted in the reference that Fletcher got the ball before bringing Fabregas down. – PeeJay 13:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- "Despite this, they found themselves guilty of several fouls, while Chelsea made four unsuccessful penalty appeals during the match." might note the public controversy surrounding this incident.
- Iniesta has called the goal against Chelsea the most important in his life. I can't find a source ATM, but that wd be a interesting quote.
- This fact is also pretty fun, http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Iniestas-goal-at-Chelsea-increased-the-birth-rate-in-Barcelona/5363/ , maybe you can find a better source. It'll, IMO, make it more interesting.
- To be honest, I feel that the three comments above would be better suited to the 2008–09 UEFA Champions League knockout stage article. I know this may sound a little hypocritical, considering the detail I have put into the two teams' paths to the final, but these are my feelings.
- Okay #2 is trivia. However #1 must have an article somewhere, this was very controversial, can you link to it then? (I still think #3 is a gem) Sandman888 (talk) 14:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- " a foul for which Fletcher was sent off – despite replays showing that Fletcher had won the ball before making contact with Fàbregas." mind OR
- See my reply about the Anelka OR.
Ticketing: can you state how many of the 67,000 are then commercial partners?
- I believe I've been a victim of my own serial comma here. The number of tickets reserved for the commercial partners is included in the 17,000 set aside for the "European football family".
- Kit: the stuff about when they wore what colour seems very irrelevant.
- I agree to a certain extent, but some football clubs can be very superstitious about the colour of the kit they wear in big matches. For example, Milan have chosen to wear white for their last two Champions League finals because it is their "maglia fortunata" (lucky kit). Therefore, it seemed appropriate to note the times when Barcelona and Manchester United have worn particular colours in European finals.
- I think that need to be explicit then, we can't seem like we're buying into the superstition. An editor must be scientific and atheist when editing. Sandman888 (talk) 07:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I wouldn't say that we're buying into the superstition; I think I was simply adding information that readers may find interesting, given the tendency for clubs to prefer certain colours. – PeeJay 13:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes but you need to know that to decode the information properly. If you're a football novice the said part is just weird ("Why is so much attention given to shirts? This doesn't make sense."). So at least you should link to an article about said superstition, explain it or remove it. Sandman888 (talk) 14:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmmm, fair enough. Do you think it's at all appropriate to keep the information about how each team's colours were decided? I feel it would be interesting to note that Barcelona were given first choice as they are the "home team". But then that brings me back to the two teams' European final pedigrees in their different colours; if it's appropriate to note that Barca had first choice, then perhaps it's also appropriate to note their history in their chosen colours? – PeeJay 01:36, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Trophy presentation: "Gerard Piqué fraternised with his erstwhile team-mates." sounds a bit un-encyclopaedic.
- To be honest, I thought it was interesting to note that Pique commiserated with the Manchester United players before joining in with the Barcelona celebrations. Is there another wording that you would suggest? – PeeJay 20:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps, but maybe fraternised cd be replaced with talked. It doesn't imply anything. Sandman888 (talk) 07:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- How about "sympathised"? – PeeJay 13:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)~[reply]
- I'm sorry but we don't know that, unless its said in a source, where it shd be in qoutes. Talked is the most objective. Sandman888 (talk) 14:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
officials: "Matthias Arnet and Francesco Buragina, with Claudio Circhetta" they shd all be redlinked (they're notable) as you did under match overview. Sandman888 (talk) 07:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I have linked Circhetta, but delinked Arnet and Buragina. I am not aware of any circumstance where an assistant referee has become notable without going on to be a senior match official, whereas Circhetta has refereed Champions League and Europa League matches in the past. – PeeJay 13:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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