Wozza20

Career statistics

Just a quick note to say thanks for all the hard work that you are putting in to adding career statistics table to former Saints players' biographies. It is much appreciated. Best wishes Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 11:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC) COYR!

You're welcome. I was surprised how many Saints players didn't have full careers added, so I thought I'd add them in.

Thank you also for putting right any of the minor errors and typo's I make to ensure they are perfect.

I also admire the effort you've put in. But please could you consider adding the source(s) used for each row to that row: we're supposed to add references so that readers can see where the data came from and, if they choose, to be able to verify the figures themselves. The "sources above the table" method works OK for tables where one source verifies the whole table, or there's one source for English matches and one for French, or one main source and one for a competition not covered by that source, together with a note to say what the case is. But if what we have is a string of stats sites across the top with no indication of what figures come from which source, whose figures often don't agree with each other, or which don't cover competitions before a particular season yet don't say what seasons/competitions they do cover, the reader stands little chance of being able to verify anything.

Take Neil Maddison's Southampton stats as an example. Soccerbase covers nothing before 1992, and little that's remotely accurate before about 1996. worldfootball.net has no FA Cup before 1993, no League Cup before 1994, and no Full Members Cup. 11v11 appears complete for Southampton apart from the Full Members Cup, but the early years of his stats table don't correspond the 11v11 data. Sporting-heroes is only league stats. So please could you clarify what comes from where? thanks, Struway2 (talk) 09:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Please take a look at Alan McLoughlin. I believe this is more what you suggest for referencing. Wozza20 (talk) 23:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

More like it, certainly. But I'm still not sure why you have ENFA at the top. Either it's your main source, in which case lose the others, use ENFA's figures, and only have inline sources on rows for competitions ENFA doesn't cover, or if there's a mistake in one of ENFA's figures and you can show where. Or if it's your main source for rows without a what-Wikipedia-calls-reliable source of their own, put it inline on those rows, as at John McGreal, which uses ENFA for the seasons before Soccerbase kicked in. But if each row of a table is reliably sourced individually, it shouldn't need a source at the top. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

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