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Nice one with that Argentine painter Sivori! Keep those new articles coming. Perhaps you could help translate some articles form spanish wiki? The Bald One White cat 22:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


ArgentinaEdit

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Argentina's Economy sectionEdit

Sherlock4000, please take a close look at my edit and the one you rewrote.[1]

There are two main reasons why the Argentinean government is using the pension funds; 1)the continuous shrinkage of reserves held by the national government.
2)To Attempt to boost the economy with government spending in the face of an economic downturn.

My edit attempts to give a really brief economic background of the reasons why the government is looking to use the pension funds. And while, I agree with you that the words “desperately” as another user tried to use, might come across as a weasel, your addition of the word “help” completely contradicts what the source[2] used for that particular sentences is arguing for. It might also amount as POV, since it remains to be seen whether the economic policies of the government will actually “help”.
I don’t want to engage in another argument, but I suggest you re-examine your edit and perhaps reworded it so that it gives a fuller understanding and a more neutral account of the events.
Likeminas (talk) 15:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

adding "spam" linksEdit

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ArgentinaEdit

This issue has been extensively discussed in the Talk page. This is the third time I ask to you refrain from deleting referenced information without at least discussing your proposed changes first. If you disagree with the information presented, please let us know your arguments fully referenced with equally reliable sources. Reiterated and unjustified deletion of referenced information borders on vandalism. You are invited to participate in the discussion and debates. --the Dúnadan 01:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Edits etcEdit

Hi

I thank you for your communication. Just to answer your second point, I believe all I did was revert someone else's edit, which to me seemed to not contain anything that would be a problem if reverted. If I did revert something that was a grammatical fix, it certainly was not intentional. I did read his changes thoroughly, and noted they were the exact same ones as appeared two or three times before, such as reversing the Italian and Spanish etc.

I was just finishing off reading around 30 articles and files from the internet, especially the ones off the Argentina Gov website, where I downloaded 7 excel spreadsheets about various demographics (2001 census) and income & export figures for reference from the http://www.indec.gov.ar/

My interest in this is to get the Argentina page restored to its good article status.
My worry is that in even wishing to get the article up to standard I have had to read about 4 hours of arguments on the racial/demographic make-up of the country. I have so far worked out that the arguments have been going on for over 2 years, to my knowledge as far back as 20-04-2006 (thats english notation lol)

I do not wish to get involved other than to say this. So far I have read that the smallest amount of White population is quoted at 85%, many put the figure at 97%. The largest number of racial groups is put as 17, the lowest states 9.

That is it. I cannot comment any further on those figures, other than to say that the Argentinian governments main articles are not in English so I cannot read them lol. The ones provided for me in english are for numbers of people by sex and area, and realistically that is all I am concerned with.

As for the article, I think (and I stress this is my POV only) it should not adopt the CIA factbook figures for white people, but put both, 97% seems high, thats higher than most European countries, and 85% seems more realistic - that is suppose seems too low lol. I do not think that ethnic breakdown should be listed by genetic means as we are all descended from the same peoples, Homo Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis.

I do not agree with racism, nor do I think that it matters whether the country is made up of 85% or 10% white black or yellow people, and trying to prove or disprove these figures simply enforces racism even if it is unintentional.

As I said earlier, my intent is to get the rest of the article up to a good standard, and realistically it is sad that the Demographic section is so highly fought over when there is so much work to do on the rest.

regards --Chaosdruid (talk) 05:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Genetic footnoteEdit

Thanks for your reply. I'll be glad to help if I can. SamEV (talk) 04:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


No problem. I commented on the noticeboard just now. SamEV (talk) 04:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

CongresoEdit

Point conceded. "Congress Square" would be better than "Congressional Square" though. elpincha (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Buenos AiresEdit

Hi Sherlock4000, thank you for your message. I can see the position you are in and how frustrating it feels. However I think I should point out if you continue reverting Ecuadorian Stalker's edit you also run the risk of violating the 3RR rule. I see you have reported the situation. You now need to take a step back and let an administrator handle the situation. Instead of editing the Buenos Aires article any more, it may help to voice your opinion on the talk page and discuss the problem.

Regards Marek.69 talk 06:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi again Sherlock4000, I've left a response to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 talk 23:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Pre-1916 electionsEdit

As I noted in the edit summary, the fact that they were pro forma is irrelevant, the events still happened, and we have plenty of articles on Wikipedia about rigged/falsified/one party state elections, so I think saying that there is nothing to put there is wrong. Please stop removing them from the template. At best, make them all link to one article (Argentine presidential elections 1862-1910 and write a stub there. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Your edits to ArgentinaEdit

Hi there, Sherlock. I've noticed you have recently reverted my edits and replaced with yours, with no reason whatsoever.. I consider that my original text was the apropiate for the article, nevertheless I think we should improve the section together since it has major grammar mistakes and lacks cohesion.

I also think that we should check the percentages of the actual ethnic groups in Argentina, if you take a look at the source that backs up the actual percentages Argentina you'd notice that states:

  • European/White 86.4%
  • Mestizo 6.5% (article states 8.0%)
  • Amerindian 3.4% (unknown source)
  • Arab 3.0%
  • Other 0.4%

This source definitly gets in conflict with INDEC: Encuesta Complementaria de Pueblos Indígenas (ECPI) 2004 - 2005 (in Spanish), INDEC (actually conducted and endorsed by INDEC) that states that the amerindian ethnic group makes up 1.4% of Argentina. So the actual percentages may differ..

I am looking forward your reply. Regards, --Fercho85 (talk) 07:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

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ReplyEdit

Sherlock, let me tell you I'm glad you can consider me as your wikifriend :) In the future I hope we can exchange opinions, gather info and work together. I happen to agree with you as for the actual figures,

  • European/White 86.4%
  • Mestizo 8.0%
  • Amerindian 1.6%
  • Arab 3.0%
  • Other 0.4%

As for the afromended section in the article which as I said has major grammar mistakes. This is my actual improvement:

(Your statement)

  • "Argentina was second only to the United States in the number of Euopean immigrants received, and at the time the national population doubled every two decades mostly as a result.."

(My improvement)

  • "At the end of the 19th century, Argentina became the second country to recieve European immigration only after the United States. Due to this large-scale immigration the national population doubled every two decades during the immediate post-war decades.."

I hope you agree..

PS:Sorry I replied to you 4 years later..I had several exams at university. If you ever need a third opinion or NPOV you can perfectly count on me.

Regards, --Fercho85 (talk) 05:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Random Wiki Smile!Edit

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Buenos Aires Museum of Modern ArtEdit

thanks for your help here! You did what I'd hoped - if I turned the redlink blue, someone w more familiarity would help. Thanks StarM 17:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

thanks! Do you work mostly on museum articles or Argentina articles? If the former, may I recommend WP:MUSEUMS, which is sorely lacking in coverage of museums in non English speaking countries. I'm hoping to use this museum as a Spanish refresher, but I haven't had a ton of time. I just noticed the red link on a couple of artists' pages and decided it must be a fairly significant museum. StarM 03:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I try to work on museums, they're an interest of mine, but don't have a lot of time. What I tend to do is see what I can do and refer it appropriately to other workgroups, etc. Great that you have a personal connection to/interest in the region. Great help because I haven't seen too many working on South America outside of Brazil, which seems to have a lot of active an interested editors. Please let me know if there are any articles I can help you out with. StarM 01:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Argentine legislative election, 2009Edit

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Re:Edit

Consider it   Done. :) Blessed be, t'shaélchat 09:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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TeisaireEdit

Hola Sherlock4000. Disculpa te escriba en español pero mi inglés no es muy bueno y supongo por los artículos que escribes que conoces este idioma. En la página de Alberto Teisaire has puesto que el mismo murió asesinado y citas un libro de Potash en inglés. Yo consulté la versión en español de dicho libro y no aparece ese dato ni lo encontré en otra parte, por lo que pensé que pudo haberse deslizado un error. Nuevamente me disculpo y te envío un cordial saludo.--Héctor Guido Calvo (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hola Sherlock4000. Gracias por tu mensaje. Tu español es perfecto. Como dices, la página en cuestión es obviamente parcial y, lo más extraño, es que no encontré otra referencia. En cualquier caso, sigo buscando y con tiempo hallaré el dato. Nuevamente gracias por tu respuesta. Yo escribí varias páginas sobre la época (es:Ernesto Mario Bravo, es:Juan Ingallinela, es:Quema de iglesias del 16 de junio de 1955 en Argentina, es:Quema de locales de opositores del 15 de abril de 1953 en Argentina, es:Relación Iglesia Católica-Estado argentino (1943-1955)) por lo que quedo a tu disposición para cualquier ayuda que necesites. Te envío un cordial saludo. --Héctor Guido Calvo (talk) 01:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

ReplyEdit

Hey there Sherlock, no clue about the problem you had..anyway I've recently uploaded the image to wikipedia here

Cheers, --Fercho85 (talk) 06:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: Happy wikifriendship day!

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ArgentinaEdit

Thanks for the message. I am happy to be of service, and I shall take a look at those articles you suggested. Green Giant (talk) 13:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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BarnstarEdit

  The Classical Music Barnstar
I award you the Classical Music Barnstar for your interesting article about Argentine National Symphony Orchestra.
Awarded by Vejvančický (talk) at 08:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC) Unique ID #{{{4}}}
This is one of the ways how to express admiration and thanks for a good and encyclopedic work. You fully deserve it. Keep up the good work. Antonín Vejvančický (talk) 09:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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December 2009Edit

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SACPER. Argentine Plastic SurgeryEdit

Hello. Thank you very much for all the corrections made. Excellent.--Giselle Chamorro (talk) 20:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Duhau siblings from article regarding hyatt hotelEdit

Hello, I noticed in your article regarding the Palacio Duhau that you mentioned that the last of the Duhau siblings died in 1976. I'm a relative of Luis Duhau and was wondering if you had any more information about the Duhau siblings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.150.214 (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Support with White ArgentineEdit

Ahí cité un montón de fuentes en el Noticeboard de BLP; espero que sirvan para probar nuestra posición. Igual el inglés (Andy) y el tano (Giovanni) son re-porfiados; siempre quieren tener la última palabra. Te cuento que yo fui el que expandí White Argentine (pero lo expandí mucho; empezó a atraer demasiado la atención de estos que le buscan la quinta pata al gato). Cuando aparecieron estos tipos, no quise que me llegaran a bloquear por la regla del 3RR, así que mudé el artículo a este sitio, y ahí lo sigo expandiendo y buscando más fuentes. Sí querés y podés leelo a ver qué te parece. No sé por qué causa tanto rechazo, porque lo leo y releo y no hay nada racista ni tendencioso. La última fuente que encontré es ésta, en la que dice que un 63% de los argentinos encuestados se auto-identificaron como blancos.

Espero tu respuesta para ver qué estrategia tomar con estos tipos. Yo había pensado seguir expandiendo el artículo en el sitio alternativo, calladito la boca, y cuando lo tuviera listo y mejor referenciado -para dejar contentos a estos cabezaduras- ahí recién volverlo a poner en esta WP. Pero no sé qué opinás vos.--Pablozeta (talk) 15:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

WAEdit

Keep your advice for yourself. Every time I see someone to use wikipedia for his own research (like the invention of White Argentine as a ethnic group) and personal prejudices (againts other ethnicities), I will do what needs to be done. Regards.--GiovBag (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Propuesta para pedir modificación de la política sobre BPV, pero todos juntos.Edit

Hola gente: Dadas las recientes y actuales guerras de ediciones que se han desatado en los artículos White Argentine, White Mexican, White Latin American y otros similares, debido a la modificación de la ´política sobre biografía de personas vivas concerniente a etnicidad -que los usuarios Andy the Grump y GiovBag quieren implementar a rajatabla en todos los artículos- propongo:

Solicitar en el Noticeboard correspondiente -aún no sé cuál sería, pero seguro que hay uno- que se revean los alcances de tal política. Creo que todos estaremos de acuerdo que nadie podría afirmar "Ronald Reagan era un Afro-estadounidense" porque tal afirmación salta a la vista como falsa. O también que nadie podría afirmar "Juan Manuel Fangio era de ascendencia croata" cuando es bien sabido que sus padres eran italianos. Pero creo que debe ser revisado que no se pueda categorizar a una persona como "blanco" cuando esté bien referenciada su ascendencia europea y comprobado con una fotografía su fenotipo caucásico.

Bueno, contáctenme a ver que les parece esta propuesta. De ser positiva su respuesta, debemos hacerla todos juntos, para que tenga más fuerza. Gracias por su atención.--Pablozeta (talk) 22:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Defense of White ArgentineEdit

Hi, sorry to bother you, but Andy the Grump and other user want to move for deletion of White Argentine. Please, if you agree that it should not be deleted, add your comment in the article's talk page. Thanks for your attention and help.--Pablozeta (talk) 02:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Worried about White Argentine's fateEdit

Greetings, Sherlock. I added my "Keep" vote in the consult for deletion of White Argentine, and I added the sources I've already provided, but "Delete" votes are piling up. We're losing 3 to 7 so far. I summoned some earlier contributors to the article to see if they can provide their "Keep" vote and even up things, but none has shown up so far. Can you summon up some friends/allies to support the non-deletion of the article? Thanks.--Pablozeta (talk) 22:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd not do that if I was you: see WP:CANVASSING. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations on work on the expansion the Catalinas Norte articleEdit

I, Jim856796, would like to congratulate you on your work in expanding the Catalinas Norte article with text translated from its corresponding articles in the Spanish Wikipedia. BTW, all of the buildings within Catalinas Norte have articles in the Spanish Wikipedia, so is there any chance that you may want to translate those articles for the English Wikipedia? I have already created an article for the Sheraton Buenos Aires Hotel & Convention Center, though you may want to clean up the text in that article. Jim856796 (talk) 10:16, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

La Suerte de White ArgentineEdit

Quisiera saber qué pensás que puede pasar con White Argentine. La verdad es que estoy muy desanimado y desilusionado sobre Wikipedia; acá hay un montón de racistas a la inversa, anti-blancos. Me había anotado en el Wikiprojecto Argentina, y pensaba traducir varios artículos de la WP hispana al inglés; pero viendo toda esta mala onda, no me dan ganas de colaborar en nada más. Por ahí voy ya estás acostumbrado a esto, y es una raya más para el tigre. Pero yo no estoy acostumbrado a pelear por cada punto o cada coma.--Pablozeta (talk) 16:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Gracias por tus palabras; me dan fuerza para seguir.--Pablozeta (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Desde ya saludos a tu madre; nunca visité Pergamino en persona, pero dicen que es una muy linda ciudad. Vos sabés que varias veces pensé en expandir los artículos sobre Suipacha en ambas Wikipedias, pero luego me dejé estar. Hay un libro sobre la Historia de Suipacha escrito por un tal Arístides Testa Díaz que quiero conseguir para ampliar la parte histórica. Incluso estoy recolectando evidencia para un estudio fenotípico de la población suipachense, a ver si estos tipos se dan cuenta que la gran mayoria de los argentinos tenemos fenotipo europeo, aunque algunos tengamos una mínima herencia amerindia. Apenas tenga el libro y las fotos, te contacto para ampliar el artículo. Gracias por la buena onda.--Pablozeta (talk) 00:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, and goodbye... for now.Edit

I sincerely thank your for your support in defense of White Argentine, but it was not enough. This site is invaded by intelectualoid scum (Andy the Grump, GiovBag, etc.) so I'll move for greener pastures. I'll concentrate my efforts in my own website Razas del Mundo, and I won't waste them here where they are not considered valuable. Thanks for everything, you have made my Wiki-experience a little less forgettable.--Pablozeta (talk) 02:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

  • While I'm in the area anyway, I'd like to also thank you for your contribution to the debate, even though I disagreed with your viewpoint. It was important that a robust discussion be had about this subject, and that couldn't have happened without your energetic defence of the article. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Re-addition of material.Edit

This was not the best way to go about putting the material back in.

A change of this scale should have been done in two or three stages, and with many more edits than 1 massive one.

By all means reinsert material that you think has been taken out incorrectly, but it should not impact on more recent edits, and definitely not on a series of copy-edits that had significantly improved the article.

THe page has, for a long time, been far too big. This has been mentioned on several occasions back since Fenruary 2009 when I took great legnths to copy-edit it last time.

I spent a long time yesterday copy-editing the article and have undone your edit so that we can work together to ensure that the reinsertions do not further damage the article.

Next time, perhaps undoing the removal would be better. Chaosdruid (talk) 20:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

(I have transcluded this message to the article talk page to continue discussion there.) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I have made a proposal on the talk page for a subpage to put the removed material onto so that we can work out what needs to go back in Chaosdruid (talk) 21:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
I had gone down the page as far as finishing the "Modern history" section. Some of my edits in that, and a previous section, were over-written. No big deal though :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
This is going to get silly if this continues. Please read the Talk:Argentina page. I clearly have stated that there is a problem from two editors and so consensus for your changes was not met. I have given you the chance to discuss before acting, and yet you have reverted again!
I told you I had edited as far as the end of "Modern history" yet you can see from this diff [3] that you have wiped over my edits in the "Early history", "Building of a nation-state" and "Modern history" sections. I ask you now to undo your own last change so that we can progress.
Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
This is the last time I will give you any leeway - you are making repeated edits without discussing ANYTHING on the Talk:Argentina page. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Please try and use the Talk:Argentina page where we can all just keep a better track of what we are each intending to do than keep going to three separate User talk pages as well as the others !.
I have an interest in Argentina as I feel that people here in the UK have a biased view (Falklands etc.) as well as from having met a couple of Argentinians during my life. I think that the country has had bad press and after the problems after Peron the country certainly deserves a bigger cut of the worlds generosity. The pampas and Northern Argentina, indeed Argentina as a whole, are certainly on my list of "10 places to see before I die" lol :¬)
Anyway, lets try and work together to get the article into a really good state ! Chaosdruid (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

ArgentinaEdit

Sherlock, I hope that even if you decide to add back some part of the article Argentina, you will actually avoid reverting all the other edits, because in your last edit you did exactly that. I started editing this article with the intent of bringing down the page length to more manageable levels, but in the end it wasn't the only thing I (or other users) changed. So, if you believe that I cut off too much, and that a given section should be brought back to the main article, I'm more than willing to discuss the matter on the talk page, but please don't revert any single edit that happened in the last 2 days.--LK 21:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

You're still missing some edits. If you tell me which parts you want to see added back, I will add them back myself. Then hopefully we can discuss about how much should be left in...--LK 21:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
I do understand that, and again I'm open to discuss each and every change, but I don't see any logic in some of your reverts, which is why I believe they are mere oversights. The history section is a good example: other than changing a picture or two, I left most of the section the way it was. Yet, if you compare Chaosdruid's revision with yours, you will note a large number of differences. Of course, none of these involved adding back any part of the section, since none was removed.--LK 21:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Plus most of the edits by IANVS, made between LK's and my edits, were in those sections. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Some sections (especially the Ethnography, and the Economy and Economic History portions) were clearly repetitive,
That's the problem here. Repetitive or not, I don't remember removing anything from the Economy section. In fact I added the "cut" revision of the section back to the article and now it's 1kb bigger.--LK 22:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Off for a few hoursEdit

Hi

Unfortunately I have to retire to bed, it's 00:30 here, so will have a look tomorrow and then we can see where we are. I moved the economics section from the talk page to User:Chaosdruid/Argentina/Changes page. Hopefully it will all fall into place over the weekend.

Thanks for you guys taking it all so calmly :¬)

Goodnight Chaosdruid (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Draft of the proposed User:Chaosdruid/Argentina/ChangesEdit

Hi

I have edited the two sections currently targeted and the results are ready for you and Underlying to look at User:Chaosdruid/Argentina/Changes.

Rather than start hacking it about, or putting it back in, can you respond at [[Talk:User:Chaosdruid/Argentina/Changes]] as to whether there should be any more changes or that you are happy/sad with the version currently there.

Hope all is well with you as I haven't seen you on in a couple of days. Chaosdruid (talk) 18:58, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

  Done Economics and Demographics sections copied over and Culture section awaits surgery :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 00:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Shameless Horse-trading proposalEdit

I agree with your edits to the economy section, but you'll let me reduce the culture section to 2100 words (the approximate size of the culture section on the Germany article). Is that acceptable? :¬) --LK (talk) 22:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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FYI, I've nominated Jorge Romero Brest at Did You Know; nice work on his article. Nyttend (talk) 02:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


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Userfication of White ArgentineEdit

Hi, I see you have this userfied,User:Sherlock4000/White_Argentine after such a lot of discussion and edit warring and ultimate deletion at AFD of this content Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White_Argentine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Please do not replace it to the mainspace without discussion and consensus support, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 17:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

  1. An IP just blanked it - so it's been reverted, and I've applied a semi protect.
  2. I've changed the archiving statement to point to the new location of the talk archive - remember if you ever get this back to article space to edit that code.
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Congratulations with your ideaEdit

Sherlock, you're a genius; you kept a draft of White Argentine to improve it, that's great. If you want, we can work together in the new article. I give this link to a source that might help you add a section on white argentines' self-identification and their access to education and technology: Etnia, condiciones de vida y discriminacion. I found it several months ago, but I had no time to process it and add it to the article before it was posted for deletion.

Furthermore, I give you this link to the article as I have it published in another wikisite, although it is still in construction. I relocated the section Estimates at the top, kept the section Distribution, and added the section The Myth of White Argentina, which I think you might find interesting. I plan to add more sections naming actors, politicians, architects, artists, writers, journalists, etc. Basically it is the article as it was before those guys -you know who- began to attack it, with some later additions. I hope you find in these links something useful to be added to your draft.--Pablozeta (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

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Changes in Euro-ArgentinesEdit

Hi, I took the liberty to modify some figures in the article. I changed the percentages and amounts of people because the previous ones included the Arabs; I left them out now. I think that the collage of photos in the infobox can be restored now, for now the label of "Argentines of European descent" does not breaks any rule on BLP or ethnicity. If you consider it does, let's talk about it. Also many other photos and data can be added, as the list of artists in tango, folklore, rock and sports. I added the sections, but feel free to remove them or modify them if you consider something is wrong with them. In any case, let's keep in touch. Ah, the text I added is mostly what I had written before, but now I left out the Argentines of Arab descent, and replaced the phrase "White Argentines" for "Argentines of European descent", but I may have had some "W.A." phrase unreplaced. So, if you find some, please forgive my mistake and replace it.--Pablozeta (talk) 20:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Sherlock. I re-added the sports section, leaving only the paragraphs where I state what collectivity brought what sport, which are well-referenced. I took out the lists of sportmen until I have more sources of their European ancestry. Anyway, I left Fangio, Locche and Firpo, whose Italian ancestry is referenced in the text. Galtieri, Alfonsín and Hagelin's photos may also be left, for their European descent can be referenced too. The problem with those people who are grandchildren or great-grandchildren of European immigrants, is that it is hard to find a source that provides their genealogy so many generations back. I agree with you anyway that we must be very thorough for the "wolves" are lurking to detract any small detail in the article.--Pablozeta (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Argentine people of European descent for deletionEdit

 

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I'd advise against editing the article. As it contains substantial amounts of text copy-pasted from the 'White Argentine' article with no edit history, it constitutes a breach of copyright, and will undoubtedly be deleted for that reason. Instead, I'd carry on working on the userfied versionAndyTheGrump (talk) 14:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Argentine people of European descentEdit

I've fixed the archiving bot for you for the new name, and I've moved the 2 old archives to the correct place as well.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Great, Sherlock! They seem to accept the article. Andy is questioning the semantics of the term, but he did not go further. but GiovBag appeared again, redirecting the article. IANVS and I reverted his changes, but I wonder if this is going to be the beginning of another war edit. I hope this Italian understands some reasons at last.--Pablozeta (talk) 01:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Major changes in Argentines of European descentEdit

Hi, Sherlock. I ask you to help me persuade GiovBag not to make major changes in the article before seeking consensus. I reverted his arbitrary changes twice today. I dont want to violate 3RR, and I think he needs to see that we are many who support the article as it is. It may need addition of sections not amputation of paragraphs, sources or photos.--Pablozeta (talk) 18:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Can I remind you both that when reverting, you must use the proper tools, and not copy-paste an earlier version. A copy-paste destroys the edit sequence history, and thus constitutes a breach of the copyright of other contributors. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Participate in White Latin American's AfDEdit

Hi, how are you? Please, participate in this discussion by adding your opinion and arguments why it should be kept, or why it should not. --Pablozeta (talk) 17:14, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Please, contribute with your comment.Edit

There a AfD in progress here which I think you may find interesting; if you want, add your opinion whether it should be kept or deleted. Thanks.--Rusoargentino (talk) 19:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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TeissaireEdit

Hola Sherlock. Soy de nuevo yo acerca de la muerte de Teissaire. Se publicó una nota (que incluye fotocopia de la necrológica del 12 de septiembre de 1962 de La Nación) explicando que el asesinato es una versión incorrecta. Corregí en w:es y w:en pero si podés repasar mi edición en esta última seguro que hay errores. Te saludo cordialmente.--Héctor Guido Calvo (talk) 01:03, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Consent for manufacturingEdit

Restaurants are not generally classified as manufacturing. Since any parent categories should be based on most/all of what is included, clearly manufacturing is not correct. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I suggest leaving it off. I think that is the case for the rest of this series like Category:Food companies of the United States. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:43, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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Argentine electionsEdit

Just wanted to stop by and give my thanks for the Argentine election articles you've written. They're very helpful resources for me right now! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, if you have time, I do have a couple questions. :-) I'm reworking parts of the Rivadavia-class battleship articles, and I'm wondering if you can help me with a couple items...
  • Are there any resources/references on the legislative bill that authorized the ships? It was passed at the end of August 1908 with 72 in support to 13 opposed, but that's all I have...
  • Livermore, "Battleship Diplomacy in South America: 1905–1925", citing American diplomatic cables, writes that socialist gains in the legislature in 1914 fueled a movement to sell the ships, but he can't be referring to the actual Socialist party, only the Radical Civic Union. Do you know (a) whether Livermore is, indeed, referring to the RCU and (b) can/should they be described as socialist?
Last, you might like this journal article ("Socialism and Democracy in Argentina in the Age of the Second International"). Thanks for any help you can provide! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Request reason:

@Berean Hunter:: Please consider that I've never used this secondary account to edit-war, as it was an account that I used only occasionally and only on non-Argentine related subjects (the ones Bobrayner and DaltonCastle have been edit-warring on); of course I'll gladly delete/inactivate the secondary account if it's best, as I hardly use it (the edit you mentioned was to update the federal debt on the U.S. Economy page, whose infobox I update once in a great while. The 98.166 IP hasn't been used at all since March - and it was never used to edit war. The closest edits on that IP to my Sherlock log-on are six weeks apart, and never in the middle of an edit dispute. In the meantime, you can be assured the two POV pushers will be reinserting their stale op-eds and BLP violations. I'll be happy to accept any suggestions and answer any questions you may have about this at all. Please reconsider. Thank you, Sherlock4000 (talk) 22:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The claim that you never used IP or alternative account to edit-war is factually incorrect. All of them edit-warred, though not on the same articles. Then there's also the block evasion and other violations of WP:SOCK. Huon (talk) 00:00, 18 June 2015 (UTC).


Hi, @Huon: Can you please point to these violations? Please keep in mind most of those accounts (w/ sole exception of the Nononsense one, which I've never used to interact with the two accusing editors) have been verified as having nothing to do with me. The IP address hasn't been used since March - and while it did edit some of the same pages as Sherlock, I never "edit-warred" with it as the edits were at least 6 weeks apart -9/7 to 10/22-. Thank You. Sherlock4000 (talk) 00:10, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

Although Berean Hunter is the blocking admin and I value any thoughts he may have, this is a checkuser block and cannnot be easily undone. You have a very clear history of thinking you can edit as you please, whether it's editing without logging in, for which you've been blocked more than once, or as it turns out, for having another undisclosed account almost since the date you created your main account. Contrary to what you appear to believe, I can see no legitimate purpose for you to have an account to edit non-Argentinian articles.
The most I would agree to at this point is the usual six-month offer, meaning come back no earlier than six months from now and make a credible request to be able to edit again using only one account and always logging in. I'm not saying such a request would be granted, but I wouldn't consider a request any earlier than that.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
  • You were blocked for a month last December but you evaded that block using the other account deceptively and despite the fact that there had been multiple SPI filings against you. We're not interested in you pointing fingers at other users; this is about your behavior. I do find that most other accounts were used inappropriately to edit war and stalk the editors with which you have a beef. I've hardblocked that IP because we can't trust that you won't try to use other accounts with it.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 22:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
@Bbb23: and @Berean Hunter: For Goodness' sake I never used that secondary account to interact in any way with either of those two editors (who are trying to ban me to push POV on WP Argentina). Please by all means delete the Nononsense account - as I did not know you could not use it even in completely unrelated edits! The 98.166 IP, in turn, has not been used since March - and even before then, never in a particular edit dispute (no less than 6 weeks -9/7 to 10/22- went by before the IP edit and the nearest Sherlock edit). I haven't used it since March and wouldn't at all, even to edit about Timbuktu. Please reconsider. Thanks again. Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Your statements about your "innocence" are simply not believable. You may have not used the IP since March, but the use was after your last block for using it. I also remember your saying similar things to Mike V when you were blocked for editing without logging in and asking him to "reconsider". How can anyone who's been blocked twice for sock puppetry say "I didn't know" over and over again? I have nothing more to say here.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:10, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, @Bbb23: I was not using the IP account to "sockpuppet" and told MikeV so at the time (alas, to no avail). The block was based on edits that were 6 or more weeks apart -9/7 to 10/22- and never in the middle of an edit dispute (something he didn't notice at the time). In the meantime likely sockpuppetry by Bobrayner went unnoticed ([4]) and Dalton castle is reinserting his BLP-violating gossip as we speak, as I said would happen. Thanks again. Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
This block is about you. One more comment attacking another editor, and I will revoke your access to this page.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
@Bbb23: That's fine - but can you please take into account the fact that a) I never used the secondary account to interact with these two at any time; b) the IP edits from last year that brought on the trouble were always at distant dates (six weeks to six months) from my Sherlock edits, thus confirming that the IP was never used to sock-puppet. I might add that several other accounts were mentioned that have nothing to do with me, as corroborated by the check-user inquiry (I say that because those poor souls were blocked with the accusation they had something to do with this, when they most certainly did not!). Bbb, this whole thing was a mistake; nevertheless I will adopt any and all changes you suggest (I'm not that familiar with Wikipedia's rules, certainly don't want to trip on any of them, and thus welcome advice). Thank you. Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

In reply to the comment regarding the decline of the unblock request: WP:Sock puppetry#Inappropriate uses of alternative accounts also includes this provision: "Editing project space: Undisclosed alternative accounts are not to be used in discussions internal to the project." Huon (talk) 00:49, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@Huon: Thank you for your reply. Please bear with me, but I don't understand what that means exactly. I've only ever used my main (Sherlock) account for all these edits in dispute (the ones being reverted wholesale as we speak). I did once or twice have a content dispute with someone deleting RS content with the Nononsense acct. - but they never had anything to do with my main account edits (I certainly did not know you couldn't have any content disputes on a secondary account). I never used that acct. to sockpuppet on benhalf of the other - and certainly don't want to use it at all now, even on totally unrelated work. I have already stopped using the 98.166 IP. Thanks again. Sherlock4000 (talk) 01:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Using the Nononsense account, you vigorously pursued another editor. You opened this discussion at WP:ANI. When that didn't go anywhere, you essentially repeated the same accusations at WP:DRN here. I'm not even counting the discussions you participated in on article Talk pages. I keep saying I'll have nothing more to say here, but it's hard for me to let go misstatements of fact, and the refrain of "I didn't know" is tiresome.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for looking into it @Bbb23: - and please note that dispute had nothing to do with my Sherlock work at all. I really had no idea you couldn't have any separate content disputes on a secondary account! It goes without saying that if I'm unblocked that account is to be dumped ipso facto (please expunge it, if such a thing is possible). Regards, Sherlock4000 (talk) 01:55, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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