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Baker Demonstration School

Thanks for the advice about Clara Belle Baker. I'm also working on an update of the Baker Demonstration School site. When I'm finished I'd love to submit it to you for review. But before I do that...

I'd like to remove/report the references to Donald Rumsfeld going to Baker Demonstration School. What's the process for that? I deleted it - which was probably not the step to take - and saw that you put it back in.

It should be deleted for several reasons. First, the reference site that is used claimed that it gathered information from Mr. Rumsfeld memoir "Known and Unknown." No where in that memoir does it refer to Baker Demonstration School. Also, the site is riddled with other errors about Mr. Rumsfeld's life. For example, while the site claims that Mr. Rumsfeld was born in Evanston, the direct evidence from his memoir indicates otherwise:

"My father had spent most of his youth and first years of marriage in modest apartments in the city and was eager to move his family to a house in the suburbs. When I was six, we moved to nearby Evanston, home of Northwestern University, and then finally to a house in Winnetka, a small suburb to the north."

I have to conclude that is an unreliable source.

I am also planning on deleting/reporting the reference to Charlton Heston. The site used as a reference for that: ( clearly is using Wikipedia itself as a source. Furthermore, you can see on the Charlton Heston page: there is debate over whether he ever lived in Evanston, and no confirmable evidence that he attended Baker Demonstration.

Should I delete those references and mentions - or report them?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by InquirEDlearn (talkcontribs) 20:57, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. I didn't restore the Rumsfeld reference, I just reformatted some things and found a better reference for some. In any case, the rule is that anybody can edit any article. If you've got a legitimate reason to make a change, just go ahead an make it. The process can be somewhat chaotic, but amazingly enough, it usually ends up working out just fine. Another possibility, if you believe a source doesn't meet our reliability requirements, might be to tag the citation with Template:Better source or Template:Dubious, or any of the myriad other tags we've got available in Template:Citation and verifiability article maintenance templates. But, fixing it yourself is better than just tagging it and leaving it to somebody else to fix.
One more thing I should add. Looking at possible sources with a critical eye (as you are indeed doing) is a valuable and essential skill. Many potential sources are of dubious value at best, and should be ignored. Blogs and other user generated content are legion. Some sources, if you look carefully, are just parroting what other sources (sometimes wikipedia article) say. Having the perseverance to find the best, most reliable, sources, is important. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:15, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-05

18:15, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Arthur Babbitt Fairchild

Hello RoySmith. Could you or one.of your talk page followers please move this deleted article to draft space or direct me to the appropriate venue to make such a request? There are articles on his father, two of his sons, and his family. I'd like to see.what was there before I at least redirect the subject title. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Done. Now at Draft:Arthur Babbitt Fairchild. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2019-06

17:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Crystal mush

Dear RoySmith, Thank you for reviewing this Crystal Mush page (Crystal_mush). You have assessed it as C-class. May you please indicate what are its major weaknesses and strengths leading to this grade? This page was part of a teaching exercise and your opinion is very useful.

Thank you.

Julien Leuthold

Hi Julien, and thanks for your note. The way the AfC system works, when you accept an article, you get prompted to assign it a quality rating. The ratings are described at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Grading scheme. To be honest, I think the quality grading system is a little silly, in that there's way too many possible grades, with too many subtle distinctions between them. As as result, I don't put much effort into the evaluation. At AfC, I'm really just looking to see if it passes the bar to get promoted to mainspace. Your article clearly did. In fact, it's a very nice piece of work and you are to be commended for your efforts. There's so much drek that comes through AfD, seeing something this good really makes my day. One criticism I could make is that you rely more on WP:PRIMARY sources than on WP:SECONDARY sources. This is common with science articles, and is really just a issue of scientific papers being written in a different style from encyclopedia articles. I suggest you ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geology; the folks there will be more familiar with the subject matter than I am, and will be able to provide more specific advice. They'll also be better qualified to re-assess the article than I am. Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ might also be helpful. Again, I think this is a really nice piece of work. Thank you for your contribution to the encyclopedia, and I hope you stay around to write more articles. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your feedbacks. You suggestions are very useful and I will consider them for the next similar exercise. I am very happy you enjoyed the article and hope you could understand most of its content.Julien.leuthold (talk) 13:18, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

David Nemer

Dear RoySmith- I hope this note finds you well. We've been discussing the deletion review for the article on David Nemer, and last week, I have created a draft based on the portuguese article on him and have also added other sources. I'm not sure what would the next step be. I was hoping to have it restored so other people could help me improve it. The article in portuguese has grown quite a bit- and maybe these people would contribute to the english article. David Nemer's wikiquote articles (EN and PT) are also there. Thanks a bunch in advance! --Wikisharktank (talk) 13:48, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

My suggestion is to just let the DRV discussion proceed to its conclusion. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@RoySmith: Thank you, RoySmith. I just got a notification that the DRV discussion is closed, and the conclusion was to let the article to be drafted and, then, have an editor moving it to the main space whenever he/she finds it ready. I have prepared the draft a while ago, and some people went there and also contributed to the article. Could you please take a look at it and check if you deem it ready? Thanks! --Wikisharktank (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
You should submit it for review. See the instructions at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. In a nutshell, just add, {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. If you're using the visual editor, you can do this with Insert/Template, then type "submit" in the "Add a template" box. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:36, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


Why delete the draft article for Netcoins? It's a notable publicly traded company, world first in the Bitcoin industry, widely cited in media and online. Nearly $100M in revenue. Others less notable are included in Wikipedia.

Cryptocurrency spam. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Can you clarify? Or do you just have a bias / discrimination against Bitcoin? Perhaps you're not the right person to make that assessment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Please feel free to bring this to WP:DRV if you like. FYI, Bkissin. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, yes I've now posted there for review. If you need more clarification on the company/industry, I'd be happy to explain. It's definitely not Cryptocurrency spam, quick Google news search will confirm this. If you're willing to un-delete, that would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)


Sir RoySmith,

  Beharia---- My article is an simple article. I have corrected as far as possible .If you can spare your valuable time I will be very grateful to you    Thanking you.  Uploadsou14 (talk) 12:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Glad I could be of assistance. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:22, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-07

18:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

The American Economist

Dear RoySmith, you were the one to review the draft I created for the Journal The American Economist. Upon reviewing you decided that there were copyrighted parts of it and deleted the entire page. I plan to recreate the document and would just like further explanation as to what was copyrighted so I do not make the same mistake again. I believe you thought the table describing the Articles in the Journal written by Nobel Laureates was copyrighted but there was a reference for it. Am I missing some other piece that you believe deserved the action of deleting the entire page instead of allowing me to make edits before publication? Thank you. written 2/14/19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pagemcgowan (talkcontribs) 19:13, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I see you've gone ahead and recreated this, with exactly the same copyright problem. Honoring copyright is one of the strongest and most inflexible rules we have on wikipedia, and I've thus had to delete this again. Please take a look at WP:CV and understand our copyright policy before attempting to recreate this again. In a nutshell, you can't copy somebody else's work. Even if you reference it, you still can't copy it. That's what you've done here. You copied entire paragraphs from That material is copyrighted (see the "© 2019 SAGE Publications" at the bottom of the page). That means we cannot have it on our servers, in any form, even with proper attribution. You can use the information, but you can't use the text, either literally, or as a close paraphrase. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
By the way, I'm guessing you may have some connection with the journal or with Omicron Delta Epsilon. If so, please take a look at WP:COI to understand our conflict of interest rules. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Nathan Lee (February 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by RoySmith was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
-- RoySmith (talk) 15:06, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Thanks for your feedback. I searched for some reviews of the subject, and found the review from the Washington Post to be critical, as it stated "What was less discernible in Lee’s playing Sunday afternoon was the nascent sense of an original voice, that quality that lifts a performance from a simulacrum of the music to an authentic utterance, born of necessity." I would appreciate if you could give some pointers on how to approve the article before resubmission, if you think it is worth working on. For example, should I change "mixed" to "positive ?"

Berlecalm (talk) 02:48, 9 February 2019 (UTC)Berlecalm

Hmmm, I vaguely remember seeing this question before. Did I neglect to answer it somewhere else? If so, I apologize. Music is not my field of expertise, so I may have missed some of the nuances of the review. Maybe you're OK the way it is, but another possibility would be to say something like, "the NYT and SunBreak were enthusiastic (quotes here). The Washington Post, on the other hand, was more critical (quote here)". Just a suggestion. You could go ahead and resubmit it and see what another reviewer thinks. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:20, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Thanks for the advice. I appreciate your help.

Berlecalm (talk) 02:54, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

hello nice to meet you

My name is ImmortalWizard. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 23:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Same here. I see your decision as wise. Bandwidth is cheap to free so it is not necessary to delete but to merge/redirect is better. Some in Wikipedia foam at the mouth and want to destroy and delete a lot of things. I am more tolerant. As long as it is not inflammatory, BLP violating, or clearly rubbish, merge is fine. Cheesesteak1 (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-08

23:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Louis Sola

You closed a Deletion Review at as Endorsed. It isn't entirely clear to me whether you are saying that the deletion decision was correct and a new article should not be evaluated, or whether you are saying that the deletion decision was correct at the time but a new article may be evaluated. If the former, I will decline the current draft again. If the latter, I will review the draft again, and will probably accept it. What was the significance of the Endorse? (We had never been questioning whether the original deletion was correct, but whether it had changed.) Robert McClenon (talk) 04:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your note. I've updated my close to address your question. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk to us about talking

Trizek (WMF) 15:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Endless recreation

Conspiracy Series with Shane Dawson seems to be the latest attempt to recreate the page previously deleted after AfD discussions Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conspiracy Series by Shane Dawson and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Shane Dawson Conspiracy Series and of course Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conspiracy Series (Special Edition). Persistent! Bakazaka (talk) 02:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Sigh. Unfortunately, I think this meets the not substantially identical exclusion to WP:G4, so I don't think I can delete it on sight. I suggest bringing it to AfD, where I suspect it'll go down in flames. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-09

21:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Feb 27 WikiWednesday Salon + Mar 2 MoMA Art+Feminism and beyond

February 27, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

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Citing Sources

Could you explain the reason for this revert:

Or if this was a simple mistake or accidemnt please correct it.--Kmhkmh (talk) 14:01, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Whoops. Yeah, I was on a mobile device and got an accidental mis-click. I thought I had canceled it, but I guess not. Thanks for pointing it out. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for the fix.--Kmhkmh (talk) 14:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Maruch Santíz Gómez

Hello Roy, thanks for reviewing the draft of this article. I'm not sure about the criteria in considering the article as promotional, or if you can support me pointing me the paragraphs or the parts that you are considering as promotion. Greetings from Mexico, ProtoplasmaKid (talk) 22:21, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hola. It's hard to point to any specific thing, but the whole article just has a tone of trying to show the subject in the best possible light, with flowery language. Phrases like, "communitarian immersive research" sound more like what you'd see in an advertisement than in an encyclopedia. It might be useful to read WP:TONE. My Spanish is pretty poor, but looking at es:Maruch_Santíz_Gómez (and a little help from Google Translate), it looks like this comes from, "Maruch realiza un proceso de investigación inmersiva comunitaria". I'll agree that's probably an accurate translation, but it still comes out like it's trying to sell the reader on something.
One thing that's complicated with translating articles from other wikis is that each wiki has their own rules and customs. Here on the English wikipedia, we're careful to avoid promotional language. I don't know what the Spanish wiki does; such writing may be entirely accepted there. So, if you start with something that's promotional, the translation becomes tricky.
You'll also want to read WP:Translate#How to translate to review our requirements for proper attribution. You said in your initial edit comment, "Starting translation from Spanish article.", but we need something more specific than that.
I hope that's been useful. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:11, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-10

16:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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Sharmeena Begum

Hi Roy, Thanks for your comment as part of the AfD closure. I have rewritten the hatnote. Hopefully it is clearer now. Obviously it will need to be updated if their statuses change. I agree with the point re. Daily Mail - especially since it seems all the other sources for this section refer back to it. However, the Evening Standard - which is considered reliable - picks up the report and seems to add their own editorial which confirms the story, so I'm inclined to accept this. It's useful to keep the source in the article as it is mentioned by the other sources. I wouldn't want it on its own, of course. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 14:09, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. On the DM issue, I simply felt obligated to note the issue. I'll leave it up to your editorial judgement how to handle it. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:11, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm, I just read your revised hatnote wording. I'd strongly suggest you stay away from the "currently" wording. As I stated earlier, consider somebody reading this 10 years from now. The "currently" reference is going to be meaningless. Take a look at the similar hatnote at Shamima Begum, which is worded better, because it will still make sense to somebody reading it in the distant future. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:18, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-11

19:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Smeller (Scent Performance Technology)

Hello Roy, Thanks for your comment on the title! I changed the title so it should be more fitting now. I am pretty new to Wikipedia and am glad for every help I can get to improve my article and editing. --Alecsodian 11:12, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Help with Deleted NetBase Solutions page

Hi @RoySmith, I was hoping to start a conversation regarding the notability discussion/deletion of NetBase Solutions page. We missed the review discussion period and are only now realizing our Wikipedia page was recently deleted.

It's suggested to reach out to the admin who deleted our page first, so I wanted to see if there were any actions you'd recommend to either A. get this page undeleted or B.recreate the page that has sufficient notability. Many of the sources of this original wikipedia page were decidedly outdated and we'd be happy to update them in hopes of providing threshold of significance.

Appreciate your time, ScottHin45 (talk) 14:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)ScottHin45

I assume your use of "we" implies you have some business relationship with the subject. Please see WP:COI and [13], in particular "Paid contributions without disclosure". Beyond that, the AfD was unanimous that this did not meet WP:GNG. You can ask for a review, but based on what I saw in the AfD, it's very unlikely it'll get overturned. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-12

19:44, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

March 20: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC + March 23: Asian Art Archive/New York Public Library

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We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

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NetBase AfD original page copy request

Hi RoySmith, Thank you for your comment and help on Full discloser I have a COI with NetBase, with whom I work. Would you be able to provide the deleted page content that I may review to better understand the AfD dicsussion? Thanks again! --ScottHin45 (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Before anything else can happen, you need to make the appropriate disclosure on your user page per WP:DISCLOSE. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:15, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi RoySmith,

Thanks again for your assistance. I have disclosed my COI according to WP:DISCLOSE guidelines. With that in place, could I request a copy of the deleted page content? Question, if I provided additional Notability references to the above NetBase article, do you believe that would be enough to warrant a review? Would my COI prevent my involvement in this process? Thank you!ScottHin45 (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm still not seeing anything at User:ScottHin45. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Sigh. You put it on your talk page. I moved it to your user page. I've restored the deleted page to User:ScottHin45/NetBase Solutions. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

The WP:THREE best sources

Hi RoySmith,

I am writing to let you know I have the three sources you requested regarding my article for submission

They are:

Also check out: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clemfandango223 (talkcontribs) 21:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I resubmitted the article for review. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clemfandango223 (talkcontribs) 21:20, 20 March 2019 (UTC)


It doesn't appear to be an autobiography but an advertisement for a book by the author. Same principle, but slightly clearer case, because autobiographies are strongly discouraged, but advertising is forbidden. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Deletion review for Dorothy Hague

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dorothy Hague. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. (talk) 14:23, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

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