Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Destiny's Child/archive1

Destiny's Child edit

Support The Supergroup band Destiny's Child deserves to be in the featured articles for their great achievement in music! They have comprehensive articles and also very detailed profiles. They also are not complicated. They write to the point about this band very well. -Person22 03:55, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not well organized: the "fashion" section is a joke, as is the endorsements and products and filmography (both of which seem better suited to the individual members' articles). Discography and Awards need a summary here and a pointer to the main article. The section heading "Final Destiny and the Future" sounds like advertising, not an encyclopedia. "Records and Facts" needs to be incorporated into the rest of the article. Needs references, preferably with inline citations. The article is in general not very well-written (lots of passive voice, for example), and there are a lot of one sentence paragraphs. Tuf-Kat 04:11, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, then. What do we need to do to improve this article? Furthermore, the endorsements and the fasion shows proof that they have accomplished and supported by helping that company, so it is vital. How can we improve? What can we fix?
  - I think his comment is pretty clear about what needs to be done - remove the passive voice, condense the one sentence paragraphs, add inline citations, 'etc. →Raul654 04:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - The issue with the fashion section that is that it's marketing speak. I've read it and have no idea what it's about. Apparently, one or more members of Destiny's Child, in collaboration with some other people, did something involving some kind of company that does something related to fashion. That's all I can get out of it. What is "infrastructure for licensing and brand management"? They brought "trend-setting style and a creative take on fashion to stylish women everywhere" -- please! I know oodles of stylish women, none of whom would be caught dead wearing anything promoted by trash like Destiny's Child. Cite your opinions to whoever holds them. And the endorsements appear to be specific to each individual, so why list them here instead of in their articles? Tuf-Kat 04:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks great OmegaWikipedia 06:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Object
1. The image Image:Destinyschild.jpg is of much higher resolution than is needed. It should be reduced to a size of 480 pixels or smaller to comply with fair-use requirements.
2. The image Image:DestinyFulfilled-photo.jpg is claimed as "fair use", but does not indicate the source or copyright holder. Without those, it's impossible to claim fair use. Further, the image seems to be unneccesary to the article, and should be removed. (the image appears to have been cropped from the Destiny Fulfilled album cover, Image:DestinyFulfilled.jpg, and therefore can not be classed as fair use, and should be removed for that reason. Rossrs 14:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC))[reply]
3. The last quarter of the article is lists of various sorts. Most of these should be removed or worked into the prose.
4. I can't be sure about this because of how many lists there are at the end, but there don't appear to be any references.
--Carnildo 07:02, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I agree with the previous criticisms relating to the lack of references, image copyrights and writing style. There are errors throughout the article that could easily be fixed and just look careless. Simple things like using capital letters for "Destiny's Child" and in song titles. "Fanzine" type language is a problem - for example "supergroup" is not a real word and it appears in two sentences in a row. "Independent Women ...raced up the charts and spent an astounding 11 weeks... is another example. Stevie Wonder and Al Green should not be referred to as "Soul legend"(s). This type of language needs to be removed. Be consistent in use of the members' names. Kelly Rowland is referred to as "Kelly" and as "Rowland" for example. Standard format should be either full name or surname only, never just the first name. Lead paragraph is far too brief and should be a synopsis of the article. "Final Destiny and The Future" is a very cheesy non encyclopedic heading. The "Fashion" section - completely meaningless. If it needs to be there at least explain why it's there. It reads like a publicity blurb - its style is totally different to the rest of the article, and needs to be reworded or removed. The "Records and Facts" section is a bit like a "Trivia" section, something to be avoided. Any facts worth keeping need to be absorbed into the article, and the section deleted. Having said all that, there are some very good things about the article, so take heart, but a lot of work is required to get it up to FA standard. Rossrs 13:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- "Supergroup" is a perfectly-good term in several scientific fields, including mathematics and theoretical physics. It's just that this isn't science. --Carnildo 17:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Supergroup is a perfectly valid word in music too. See Supergroup (bands). I don't see how Destiny's Child could qualify as one, though. Tuf-Kat 19:09, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - I stand (somewhat) corrected. "Supergroup" is a word. When I go to work tomorrow, I'll aim to use it in a sentence at least once, if I can somehow steer the conversation to theoretical physics, which I'm sure I'll manage. Perhaps I should have said "Destiny's Child is not a supergroup". Perhaps if they'd been salvaged from the remnants of a bunch of other old bands, maybe. OK, somebody calling them a "supergroup", and me calling them not, are both examples of POV, and more than a good enough reason to excise the word from the article. Rossrs 11:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to Peer Review, and welcome back with the article to FAC when it fits the FAC criteria. Bishonen | talk 23:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to Peer Revew as per Bishonen. I put a "cleanup" tag on the article, and discovered it was an FAC when I clicked the talk page to stay why it needs cleaning up: This article reads like a fan page, has no cohesive style, is improperly formatted, and is hard-to-read.. --FuriousFreddy 00:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]