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The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 00:25, 8 September 2008 [1].

1995 Pacific Grand Prix edit

Nominator(s): D.M.N. (talk)


I'm nominating this article for featured article because it mirrors the already featured article, the 1995 Japanese Grand Prix. The article has gone through a peer review, as well as a sources check. The external links check out with the links checker. There appears to also be no problems with the images as well. I have opted to skip the GAN stage and head straight for FAC. D.M.N. (talk) 13:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - All images are free, licenses appear to be good, no significant image problems. The image of Coulthard should probably be placed immediately in the "Practice and qualifying" section since it is talking about him taking the pole position through that (it might may the quote tight but I think it will work). Not a reason to fail, but any free images from race day itself? It may not be possible to find any free ones, and it reads fine without. --MASEM 19:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Moved the Coulthard image, it looks fine in it's new location. As for free images, I think it would be impossible to find a free use image given the fact that the event was thirteen years ago, and that the racetrack was in the "middle of nowhere" in Japan. A quick Flickr search shows no images with the correct license. D.M.N. (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support - I made a batch of comments already at the peer review, so I'll have to dig to find my usual nitpicks.

  • "to close on Coulthard who was on a two stop strategy." Needs a hyphen for two stop.
    • Done. Fixed in other places to where "two stop" should be "two-stop". D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "by lapping two seconds a lap faster than Coulthard..." Don't like lapping and lap together.
    • I've changed it to: "by lapping two seconds faster per lap than Coulthard..." - I've tried to move "lap" further away than "lapping". On that note, I've changed something else in that sentence, as there was originally repetition of "two" in the same sentence. I've changed the sentence too: "Schumacher opened up a gap of 21 seconds by lapping two seconds faster per lap than Coulthard, so that when his third stop came, he still led the race." ;) D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Report, Background: I'm never a fan of one-sentence paragraphs. I don't know how this can be expanded, but then I'm not a subject expert.
    • I'm not a favour of merging it, as that one-sentence para is talking about something completely different to the rest of the background. I'm pretty sure it cannot be expanded, I don't really want to start zooming off topic into how many the earthquake killed etc... D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Schumacher, his title-rival, said that Hill made 'half-hearted attempts' to overtake, which lead him to "getting into trouble." Perhaps change lead to led, and definitely flip him and to.
  • "after missing the European Grand Prix; resting because of a crash at the Portugese Grand Prix." Doesn't read that well with the semi-colon. This could be better: "after missing the European Grand Prix due to a crash at the Portugese Grand Prix."
    • I agree - I couldn't think of a better way to reword it. I've changed it to your version. ;) D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Practice and qualifying: "with Rubens Barrichello in the Jordan ninth, two seconds off the pace." I know it will look repetitive with the previous text, but this would look nicer as "ninth in the Jordan".
    • Done. It might sound repetitive, but it gets the point across anyway. D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Race: "Bertrand Gachot in the Pacific was the first person to retire from the race with a gearbox problem after completing two laps." I get what this is trying to say, but it sounds like he was the first driver to drop out on that lap. A minor rewrite would be helpful.
    • I've reworded it to "Bertrand Gachot in the Pacific became the first person to retire from the race with a gearbox problem on lap two." - Is that any better? I've dropped "after completing" as that probably sounded like he was the first person to retire on that lap. D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Number issue: "lap 5".
  • "Schumacher made his second stop on lap 38, coming out the pits..." Missing a word after the comma.
    • Changed to "coming out of the pits..." D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not in love with these back-to-back sentence openers: "The win meant that" "It meant that".
    • I've reworded both of those sentences. I've reworded it to: "Schumacher was crowned the 1995 Drivers' Champion as Hill could not catch his points total with two races remaining. He also became the youngest double Drivers' Champion in Formula One history." D.M.N. (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a little more that I haven't got to, but this is enough for now. I give you a lot of credit; you made me work hard to find these flaws. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've finally come back to look at the rest. It's almost getting too busy to keep up, meaning that my replies have been delayed recently. Sorry about that.
  • "Throughout the race, Barrichello and Magnussen engaged in a battle for tenth and eleventh positions,..." Number issue, especially considering the 11th two sentences later.
  • "After his impressive qualifying" performance. At least that is what this should say in some form.
  • Post-race: The Coulthard interview has two instances of wished in a sentence. I'd like to see one changed.
  • I've changed the first mention to: "Afterwards, he said that in hindsight he would have stayed on a..." D.M.N. (talk) 10:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • A similar problem: "with the track manager unable to keep the track profitable."
  • I've changed that last bit to: "with the manager of the TI Circuit unable to keep the venue financially profitable." [User:D.M.N.|D.M.N.]] (talk) 10:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is left over from the peer review: Is "insider" correct in reference 4? I'm unclear on that.
  • Woops, it's meant to be "inside". ;) D.M.N. (talk) 10:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm done here. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. D.M.N. (talk) 10:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question - Is the French flag used for Sauber in the constructors championship table correct? I know they went under the Swiss flag in later years, but I'm not sure what they were registered as in '95. AlexJ (talk) 22:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yep, they were registered as Swiss. My mistake. I've changed the flag to Swiss. D.M.N. (talk) 07:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support I have made a few edits to correct a few typos and a tiny bit of redundancy. [2]. The article is very well-written, exciting and gives a full account of the race and its background. I wish some of the heading intos could be replaced with before, but this is purely stylistic I suppose. I see all image and source issues have been resolved either here or the previous FAC. Thanks for an engaging read. Graham Colm Talk 18:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wow. Thanks for the support, D.M.N. (talk) 21:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. A great read on a complex topic, the technical bit of which is explained quite well the way the phrasing is worded. The article is also incredibly well-cited. Also was happy to see that all four of the images in the article are free-use and from Wikimedia Commons, I gave them a once-over and they all appear to check out appropriately. Excellent work. Cirt (talk) 07:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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