Zojomars
Thanks for weighing in, your perspective is valuable. – Teratix ₵ 11:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- ditto, I view the statement as a good summation of unspoken comments, those "interlopers" who are made unwelcome by one means or another and find something more useful to do. cygnis insignis 12:00, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- I came here to write something very similar to the above. Thank you for sharing your perspective, and hopefully it will help those pushing for greater civility. Thryduulf (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- That's a great write-up and I hope that you stay. FWIW, I am curious about yours' comparing us with FB/Twitter. Do you see us to be faring poorly, in these areas, when contrasted with them? I am obviously not stating that they shall be the benchmark but as far as my experience goes, both the sites fare near-equally when dealing with low-level incivility (once we ignore theirs' providing of options to mute/block users completely, which is never ever possible over a wiki). Then, once, we progress into the territory of outright assholes - people who spew communal/racist/sexist venom and all that; we are miles better ( WP:NONAZIS ....) ∯WBGconverse 16:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Teratix, cygnis insignis, Thryduulf, xeno, Winged Blades of Godric, thank you for the kind words, they're very much appreciated. The comparison to FB and Twitter was more about scale/professionalization than specific issues with harassment. Comparing any Wiki to a social media site is apples and oranges, honestly, but in terms of cultural cache and influence, I don't think anyone would deny that Wikipedia is up there with the major social networks and Google. What I was thinking about in my comment was the lack of centralization that exists on the editing side. There are very few large organizations that go this long without centralizing at least some authority, and the WMF is a lot weaker in its influence than I assumed it was before I started editing, and I don't think I'm alone in that misconception. My expectation would have been that if the WMF felt external pressure to deal with community culture, and I think most of the big sites' operators have in our post-Gamergate world, they would be able to implement changes as they saw fit. I also would not have guessed that at this point in time, after the WMF has been signaling their desire for communities to start taking this stuff more seriously for a couple years now, that there would be serious conversations about if this is even a real problem. For example, in terms of the relationship editors have to the site the closest analogue to Wikipedia I can think of is Youtube, and as far as I can tell the general consensus from the (non-fringey) creators over there is that harassment is a real thing that Youtube should be concerned about. zojomars (talk) 13:58, 14 June 2019 (UTC)