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Request for comment: Lead sentence for train or railway stations

In what way should the lead sentence of articles dealing with railway stations or train stations be fashioned? See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Request for comment: Identification of train or railway stations in the lead. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Additions of Template:Talk header

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Thanks, Ojorojo, I wasn't aware of that. I've been adding {{talkheader}} to the talk pages of articles that I've edited, but in the future I'll be more selective about which talk pages I add {{talkheader}} to. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Reversion on Keith Richard

Just to let you know, Keith Richards was called Keith Richard during the heart of his career, beginning with the first Rolling Stones album through at least Beggars Banquet. That's every album, every single, every songwriter reference almost through the very end of the 1960's. Just because the CD's and download sites might show something else now doesn't make this go away as a part of this great man's history. I had to dig around on the Internet to find out that it was Andrew Loog Oldham's idea. If you want to put that info somewhere else in the article, that's fine by me; it doesn't have to be in the intro, though that is where I usually see alternate names. But it should go somewhere. Shocking Blue (talk) 14:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@Shocking Blue: The name change is discussed in the last paragraph of Keith Richards#Early life. I've also added it to the infobox. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 16:43, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I'm happy. :-) The infobox is a good place for it. Maybe Wikipedia is where I found the info about Oldham after all. Shocking Blue (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Allen Klein

Hi, I've been looking over Allen Klein per your assessment request at WikiProject Biography. There's a lot of good progress here. Nice work! I love to see lots of citations to strong sources, and the sources you've chosen look good to me. With more inline citations and more diverse secondary sources, promoting this to C-class would be a no-brainer. (I'm sure some of this can be addressed by repeating existing sfn notes wherever they support a statement, instead of using each one just once.) I realize that Goodman is a major text for this subject, just take care not to make the article a summary of that one work.

For B-class and beyond, I would like to see a more cohesive flow to the narrative. Tell a story. Use shorter sentences. There is going to be some jumping around chronologically, so it's important to establish context and tie things together. Each paragraph and each section should flow logically from the one before. Some of the topic sentences already start strong:

"The split between Klein and the Stones led to years of litigation."

"Klein was hit with his first crisis in managing the Beatles when..."

"In 1964 Klein approached the Beatles' manager, Brian Epstein..."

If the topic sentence can set up the section or paragraph in, say, 18 words or less, even better.

I've left the assessment request in the queue. Another editor might see things differently, but I feel that an article of this length should be more densely populated with citations, drawing on a wider range of secondary sources. —Ringbang (talk) 00:57, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Ringbang. I'll try to make more improvements to the article when I have some free time. A major challenge has been finding sources other than the Fred Goodman biography. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 03:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

My pleasure. Good luck in your research! Since more citations might not get added for some time, I'm going to remove this from the assessment queue. —Ringbang (talk) 17:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Whose

Have a look. --John (talk) 13:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Interesting. I see that one of the definitions of "whose" at meriam-webster.com is "used to give more information about a person or thing already mentioned", and one of their examples is "the first poem whose publication he ever sanctioned", so it looks like you're right. The Grammar Bible by Strumpf and Douglas doesn't address this except, as I noted in one of my edit summaries, on page 179 it says "Who and its accompanying forms refers only to people." Apparently "whose" is the possessive form not only of "who" but of "which". I didn't know that! Thanks. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Tony Barrow

With respect, Tony passed away in Lancaster Royal Infirmary on Saturday night at 10.05pm. MikeB1966 (talk) 23:38, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

@MikeB1966: What's your source for this? Instead of edit warring we should talk about it at talk:Tony Barrow. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 23:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The Guardian is also saying that Barrow died at home in Morecambe: [1]. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 23:44, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately the newspapers have reported incorrect information, as I have first-hand information about this. MikeB1966 (talk) 06:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

@MikeB1966: Wikipedia doesn't allow original research. "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist." Even if you personally saw Tony Barrow die at Lancaster Royal Infirmary, unless you can find a secondary source for this, on Wikipedia we have to report that he died at his home in Morecambe. 12:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely no offence, I have not edited Wiki before, I just wanted this to be correct. As per the above scenario, how could I get a secondary source? Help would be much appreciated!! Thx. MikeB1966 (talk) 17:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

@MikeB1966: Secondary sources are explained at WP:SECONDARY. You need to find an article in a newspaper, magazine, or (eventually) book which says that Tony Barrow died at Lancaster Royal Infirmary. Some websites count as secondary sources, but only if they are reliable sources. See WP:RELIABLE. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

... revoke his membership ...

You may recall that I scratched my head over this incident when I was editing the U.S. Chess Federation page. Fischer was not a member (and hadn't been for at least a decade) when the motion was passed. So they didn't actually revoke his membership, just revoked his right to become a member. Perhaps just a nit.

I ran across a transcript of the USCF's meeting, and it was eye-opening. Brady, who was on the EB at the time, was distraught -- several dozen of his co-workers had been killed in 9/11, and there he was, the leading biographer of Fischer, and Fischer had gone on radio and cheered for the terrorists. The other EB members were evidently reluctant to get the USCF involved, and they knew that the USCF could do essentially nothing to punish or discipline Fischer, but to appease Brady they passed the motion that they did. The following year, after Brady's term had expired, they repealed. Bruce leverett (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Good point, Bruce. I've updated that section of the Bobby Fischer article. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Can I Get Your Help?

@Strawberry4Ever: I tried editing the Prince article, but it would not turn my citation lines into citations. Perhaps you know how to get it to take:

Prince had needed double hip-replacement surgery since 2005. A false rumor was spread by the tabloids that he would not undergo the operation because of his refusal to have blood transfusions. However, the Star Tribune reported that Larry Graham, Prince's mentor and Bible teacher, "denied claims that Prince couldn’t have hip surgery because his faith prohibited blood transfusions," putting the false rumor to rest, as hip surgery does not require blood transfusions.Harwin, Steven F., MD; Pivec, Robert, MD; Johnson, Aaron J., MD; Naziri, Qais, MD; Mont, Michael A., MD (August 1, 2012). "Revision Total Hip Arthroplasty in Jehovah's Witnesses". Orthopedics. 35 (Issue 8). Healio: e1145–e1151. doi:10.3928/01477447-20120725-11. Retrieved June 16, 2016. {{cite journal}}: |issue= has extra text (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)Wittman, P. H.; Wittman, F. W. (1992). "Total Hip Replacement Surgery without Blood Transfusion in Jehovah's Witnesses" (PDF). British Journal of Anaesthesia. 68. Oxford University Press: 306–30. Retrieved June 6, 2016.Bonnett, C. A.; Lapin, R.; Docuyanan, G. B. (January 16, 1987). "Total hip replacement in Jehovah's Witnesses under spinal anesthesia without transfusion". Orthopedic Review. 16 (1). MEDLINE: 43–47. PMC 3291034. PMID 3453957. The condition was caused by repeated onstage dancing in high-heeled boots. Prince had been using canes as part of his outfit from the early 1990s onwards; towards the end of his life he regularly walked with a cane in public engagements, which led to speculation that it resulted from his not having undergone the surgery. Corjay (talk) 20:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

References

@Corjay: It looks like you're missing some <ref> and </ref> tags. Try this:

Prince had needed double hip-replacement surgery since 2005. A false rumor was spread by the tabloids that he would not undergo the operation because of his refusal to have blood transfusions. However, the Star Tribune reported that Larry Graham, Prince's mentor and Bible teacher, "denied claims that Prince couldn’t have hip surgery because his faith prohibited blood transfusions," putting the false rumor to rest, as hip surgery does not require blood transfusions. The condition was caused by repeated onstage dancing in high-heeled boots. Prince had been using canes as part of his outfit from the early 1990s onwards; towards the end of his life he regularly walked with a cane in public engagements, which led to speculation that it resulted from his not having undergone the surgery.

References

I also think you should say something about the report that Prince had hip replacement surgery in 2010. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 21:44, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh yeah, duh! As to the hip replacement surgery, I went down the rabbit hole and found that it is Morris Day who reported that Prince had hip replacement surgery, not in 2010, but in 2008, which meshes with the 2008 and 2009 articles I was able to find. 2008 articles spoke of his immediate need for the surgery and Prince's comments about it, and one 2009 article spoke about the surgery in the past tense. So, though Kevin Frasier of ET claimed 2010, it's probably better to trust the quoted words of Morris Day, given the evidence. Thanks for reminding me. Corjay (talk) 00:29, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

"Ordinary"

Re [2]. It´s a minor thing, but it was actually kinda motivated. Listen to the last 30s fom 18:30: [3] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

And speaking of youtube, if you haven´t seen this, you might enjoy it: [4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:27, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I've just listened to the two youtube videos. I see what you mean about the way David Frost says the word "ordinary". The word "bland" isn't there, though, so I'm going to edit the quote. The sketch about Monty Python in the second video is very funny, and I hadn't seen it before. I guess you noticed from my user profile that I'm a Python fan. Thanks! Strawberry4Ever (talk) 18:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Yep. Having the "pythonist" userbox myself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

A friendly word of caution

I respect (while disagreeing with) your Keep vote at the AfD, but please be careful when soliciting participation in the discussion. Your notice at WP:CHESS and your invitation to an editor on the talk page of the article are worded in ways that might be construed as WP:CANVASSING. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I tried to make it clear that I was inviting people to participate in the !vote regardless of how they felt about whether the article should be deleted. Can you suggest re-wording of my comments? Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:57, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I use this very bland format when posting AfD FYIs on project pages. And with the possible exception of an article's creator if they somehow don't get the auto-notification, I almost never alert individual editors. There is almost no way to do that without raising suspicions of canvassing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I don't see anything wrong with what I posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess, but I've edited my reply at Talk:43rd Chess Olympiad to be more neutral. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Ali–Frazier III

Greetings. For both Ali and Frazier's BoxRec entries, the result is correctly given as an RTD, which is a "corner retirement" rather than a TKO; the referee did not stop the fight, but Frazier's corner did. Therefore, I would ask you to please revert your edit. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 02:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Mac Dreamstate: OK, I now know that RTD means Referee technical decision. Based on the description in Thrilla in Manila of how the fight ended, RTD does seem more accurate than TKO. The two articles should be in agreement, though, and apparently secondary sources say the fight ended in a TKO. Since I don't know all that much about boxing I'll restore your edit except that I think there should be a Wikilink to explain what RTD means. Others may see it differently, though. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 02:21, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

My thanks. I will say that it is a good debate to be had, since even today there is sometimes disagreement on contemporary boxing articles as to whether a result should be KO or TKO, but in the case of Ali–Frazier III it will be best tackled only when there is significant disagreement. Now that BoxRec has recently amended their record of the result as an RTD, I doubt it'll come up again.

Regarding the abbreviated result types, I plan on overhauling Ali's record in accordance with the new MOS:BOXING/RECORD guidelines, so that tooltips will display the results to readers unfamiliar with the various terminology. It should look something like this, albeit with the extra Age column as appropriate. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 03:00, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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Monopoly Edit

Thanks for fixing the "Monopoly game" entry. I was trying to put a Monopoly_(disambiguation) at the top of the "Monopoly game" article because Google gave me "Monopoly game" as one for the first hits. I was looking for just "Monopoly" and trying to make it easier to find for the next person who came in to Wikipedia by Google.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 14:11, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Mark v1.0: There probably aren't many people who go to Monopoly (game) looking for an article about monopolies in general, but since you did that (through a Google search) there may be others doing it in the future. I'm not sure of the best way to add "For other uses, see Monopoly (disambiguation)." I experimented with this but I haven't come up with a solution that I like yet. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Break-up of the Beatles

In this edit to Break-up of the Beatles, you reverted my fix of the Harvard error caused by the lack of |ref=harv in a full citation to Goodman's book. My fix created the parameter and placed the full citation in the Sources section, as is common practice for Harvard citations, and as had already been done for The Beatles 2000 book. When I first looked at the article there were two further sfn references to Goodman, both of which were flagged as Harvard errors by my User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js script.

You removed the Goodman book from the sources section, re-instating the Harvard errors, which you then tried to fix by adding the |ref=harv parameter to the reference you placed back within the body text. That's a variation of style from the style being used in the article, where all of the other short citations are associated with a full citation in the Sources section. Per WP:CITEVAR, I've reverted to the style I used. Please don't alter citation styles already in use simply to match your personal preference. If you need further assistance in understanding short footnotes, there's a help page at Help:Shortened footnotes. --RexxS (talk) 14:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

RexxS: Sorry, you're right, as I learned after reading Help:Shortened footnotes. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

No need to apologise: it's not a big deal, just the way it's commonly done. Anyway, if you ever need any help with referencing, please feel free to ping me, and I'll do my best to help. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 14:47, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

George Harrison Copyright

I thought that this was a case of that habit the Americans have of using "through 1968" when they mean "until 1968". Trouble is if the copyright did not end then I'm having trouble finding the actual date in the article. Britmax (talk) 10:49, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Britmax: As explained at Harrisongs, George Harrison's contract with Northern Songs expired in March 1968, so any songs which he wrote before that were published by Northern Songs. To me, "three-year contract with Northern Songs gave it the copyright to his work through March 1968" means that Northern Songs had the copyright on the songs written between 1965 and 1968 and continued to own that copyright afterwards, while "three-year contract with Northern Songs gave it the copyright to his work until March 1968" implies that Northern Songs lost the copyright to the songs in March 1968. Maybe the sentence should be re-written to make the meaning clearer, e.g. "three-year contract with Northern Songs gave it the copyright to his songs written between 1965 and March 1968". Strawberry4Ever (talk) 12:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Robert Vaughn

You're right, thanks for that, I wasn't aware of MOS:DOCTOR, much appreciated. Damiantgordon (talk) 20:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Damiantgordon: You're welcome. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 21:53, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Sam Cooke

Thanks for your continuing vigilance concerning the article. If you want to feel grateful, look at the edit history of Carlos Gardel! Regards Tapered (talk) 01:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Tapered: It might be time to ask for semi-protection of Carlos Gardel because of all the IP vandalism. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 06:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Right you are! Now I'll have to learn how to do it! Tapered (talk) 06:56, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Tapered: Post a request on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, or WP:RFPP for short. Good luck! Strawberry4Ever (talk) 12:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Done! Thanks! Have some pasta. Tapered (talk) 00:12, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there's been an uptick in vandalism @ Sam Cooke (and I'm in a Sad Mood tonight). People have been on it. Regards Tapered (talk) 09:02, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Tapered: I've been busy recently so I haven't had time to patrol Sam Cooke as I normally do. I'm happy to hear that other editors have been keeping the article in good shape. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 12:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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Zimbabwe

Hi Yesterday, the zimbabwean justice retroactively cancelled the dismissal of Emmerson, so Emmerson was interim president or the office was vacant ?--Panam2014 (talk) 15:26, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

It sounds like Mnangagwe was retroactively named acting president. I'm planning to edit the Zimbabwe articles after I've caught up on my Wikipedia watch list and had a chance to read the latest articles. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 15:33, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

But when Emmerson's term ended? --Panam2014 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

I'll have to read the latest articles before commenting. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 15:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Emmerson Mnangagwa was sworn in before the Supreme Court, but it never declared Mphoko the interim president, especially since he was absent. That constancy recognizes him as interim president is not proof that he was. We should consider the office as vacant during 3 days. Did you read the sources ? --Panam2014 (talk) 18:51, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Hi there, I’d like to say thank you for helping out on the Harry Chapin page! I noticed that you polished some things that I didn’t do. Much appreciated :) Citybuild122 (talk) 03:56, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Citybuild122: My pleasure. Harry's been one of my favorite musical artists ever since "Cat's in the Cradle". Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:05, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Revision of John Glenn Comments about women in space

Hi, I am entirely new to Wikipedia and I saw that you had made changes to John Glenn's Wikipedia page before. I noticed that the quote in the "Comments about women in space" section is taken entirely out of context, and because of this, the entirely opposite conclusion is reached. What follows is the quote according to the page:

"I think this gets back to the way our social order is organized, really. It is just a fact. The men go off and fight the wars and fly the airplanes and come back and help design and build and test them. The fact that women are not in this field is a fact of our social order."

The quote in context is as follows:

"I think this gets back to the way our social order is organized, really. It is just a fact. The men go off and fight the wars and fly the airplanes and come back and help design and build and test them. The fact that women are not in this field is a fact of our social order. It may be undesirable. It obviously is, but we are only looking, as I said before, to people with certain qualifications. If anybody can meet them I am all for them."

Sorry for the lack of good formatting, as I said I am new to Wikipedia editing. I hope that you will make this change and help make this Wikipedia page better.

Thank you so much! ams2431 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:8000:2030:2C3C:99F8:38B6:29CB (talk) 06:36, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi ams2431. If you can provide more context by adding a few more sentences from the referenced material, please feel free to do so. I don't want to do that because I don't have access to the source for the quotation. If I recall correctly, all I did was to reformat the article by adding subtopic titles. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 22:31, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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