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Draft for "Joseph Bae"

Thank you for your feedback on my first attempt at a Wikipedia article Draft:Joseph Bae. I am writing for more targeted advice on my references. I am writing about a finance executive who is referenced by name in three different Wikipedia articles (articles for KKR, Exor, Janice Y. K. Lee all reference Bae) and who is a public figure via his philanthropy (he might be worth listing under notable Harvard alums). In my research, I drew from the following sources: Wall Street Journal, Reuters, New York Times, Forbes, and Bloomberg, as well as the KKR website for basic biographical information. All these sources discussed Bae by name and in depth.

Should I look for more references? Or make better use of the ones I have? Or are these major news organizations not neutral enough?

Thank you in advance for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brick the golden (talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Brick the golden, None of those sources show coverage of the subject that is either in depth or apart from being WP:ROUTINE except maybe the wedding vows article and that's not going to be enough. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sulfurboy: I included several articles from widely distributed publications that I don't think can be considered routine coverage. Specifically, Reuters' "Exclusive: KKR Asia business architect Bae to return to U.S." and "KKR names Bae, Nuttall as co-presidents in step toward succession"; Private Equity International's "Bae's Rise to the Top of KKR"; Harvest's "Teamwork at the Top: In Conversation With KKR’s Joseph Bae and Scott Nuttall". While not in the headline, he's discussed quite a bit in the NYT article "K.K.R. Lays Out a Line of Succession, a Rare Move in Private Equity". I'm not trying to be obstinate, I just think it's clear that he's been covered in the media repeatedly, more so than many other business people who do have Wikipedia pages. Are the articles I reference above really routine coverage, akin to sports or wedding announcements? And does the subject not clear the bar of notability, "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."?

The Reuters and NYT article is WP:ROUTINE corporate coverage. The PEI article is unreliable as there is no confirmed author nor editorial oversight and in all likelihood black hat SEO. The Harvest source is a primary interview which does not denote notability. This page doesn't come close to denoting notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Suppressing redirects on moving drafts

I see you are still moving drafts from user space to draft space without leaving a redirect. Is that just an oversight, or do you have a good reason for doing it? JBW (talk) 22:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

JBW, An oversight. So by default for whatever reason the "leave a redirect" behind is unchecked when draftifying (but not when doing other moves). However, when you do it from our AfC script it's checked by default. So I think there might have been one or two times when I either checked or unchecked incorrectly. I'll just start running them all through the draftify script to avoid this confusion in the future. Thanks again. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation. I wonder why it is set up to work that way. I'm not going to claim that it's a really big deal, but it does seem to me slightly better to leave a redirect, for the reason I mentioned before. JBW (talk) 23:21, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

JBW, Who knows. Probably because the scripts were created for different needs even though they both accomplish the same thing. But I do fully agree with your sentiment that it's always best to leave the redirect and since that's how it is set by default in the AfC script, then that seems the appropriate thing to do. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 00:55:21, 9 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by ArtistofWNY

• ArtistofWNY (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Alberto Rey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, the page I am working on entitled "Alberto Rey" (a visual artist) was flagged as not being written from a neutral point of view. Could you please point out what language or parts of the article appear biased? I do not believe I used any "peacocking" language as the flag suggests. Any descriptions of his projects were not judgments or about the quality, success, or merit of his activities, but merely relaying the information I compiled. I apologize as this is my first article written for Wikipedia and though I have been reading through the many guidelines and help pages, this process is still somewhat confusing to me. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time. ArtistofWNY (talk) 00:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

ArtistofWNY (talk) 00:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Lord Hyeamang

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Lord Hyeamang passes WP:NGRIDIRON per [1] [2] Joeykai (talk) 02:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Joeykai, Neither of those sources confirm he actually played a down. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how "played two games with the Alouettes in 2019" does not confirm that he actually played in those two games Joeykai (talk) 03:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Joeykai, Because he has to play an actual down. All that confirms is that he suited up for two games. That's two totally different things. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

[3] This should confirm he actually played in two games Joeykai (talk) 04:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Joeykai, Dude I'm not skimming through a 55 page pdf document to see what you're talking about. If you find a proper source that shows he played an actual down then post it on the draft. otherwise the page will continue to be declined. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Page 28 of 55 shows he got credit for actually playing in two games (i.e. yes, he played at least one down in two different games), rather than the reserve/did not play designation. And this is an official CFL document, so is definitely a 'proper source' Joeykai (talk) 05:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

My article got rejected-This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified

Hi Sulfurboy,

I appreciate your reviews but I don't understand how to write the reference correctly and how to check the reliability of the source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishakha2588 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Vishakha2588, WP:REFB and WP:RS Sulfurboy (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Azure Data Explorer

Hi, I observe you accepted Azure Data Explorer at AfC. Did you notice these edit {Diff|Talk:Azure_Data_Explorer|950131022|950054608}} [4]. There are also a lot of WP:PRIMARY sources used on the article. Its fundamentally an appropriate subject for an article, I'm just concerned about possible bias and as an administrator hopeful I'd like you to check these points out. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Djm-leighpark, Yeah I'm not going to hold a draft back that's been waiting for months and is clearly notable just because of a some minimal neutrality issues. If you take issue with the neutrality of some of the primary sourcing then either improve it or tag it. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

hello,

hey am new in here i only have two days, and i am from Tanzania where we don't speak English fluently, so its so difficult but with your reviews am trying and i hope i will succeed to create my first article. so if there is any possibilities for you to help me on the creation please help me. i will learn. i hope one day i am gonna be a better one. all in all thank you for your comment.

(talk)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moses rukanima (talk • contribs) 15:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC) 

Draft:PremjiInvest

Hello Sulfurboy! I was wondering if you could give me some more sprecific suggestions on what is should add to Draft:PremjiInvest to make it suitable to publishing on Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, Usernameisentered (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Usernameisentered, Please see the decline message on the draft page and read the linked and applicable policies. If you have questions about those specific policies, let me know. Sulfurboy (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I don't understand what is meant by "significant coverage". Usernameisentered (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Usernameisentered, WP:SIGCOV Sulfurboy (talk) 22:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Joshua Cinnamo

Hi! Thank you for the feedback on my submission. I have reviewed and taken care of some citations that I mistakenly placed links on. I'd love to have you review it again and provide additional feedback should there be the necessity for it.

Thanks!

Loyal

04/13/2020 2:30p cst — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loyal122053 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

You are requested to kindly please have a look on my draft

draft: Saqib Iqbal Sham whether I am going right or not Maizbhandariya (talk) 20:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES

I noticed you deal a lot with NPP. It's been forever since I made a page, and standards have tightened up significantly. Is the above still considered a good rule? Because I recently copied across and modified material for a species from vi wiki that isn't yet here, it's well sourced but it's also a very short species stub. Back in the day that would've been more than enough but if things have changed I can just G7 it (took less than 10 minutes to convert) rather than wasting anyone's time. I haven't linked the draft here because I don't want it to appear like I'm trying to prioritize my own work over the massive backlog. Spectrum{{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 00:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

So, yes that is still the case. However, I tend to decline species pages that provide little or no context. That is, if the page just said "Species Randomus is in the genus and family Morandumus" and that's all, then that isn't a wiki article, that is a definition and Wikipedia is WP:NOT that. Those stub species articles typically survive AfD because other editors go in an add other stuff to the article. It's not fair to expect that of every article. Hope that clarifies. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

It does, thanks. Spectrum {{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

AFD

I apologize if you felt that the discussion was getting out of hand. I do get intense in debates but I did not intend to attack you personally, that's specifically why I said I did and do think you were acting in good intentions. Speculating on possible causes of our disagreement right after didn't help that message, I could very well be wrong about your objections too. I've made a commitment to myself that I should always try and work amicably with the people here also volunteering their time. I have added a few more sources to the AFD discussion that may change your mind. If it doesn't that's ok too, there will be others that weigh in and in the end consensus is king. I won't pester you more here, and even not return if you so wish. I will tone down my responses on the page if that helps you return to the issue at hand which I believe you and I both can solve. I've provided coverage spanning almost 100 years. It covers reviews of her roles, international tour and various mentions. Adding up she may not have superstar notability but she is definitely notable, one other piece of information was that she was a manager of someone who ended up quite famous herself. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hell in a Bucket, All good. I'm not going to come back to it unless specifically asked by another editor for clarification on it, as I prefer to making a clean break from stuff like that to prevent further arguing. And I don't care if you want to call me butthurt or whatever, but do it on my talk page. I, in fact welcome it, but it has no place under the umbrella of formality that is demanded of an AfD. Same goes with suggesting I have some sort of ulterior motive or that I'm being defensive because it was an article that was declined. I already have enough shitbird UPEs and generally (as you like to say) butthurt editors with COIs that are mad that I declined/rejected their drafts because they suggest I'm a racist/sexist/prejudiced/zionist/atheist/whateverist and don't really need to hear it from an experienced editor. Particularly, when most other AfC reviewers who have known me over the years will tell you I don't really care. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough and you're right you shouldn't have to endure that from another experienced editor. I've experienced some of the same in AfC mostly in the form of people who lie about who they are and why they promote themselves lol. Thanks for what you do and again, my apologies that you walked away with those feelings, our interactions in the future will be better. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Durette School

I agree that being listed on the National Register is sufficient to establish notability. It's just that the editor, FloridaArmy, is experienced enough to submit a decent article not just a one liner. Examining the references there is enough information to expand the article, covering the issues that I raised in my comments. Dan arndt (talk) 03:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Dan arndt, Oh he's experienced enough to do a lot of things, but willfully chooses not to. E.g., he's been warned by multiple reviewers about 30 times about properly formatting Gbooks sources (something I just autodecline now for them) There's a reason a lot of reviewers have just stopped looking at his articles and also a reason he now has to do all of his articles through the AfC process. However, if it unquestionably passes notability guidelines and there's no level of promotion or issue with source reliability, there's really not much that can be done. In my experience, it's better to just push it out to clear the log instead of wasting time trying to suggest improvements, as I can't recall a single time a suggestion for improvement was actually considered outside of what was needed to establish notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Its just a pain in the arse dealing with them. BTW good work on dealing with the AfC backlog. Dan arndt (talk) 03:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Phunnel

I was deciding whether to decline it with a harsh template or to reject with a harsh template and you simply rejected it. We agree. When it was previously submitted, it was an advertisement in marketing buzzspeak. They rewrote it into standard English, and it was still an advertisement. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, Yep and a cursory google search showed there was little to no hope of it meeting notability guidelines or it doing so anytime soon. Sulfurboy (talk) 20:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Barakat-Perenthaler syndrome

I accepted it. If in doubt about the standards for a medical article, I', m one of the people you could ask. DGG ( talk ) 23:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

DGG, I'll keep that in mind next time. My biggest concern was the entire sections of the page that had no cites which looks to be cleared up now. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Ferulic acid decarboxylase (Fdc)

I accepted the article. Even in the version that you saw, the context was clear enough to anyone who would be likely to be interested in the article. There are many fields I do not understand--probably including the fields for at least 3/4 of the articles submitted to WP--and I try not to review articles in them DGG ( talk ) 00:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

DGG, For clarification, as I understood it previously the standard is that the lead should be able to inform the uninitiated reader enough about the subject so that they do not have to open additional pages to understand it. Am I interpreting your suggestion correctly to instead view it as it should provide enough context for the type of reader who would look up the subject, not just any reader? Sulfurboy (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

This is impossible in many technical subjects. Most of our articles on computer sciences, mathematics and physics, and a great many of the chemical and biological sciences fail this test. It is desirable to try to write at least an introductory paragraph explaining the significance, but how can one possible explain the significance of an individual one of the tens of thousands of enzymes without in essence making it a course in biochemistry.? DGG ( talk ) 02:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

DGG Fair enough, in the future I'll loosen my criterion for it and consider the probable audience. Thanks. Sulfurboy (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Lim_Yit_Min

Hi Sulfurboy, Thanks for your feedback and advice. I have made my paid contributor declaration in my user page. Apology for not making this declaration in the first place. Once again, thank you, keep well and stay healthy.

～～～～Luminosity123 (talk) 09:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Cloud Omelette

Hi,

I am not paid to write any articles nor have any interest in doing any promotional writings. The website is currently co-owned by myself.

Thought I could start my Wikipedia editing with my own website first before venturing further.

Happy to remove the page if it's violating the policies.

If you co-own the site you need to properly disclose as you have a financial stake. Please take the time to read our policies if you are going to continue paid editing and editing with a WP:COISulfurboy (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Creating Canada's Best Managed Companies

Hi Sulfurboy, I would appreciate elaboration. I wrote the article because I found that the wikipedia backlog regarding requested articles included the subject. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics#Business. The issue of notability is derived from there. As a side note, during the research for the article, I've come to see it as notable. Its a major award in the Canadian business landscape, and companies are above proud to receive it. Moreover, candidacy for it requires the companies to undergo tedious coaching and other burdens, only to be considered.

Regarding the tone - please clarify - I have not gave any synthesized statements and have expressed zero opinion. Pratat (talk) 14:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Pratat, A subject being listed on that page does not make it notable, in fact subjects are regularly posted on that page that aren't notable. I would recommend reading over the linked policies linked in the decline message since you don't yet seem to have a solid grasp of what we mean by notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ricardo Eichmann

Dear Sulfurboy, you rejected the draft on Ricardo Eichmann and linked the criteria for notability for academics. So far in the article I only mentioned that Eichmann is a professor, would it suffice if I mention that he's the director of the Orient department at the German Archaeological Institute? It seems to me that that would suffice the academics notability criteria (specifically point 6 "highest-level elected or appointed administrative post"). Maltimore (talk) 16:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Maltimore, No, I wouldn't believe so. 6 typically refers to whoever is the head of the institution as a whole. I would imagine that most profs at that institute have a similar title of being a director or head of some subset. It's worth a shot though, I probably would defer to another reviewer for their opinion. You can also seek clarification on the talk page of that notability guideline by making a post at Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics) Sulfurboy (talk) 16:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 02:28:45, 16 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by ChristinaL.P.

• ChristinaL.P. (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Dina Kao (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am confused as to how I can make the subject seem more noteworthy. I used appropriate articles as references that were published (not blogs nor social media) which discuss the works that the subject has contributed to and how these have had huge impacts on the community and how important it is. I am mainly confused because I looked at other Wikipedia articles as an example (or "template") to base myself off of, and it seems quite subjective to determine that this subject is not noteworthy, whereas other published and acceptable articles I have read are of the same caliber.

ChristinaL.P. (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

ChristinaL.P., I'm not sure why you are bringing up other pages. There's roughly six million pages on Wikipedia, if you have issue with an existing article, then you should apply any applicable maintenance templates or nominate it for deletion. I would instead focus on your article and clearly demonstrate how this subject passes WP:PROF. I can tell you that it is quite rare for an associate professor to meet that guideline. Sulfurboy (talk) 02:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Apologies if this message is not properly transmitted, I am unsure of how to use this properly. What I mean is what is it that is the issue with the notability? Is it just that the work itself is not worthwhile (an issue with the article or the way it is writen), or is it specifically that the references I used do not properly demonstrate that it is noteworthy? I am asking because I have pages worth of various sources I used to write the article, and chose the ones that seemed the most credible to me (peer reviewed, etc.), but if this is not the case, I can change to other references. If the issue is with the content of the article, unfortunately, there isn't much I can change about that.

ChristinaL.P. (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

ChristinaL.P., Again, as stated multiple times now, notability needs to be clearly demonstrated via WP:PROF. If you feel other references would do a better job of that you're welcome to try, but like I said, it's incredibly rare that someone who is an associate professor would qualify under that guideline.

About New Kind of Nework

HI Sulfurboy, thank you for your kindly Suggestion. I have modified the citation style recently. Actually, I take IPFS as the reference, including writing neutrally and finding the citation and reference to create this article. I think the citation and reference are enough to support the article, if not, could you please tell me where or how should I improve this. Really appreciate your help!

here is the link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:New_Kind_of_Network Maxchangyuchih (talk) 03:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Big Rick Daniels

I added that Big Rick Daniels is now syndicated on Sun Broadcast Group. That was one of the suggestions from moderators to resubmit with.

He did not win the ACM award, but just being a nominee is pretty notable. Its a part of country music history.

The article has citing from trade publications, that provide in depth coverage of the subject. There are also cites that show local and national coverage that are more than just passing mentions.

There are other articles with FAR LESS coverage, notability that have been allowed to be published, example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiley_Morning_Show

I would ask you to reconsider this article please.

Smokethatskinwagon (talk) 13:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

1828

Jasonreed1828 (talk) 15:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, you just declined my new page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:1828_(website)

First, I have no financial interest to disclose - I'm Deputy Editor of 1828, but I'm not an employee. It's a voluntary position. I'm a full-time student.

Second, it says in the comment that the page has too many citations - last time it was declined for not having enough citations?

Thanks

(by talk reader) @Jasonreed1828: You've plastered the draft with citations from the website where you are the deputy editor. We need sources that are independent. While the BBC citations are independent, I'm still not sure you've made a case for general notability. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @Chris troutman: The citations you're talking about are showing that various notable people have written for our website, so they are links to their author pages - I'm not sure how else I can cite that other than linking to our own site? Other citations elsewhere include Sky News, the BBC, LBC Radio and Conservative Home, which are all reputable. Jason Reed (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Pauline Johnson

I have declined this draft again and have requested a topic-ban against the paid editor. Johnson probably should have a BLP; she appears to satisfy academic notability. But she won't get a neutral article as long as her flack is sending stupid fluff down the AFC pipe. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks Behrouz asbahi sis (talk) 22:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for accept

Hi I try editing Wikipedia persian or farsi but managers block my function on site for 30 days . Because I say one joke for one admins or manager and tell me you can not say joke in Wikipedia ! I accept and for 30 day can not edit in Wikipedia!!! 😯 Behrouz asbahi sis (talk) 22:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Sulfurboy

Block me = taranet gharouni Behrouz asbahi sis (talk) 22:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Behrouz asbahi sis, This is the english wikipedia, we do not have any control over actions taken on a persian or farsi wiki Sulfurboy (talk) 22:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Please tell Wikipedia manager this subject for known Behrouz asbahi sis (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks I accept Wikipedia farsi dictators manager 😂🙏🙏 Behrouz asbahi sis (talk) 22:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:The Doo Wop Shop

Hi Sulfurboy! Thank you for taking the time to review the draft for The Doo Wop Shop. Regarding notability among a cappella groups, although it is a niche audience, the a cappella community is quite a large one. Achievements such as the CARAs are like the "Grammys of A Cappella", as cheesy as it sounds. And although achievements of The Doo Wop Shop are mostly covered by local news sources, being invited to Radio City Music Hall's Christmas Spectacular and the White House Holiday Reception for service staff, as well as America's Got Talent's auditions and The Sing Off (The Sing Off was a nationally televised A Cappella program featuring top professional and scholastic groups, and was where Pentatonix got their start) is a reflection of The Doo Wop Shop's notability beyond "Boston" (the specifics of those events aren't publicized by those entities for various reasons). Obviously we aren't touting popularity that rivals Ariana Grande or other chart-topping musical artists, but I disagree that we are not notable within a large audience of people. I understand that since it is a niche audience and we don't have a large number of national references, it may seem like we lack notability, but your review was based on your limited and subjective understanding of a cappella as a community and its reaches. Would it help to add a list of notable alumni? I can reference sources that display their notability but it is difficult to find more recent sources directly pertaining to The Doo Wop Shop's recent achievements. Compared to many a cappella groups that have existing wikipedia articles, however, it seems like we exceed the standards for being a reputable a cappella group, although the a cappella community may collectively fail to meet "general notability standards". That being said, again I understand the standards that are applied to all incoming articles and I apologize if some of the above statements come off as a little charged. Can you please let me know a little bit more about what qualifies as notable, or specifically which a cappella-related sources may be useful to cite? Thank you again for your time! Patricknie7359 (talk) 8:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Patricknie7359, You can review WP:BAND for an idea of some thing that may qualify the group. You also need to properly declare your WP:COI with the subject since it is now apparent you are a representative of that group. You should note it is quite frowned upon to write about yourself or an organization you are affiliated with. If your group is truly notable, someone will write about it eventually. While some of the things you listed are nice, none would demonstrate notability. If you have issue with other a cappella groups wiki pages then feel free to nominate them for deletion. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS

Request on 12:30:30, 17 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Claireatwaves

• Claireatwaves (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Mark Lewis (designer) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'd like to delete this and continue with the Mark St John Lewis draft - how do I do this, please?

Thanks

Claireatwaves (talk) 12:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Claireatwaves, Just don't edit it and after six months it will be automatically deleted. You also need to properly disclose your WP:COI and financial stake with the subject. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Carlos Cruchaga

I see you rejected Draft:Carlos Cruchaga for lacking in-line citations. While that was certainly true, it was obvious it was somebody posting their resume, and in fact an earwig search quickly found it was a total copy-paste from their faculty page. You might want to routinely run an earwig check on everything you review :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RoySmith, I typically try to when a page stands out or before publishing to mainspace, but earwig likes to crap out on me all the time. Thanks for catching it :D Sulfurboy (talk) 14:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Sulfurboy, Yeah, earwig is unstable, but this one had "I've posted my academic resume to wikipedia" written all over it as soon as I glanced at it. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Nacsport

Hi Sulfurboy,

Thanks for taking a look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nacsport

Re: Your comment. I don't believe anybody has previously asked me to disclose anything, unless I missed it. I actually put a disclaimer in the Nacsport Talk page but I now realise this should have gone in my own user page, which I have now done. I repeat that disclaimer here for you:

I want to make it clear that I am not being paid to write this article. That being said, I have done some paid copywriting for this company in the past. This article is simply a way for me to pass time during the Corona Virus crisis here in Spain where the whole country is on lockdown. I'm trying to learn a new writing skill.

I chose this subject to write about because they are one of the few companies in the Canary Islands which has a presence on the global stage. I also wanted to write about something which is close to home (Gran Canaria, Spain) and something which hasn't previously been written about. I've spoken to Nacsport about this and they gave me the green light to write this, and I did make them aware of wikipedia policies about objectivity (although I'm learning a lot about this too during the writing process!), etc.''

Can you advise me if this is sufficient a disclaimer to allow me to continue with the article?

Thanks in advance,

DuncRitchie (talk) 14:42, 17 April 2020 (UTC)Duncan Ritchie

DuncRitchie You were asked at User_talk:DuncRitchie#Editing_with_a_possible_conflict_of_interest back in March to properly disclose. In that message is the proper steps to declaring a WP:COISulfurboy (talk) 14:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Sulfurboy Thanks and sorry, I missed this. But as I said, I'm not being paid for writing this article. I've put a disclaimer about it on my user page. So, what's the next step, please?

Thanks in advance,

DuncRitchie (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)DuncRitchie

DuncRitchie, Again, as already pointed out in the COI message on your talk page, you need to follow the guidelines outlined at Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#How_to_disclose_a_COI Sulfurboy (talk) 15:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Sulfurboy Hi Sulfurboy. Sorry for the run around. Wikipedia is hard to get my head round. I've put the COI information in the Draft: Nacsport talk page. Hopefully this is correct? Thanks for your patience!

DuncRitchie (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)DuncRitchie

A kitten for you!

I don't know what I'm doing but a kitten?

RMJ13 (talk) 23:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Hobart Reimann, MD

Hola, Sulfurboy!

My article just got declined for peacock language. The bot didn't like the use of the word "landmark." There are probably a few other peacocks in there, too.

The subject is a medical doctor who wrote a landmark article on Pneumonias in 1938, which is part of the reason he is notable. A landmark article in medicine is the first time a subject is discussed in a peer-reviewed publication. Reimann's was viral pneumonias, which had not been described prior to 1938.

How should I edit this article so it doesn't get bounced for that particular word?

I'll have a look for other language that might be an issue, but I think that's the one (it gets repeated a couple of times in discussion/reference to that article) that's causing the main issue.

Thanks! (the ever mildly problematic-- Sicklemoon (talk) 23:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC) )

Okay, I deleted the word "renowned" from the first paragraph. Should I resubmit, or wait? What about the possibly redundant usage of the word "Landmark"? Sicklemoon (talk) 23:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft

Hello Sulfurboy! I wrote an article since February about a Tunisian champion cyclist became paratriathlete to a road accident . Could you submit this draft. Best Regards --Chdondon1990 (talk) 00:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mohamed_Islam_Bouglia

Looks like the article has already been resubmitted. Thanks. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sulfurboy: : Thank you --Chdondon1990 (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Middlesex University Dubai

Hi there, I noticed that my draft was declined due to the lack of reliable references but I am a little confused because, the sources I had given was off the university's courses page and the news paper company Khaleej Times here in Dubai, which has a Wikipedia page. I also noticed that Murdoch University Dubai had passed the review with only one reference from another UAE based news agency like Khaleej Times. If you could tell me what needs to be done or maybe reconsider the decision, it would be really appreciated thank you!. (Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 08:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC))

Joey Gonzalez page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joey_Gonzalez

Hey, thanks for reviewing the page. A lot of editors have looked at it over the months, but it keeps getting rejected. The subject is well-known and has been written about a lot, so I just don't understand what I'm dong wrong. I've added a wide variety of sources and I've written in a neutral tone. I'm happy to delete areas or re-work things, but I just don't understand. The post is not an ad; it's not "Executive LinkedIn," as one reviewer put it. I feel like it's written thoughtfully and that the subject is worthy of an article. Any advice you have is much appreciated. Thanks. Djb2183 (talk) 13:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

MIT Open Learning

Futureoflearning (talk) 14:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC) Thank you so much for creating the page MIT Open Learning!

Request on 16:05:48, 18 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Tnpoliticofan

• Tnpoliticofan (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Lee Mills (politician) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can you help me understand how to get this article published? I am trying to get Wiki's posted about local political folks (I enjoy politics). You mentioned that I only used passing references on the subject, but there were 20 articles on this person. Not sure how that is not sufficient?

Thanks.

Tnpoliticofan (talk) 16:05, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Tnpoliticofan, As Robert already pointed out in a previous review, the subject does not pass WP:NPOL. Candidates for office are not presumed notable. If and when he wins the election, he would pass that notability standard. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Kosmos 214

Hello, Kosmos 214 is my first article and I can't write the references I know. I really need your help. Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 02:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:techtalktv

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Approve this article Mohammed aquib k (talk) 03:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Edna Mosher

FYI I fixed up the Sandbox article on Edna Mosher and moved it to draft space. The user had posted at women in Red asking for help. Mosher seems very notable, now that more refs have been found.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Hermann_Hess_Helfenstein

Hi Sulfurboy:

I am glad to inform, that all your observations are now incorporated in the short Biography Draft:Hermann_Hess_Helfenstein

Please, I will appreciate if you could delete the tags containing your declination.

Thanks for understanding and helping.

Regards, Ciete007

Artist not relevant rejection

Hello Sulfurboy,

You've rejected our page submission because our artist topic is not relevant to you, I am writing to please reconsider our submission.

The artist we are writing about has been around for 20 years, toured the globe and will be releasing it's 10th album this summer.

We can provide you a number of instances of other similar artist's Wikipedia pages that have not been around as long, not released as many albums, and have only references to interviews and album reviews, all of which you mentioned have been issues that caused our rejection.

Currently Google Play (and other outlets) curate their artist information from Wikipedia. Without a Wikipedia entry, the artist looks unprofessional. Also in Google search, past members are shown as being in the band, when founding and current are not. Google search is in most cases the first introduction to information about the artist.

In our first attempt to post a page our formatting did not follow Wikipedia guidelines. We learned from that experience and have not provided correct formatting, citing relevant references.

If you can please reconsider and re-review our submission I would appreciate it. Again, without a Wikipedia page the group's professional appearance is hindered, and is causing confusion with current and past fans of the artist.

Please advise.

Thank you

Who is the 'we' you keep referring to? You also have not properly disclosed your WP:COI and financial stake with the company and should cease editing until you do so. I would recommend properly following our guidelines, particularly on establish notability. Wikipedia is NOT here for you to advertise your band or to help you get "curated" on Google Play.

Article submission question & similar article

Greetings, in creating my first article for WIKIPEDIA, thank you for the recommendations for editing - I will work and resubmit. As far as references of significance, I can include others, however, when surfing related figures in the area I came across one Wiki entry that I found had no references and seemed less notable to me, however, was published. RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaine_Stewart - can you give me some guidance as to what this article contains on the subject that the one I submitted does not? Thanks for your input. I hope to continue articles on people in the media and different programs that I find widely known and covered in my area. Again, thanks for your time and help.

Clarification on Draft: Subrata Roy (Scientist)

Hi Sulfurboy! Thank you for taking the time to review my draft article Draft:Subrata Roy (Scientist) and providing feedback. I am writing this message for clarification on the reason you provided for article rejection (not written from a neutral point of view). Since the rejection, I've made an effort to remove peacock and flowery language (except where it is part of a formal title, e.g. "Distinguished" in "Distinguished Fellow") and I've provided citations for my claims. Did I address all your concerns for the article, or is there more work to be done? Thank you so much.

Sincerely, Cpor

Luke Swann page

Hello, you accepted my article Luke Swann earlier this week (very grateful thank you). You mentioned that it's been classified as a 'start-class" article and that is mentioned in the talk section, however after looking I couldn't see where it says that? Only asking as I am going to work hard to improve the article and wanted to keep an eye on its classification. Many thanks for your help. Pegs50 (talk) 17:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Pegs50, The article would actually be considered stub class due to how short it is. The classification is a preliminary setting. If you want to improve the grading on it, you would need to work with the individual projects that have been tagged with the page. All of that information can be found on the page's talk page. If you look near the top of the page (right above the 'K' in 'Luke'), you'll find the link to the talk page. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

That's very helpful thank you very much again. Pegs50 (talk) 06:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I this's avinav yadav I want to create a wikipedia page so please suggest me Avinav yadav 02:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Holland (talk • contribs)

draft Jason George (writer)

Hello, SulfurBoy. Thank you again for your feedback. I am following up about my article as it relates to Jason George, the television producer and creator of Into the Night. As you’ve suggested, the link to my article is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jason_George_(writer) I’ve revised the page off your other suggestions, including more citations that are not just “passing mentions” and made sure those citations are from “published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.” I am learning, and welcome learning more, if I have again fallen short in my composition. Thank you again. / John/

WP:Bombard - has this been fixed?

Hi, I had a comment on the article I produced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Carl_Reader which had too many citations. I have reduced these significantly as I found a page referencing his work. Is this more suitable now? If so, would you kindly be able to mark the WP Bombard comment as fixed - if not, please suggest or make any more required edits?

WP :User/Cinemapremi - Two different cinema personalities

Hi , My page has been sent for resubmission after the feedback that there is a person with that name already. To clarify you on that ,these two are two different people working in same industry. You are confused with name "Amulya".Amulya is actress in Kannada film Industry.Nisha Ravikrishnan is an actress in Kannada film industry who protrays role of Amulya in daily soap.

So, two distinct actresses working in same industry. My article has been moved to draft : Amulya. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amulya Please help me publish with name : Nisha Ravikrishnan Much thanks

Request on 01:56:30, 20 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by NYStrat

• NYStrat (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Smart Design (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sulfurboy, Thought it might be useful to talk through the thinking behind my last edit in response to your comments. In trying to make a list of things that Smart Design has created, my intention was to catalog rather than advertise, but I wasn't sure what to call the cataloging, especially as the catalog is very incomplete (as only products that have been written about and that have had some legacy, are included). Looking at other people or companies that have created a body of work, I came across the term "selected works". I thought that this might be the most appropriate for Smart Design, implying that it is not the full body of work, and not saying that it is special in any way. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks, NYStrat (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

NYStrat (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

NYStrat, The whole page is still just tagline advertisements for various products. Sulfurboy (talk) 02:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I see what you mean. In terms of the "selected work", does it make a difference that the first three products have not been on the market for many years? The reason for the description was to let readers know what the products were, but if just having the names is more appropriate, I will remove the descriptions.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,NYStrat (talk) 02:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

NYStrat, I don't think you're getting it. Wikipedia is NOT a place to advertise products for customers to read about. An article about a company should discuss the company and it's history and why it is notable. If discussing one of those products is integral to that story, then it should be incorporated as such with secondary sources discussing how that product is important to that company's history. If you want to advertise your companies products then buy a TV ad. Wikipedia isn't the place for it. Sulfurboy (talk) 02:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again Sulfurboy for your feedback. I will go back and rethink the article from that perspective.

For what it's worth though, I'd like to be clear that Smart Design does not produce or sell products. The reason for mentioning each of them was not to advertise them, but that (I believe) each hits Wikipedia's notability standards. Who today would want a low-resolution camcorder that requires a USB connection for sharing? Yet in its day it was a big deal.

Maybe I can be clearer about that. I will try. Thanks again for your (remarkably speedy) help.

NYStrat (talk) 02:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sulfurboy I've taken your advice to heart and removed any text that was about what the company created, rather than the company itself. I've also re-referenced the article, and added quotes for clarity. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. NYStrat (talk) 19:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Re: Kieron Connolly

Hi. Not sure if this will help to advance matters, but much of the work referred to can be found in the Library of Congress, and other notable institutions around the globe. I'll type a link as one example. Stay safe - and wash your hands!

https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=55889&recCount=25&recPointer=7&bibId=14492108

Serafim Kalliadasis

Dear Sulfurboy,

First of all, I'd like to thank you for your time and effort with the review process with the biography-article on Prof. Serafim Kalliadasis However, I'd like to have some further advice on how to make this draft a publishable article. I've tried to add as much reference to external sources as I could, e.g. links the official articles pages, links to Imperial College London website and the professional Imperial College's site of Prof. S. Kalliadasis. I was one of his alumni and was trying to publish some short biography purely based on the official website (link). I'll be very happy should you have any comments that really help me to improve the draft and get it published.

Thanks again for your time and effort and, Best regards

You need to properly format and cite your sources. All you've done is put external links in the body of the article. External links should not be in the body text of the article. They need to be removed or transformed to proper references. This information on how to do all of this is available in the links in the decline message. Specifically, you will need to review WP:REFB and WP:MINREF. Also, since you know the subject you have a WP:COI, as such, you will need to properly declare this. I will add info to your user talk page. Sulfurboy (talk) 08:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Not able to understand why my contribution is declined,I'm new to wikipedia

Hello Sulfurboy, I'm new to wikipedia.I'm not understanding why my contibution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Swagat_Thorat is rejected . Swagat Thorat is called Braille Man of India he is the first person to start magazine for blind ,His name is there in Limca book of records .His work is noteworthy for Blind ,I have also given references of news papers like Indian Express ,Hindu . Please guide me .

Matthew D. Webster

Hi Sulfurboy,

I read your review on the page for Matthew. I included several top newspaper articles on him, names of journals, there are more that is waiting to be published, however COVID-19 has taken hit from it and several references to his reserchgate page,

But you declined it very quickly?

He is a young academic and is on his way to being a top researcher and this page is to help increase his reach as a researcher, what can be done to get his page accepted, as I am a little but stuck on what can be done

Link to page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Matthew_D._Webster

Thanks

You seem to be mistaken about the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not here to help increase the reach of a researcher. My recommendation would be to read the linked policies given in the decline messages, particularly those surrounding notability guidelines. The page does not come close to present references to establish notability which is how it was able to be declined "very quickly". Also, per your comments in this message, it's apparent that you have a conflict of interest. I'm sending applicable information for proper disclosure to your user page. Sulfurboy (talk) 17:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, the whole point of having a page for him is to inform people properly of the research, who he is and what he does. I don't know him I have seen some of his stuff online, I never mentioned I knew the researcher.

So can you tell me that my page got declined because I don't have references on the page that shows who he is? or what he is doing?

Thanks

Request on 17:37:32, 20 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by SGMKnowledge

• SGMKnowledge (talk · contribs)
  • User:SGMKnowledge/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you Sulfurboy. I find your approach - and that of another reviewer's - to reviewing more balanced but I find another one is chronically dismissive. He is only into speedy deletion nomination? Wikipedia itself as a foundation recommends that newcomers be given a helping hand but what to say. All the best for the good effort and endeavor that Wikipedia is. Thanks. SGMKnowledge (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

SGMKnowledge (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Quick question about the NAVGTR Award for Lighting/Texturing

Hello Sulfurboy,

You recently moved the Draft:NAVGTR Award for Lighting/Texturing to draftspace. I understand that notability requires secondary sources but I think in this case it warrants an article based on the announcements from the NAVGTR website since they regulate the awards. It constitutes as fact. I am trying to clean up the main NAVGTR Awards page as the awards list grows longer and longer each year. It'll be more manageable. Please let me know what do you think of my arguement? Burair7 (talk) 18:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Burair7, The issue isn't the reliability of the existing sources. The issue is that there are no secondary sources to demonstrate notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sulfurboy, that's precisely what I mean. I didn't include any of the opinions and self praising just the facts(the category descriptions and the awards' nominees and winners). But thanks for your time I'll try to include secondary independent sources. Burair7 (talk) 18:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)