Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kathryn D. Sullivan/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 27 September 2022 [1].
Kathryn D. Sullivan edit
This article is about Kathy Sullivan. Sullivan was selected as a NASA astronaut candidate with NASA Astronaut Group 8, the first group to include women; the group also included Sally Ride and Judith Resnik. Unlike them, Sullivan is still alive, and is currently serving as a scientific advisor to President Joe Biden. She has flown in space and descended to the deepest point in the world's oceans. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Image review edit
- File:Kathryn Sullivan, PCAST Member (cropped).jpg. What is the evidence this was taken by a federal employee acting within the scope of their duties, rather than being (for example) a copyright acquired by the federal government or held elsewhere?
- It is on the White House site, and the copyright notice says everything on the site is either PD or CC-SA 3.0
- File:Sullivan Views the Earth - GPN-2000-001082.jpg. Dead links.
- File:STS-41-G Sullivan checks SIR-B antenna latch.jpg Can we just have one link, that works, on the image page?
- Doesn't seem so.
- File:Sullivan and Ride Show Sleep Restraints - GPN-2000-001032.jpg Dead links
- That's it.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- File:Kathryn Sullivan, PCAST Member (cropped).jpg. What is the evidence this was taken by a federal employee acting within the scope of their duties, rather than being (for example) a copyright acquired by the federal government or held elsewhere?
Comments by Wehwalt edit
- Not very much.
- " They installed a valve into a satellite propulsion system that mimicked that of Landsat 4 and transferred 59 kilograms (130 lb) of hydrazine to it using the ORS." So they didn't actually refuel a satellite?
- "In September 1988, Sullivan was assigned to the STS-61-J mission, which was scheduled to deploy the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) in August 1986.[22] " There seems to be an issue of continuity with this sentence.
CommentsSupport by Balon Greyjoy
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- It looks like her service years are 1988-2006, which is short of the standard 20 year retirement. Were there extenuating circumstances to her retiring early from the Navy Reserves, or did she separate instead of retire? I know the source says retirement, but it seems strange that she wouldn't have done all 20 years.
- "The rules required that humanities students..." This reads vaguely, maybe something like "The school required that humanities students take three science to graduate"
- There's a bit of MOS:SANDWICH in the NASA career and Civilian career sections. Not a dealbreaker for me, but not sure if you want to change the layout at all.
All I have! Balon Greyjoy (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Nice work! I support this nomination. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 11:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Z1720 edit
Non-expert prose review
- "Her tenure ended on January 20, 2017, with the swearing in of President Donald Trump." Her appointment ending with Trump's presidency is not mentioned in the body. I don't think this is an important fact in her biography, so perhaps it can be, "Sullivan was Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere and Administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) after being confirmed by the US Senate on March 6, 2014, and her tenure ended on January 20, 2017."
- "and his wife Barbara née Kelly." I think "née Kelly" should be in brackets.
- "She chose to enter the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC)," -> "She chose to attend the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC)" I think attend is a more precise word for this situation.
- Suggest using level 3 heading to divide the "NASA career" section
- "In 2014, Sullivan was honored in the Time 100 list." -> "In 2014, Sullivan was named in the Time 100 list of most influential people in the world." Some people might not consider it an honor to be on this list, so named makes it more neutral. Also, not everyone knows what Time 100 is, so to avoid people clicking on the link to find out I suggest adding a brief description of what the list is.
Those are my thoughts. I made some minor edits to the article while reviewing it (mostly formatting). Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Kusma edit
Great work on all these women astronauts! I have a few comments but nothing major I think.
- Rhea Seddon is ready to go next. Anna Fisher is languishing at GA, and Eileen Collins at A-Class. That leaves Shannon Lucid; I am yet to start on that one. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm wondering whether some section titles can be improved, or things moved around a little. The STS-41-G section starts with a paragraph about other astronaut work with little connection to that mission. The STS-61-J was cancelled, which could be reflected in the section title ("Cancelled Hubble Space Telescope deployment mission" is too long, but maybe you get what I think). The first sentence of "military career" seems slightly out of place given the title, but maybe that is the best one can do.
- "numerous in-cabin experiments as well as activating eight "Getaway Special" canisters" do we know anything about these?
- Linked to the article on Getaway Special. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- "firing a pulse of electron into the upper atmosphere and recording the luminosity induced with a special camera" wouldn't we usually say "an electron pulse" or "a pulse of electrons"? (I'm also curious about the experiment; given how far beta radiation travels in sea level air I would expect you need to have near vacuum conditions for this experiment to do much. But that is probably too much detail here).
- This is the only place where I've seen the abbreviation "CAPOCOM". Typo?
Will continue soon, bed now. —Kusma (talk) 23:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Happy with changes so far. Slightly more:
- The main infobox image has fairly low resolution and doesn't scale up well to larger thumbnail sizes. (This is a problem with the original White House image). Consider other relatively recent portraits instead?
- "The STS-61-J mission was cancelled after the January 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, but the crew continued to work on the mission." Hmm, that almost sounds like they pretended it wasn't cancelled. Better to say they worked on the mission objectives?
- "They also operated a variety of cameras, including the IMAX cargo bay camera, for Earth observations from their record setting altitude of 380 miles" a bit convoluted, and it is unclear which record is being set. Perhaps make the record (I assume it is furthest distance from Earth in the Space Shuttle) an extra sentence and clarify. Was the record ever broken during the Shuttle's service ? (probably equalled by further Hubble missions).
- There is a bit of debate about this but I'm not sure that this qualifies as a RS. Officially, STS-31's record was broken by the STS-82 HST servicing mission. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- say who Sylvia Earle is
- "William J. Clinton" why so formal?
- In response to the question regarding the formality of William J Clinton, I have updated the article to reflect Bill Clinton as his more commonly used name.--TommyBoy (talk) 20:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- External links could do with some copyediting (and perhaps thinking about which of these are needed). "Appearances of Kathy Sullivan on the C-Span TV network" would be clearer for the first one. "Talking about how she felt to be selected", the second one, should state more clearly that the link goes to a video. The third website seems to have more than just podcasts.
- The C-SPAN external link is implemented with a template. One that is permanently protected from editing because it is a heavily used or highly visible template. I'm not changing it. Suggest seeking consensus at Template talk:C-SPAN if you feel strongly about it. Hawkeye7 (discuss)
Think that's all! —Kusma (talk) 16:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- While I'm still not thrilled about the lead image (but not sure what to suggest as a replacement), changes are enough for me to support. —Kusma (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Support by Figureskatingfan edit
I have nothing to add that others haven't already added. Congrats on your ongoing work on articles about women astronauts. This is a well-written and well-sourced bio, so it has my enthusiastic support. Best of luck going forward. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Coord note edit
I conducted a source review for reliability/formatting and nothing of concern leapt out so I'll be promoting this shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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