It just seems to me that a big quintessential element of "punk" culture as a whole is a process of internalization,personalization,of "the ideal" but often with a paradoxical fatalistic acceptance of the obvious disassociation of any personal circumstantial capability to obtain any worthwhile self realization of "the ideal". The zen of going through the motions while abandoning hope of bringing about any foreseeable form of utopia. And the unapologetically futile attempt to do so anyway. ijs.SoNetMedia's Alfred O. Mega (talk) 05:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)Reply