User talk:Sj/Intl

Interlanguage issues

The interlanguage links are handled manually ['cept for the robots --Ed]. If you think an interlanguage link has been made inappropriately, the place to raise this is probably on the article's talk page. However, it's quite possible that no one else who knows the appropriate language will be paying attention to that article; just fix it and note what you did. See Wikipedia:Interlanguage links for details on how the links work. Isomorphic 13:02, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[My basic thoughts are here +sj+]

Well, I've only done a little bit of interlanguage work but I can try to explain what I know, and point you in the right direction. Basically, we don't try to keep the various languages tightly synched. The final goal isn't to have the same encyclopdia in lots of different languages. The various languages collaborate, and copy material back and forth, but each language is its own encyclopedia. Each has the freedom to do as its contributors wish.

If you want more details on what goes on, here are more links to relevant pages:

• Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination for general info on international Wikipedia issues.
• Wikipedia:Embassy for international announcements and some coordination.
• Wikipedia:Translation into English is for requesting or accepting translation tasks.
• Wikipedia:Intlwiki-L is the relevant mailing list for international coordination.
• Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English lists pages that have been inappropriately submitted to the English Wikipedia written in foreign languages, and will be deleted unless translated.

Hope that helps, Isomorphic 06:56, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, thank you kindly! +sj+

International Wikistats page

Hi Sj, I'll ask Shaihulud to add those languages. He runs the scripts on a weekly basis, since I do not have server access. Erik Zachte 11:04, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[Update? --Ed.]

Vocabulary Project

Hi there, I saw you contributed to the page for learning German, so I thought you might be interested in a project about learning, especially vocabulary. Please check my page and let me know what you think about it. Get-back-world-respect 20:06, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks again! Even newer information at my talk page! First wikibook pages linked to the project. Get-back-world-respect 00:47, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know about the press corps. I will try and get us someone from South America. Get-back-world-respect 00:40, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Benvenuto da it.wiki

Benvenuto sulla it.wiki - :)Twice25 e Rinina25

Translations

Italian:
I hope that is what you asked.
Per aiutare Wikipedia, puoi effettuare una [[1]]. I precedenti contributi sono stati utilizzati [questo modo].

ciao, gac (it:wiki)

That's it, thank you. Alas, Brion is gone now; I asked Renate to do it... +sj+

Danish :
Hi Sj, on da: you asked Sten to translate the fundraising notice to Danish, but I - being a sysop - did it instead, and the translation took effect immediately, so intervention from Brion or another developer isn't necessary. Thanks for reminding us. - Kaare 07:41, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fundraising notice on nl:wiktionary
The notice in the Nederlandse language is now also on WikiWoordenboek :) GerardM 07:44, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sweet! +sj+

Finnish translation

I'm not an admin, and the page is protected. The translation is:

Jos haluaisit auttaa Wikipediaa, ole hyvä ja käy <a 
href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/fundraising">varainkeruusivullamme</a>, tai lue <a 
href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_we_use_the_money_for">mihin olemme aikaisemmin käyttäneet varojamme</a>.

--Lussmu 10:49, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fy
(I hope this is the right Sj, since there was no link from Fy, but judging from other feedback I expect it is.)
I translated the fundraiser message, but as soon as I did, it disappeared. Is this intentional? Also, I could do a translation of the "where the money goes to"-page, but:

1. If that translation should be locked, as the English one is, I won't have the rights to manage it.
2. How will we know the English version is updated?

Aliter 14:41, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hello Sj

Hola Sj. Con repscto a la imagen es:Imagen:Cromosoma.jpeg, ahora no recuerdo su origen. Fue grabada en julio-2003 (recien llegado a Wikipedia]. Hay algun problema?.Un saludo.(I d´ont remember now its origen. is there any problem?).Hi.Joseaperez 17:33, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Translations

See the International archive.

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Languages  : The language project has not recently advanced significantly other than for my personal aim of learning catalan. Where can I contact wikiversity enthusiasts? Get-back-world-respect 11 Aug 2004

Multilingual Communication
Hey sj, Jamesday pointed me to you on irc #wikimedia. I have a way of making people work in multiple languages on a contents of a page. Take a look at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/community/MultilingualExperiment. It misses languagefiltering in the edit mode still. But for reading it works fine. A good deal of translation coming off, automatic pretranslation like described on http://wikifeatures.wiki.taoriver.net/moin.cgi/AutomaticTranslation and we've got it MattisManzel 11:08, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

On de: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Mehrsprachige_Kommunikation. On en: (moved to WP: namespace) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multilingual_communication .

Newsletter et al
Hi Sj, you wrote the following on my talk page: "Do you have time this month to help keep an eye on translations of a Wikimedia newsletter?" - yes, I do have the time, but where do I find the newsletter (or isn't it written yet)? - Kaare 17:43, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Arabic translation (Update), Newsletter (U)

Hi, I'm Ayman from the Arabic Wikipedia, the Arabic press release is almost done, we only need a couple of links and press contact info.

I'll post a message on ar: to start working on the newsletter, and maybe come up with something to put in "local projects" section too. --Ayman 02:48, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi Sj,

Pages 1, 2, 5, and 7 of the newsletter are translated into Arabic.

That's what I managed to translate, if there is something else really important in the NL, let me know, I'll try to find time for it.

--Ayman 19:29, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi again :) Still working on page 3, I just want to point out that Arabic text on the NL cover and background doesn't look right, letters aren't connected together as they should be. If it's possible to fix this, or you need help on it, let me know. --Ayman 21:40, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

After 4 hours of non-stop work, page 3 is done, I reviewed the whole thing too. --Ayman 03:04, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Italian Newsletter

Actually it was a lie... an unintentional one, I really thought the work was almost done. Chopinhuaer now seems to be occupied. I'll try to save some time in the WE to conclude the translation. ciao --Balubino 09:07, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Newsletter Cover - the Polish version

Hi,

The Polish translators team - the newsletter. Preparing for publication on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Quarto/0409/Pl

We'd like to have a translated cover as well. Or perhaps we should contact Jean-Christophe Chazalette about this ?

Kpjas 20:46, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

crediting you (Sjc)

Hi, how would you like to be credited in the newsletter? Right now you're listed just as Sjc.  :) +sj+ 01:24, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

heh, my contribution was minimal to the point of paltriness. I wouldn't credit me if I were you :) Sjc 04:11, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Writing for translation

I've added examples to m:Multilingual_style_guide. Hope this helps. Feel free to hit me up again on this front, but - since I'm not routinely wathcing wikimedia.org - I'll only be aware of this if I'm pinged. Also, please remember that I'm a lot better at going into English than out, and that I can help with precisely this issue of "translating" colloquial English into more translatable English. If we don't do that as a separate step, then every translator effectively has to do it. -- Jmabel 18:07, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

Multilingual on Meta

Hi! I'm trying to organize the multilingual aspect of Meta. Now i have only two articles:

• m:Meta:Conventions for multilingualism
• m:Propagation of changes

I would like translators to look this pages and to contribute with more ideas and articles, but i'm new in Meta and i'm lost. Please, if you are interested in this subject, look that pages and tell me what you think in my talk page. Thank you. [m] Peleguer (Talk) 17:31, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia Quarto - translation

Hi Sj, I want to make the translation of Wikimedia Quarto to the Portuguese language... What can I do to help? --Ikescs 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I see you've already posted the answer to pt. :-) -- user:zanimum

glorious cover

What a slick WQ cover you proposed ! It makes my heart sing. Now just over 6 weeks past the deadline, the contest is over. Please do add the WM logo, or some slight variant, in a corner of the cover; and let me know if you have trouble uploading an uncompressed version to the Commons. +sj + 11:41, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Upload the original in two layers, one with the background and one with the text. If you can use a standard format in which the text layer is still actually text, and hasn't been flattened to an image, that's even better (but not necessary). +sj +

Thanks for the compliments. I tried to make a format that could be reused for covers, with new colours and Featured Pictures every time. Okay, two things. The original file is at home (I'm at Humber College for the week), so I'll have to create it again, which is fine. Secondly, I did it in vector (Corel Draw), so that I could easily composite the words for all of the languages. Would that be okay if I did it all, and just uploaded the end jpegs or pngs? -- user:zanimum

The only slightly annoying thing about you doing it all, is that translations trickle in over the days and weeks to come. So then all 30 langs that want covers will have to send you text (in various charsets / fonts that you might not have) and wait for you to render it in Corel... not sure how to make that work. But as long as you also upload a separate background image, you don't have to upload any text layers, and can render all the langs you have fonts for. +sj + 15:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There's only 11 languages that have even started to translate, and I have proper fonts for all of them. Plus, it'll be an easy but worthwhile test for Wikijunior's print editions, to see how easily they can be modified. I don't know, I can definetly let each language do it themselves, but I just wanted to try for quality control. -- user:zanimum

Sounds fine then :) we'll handle other probs as they crop up. +sj + 23:51, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Great. Do I post a general call for front page text, or would it be better to contact everyone individually? Or is the Foundation mailing list better? Should we allow other Wikimedian languages to reorder the front cover order to their own language's priorities, or maintain the order used on the English? -- user:zanimum

WQ cover

Yes, I've recreated the cover in Illustrator. Could we hold a one week vote to see what Featured picture gets on the cover? Just a continuing way to get more community envolvement over all WQ issues.

Also, is it okay if I create a vector version of the Wikimedia logo? The designer of the WM and Wikiquote logos hasn't edited on EN since September, and even before that was incredibly irregular. While I don't need an amazing quality pic for the cover, it would be handy for us to have such a file for the future. -- user:zanimum

Oh, I've also got the Dutch, French and Italian covers laid out, but the Czech, German, Spanish, Hungarian, Japanese, Swedish, and Chinese translations have yet to come. I plan on bugging them tonight. -- user:zanimum

User:Zanimum/Quarto

The cover's up albeit with a different image. -- user:zanimum

Quartization: covers, pdfs, etc.

Heya, zan. You should meet a friend of mine in NY working on puppetry and children's TV... Anyhow, check out the new covers page. I auto-levelled your covers, which darkened the orange in general. Also fixed the Nl: cover. A few questions:

• Any luck with the new Czech version?
• I was really pleased with the way this one turned out; I also realized that the next cover should ideally be PD (for print/pdf distribution, I'd like the entire newsletter to be PD if possible, and am making that clear for future text submissions.). If you have thoughts about the next cover, please list them on m:WQ/Covers.
  • Also, the top existing image on that page says "Quatro" instead of "Quarto" -- this is a common enough mistake that I'd like to replace the image, so as not to cofuse people...
• Thoughts on making PDFs of existing versions? What toolchain do you use for htlm-->pdf conversion? I've been playing with a separate layout in pagemaker, but I'd really rather do it in Quark. You mentioned at one point being interested in working on PDFs, and I assume you have experience with that. +sj + 01:05, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh wow, that's cool, do you know what show he works on?

Fairly good renders, besides the slight variance in the shade of orange.

I've got the Czech version corrected, and the Polish and Russian versions put together. [2] I think next issue, the contents font should be swtiched to Myriad Pro; it's the only decent sans-serif that has all the many characters we need (except for Chinese and Japanese of course).

The Russian cover currently has a sans serif typeface for Викимедиа Кварто/Wikimedia Quarto, unlike all the rest which are in the serifed font Sabon. I searched all my fonts, for some reason this is the only one that worked for Russian text.

I've changed the Quatro image to the current English cover with Quarto on it.

The cover "should ideally be PD": how so? I gave a Wikimedia Copyright tag to each of the current files, I thought that would be correct. Do you wish for me to relicense them under GNU or outright PD? I'm fine with any license. The image of the London city hall itself is GNU licensed.

Html to PDF conversion? I don't convert web to Acrobat that often. I've been working in Illustrator all the way through this, but I generally would do it all in Quark or Adobe InDesign. You're talking about an actual print-style version of WQ, right? -- user:zanimum

Quarto

Translation: How can I translate 'Glossy old' in the WQ2 cover note? -- kocio

Design: Hey Sj, thanks for the interest! I do have a few ideas for the next Quarto. I'd like to make a nice pdf of the next one, with a page layout inspired by Diderot's encyclopedia. we could only use the font and recreate a few old-style b&w illustrations for the titles (not in pdf I mean, just for the webpages). Feel free to ask if I can help in any (other) way, I'd do it with pleasure. Guillaume

Quarto 3 cover

Thanks for the compliment. I got the image off of the Wikipedia Commons. Lemme find a link... Image of the day March 29, 2005: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Alpamayo.jpg - Says 'copyrighted but available for any purpose.' The font I used in the cover design was Warnock Pro, it's one of Adobe's new fonts tha came with Illustrator CS (1). Not sure about the license for the font, but it should be available if Adobe bundles it with their software. I'd be very interested in doing interior layout work as well. Thanks again. LockeShocke 22:53, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

Check out my talk page and gimme the info on the IRC chat. I'd like to get some content to fool around with sometime, or maybe I'll just get cracking with lipsum. LockeShocke 00:29, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

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Meeting in Linz

I really sorry. It isn't easier to encourage people from far away to come, when they're in Spain for vaccation - with a bunch of daughters AND a wife! -- Robodoc.at 22:33, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

On 6th und 7th September there are 3 events at the Ars Electronica Festival in Linz related to Wikipedia. Maybe we can meet us afterwards. Please make a note about this two days. See more on de:Wikipedia:Treffen der Wikipedianer/Linz --- Mikegr 08:11, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales will come to Linz at the AEF and we have your own meeting point there. If you want to visit an event and can help at the electrolobby I can offer you tickets for free. See more on the Linz page Mikegr 21:53, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)