The Count!Edit

1692 - 1700 - 1708 (notice anything going on with the drama?) 1709 (fewer plays yet) 1710 1711 (no plays at all! it finally happened!), 1712, 1713 (three plays: Cato, Pirates of the Carribean, and John Gay; Johnny Depp was in two of them), 1714, 1715 (several plays, oddly), 1716 (and now the Drury Lane triumvirate writes its own plays), 1717, 1718, 1719, 1720, 1721, 1722, 1723, 1724, 1725, 1726, 1727, 1728, 1729,1730, 1731, 1732, 1733, 1734, 1735, 1736, 1737, 1738, 1739, 1740, 1741, 1742, 1743, 1744, 1745, 1746, 1747, 1748, 1749, 1750, 1751, 1752, 1753, 1754, 1755, 1756, 1757, 1758, 1759, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763, 1764, 1765, 1766, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, a year without novels, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1779, 1780, 1781, 1782, 1783.

So, don't go backward. Your pal, Utgard Loki 17:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Now over 50 years done. What will be the goal? Stop at 1750? Stop at 1789? Stop at 1798? Stop in 2008, when you die? Let's find out. Utgard Loki 18:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

In 1750, I'm starting to differentiate "poetry" and "fiction." I don't think anything as silly as "non-fiction" needs to be asserted, though, because there still aren't enough journals and sermons and the like to classify. However, it is time for the novel to step out (and it sure does). Utgard Loki 16:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm quitting at 1798. Utgard Loki 15:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

List of things to AfD, when I figure out the arcanum of that processEdit

  1. Universal Intelligence is about the weirdest effort at any article I've seen in surfing random links. It attempts to be about AI, chiropracty, Taoism, and Lutheranism...all at once!
  2. Rootsworld doesn't seem to have a paper analog or any indication of distribution.
  • Agreed - Speedy Deleted --Pmedema (talk) 03:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Construction foreman says that it's the foreman of a construction crew, believe it or not. More dictionary definition than speedy deletion, though.
  2. Humanity's Team is wholly starry eyed and seems to be about a fairly small religious/philosophical movement.
  3. List of songs by Tears for Fears is this actually necessary? Is this a redlink farm?
  4. Sullivan nod It seems to exist (not a CSD), but it's trivial, useless, and absolutely non-encyclopedic.
hehe. Done! The Land (talk) 08:18, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
  1. Adam Hieronim Sieniawski (1623-1650) The truth is that it could be a speedy delete for A1, but there are all these templates and tags and parts of this & that on it. It has to be better than this to be an encyclopedia article.
  2. Georgi Dimitrov Dimitrov Another that actually could be an A7 speedy delete, since there is no claim of note in the article itself. The dude probably is notable, but the article doesn't make the claim.
  3. List of Kylie Minogue awards and accolades Man alive! Are we all in love with her? Is this useful? Is this an article?
  4. Micah Johnson College football player. There are thousands. We do not get to write a "biography," of all things, of every college student who participates in a sport, no matter how high profile the sport is.
  5. Clan Cloud Cobra Nice of us to host GameFAQs material, isn't it?
  6. John Allen Borgman We have an infobox for every postmaster of Jonesboro, Arkansas? We have an article on each one? Can my gas station attendants get a box, too?
  7. Tad Schmaltz If that's real, then it's undistinguished. He has a job. I'm sure that's good, but what has he done, esp. given the strength of the Duke program (not very strong).
  8. Very weak claims to fame for Michael Dormer, and this is aggravated by the fact that the most famous Michael Dormer is the CEO of Johnson & Johnson.
  9. DoppioSenso Unico Looks bogus, and the writing sets off every bogosity alarm ever made.
  10. Goa Mix Oh, my! Essay anyone? Personal review, anyone? Gushing dance-cruft anyone?
  11. Graeme Harper (writer) It's hard to tell what this is. It looks like an academic, but all the books are on itsy bitsy presses.
  12. Chou Mahou Tairiku WOZZ A "superfanicom" fan game.
  13. Laminated list This is the best example of what's wrong with "memes" I've come across. How hot is this term now? Right.
  14. Performance report Dictionary definition.
  15. Omakase Yet another definition, and this time solely for sushi bars!
  16. To the question, "What is fancruft?" Dalton Chapman is the answer. It's fairly unbelievable that it would be written, and it's astonishing that it has not been flagged before.
  17. Kunal Ganjawala It at least needs to be at clean up. Read it, anyone! "Whose voice mesmerized you in...." No. I have not been mesmerized before (that I can remember).
  18. DeWitt Clinton Blair He funded buildings, and?
  19. Mendy I can't believe this would need to go through AfD, but it would.
  20. Hartwig Altenmüller Really, it's a speedy delete, but I know no one will actually do the deleting, because it has tags on it and that makes it good!
  21. JumpJet Yet another "there is nothing here" report. This is an article about a company that does not exist, and it is supposedly valuable because it says it doesn't exist.
  22. Marina Gershenovich Fails WP:V inter alia.
  23. Imminent Indeed Current theater only; no indication that this is a particularly famous or notable play.
  24. Cancelier Very obvious and clear dictionary definition, even written with such acknowledged.
  25. A Conservative Version: Is this popular, used, etc.? Is it a total translation? How is a psych prof qualified in Hebrew from three kingdoms and koine Greek?
  26. Robert S. McElvaine Random J. Professor
  27. Fiona Hall (artist) Pure link farm, page rank boosting. Dunno the artist, but I do know money making schemes when I see them.
  28. The Land (fiction) Largely empty, completely crufty.
  29. Michael Kölling He, uh, wrote some software, and there it is: his "biography." Oh, he has a tattoo. (AfD 2/28)
  30. QDesign It appears to be some software that isn't used anymore and isn't a landmark.
  31. Rob Wells Needs verification, seriously, as it claims to be a "hit record writer" but the verification is a stupid MySpace page.
  32. Advertising and disability Ok, this one is so bad that I think it's time to learn how to AfD something. I can't believe someone tagged it with "cleanup" instead of prod or AfD. (AfD 2/28)
  33. Wily & Right no RockBoard: That's Paradise Another "famicom" nonthing. (AfD 3/1)
  34. Brick (basketball) Folk etymology and dict def -- a bad, bad, bad one of a self-evident term.
  35. Hugo Selenski News report.
  36. Film title design essay
  37. Hoplophobia Protologism approved of by "Sam."
  38. Wilhelm Hertz (writer) Being translated for 6 mo., and still nothing about the man's significance in the world?
  39. Noble Street Good thing there's only one in the world and we know where that scrapyard is!
  40. The Scorpion's Dark Dance Blatant advertising, but not quite speedy delete
  41. Charlie Baker (comedian) Advertising a career.
  42. Barbara Harmer A lady who is a pilot; that's all it seems to be, and it's in present tense and not encyclopedic style.
  43. Børre Knudsen A footnote person leading a church of 7 people. The talk page doesn't help, either.
  44. Gospel Lighthouse Prison Evangelism It's a good idea, but it doesn't stand out from all the other prison outreach services by all the other churches all over the world.
  45. Sandyawan Sumardi He sounds great, but not great.
  46. List of organizations & people involved in money-laundering Inherently POV list.
  47. Patriots Video News Another "you've got to be kidding" article. They're not.
  48. Leslie Shemilt Oh, so now we're Who's Who in Canada?
  49. Suzanne Engo Sounds nice. Well below the bar.
  50. NewsGator Technologies Fails WPCorp so far as I can tell.
  51. Buffalo Man You have got to be joking!
  52. Gordon Duncan Looks like a copyvio, certainly a fan crush; incredibly inappropriate tone.

You've GOT to be kidding (edit these)Edit


Is geogre the owner of Peachoid that standard clean-up, such as removing dead image links, does not apply to the page? --David Shankbone 14:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Is anyone else? Why not? If the guy says he's going to look for a proper picture to make the point that was needed, and if he wrote the blasted thing from start to finish, I'd say "more than a template" he is. More than a -bot. More than an automated process. More than people who don't communicate on the talk page about 1) the presence of a problem, 2) the potential work arounds, 3) just grabbing any damned photo from the gallery to put in its place, yes. Still no talk on the talk:Peachoid? Why not? Why fly in the face of Wikipedia convention to honor the bots? Utgard Loki 17:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't a question of honoring the bots, it was a question of leaving a dead link to an image on an article, regardless of whether a replacement was being sought. --David Shankbone 21:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, then, go ask the question. From what I can tell, he wanted it as a visual reminder while an edit was ongoing, and you could have asked him yourself and found that out. Utgard Loki 14:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

facts vs judgments in old sourcesEdit

Hi Utgard, in connection with your entry at talk:Polonization could you please look at the bottom thread at talk:Kiev Expedition (1018). This is a very much related issue. TIA, --Irpen 21:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Beowulf (hero)Edit

Your comments at WP:ANI are well-made. Would you like to copy them into the merge discussion? --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 19:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I normally don't have a ton of time, but I certainly know the poem. While there are folks about who know a great deal about the sagas (some really top notch Norwegian and Swedish contributors, but, oddly, few Icelanders that I know of), I definitely know the poem and literature, so I suppose, if I'm going to enter the lists anywhere, this is a good spot. Thanks. Utgard Loki (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


RFA and ArbCom bring up the issue of "trusted" Wikipedians. The most obvious component of the "trusted" is that it is a past participle: someone has to do the trusting for a person to be "trusted."

Administrators are supposed to be "trusted" Wikipedians, and we know very well what that means in terms of an RFA: it means that whoever shows up to support the candidate is expressing her or his individual trust. Therefore, those persons who pass an RFA with 150 supports are very much "trusted" and should be administrators. What, though, of the people who pass with 20 supports?

If trust can be given, it must be possible for trust to be lost, as well. Obviously, someone who loses the bit through ArbCom action is not "trusted," to some degree, but it's quite possible for a person to lose "trust" far short of that.

1. Trusted by whom? A person who loses the bit from ArbCom actions is not trusted by ArbCom. That person is probably not trusted by the users, as well, but it does not follow. Similarly, a person could be "trusted" by members of ArbCom, invited into the admins.irc channel, etc. The problem is that there is no transitive power to trust. The friend of a friend may be a jerk. I can trust your judgment about policy disputes and not trust your judgment about character, because character and good editing are entirely different matters. I can trust your judgment about knowing when to recuse from a case and when to disqualify yourself and still not trust your judgment about whether other people will do the same.

Wikipedia, like all "user generated content" projects, is bottom up, not top down. It consists of an invitation to the entire world to edit and then hopes and guidance for maintaining an environment where it is possible for the world to edit. Therefore, the people giving guidance cannot decide for people who the people will trust. All user-generated projects are radical democracies, despite the inconvenience of that in practice.

in progress

Oh, that Loki!?Edit

...but then, I thought that Ragnarök was a brand of Scandanavian panty liner. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Truly the Twilight of the Gods. (Frigg saying, "Oh, the Frost Giants are in town.") I have always thought that Utgard Loki was an interesting cat, and the Aesir really acted like jerks. Come to giants' house, drink the drink, eat the food, and then clobber them and steal their boats. Utgard Loki (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

What happened?Edit

Well, I sort of blame everyone.

World of Wikicraft Once Wikipedia had the mercury of volunteer effort and voluntary association ossify into a skeleton of positions, all attention turned toward the jockeying of toadies and tyrants. It was inevitable, once "god-kings" and the like began allowing Wikipedia to operate only by their generosity, that it would become nothing but an endless passion play, where there are crucifixions daily on the hour, but no resurrections.

Jimbo and his friends introduced the idea of sufferance of the king, and the people who saw themselves as viziers immediately glommed onto it. Notice how frequently "emergency" powers are employed, how often there is an "emergency" that requires instant blocking, reverting, demoting, and the like. Also, notice that Matthew Arnold was right: people seem to yearn for a kind of fascism (a kind of it). Put people in a big crowd, and soon enough they'll have figured out Who Is In Charge.

Wikipedia was open, flat, and free. That's intolerable to a certain psychology. People used to say that "Wikipedia will collapse under its own weight," but we forgot that Wikipedia would cease being free, open, etc. We forgot that, left alone, they'd all get armies together, that they'd start snubbing and sniffing. That is what happened.


It is the nature of an hypothesis, when once a man has conceived it, that it assimilates every thing to itself, as proper nourishment; and, from the first moment of your begetting it, it generally grows the stronger by every thing you see, hear, read, or understand. This is of great use. – Tristram Shandy XLIV

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors AssociationEdit

The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring (and reliably sourced) contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here - suggestions welcome.

If you wish to be elected, please notify me here. If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here

Discussion is here.Peter Damian (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Put me in parenthesesEdit

Is that the literary equivalent of clapped in irons?[1]? :-) Joopercoopers (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, and safely quarantined, too. Better quarantined than guillotined, though. With what's happened at Giano's "Future" page and my satire of Durova, I had expected erasure. Utgard Loki (talk) 14:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

About the blockEdit

This account has been blocked because it has been used deceptively in a number of project space discussions (including AbrCom proceedings) without disclosing that it was operated by someone who was also participating in those discussions under another account; and that it was used to edit war in a content dispute where the primary account was involved (including in an administrative capacity).

While the information leading to the block has now been known by ArbCom for a small number of days, this block is a routine administrative action: it has been blocked like any other such sockpuppet would have been. The final disposition of the matter in its entirety has not yet been settled by ArbCom and this block is not at this time an action of the committee. — Coren (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Just noting here that the account has now been unblocked. Carcharoth (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


This is probably stupid, but does your username have any deliberate reference to Alagaësia? --RayqayzaDialgaWeird2210    15:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Canadian Ivy LeagueEdit

An article that you have been involved in editing, Canadian Ivy League, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian Ivy League. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Labattblueboy (talk) 20:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Bert Tatham has been nominated for deletion again hereEdit

You are being notified because you participated in a previous Afd regarding this article, and you deserve a chance to weigh in on this article once again. --Mkativerata (talk) 10:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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