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Template:Did you know nominations/Robust capuchin monkey

Once you decide if you are expanded Template:Did you know nominations/Robust capuchin monkey to include a second article or not, let me know and I will be happy to review. --LauraHale (talk) 20:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I've expanded the gracile capuchin article enough for DYK purposes so far, so I added that to the nom. Rlendog (talk) 02:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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Cheap Trick: It's Only Love

Hello,

Based on edits of the article for "Way of the World", I believe you may have access to the band's biography book Reptutation is a Fragile Thing. If so, would it be possible to have a quick look for any mention of the single It's Only Love and the video for it. Much appreciated. Ajsmith141 (talk) 14:51, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I do have that book. It is very good - since you are obviously interested in Cheap Trick you may want to see if you can snag a used copy on Amazon or such for a decent price (although right now the cheapest seems to be $45, which is probably excessive). I don't have it with me now, but I can look the song up when I get a chance. When was it released? One thing I hate about the book is that there is no index, so it is a pain to find things unless you have a real good idea where to look. Rlendog (talk) 15:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks very much, I do hope to get a copy when a good deal comes along. Copies seem to be very expensive and apparently the book itself was limited to only a few thousand copies. The song was from 1986, taken from The Doctor album. Thanks again. Ajsmith141 (talk) 18:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• There are a couple of paragraphs on the song and its video in the context of The Doctor on pages 142-143. There may be more in other contexts (e.g., live performances) but that's hard to track down without an index. Some salient points are:

1. They call the lyrics "fairly unimaginative" but praise the "airy, effervescent melody," Zander's "sublime" vocals and Nielsen's "imaginative" guitar playing.
2. They also praise the straightforward production, in contrast with the "busy, claustrophobic" production on the rest of the album.
3. "Kiss Me Red" was originally supposed to be the single, but it was replaced by "It's Only Love", backed by "Name of the Game" in November 1986
4. There was a video, which included a beautiful blonde girl. Nielsen is quoted saying "There's no women in leather or fire or chains or whips, but there is a blonde girl."
5. The video was signed for the hearing impaired. Nielsen again is quoted about having played in a place in Milwaukee which had a school for the deaf upstairs. The deaf children apparently came downstairs when they played to feel the vibrations.

Hope this helps. Rlendog (talk) 01:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks very much, that's some great information, I must get the book at some point. Thanks for all the help. Ajsmith141 (talk) 08:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Sue Me, Sue You Blues

Just to let you know, there's another user working on the same song, but on a slightly different titled article. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 10:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah, nevermind. I've seen the discussion above. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 10:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

[The following moved from end of previous section to this topic − not sure how it ended up under Cheap Trick discussion. JG66 (talk) 13:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)]:

Hi there RIendog. I've noticed your name on edit histories for pages I've contributed to over the last month or so and thought I'd get in touch because I've just noticed you've submitted an article for Beatle George's "Sue Me, Sue You Blues". Great to see ... but I guess you weren't aware I put up an article called "Sue Me, Sue You Blues (song)" just a day or two ago! (The reason I added '(song)' to the title was, being something of a newbie, I couldn't see how to directly submit a new article when a redirect was in place to take users back to the relevant album listing. Did the same for "So Sad" recently, after which another contributor arranged for the move/name change − so rightly or wrongly, I went for same approach with "Sue Me, Sue You Blues".) Anyway, reason for contacting you is to find out whether you're okay with me adding quite a bit of detail from my piece, and reworking your material obviously to ensure the combined article reads smoothly − hopefully it doesn't need saying, but just want to ensure all's well. Is that okay with you?

Oh, and just to let you know, I'm working on a piece for "The Lord Loves the One" now, and I'm considering one for "The Day the World Gets 'Round", after which I was planning to revisit the Living in the Material World article and try to bring it up to B-class (as Dark Horse now is). Thought it best to share that info now − in case you're doing the same! My plan for "The Lord Loves the One" is to discuss quite heavily the influence of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and George's relationship with him; then I'd be looking to add something brief on this issue to the "Living in the Material World" song article I think you came up with. (That said, my nine-year-old's on school holidays soon, so we'll see how that plan goes ...)

Anyway, would be good to read your thoughts on all this − we're obviously of like minds on things Harrison(!). Cheers and bye for now, JG66 (talk) 08:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Of course, the two articles should be merged. They probably should be merged to Sue Me, Sue You Blues without the parenthetical (song), but a redirect will be needed from the article with "(song)" in the title. In the future, it is very easy to expand a redirect. After you've been redirected, it will say under the article title (Redirected from [X]). If you click on X, you will go to the redirect page, which will just say #REDIRECT[[target page]]. There may also be some categories and sorts on the page. All you have to do is open the edit screen and start creating your article in place of the #REDIRECT[[target page]]. Rlendog (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I've done the merge. I cleaned up most of the duplicate information, although there may be some additional cleanup necessary. Rlendog (talk) 19:52, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, RIendog, I'm glad you did the merge and not me (followed your link, sounds complicated). In hindsight, might have been an idea to make my version the 'keep' and added in the extra details from yours, maybe. Just mention it because a few of the refs went astray somehow: all the Leng p. 127 ones were attributed to pages in I Me Mine (an interesting situation, if you think about it!). Fixed those now, but I hope they were the only ones, obviously. I've also done more work streamlining the combined article. This includes moving quite a bit of your text discussing authors' opinions down towards the end of the 'George Harrison version' section, sometimes paraphrasing the words (to avoid an unnecessary list of 'Zeth Lendy says ... Allmusic's Bruce Eder writes ...', because while critics' response is of interest, it's not as if each and every opinion is per se). Also, changed first heading to "Background and composition" and reworded that section in places (eg mostly past tense) to ensure that the focus there is very much 1971. This is in keeping with structure throughout the article, where developments are handled chronologically mostly − eg, background: late '60s Beatles context & early '71 High Court action; JE Davis version: mid-late '71/early '72 release; GH version: early-mid '73 (+ reviews up to present day); other versions: '74 tour (+ quick step back for '71 demo). I think it should make for a good piece all up. Great point you added about "Only a Northern Song", btw ... which got me thinking about "Taxman" in the same vein. Anyway, thought I should just explain my changes here; it's not as if there's room in the edit comments. Bye for now, JG66 (talk) 02:21, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Rlendog, I reviewed this DYK entry and have one question about the hook. Should be easy enough to fix, after which I'll mark it as ready. Regards, Resolute 17:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. It is probably safest to go with the lowest common denominator among the sources, 2 of which discuss listeners hearing the message and one just stating that the message exists. So I suggested an alternative addressing that. Rlendog (talk) 14:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Living in the Material World (song)

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Errant file moves

Hi, I mistakenly moved 13 September 2008 Delhi bombings, thinking it was unique. But found out there was another one in September of that year. Could you please move it back? Thanks, --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:19, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, here's another one apparently moved in error. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. Rlendog (talk) 11:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

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• I still strongly disagree with this, but would you at least userfy it for me? I asked the original closer and apparently I was ignored. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 17:36, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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Would you be willing to reconsider the closure? I looked through the article again, and none of the sources validated his notability. The entire section on the police medal was a copyright violation from a website that is a both news-aggregator host for user-generated content, which doesn't make it a WP:RS. Going through the rest of the references, none of them can be used to back most of the detail in the article other than his current title, a former title and his residential phone number. The titles don't rise to the level of notability, and most of the news coverage that mentions him does so in brief mentions in his professional capacity. (Any person could be the individual from the ministry or police that was quoted for those news articles without changing the content of the articles.) I've listed my reasoning at Talk:T. P. Senkumar#Article issues and notability for why I removed all of the references and a section of the article. I've additionally tagged this under BLP PROD as I believe that applies now that it is an unreferenced BLP. Imzadi 1979 → 23:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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That said, I am not sure I agree with the approach of a BLP PROD. At least two of the sources in the article appeared to be appropriate reliable sources. While use of the yentha source involved a copyvio, and was appropriately removed, that information could have also been paraphrased in the article. And I am not sure why the kochicitypolice would need to be removed. While that source does not appear to be independent of the subject, and thus does not help demonstrate notability, that is an argument to bring up at AfD, rather than removing from an existing (at least for now) BLP article. Rlendog (talk) 00:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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You're welcome! I have a couple of Philoctetes articles in the DYK queue now, which I suppose will be in DYK within a few days. Rlendog (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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Just wondering. Here you said 3 months but the article is only protected for 3 weeks. Did you mean to say 3 weeks or protect for 3 months? Gnevin (talk) 09:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I must have hit the wrong button. I intended the protection to be 3 months, as short protection periods don't seem to be working for this article. Rlendog (talk) 13:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem and thanks. Gnevin (talk) 13:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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I was not aware of that. Thanks for letting me know. Rlendog (talk) 16:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

And another thing, Category:XXXX songs is a categorization by creation, whereas Category:XXXX singles relates to the marketing of a song. All the song category say, "Songs written or first produced in XXXX." No need to remove songs, unless some editor has added two different dates, in which case subsequent dates can be removed. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

XXXX singles is a subcategory within XXXX songs, so any article in XXXX singles is automatically included within XXXX songs. Hence, XXXX songs is redundant to XXXX singles. Rlendog (talk) 18:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It has also been discussed at WP:Songs twice and it was agreed there. It is also part of WP:SONGS so don't take my word for it. I am surprised when people can't underestand the differentiate between "single" and "song" but that's probably just me - I can hear a song, but have yet to hear a single :) Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I am fine either way. But others complain about adding redundant categories, which XXXX songs is if the article is already within XXXX singles. But if the current position is to have both, I'll leave them that way. Rlendog (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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You reverted my housekeeping edits to this article without explanation, even though the changes were all in line with the MoS and bring the refs closer to the guidelines for using the cite template, and even though I had explained my proposed changes and invited comment on the talk page more than a week ago, and no comments were received. What is your reason for this reversion? Colonies Chris (talk) 18:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the location information is unnecessary, and didn't realize I reverted that. But the publisher is not Baseball-Reference.com, it is Sports Reference LLC, which publishes a work called Baseball-Reference. Which is why the citation template shows both. I am not seeing anything in the MoS that suggests that it should be done otherwise, and this was one of the requirements to get some of the baseball lists up to FL status (I don't remember if the issue came up specifically in this FL discussion or had already been decided by the time this list came up for FL.) Rlendog (talk) 19:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the publisher of Baseball-Reference is Sports Reference LLC, but including that fact doesn't help anyone, for two reasons. Primarily, because noone who's trying to track down or assess the reliability of a reference will be helped in that task by knowing the name of the publisher of Baseball-Reference, and secondarily because the Wikipedia article Sports Reference LLC is actually a redirect back to to Baseball-Reference.com (which of course identifies its publisher, if anyone really wants to know that). Repeating the publisher over and over again in each citation makes the article appreciably longer without adding anything useful at all. Can you provide a reference to where the publisher was said to be required for FL status? That makes no sense to me. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

The discussions must have taken place in late 2008, but I am not sure which forum(s)/page(s) they were on. That said, this is the state of this article when it was promoted to FL [1] and it showed "Sports Reference LLC" as the publisher. I am not sure why it matters that on Wikipedia Sports Reference LLC redirects to Baseball-Reference.com; that may be because the only Sports Reference LLC work that has a Wikipedia article is Baseball-Reference.com but Sports Reference LLC certainly has other works that they publish, e.g., Pro-Football-Reference.com, which is also a widely used source on Wikipedia. The main reason for referencing Sports Reference LLC as the publisher is that it reflects the reality; Sports Reference LLC is the publisher and Baseball-Reference is the particular work published by Sports Reference LLC that this particular article is using as a source. Rlendog (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

From the history of the article, it looks like confusion arose when the incorrect publisher=Baseball-Reference parameters were replaced by the correct work=Baseball-Reference and correct but unnecessary publisher=Sports Reference LLC. It's valuable to know that a particular fact comes from Baseball-Reference.com, but for checking a reference, knowing the publisher of that website doesn't help at all; just as, for example, checking a reference from the San Francisco Chronicle isn't aided by knowing that the paper is published by Hearst Communications. (The fact that Sports Reference LLC redirects back to Baseball-Reference.com is a side note, not the main issue.) The publisher parameter can be valuable, when identifying a book, for example, but for a source like this, particularly one that that has its own WP article, it adds nothing useful at all. Colonies Chris (talk) 00:04, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure knowing the publisher adds nothing. When the issue came up, the solution wasn't just to change publisher= to work= but to add the actual publisher as well. So someone thought it was useful to them. As such, I am not sure what benefit is derived from removing that information. Rlendog (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

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