Testing the talk page Seki1949 (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


I don't think that's good enough. We have to take statements about living people very seriously per WP:BLP (please look through that page if you haven't seen it before), and any contentious statements about living people must be sourced or removed. Claiming that someone actively avoided military service is a serious accusation that could harm the subject. The source in the Lieberman article (which you can read here) does claim that he didn't serve in Vietnam despite being of appropriate age but it doesn't allege that he actively avoided military service, so it can't be used to support an allegation of this nature. To avoid synthesis ideally we would need a source that labelled him as a "chickenhawk" or which pointed out a contrast between his lack of military service and advocacy of military action to include him. Hut 8.5 13:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The article currently defines the term as a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age (emphasis added). Even if that definition is not accurate (and definitions of the term do seem to vary) including Lieberman in such an article amounts to a claim that he actively avoided military service, and the sentence you added said he "avoided" military service rather than simply not being drafted. Wikipedia has strict policies on biographies of living people and original research, and it isn't acceptable for editors to deduce that someone avoided military service from the fact that they weren't drafted. We need external sources to make that deduction for us. Having said that the sources you've provided on my talk page are a lot better, and I think Lieberman could reasonably be mentioned if they were explicitly cited. I didn't remove Lieberman for any political reasons (I'm not even American), I just want the article to conform to Wikipedia policy. If the article does claim that any other people avoided military service without citing sources then you are entirely within your rights to remove them. Hut 8.5 10:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm a volunteer editor. I am also an administrator, which means I've been entrusted with a few extra buttons to do things like blocking users and deleting pages. Hut 8.5 20:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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  Hello, I'm Donner60. I noticed that in this edit to Rod Dreher, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Donner60 (talk) 03:38, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

  You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Rod Dreher; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Please format your talk per wp:talk page formatting. If you want a reply to your talk, I would suggest using template:reply to. Many editors are busy and don't closely monitor pages. You can notify multiple editors with one reply to.
If nobody agrees, I would suggest finding another article or area to edit. Arguing ad nauseam is best avoided. See wp:stick. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 08:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, do not refactor other people's comments, as you did here. If you made a mistake, explain it or drop it and move on, but attempting to conceal part of a discussion in this way is confusing at best and disruptive at worst. Other people's comments should only be removed in extreme cases. Follow talk page guidelines. Remember that real people are on the other side of your screen. A small number of us are taking the time to participate in these discussions. Building consensus involves having a conversation. Grayfell (talk) 00:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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