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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 12 August 2022 [1].


Anna Wilson (basketball)Edit

Nominator(s): Therapyisgood (talk) 23:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

This article is about Anna Wilson, the sister of NFL quarterback Russell Wilson and the woman who holds the Stanford Cardinal record for most career games played, with 160. She won the 2021 NCAA tournament with the Cardinal, and was in the final four in 2022 until losing to Uconn. I believe this is ready for FA status. I don't believe she is pursuing WNBA but she is keeping her options open. If anything changes I'll be sure to update the article. Now that her college career is over, I think the article is stable enough to be a featured article. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Comments from ChrisTheDudeEdit

Please bear in mind I know almost nothing about basketball, although I did attend a game once while on holiday in New York........

  • "Wilson played as a senior, Wilson averaged" - could probably change one of the two Wilsons to "she"
  • "Wilson played primarily a bench role" - what's a "bench role"? Is there an appropriate wikilink?
  • "year, where she started" - a year isn't a place, so I don't think "where" is the right conjunction to use here
  • "Her father played football" - presumably what he played was American football rather than real football soccer......? ;-)
  • "By age five, Anna played basketball" - wikilink basketball (as far as I can see it isn't actually linked anywhere in the article......
  • "As a high school sophomore" - what is a "sophomore"? Is there an appropriate wikilink?
  • "Wilson only played in six games her freshman year" - what is a "freshman year"?
  • "Wilson only played in six games her freshman year due to health issues: Wilson missed the first eleven games of her freshman year" - could change the second Wilson to "she" and lose the second "freshman year" as it's obvious you are still talking about that year
  • "In her junior year" - what's a "junior year"?
  • "As a senior" - what's a "senior" in this context?
  • "As a fifth-year senior" - what's a "fifth-year senior"? Presumably someone in their fifth year at university?
  • "who played college football as a wide receiver, and college baseball" - could lose the "as a wide receiver" as extraneous detail given that it isn't his article (it would help the sentence flow a bit better as well)

That's what I got. A good read although I got lost trying to figure out some terminology which would probably be really clear to someone from the United States but isn't to someone from the other side of the pond....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: thanks for the review, comments responded to. Therapyisgood (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

image review

  • Suggest adding alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
    • Am looking into how to do this with Template:Infobox basketball biography. Therapyisgood (talk) 14:28, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
      • This can be done by adding this parameter to the infobox: | alt = Sportzeditz (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
        • Thanks. Added with the alt parameter, though I didn't see it at the infobox for Template:Infobox basketball biography. Therapyisgood (talk) 21:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
          Drive-by comment from a reader: I've now added references to the alt parameter in that template's documentation. (This is also one of many infoboxes that doesn't expose an upright scaling factor from InfoboxImage but probably should...) 25 pages had already found it. That template has a surprising number of unsupported parameter pages, too. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 04:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Comments from SportzeditzEdit

  • "American college basketball player" → "American former college basketball player"
  • "At the 2014 FIBA Under-17 World Championship for Women, Wilson won a gold medal as a part of Team USA" - link Team USA to United States women's national under-17 basketball team and make this a separate sentence.
  • McDonald's All-American selection and state championship, as well as Pac-12 Co-Defensive Player of the Year award, may be worth including in the lead. High school statistics can be removed from lead.
    • Added and removed high school statistics. Therapyisgood (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Rename "Early life" section to "Early life and high school career".
  • 2014 FIBA Under-17 World Championship information can be moved to a separate "National team career" section following "College career", if there is enough info. Participation in 2013 USA Basketball Women's U16 National Team Trials could be added here as well.
    • I'm not sure there's enough for an entire section but I did add that she participated in U16 trials. I also added some from her time at Collegiate. Therapyisgood (talk) 22:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
  • To improve comprehensiveness, add more information from this article about early life and early high school career. Wilson's relationship with her late father is also notable to include in this section.
    • Added first article. Therapyisgood (talk) 20:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
      • Will add the second soon. Therapyisgood (talk) 20:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
        • I added a line from the second article but I couldn't find specifics on her relationship with her father. I remember reading about it somewhere. I'll be sure to add a line on it. Therapyisgood (talk) 21:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Wilson entered the 2022 WNBA draft and was undrafted, which should be included in the body and infobox.
  • In personal life: add information about undergraduate and master's degrees, as described here. Sportzeditz (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
@Sportzeditz: comments responded to, thanks for the review. Therapyisgood (talk) 21:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Comments EdwininlondonEdit

I don't know much about college basketball, so just some prose comments:

  • Should there not be a link to the disambiguation page to allow the user to get to other Anna Wilsons?
  • Wilson and the team finished with an undefeated season --> the way I read this is that the team ceased to exist, is that what happened?
  • should her position not be in the lead?
  • as a part of Team USA at the 2014 FIBA Under-17 World Championship for Women as the United States defeated Spain --> not the most elegant of sentences. Perhaps a rephrase such that we do not have USA and United States
    • To be honest it should be obvious she was a part of Team USA, so I've cut that part. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
  • missed her only field goal attempted --> missed her only attempt at a field goal?
    • Yes. I believe this is clear from the wording. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
  • which comprises many of the top-ranked American and Canadian high school basketball graduates played the same day as a counterpart boys' game --> bit difficult to parse, perhaps insert "and is" before played? And perhaps the sentence should be in past tense?
    • Added "and was." Changed to past tense. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
  • suffered a concussion in practice --> did she play at all? (Hopefully not)
  • Wilson only played in six games her freshman year --> insert "during"?
  • I think the first sentence of College career should mention and link to Stanford Cardinal
  • 35 games --> inconsistency with the numbers: earlier we have thirty-two games played. See MOS:NUM
  • I see other players have a Career statistics section: Steve_Nash and Haley Jones for example. Should there not be one here?

That's all from me. Nice work. Edwininlondon (talk) 17:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Edwininlondon: comments responded to, thanks for the review! Therapyisgood (talk) 03:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
OK, all fine, except for the lead now has an unexplained acronym: "(fourth in NCAA history)". This should be spelled out and linked. Edwininlondon (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
@Edwininlondon: done. Therapyisgood (talk) 20:00, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Support on prose. Edwininlondon (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Source reviewEdit

Footnote numbers refer to this version.

  • It looks like you are generally using the work parameter instead of the publisher parameter in your citations. That's an acceptable way to do it, but if so you are missing the work parameter in [6], and you have publisher instead of work in [11], [21] and [22].
    • Added for reference 6. All changed to work. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

More tomorrow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

  • What makes prospectsnation.com a reliable source?
    • Cited by WNBA here, here, and here, cited by various colleges here, here, here, here, and here. It's one of two (the other being ESPN) women's basketball talent evaluating organizations in the United States of America. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
  • The archive copy of [32] doesn't seem to include the graphics. I can't tell exactly what you're citing from this page; are the graphics a necessary part of the citation?

That's everything I can see. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: comments responded to, thanks for the review. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Pass. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:07, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Support Comments from Sportsfan77777Edit

I'll review the article. I was the one who reviewed it for GA status last year. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Sportsfan77777: reminder. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
I'll get to it tomorrow. Apologies for the delay. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 21:06, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Lead

  • "over a career, with 160 (fourth in National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) history)" <<<=== The comma and parentheses are both out of place here. How about "over a career with 160, the fourth-most in the history of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)"?
  • career assists with 246 and had the fifth-most points in team history, with 735 <<<=== you don't need that comma (it's not consistent with the first part of the sentence)
  • Playing as a senior for the Bellevue High School Wolverines, <<<=== suggest changing the phrasing to clarify she moved to this school
  • high school basketball graduates <<<=== it's not graduates, it's graduating seniors.
  • The second paragraph of the lead seems unbalanced in general. Some specifics below...
  • You need to clarify somewhere that she played six seasons. That is quite unusual.
  • Split her 2021 accomplishments into a separate sentence.
  • And/or maybe group the defensive accomplishments in one sentence. It's weird that "selected to the Pac-12 All-Defensive Team in her final two years with the team" refers to 2021 and 2022 when everything else in that sentence is only 2022.
  • The "WNBA Draft" is a term in itself. It isn't proper to write it out "Women's National Basketball Association draft" or even "Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) draft". The easiest fix is I don't think you to spell out what WNBA stands for. (In this case in particular, it's not important because she isn't a WNBA player.)
  • 2021 NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Championship Game <<<=== This isn't really the common name. Suggest abbreviating as "NCAA Division I national championship" or something like that
  • Suggest identifying Russell Wilson as a Super Bowl winning quarterback with the Seahawks instead of his current role, which is less well-known.
    • Kept that he's with the Broncos but added his SB win. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Early life

  • "while her grandmother was a college professor and her uncle graduated from Harvard Law School." <<<=== Do you know these are related to her father? If not, I would suggest putting it in a separate sentence.
  • By age five, Anna played basketball ===>>> "By age five, Anna began playing basketball"
  • as she got older, her father coached her at a local YMCA. Her father died when she was 12 <<<=== Suggest connecting these into one sentence: " As she got older, her father coached her at a local YMCA before he died when she was 12."
  • "Under-16 United States team trials" <<<=== clarify "United States under-16 national team trials" (this is the way the source writes it)
  • "three minutes and five seconds" <<<=== just "three minutes" or possibly "3:05 minutes", it's strange to include seconds unless you write it as 3:05
  • She attended Collegiate School in Richmond, Virginia, where she enrolled in the eighth grade, before she moved to Bellevue, Washington for her senior year. <<<=== the writing could be better
  • with 246 and had the fifth-most points in team history, with 735 <<<=== same issue with the comma as in the lead
  • "five-star prospect, and the 42nd-best player" <<<=== same thing, you use the comma in the first fragment of this sentence but not the later fragment that says something similar
  • "basketball graduates" <<<=== same issue as in the lead
  • "before the match, Wilson suffered a concussion in practice, which was her third.[5] Wilson did not play in the match." suggest connecting these in the same sentence, and split it off from the previous sentence.
  • "match" should just be "game" ("match" is never used in the US for a single basketball game)

College

  • if you refer to her fifth year as "fifth-year senior", then her sixth year should be "sixth-year senior"
    • I controlled f for "sixth year" and didn't find anything. If there's something I'm missing feel free to let me know. Therapyisgood (talk) 03:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
  • "2019 NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Tournament" <<<=== this shouldn't be capitalized (i.e. it should be 2019 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament)
    • I think either is OK, our article is capitalized.
  • After the first mention, they should be abbreviated to the common name: "the NCAA tournament", "Pac-12 conference tournament"
  • Same for "Pac-12 Conference Women's Basketball Tournament" to "Pac-12 Conference women's basketball tournament" to "Pac-12 conference tournament"
  • You don't need to spell out what NCAA stands for again in the body. NCAA is the common name, and you already did it in the lead.
  • "Wilson was granted another season of eligibility at Stanford under the National Collegiate Athletic Association's (NCAA's) hardship-waiver rule, which states an athlete may gain another year of eligibility if he or she sustained an injury or illness in the first half of the team's season, and the player only played in up to thirty percent of the team's games, after an appeal of an initial denial" <<<=== overly technical, just "Because of the health issues her freshman year, Wilson was granted another season of eligibility at Stanford under the NCAA's hardship wavier rule[footnote] after she appealed an initial denial." and footnote the specifics
  • She finished with career highs in minutes per game, at 23.6, field goal percentage, at .509, and rebounds per game, with 3.7,[3] as the Cardinal defeated the Arizona Wildcats 54–53 to win the 2021 NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Championship Game <<<=== split into two sentences, separating the season averages with the championship
  • "eligible to return for a sixth season" ===>>> "eligible to play a sixth season"
  • "had a steal and scored the go-ahead layup" <<<=== scored the go-ahead layup after stealing an inbound pass (it wasn't clear these are connected)
  • final four <<<=== should be capitalized "Final Four" and linked to NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament#Final Four
  • PAC-12 <<<== capitalized by mistake
  • Women's National Basketball Association draft <<<==== same issue as lead
  • a process by which professional teams select players to play for their teams <<<=== suggest writing out what WNBA stands for here, "in which teams in the Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) select players to sign for their rosters"

A bunch of really small things, nothing major. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 22:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I'll address these in the coming days. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
@Sportsfan77777: comments responded to. Therapyisgood (talk) 04:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Looks good, supporting! Good work! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 19:50, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
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