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  1. WP:ALBUM/SOURCE states "News items should not be used for BLP statements". See WP:BLP
  2. The "article" is almost entirely a statement by Mustaine, about himself and others (as would be Mustaine's autobiography). See WP:BLPPRIMARY.

I can guarantee the source will not survive a source check. You might want to go through the rest of the sources to make sure there aren't any more like these. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Remove it if you will. I agree that it somehow ruins the neutrality of the article, but that is the case. As I said at the nomination page, you can't expect Ellefson to confirm these allegations.--Retrohead (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Nor should we expect him to, but that's beside the point. If the only source we have is Mustaine's own statement, then we can't use it—this is policy. Just stick to something like "...but Mustaine and Ellefson did not come to an agreement". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: A quick favour if you willEdit

Hello Retrohead. I will surely help you out,seeing you have an FAC going on. I am confused as to which parts of the song I should upload. I will do it today. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 09:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Update: Okay I have uploaded the files, choosing parts I thought were apt. Here are the two links to the files (Holy Wars and Symphony of Destruction). These audios had already been uploaded and I have uploaded newer versions. If you have played them recently you will have to reset your cache or just open them in incognito and then play. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 14:54, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes. I had thought of that. Unfortunately, these files had already been uploaded. So all I could do was to upload newer versions. You can approach a user with file moving rights and tell them to do so. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Ohhh. Good thing I still have the ogg files on my computer, I'll upload them under new names. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
I assume these samples are going to be used in the main Megadeth article? I need to know which article these samples will be attached to since the upload form requires this. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 15:31, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
WonderBoy1998, "Symphony" will be used in the band's and song article, while "Holy Wars" only in the song.--Retrohead (talk) 15:37, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay I have uploaded the two files. You can go edit the descriptions if you like. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
For "Symphony", you will have to provide two different rationales for the two different articles it is attached to. Better to do this before someone points that out at the FA nomination.--WonderBoy1998 (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, that was one of my oldest and first Shakira GA articles. I will comment on the FAC ASAP. I know how annoying it is when no one comments on an FA nomination. One of my own failed due to lack of consensus (only two comments- one support one oppose). --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Striking commentsEdit

Generally you're not supposed to alter other editors' comments, which includes striking them. Usually, a stuck comment indicates the orginal commenter believes the comment has been dealt with to their satisfaction. Just note that you've dealt with it, and leave the striking to the commenter (if they feel like it). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: FAC commentsEdit

Not going to be able to take a look at it, unfortunately. Wizardman 23:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Retrohead. Thank you for asking me to be involved with the FA. I'm really busy right now, but maybe you could ask User: Drmies. Hope all goes well! Radiopathy •talk• 16:17, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I think you got the wrong editor here. My name isn't Glen, nor have I helped with that article! If, however, you just got my name wrong (no hard feelings), I might be able to look over it in a bit, but I don't have a ton of free time at the moment, so you might jump to another editor.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 16:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Like I said, I don't have a ton of free time at the moment, so you might want to jump to another editor. If you give me a few more weeks, I might be able to help at, but now isn't the best time.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 18:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth "Icon" compilationEdit

Hey Retro, I noticed earlier this year that they released another compilation as part of the "Icon" series. Now while I believe that the album itself is in no way deserving of an article (little to no mention of it on blabbermouth, loudwire, etc). Since I know you're still working on the FA stuff for the main Megadeth article, I want your opinion on whether you think you think it would be worthwhile/important to insert mention there, or even into the discography page or the navigation box for that matter? I'm leaning in favor of that, but I'm curious as to what you think.

Megadeth Icon Series Compilation Due This Month (Feb 14, 2014)

--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll consider it mandatory for the discography page, since it's an official Megadeth release, and even online music retailers (Amazon, iTunes) sell it. As for the main article, it might be too detail-y, but I'll leave that decision to you. Thanks for letting me know.--Retrohead (talk) 21:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I'll add it in the discography then. As for the main article, I think just a brief one-sentence mention would be fine.I'll probably put it in, but if you feel differently then, feel free to revert.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

SFSGSW songsEdit

Hey I'm gonna redirect the articles for "Liar" and "Hook in Mouth" back to SFSGSW. They just aren't that important, and "Liar" has questionable sources/info in it.

I'm also considering redirecting "The Scorpion" to the TSHF article. I actually started that one, but in hindsight, it's just not important enough compared to other songs. I want to scan that one for information to put in TSHF first, though.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:31, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey pal, it's nice hearing from you. I was thinking about making "The Scorpion" a redirect too, but left it because I saw that you created that article. Listen, if you're not in a hurry, can you do a source check for the FAC on Megadeth? I've asked so many people to comment there, but so far, I've managed to get input from three editors (out of 23).--Retrohead (talk) 18:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
What all do you need done? I haven't been following the FA process very closely, so I'm not sure what needs to be done. Do you just need the sources checked for particular passages, or is this a source format thing?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
It's commenting at the FAC. I need an editor who can check whether the references used there are reliable and stuff (in similar fashion to Nikkimaria's report on the non-free media used).--Retrohead (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try to get to that sometime tonight. By the way, I actually ended up doing a fairly good amount of housecleaing, article-wise. Redirected a bout 4 or 5 songs, and "Still Alive... and Well?" and "Rusted Pieces".--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I've started. I havent done any FA commentary before, and I expect examining that to take a while, but I started the process.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:41, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I've gone through the first 150 citations, I'm gonna wait for some third party comment though before continuing. The only absolutely bad one I see is cite #147 - Blogcritics. That one should be replaced without question. The rest I mentioned I think are either okay, or should be discussed.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Good news L1A1 FAL, you are definitely allowed to review the article, except for voting on the promotion. I've raised the issue here, and got reply that as long as it's noted that you were involved in editing the article prior to the nomination, everything is fine. I'll wait for Miniapolis to finish the copy-editing, and will start working right after that. In the mean time, you can do the rest of the references, while I try to find additional input on that topic.--Retrohead (talk) 08:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok, then. I'll keep up with my work then. That's certainly understandable that I would not be able to vote, and I do believe that should be for completely uninvolved editors.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:17, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth copyeditsEdit

  • Miniapolis changed "a New York-based independent label that offered him the highest budget for recording an album and starting a promotional tour" to "a New York-based independent label offering Megadeth the highest recording and touring budget". Does the source say whether they were given one budget or two? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Was Megadeth the only (or the first) opening band on the 1987 Constrictor tour? If they joined partway through, then your "added" would be more appropriate. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry; I've gotten as far as 2007–08: United Abominations, but CT's wholesale reversions of my edits have made it impossible to continue; too bad, because I was hoping to finish the copyedit tomorrow and gave it my best shot. Good luck with the FAC (which looks closely at prose quality and article stability) and all the best, Miniapolis 00:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, Retrohead. I tried to be tactful, I tried to give a rationale for each thing I reverted, and I even informed Miniapolis of what I was doing, but I understand that having one's edits reverted can hurt the pride. Too many of the edits changed the sense of the prose, and too many others adversely affected readability—I really had no ethical choice but to do something about it. I'll never understand why so much prose had to be shoved into parentheses, or why Miniapolis had to remove serial commas—and not even consistently. What a mess! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
No worries, I understand. He tried to help, but when you're not familiar with the subject, you might unintentionally do some mistakes. I was also wondering about the overuse of the brackets, but it seems that everyone has his own writing style.--Retrohead (talk) 07:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Do you have answers for the two questions above? I don't know if I should revert them or not. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:51, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth was the only band supporting Alice Cooper. As for the first point, the band was supposed to record and tour with those 8,000 dollars by Combat→one budget.--Retrohead (talk) 07:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:03, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth FAC Reply (L1A1)Edit

Yeah, that's fine, but I'm also hoping another one of the editors more knowledgeable than myself at the FAC discussion will look over some of the stuff I brought up, cause there are a number that I am unsure of. For example, I want a second opinion on use of the source, and a few others. But when they're addressed, yeah, feel free to cross them out--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

User:MrMoustacheMM addressed some of the concerns I had with some sources I pointed out, so I dropped my own concerns about them, too--L1A1 FAL (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


Hey Retro, I was actually considering eliminating Breadline. However, I was actually thinking of moving the tracklisting to the Risk page, kind of like what was done with the various minor EPs on Cryptic Writings, and the live EP that went with Countdown to Extinction.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


Hello Retrohead, I've left my last comments on Megadeth's FAC and am almost ready to support it for promotion. I have my own FAC started up here, in which you are welcome to comment. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 21:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Snuggums, thanks for the invitation. I'm planning to comment there right after the Megadeth candidature is closed, which should be in a week or two. Good luck with yours.--Retrohead (talk) 23:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


Hey Retro, I suddenly have a lot more time available, so I decided I'm gonna take a shot at getting Thirteen (Megadeth album) to FA status. I'm not sure how to do the process though, and was hoping you could help me get it started. Additionally, do you know anyone that could do the GA review for Rust in Peace? its been sitting there for almost 4 months. Thanks--L1A1 FAL (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi L1A1 FAL. About the FA candidature on Thirteen, why don't you ask for help at Wikipedia:GOCE/REQ? It would take at least a month before the article gets copyedited, but the guys there are doing an awesome job on the prose. As for Rust in Peace, I'll ask CrowzRSA to see if he is available to conduct the review. I've recently got Peace Sells accepted for a GAR, but I've got a few notes I need help with. Can you re-word the two sentences about "Devils Island" in the songs' section? I will address the remaining issues myself later this week. Have a good one!--Retrohead (talk) 08:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the info. I've never done an FA, but I do want to get Thirteen to FA, since I've been working on it from the very beginning. Thanks for talking to Crowz, also. I'll take a look over PS in a little bit here. Take care and thanks again--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Take a look at the Devil's Island thing now. I tweaked it a bit and added a couple links. I'll probably to a quick proofread of the article, too. Never hurts to have another set of eyes check it over--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Also, if you get a moment, could you take a look at Blind Rage (album) and compare it with the criteria for Start-class? Thanks.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:55, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Assessed the album according to the criteria. As for Thirteen, I might do a few corrections myself this months, but I think the topic is pretty well researched. Also found this, if you need additional details about the album.--Retrohead (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
P.S. Click on the red link to initiate the nomination.--Retrohead (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


Hey Retro, I saw that that you talked to a few editors the other day. I appreciate that. (As of yesterday) the one made quite clear that he/she was not very enthusiastic about metal, Megadeth or Thirteen, but left some notes nonetheless. I have yet to check it today, but I'm sure some of the other editors you talked to will leave helpful commentary and suggestions too.

As for Hidden Treasures, I'm still kinda thinking what I want to do with it. It's a smaller article and it'll likely stay that way. I know Crowz has made some of the smaller Slayer articles GA-level, so I figured I'd get his opinion. As an aside, Doesn't look like anyone took on RIP yet, but Crowz said if nobody got to it by the 9th that he'd take a look, so I'll wait and see. Thanks again!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 13:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Retro, keep an eye out for IP (and probably similar ones in the future, as I have submitted a block request for this one). He/she is genre warring and blanking on a large number of metal album and band pages.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth FACEdit

  • Congratulations- this just became FA :D! Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:14, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • You finally got Megadeth promoted! I assume it's the first of many? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Congratulations on getting Megadeth to FA status!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:01, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Desolate NorthEdit

Are you looking for a fight? I have fixed everything you've asked for. Numerous editors have said that the article should be kept. You should not be the one closing the discussion. J Milburn (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

And you acknowledged that you should not be the one closing the discussion here. I am sick of dealing with this nonsense- if you feel that the discussion should be closed, ask someone at Wikipedia talk:Good article reassessment. J Milburn (talk) 12:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I don't think this episode has shown either of us at its best; I hope this won't tarnish future encounters between us. I've no doubt that we'll bump into each other again, and hopefully we'll be able to get along then. J Milburn (talk) 20:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Agree. Never doubted your good will.--Retrohead (talk) 22:56, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

GOCE request returned to listEdit

Hi Retrohead; RGloucester has returned the article Waverley Line, which you copy-edited, to the Requests page; see this diff; consequently I've unarchived it. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I've raised a discussion at his talk. I think he objects removing some POV clauses, which any other copyeditor would do.--Retrohead (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Megadeth ;)Edit

Hello/Olá Retrohead. Yes!! I would love to work in the Megadeth article in the portuguese Wikipedia. But right now i'm working in a variety of articles ... but I will work again on Megadeth... it's the second article of Megadeth that I worked on (first was Youthanasia). never tought of improve the article of the band himself. Maybe after the works i'm doing now. Congrats for your work!! PS.: sorry about my english, a little rough on the edges... Cheers.--Edviges (talk) 14:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


  The Music Barnstar
For your recent FA on Megadeth L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


Hey, I know you talked to a few other editors about doing the GA on Rust. Do you know if any of them might still be interested? CrowzRSA started the page 5 days ago, but he hasn't logged a single edit since then. I assume that he's just busy with everyday life, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I'm going to give him another day or so to see if he comes back to it, and if he doesn't, I need someone else to take it over then. Thanks--L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey L1A1 FAL, thanks for the badass award. I'm not sure if Binksternet is still willing to take the spot, but I can make some comments there to keep things going while CrowzRSA returns.--Retrohead (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
He hasn't even started it! I mean he opened the page, but there is no evidence of him having done anything else yet. Like I said though, I want to give him a couple more days to see if he does anything. If not, then maybe it'll be time to talk to Bink. By the way, I am considering doing the GA for Worship Music. I haven't made significant edits to that article since 2012, so I don't see a conflict of interest being an issue. I haven't done a GA before though, so that's what's keeping me from jumping right in--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
You are right, Crowz hasn't been active at all since he opened the review. I'm thinking to post a note at WT:GAN if he doesn't make an edit in the next couple of days. As for Worship Music, I remember I nominated it last year, but eventually abandoned the nomination due to lack of reviewers. I'll be glad if you can take the article. It became common these days to wait up to four months for a GAR.--Retrohead (talk) 21:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Worship music, one thing I was thinking about doing was finding a more experienced reviewer to oversee my efforts, but I might just do it myself too. Still undecided. From looking over the article quick though (and 3 or 4 minor prose tweaks) the prose looks good. I would need to check the sources (I did find that cite 8 ( doesn't go to Ian's column anymore). Also, under the paragraph for the special edition and related EP, it's mentioned "though it had been released three days earlier in North America." It is unclear what "it" refers to (the special edition of the album or the EP) and it should have a cite, too--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
You know of anyone else besides Bink for the review?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 05:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I've also asked Cambalachero for the position, but he said he doesn't do GA reviews. I'm sure if we ask Snuggums he'll take the spot. Can't guarantee about others I know here.--Retrohead (talk) 06:41, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm gonna send him a message then, I think. I'll see if he's interested in commenting on thirteen, also. Thanks for the suggestion.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Worship MusicEdit

Hey Retro, I started the review page for Worship Music. Gonna try to start the actual review a little later today. As I said before, I haven't reviewed an article before, so if I get caught up on something, I might ask another editor for help. So far as fixing any issues that may be present in the article, you and I seem to work well together, so I think the process will go smoothly.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting the review L1A1 FAL. About the question regarding the EP and the album's deluxe edition, I think that "it" refers to the Anthems EP. If you check the link, you'll see it was released three days earlier in North America. I'll be glad if you can tweak it to read more comprehensive. I'll check the references as you suggested to see which links need to be corrected. Cheers!--Retrohead (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
I already took care of the EP thing. added a new ref from blabbermouth and shuffled a couple of other refs back a bit.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:42, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Update I believe that the article is pretty much there. Aside from any small typos here or there, the only thing I'm waiting on is the image issue. Everything else seems to be up to par to me.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:57, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Update 16 August I am just waiting on a second opinion for the copyright status of the band image. I believe that is the last thing to do for the GA then, so after that's done, I'm gonna take one last look over the article to see if I missed anything.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:16, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Re: TSHFEdit

Yeah, I'll take a look at that quote soon. Been a while since I've really looked over that article actually (since I did the GA, probably). As for the Good Topic idea, my friend, we think alike. I had noticed Crowz did that with Slayer, and I was thinking that would be something to do after RIP and Hidden treasures were up to par.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thirteen FACEdit

Hey, my FAC for Thirteen got archived by User:GrahamColm, and I don't know what that means, but I assume it means it didn't pass. I left a message on his talk page to dispute the closure. If I have to re-nominate the article, would you help me with getting people to take a look at it? Thanks--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey L1A1 FAL, FA coordinators use "archived" as a synonym for failed nomination. They usually archive older candidates if there is no clear support after certain period of time (our case), or if the nominee lacks reviewers. I've actually contacted all of the editors who commented at the FAC, but they haven't clearly stated whether they support or oppose the nomination, which was the main factor why the article wasn't promoted. WikiProject Metal isn't active as it used to be, so achieving an FA string like the Slayer albums is a damn hard thing to do.--Retrohead (talk) 08:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I've noticed that there's near zero activity there anymore. And when it comes to GA and FA reviews, everyone skips over the metal articles. I might start bugging other editors who skip over to more recent GA nominations, or just directly contact editors who review FAs for other topics.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:01, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
If you want to get assured feedback, look at editors who are active at the FAC, or who already have brought articles to this status→WP:FA2014.--Retrohead (talk) 18:17, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Regarding your suggestion on the other user's page, I was considering that, if I absolutely had to, and I might go that route. My only concern is that I had a PR open for Endgame, but I don't know it it is still active, or was closed or what. Regarding that guy on the other page though, after you commented, he had the nerve to act as though it was what he would have said himself (and don't misunderstand me, I do very much appreciate your help and opinions) when I know for a fact that he wasn't gonna do a damn thing.
In any case, to get back to the subject at hand, thanks again for the suggestion about the PR. I think I'm gonna let things kinda cool down for a few days regarding the article, but I'll be in touch when I start a PR. In the meantime, I think The Formation of Damnation could use some attention, so maybe I'll work on that a bit. Take care--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey L1, the peer review on Endgame was closed a week ago by the PR bot. About the FAC process, as you known, it is supervised by two people and our hands are pretty tied if we're complaining about their work. I'll take a look at the Testament album these days to see if I can help a bit there. Everything the best and see you.--Retrohead (talk) 10:22, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Ok, then maybe I'll open one for Thirteen later this week then. Yeah, I know we really don't have any options, which sucks. I'm starting to get more fed up with the politics here though. Frankly, if it wasn't for the fact that I want a WP:FOUR for Thirteen, I'd walk away for a while and work on some different stuff, if not take a break from the site (I'm getting busier again anyway). And there is very much a bias against metal-related stuff. not so much an active rejection of them, but aside from a handful of us who make productive contributions, nobody edits the articles except the fanboys and genre trolls.
As for Testament, thanks for the work on Formation of Damnation. Heck, I didn't even notice the reviews thing was right below the infobox. The thing that caught my eye first was the excessive use of large quotes and the credits. By the way, congrats on getting Megadeth on the main page! Take care!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
On top of everything from the other week, it turns out that I cant even do a PR on Thirteen because the review is archived but not closed!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I see Designate manually closed the FAC.--Retrohead (talk) 22:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014: Regarding article WikipediaEdit

Hi. User:FelixRosch advised me to let you know about this discussion: Talk:Wikipedia#Blatant_deletion_of_important.2C_relevant_and_reference-backed_content_.28without_any_discussion.29_by_User:Chealer.. (Diff, in case previous link does not work.} Regards, --EngineeringGuy (talk) 19:11, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


Retro style
Thank you, user alluding to Retro style, for quality articles such as Megadeth, performed in collaboration, for precision, discussion, following mediation and archiving of ...And Justice for All, for defining yourself by contributions alone, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Hey, I just noticed this was on the Main Page. Congrats! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:01, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Must be nice having Megadeth on front page today, kudos again for all you put into it :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:01, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks guys, I appreciate that. Ping me when you nominate KP for the main page appearance Snuggums, so I can voice my support for that one.--Retrohead (talk) 09:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Almost forgot to give you this Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Kill 'Em All and speed metalEdit

Whilst I agree about not having speed metal as a genre for Kill 'Em All, the AllMusic review does list it as such. How do we then justify not including it? This happens on a lot of album articles, whereby an editor will pick out one of the many genres listed on an AllMusic review and demand that it stays, on the basis that WP considers it 'gospel' as a source. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Mac Dreamstate. According to WP:ALBUM/SOURCES, the Allmusic sidebar shouldn't be used in determining the album's genre. Unless the prose contains a mention of 'speed metal' (which I haven't noticed by one read), we don't have to include it.--Retrohead (talk) 14:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


Congratulations on the FA for Megadeath! Radiopathy •talk• 03:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up on your Wikipedia page visitEdit

Hi Retrohead; Your post on Talk:Wikipedia to an editor there not responding on Talk, and your request for that editor to abide by rules and policies appears to be being ignored. Also, the same editor appears to be re-posting his bold edit of deleting graphs without any support at all on the Talk page. My own feeling (as I told the author of the graphs being deleted) is that the graphs look useful and constructive to the page. The editor making the deletions there seems to be ignoring everyone other than admin and maybe your restoring the material with some minor quote of policy guidelines might help. Since you had previously already pinged the editor in question not to ignore Talk page discussion, I was just checking to see if you had noticed this. FelixRosch (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm following. Which editor is deleting material from which article?--Retrohead (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Retrohead; This was your notification to that editor for not following Wikipedia Talk and editing guidelines on Talk:Wikipedia [1], and, this is the diff for the editor ignoring your request and trying to force the deletion of the graphs without consensus [2]. I have verified the content of the graphs and they look useful and well-constructed. My request is if you could restore the graphs being deleted and if you could leave some sort of message to that editor for Wikipedia policy about the deletion of the graphs without first obtaining consensus since that editor seems unresponsive to anyone but admin. FelixRosch (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey FelixRosch, thanks for letting me know this. The thing is, I am not an administrator, so if you wish to report that user, WP:ANI might be the venue. By the way, the list of administrators is here. I'm not available to directly revert him because there were some edits afterwards. Hope I've helped you somehow.--Retrohead (talk) 17:43, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Retrohead; Message received, and I had left the note above when I saw that you placed the actual delist for the article. At this point, it would be nice if you could leave a drop in comment at Talk:Wikipedia regarding either the graphs themselves or on whether they can be deleted without consensus. EngineeringGuy seems to have put in alot of effort creating them. FelixRosch (talk) 18:24, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

A thank youEdit

Just wanted to thank you for trying to get Ones to GA status when I wasn't available. Hope you're doing well. Best, jonatalk to me 23:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Half million awardEdit

  The Half Million Award
For your contributions to bring Megadeth (estimated annual readership: 800,000) to Featured Article status, I hereby present you the Half Million Award. Congratulations, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! -- Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

There is a hell GAEdit

No you can't close it I literally was about to make the ammendments. :( Jonjonjohny (talk) 11:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Oops, my apologies Jonjonjohny. Can you make the improvements and start a second nominee, which I promise to review again?--Retrohead (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Sure. Just made one set of amendments, will make the others soon. Jonjonjohny (talk) 14:09, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Right. I'm participating in the GA Cup, and was in a hurry to review as much as I can. Thought you weren't going to be active for some time, and thought I wasn't going to get any feedback.--Retrohead (talk) 14:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Re added it. Will do the prose stuff soon. :) Jonjonjohny (talk) 20:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Did the prose stuff, I hope it's ready. Jonjonjohny (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I'll eventually get to that. I'm little short on time this week, but will add it on my to–do list.--Retrohead (talk) 20:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

...And Justice for All (album)Edit

Congrats getting this to FA! Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:52, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Snuggums, a fair amount of credit goes to your name too.--Retrohead (talk) 22:53, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
No problem :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:57, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Master of Puppets revertEdit

Hi Retrohead, regarding your recent revert of the Artwork section for Master of Puppets, I think there is enough information to justify having it. WP:ALBUMS designates a section for artwork in their recommended MOS. Also, keeping the artwork info in the lead makes the lead look cluttered, and the info is arguably not significant enough to be noted in a lead section. –Spiegalr (talk) 23:06, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you do a better research? Two sentences sourced with one reference are not really something that is considered good research for an album of that importance. Regarding the artwork's significance to the lead, it should be represented with at least one sentence describing what the cover depicts.--Retrohead (talk) 07:08, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Unsure of how to source it further other than a physical copy of the liner notes. The info is definitely of significance to the article, just not enough that it should be in the lead. I'll reiterate that having it there looks worse than having a small section dedicated to it. –Spiegalr (talk) 15:43, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
You can do a Google research to see how the band got the idea for that artwork, what it represents, or anything connected to the topic that has encyclopedical value. Info about the cover art is present in the lead at ...And Justice for All, which is featured material and I don't see why the artwork for Puppets is less valuable.--Retrohead (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

The Half Million AwardEdit

  The Half Million Award
I hereby award you The Half Million Award for your quality improvement work bringing Megadeth to WP:FA quality. Congratulations, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! — Cirt (talk) 00:46, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
And I see you got it already. Well, no one had updated the thread at WT:Million Award, so congrats again! :) — Cirt (talk) 00:47, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!Edit

Requests pageEdit

Hi Retrohead; you shouldn't remove copy-edit requests from the page without archiving and/or discussion on the talk page. We only usually remove when the request is completed or when it's been declined. In this case the requester has asked that it remains open. I've therefore restored the request to the page; if you disagree please open a discussion on the Requests page's talk page. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 12:34, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok then, I thought you declined to finish the review. Restored.--Retrohead (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I was reverted by an over-zealous user and decided to abandon the c/e; hopefully someone else will have better luck with it. I'll make that clear on the requests page a bit later. No harm done ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!!!Edit

Wilhelmina Will has given you some caramel and a candy apple! Caramel and candy-coated apples are fun Halloween treats, and promote WikiLove on Halloween. Hopefully these have made your Halloween (and the proceeding days) much sweeter. Happy Halloween!

'"On Psych, A USA Network TV series Episode 8, The Tao of Gus, Season 6, Shawn refers to pumpkins as "Halloween Apples" because he thinks all round fruits are a type of apple.

If Trick-or-treaters come your way, add {{subst:Halloween apples}} to their talkpage with a spoooooky message!

Cheers! "We could read for-EVER; reading round the wiki!" (talk) 18:18, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe something to put in MOP?Edit

Hey Retro, As you've probably noticed, I haven't been very active for the last month or so. Been lurking and keeping an eye on my watchlist, but not much more, I'm just pretty burnt out from the whole Thirteen thing over the last few months.

In any case, I know you've been working on MOP, and I came across on Blabbermouth a few days ago, that as part of the 30th anniversary for the album, the band has commissioned a book. Maybe worth including? Up to you. Anyway, here's the link: [3]

Take care! --L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Hey L1, thanks for coming by. I'm vying to promote MoP to FA before the book is released, but I'll add that when I'm done with the music description. If you're still around, can you help with paraphrasing some of the quotes about "Leper Messiah" in the lyrics section? Thanks a bunch.--Retrohead (talk) 18:36, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind that request, I already fixed it. I was wondering if you have some spare time to do a source review at the FAC?--Retrohead (talk) 22:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

FAR commentaryEdit

Since I've seen you around participating in FAR's, figured you might be interested in leaving commentary here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Could you comment on a discussion?Edit

Hello, Retrohead. I've found myself at an impasse on a discussion over whether the band Amon Amarth should be labeled as Viking metal. I don't know if you listen to this kind of metal at all, but an outside comment would be greatly appreciated. Discussion can be found here.--¿3family6 contribs 16:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Commented. I'm not much into the band, so I can not go beyond a single album review I've read about them.--Retrohead (talk) 22:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I just wanted to get some outside opinion, even if it's brief.--¿3family6 contribs 04:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Falcon's FuryEdit

Hey Retrohead, would you mind leaving a note on the Falcon's Fury FAC page like you did in the first review? The first review was closed due to a lack of responses/feedback. Thanks!--Dom497 (talk) 01:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look at the weekend.--Retrohead (talk) 09:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Master of PuppetsEdit

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


Немав поима дека си го променил името хехе. Баш се зачудев кога видов дека си ти. Фала ти за коментарите на FAC-от, мислам дека се е ок. Добра позадина и Поздрав ! ;) — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Фала за пораката другар! Позадината ја „украдов“ од тебе, а статијата е на добар пат да го помине FAC-от. Ќе додадам уште некој коментар, но очекувај поддршка од мене. Позз.--Retrohead (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Ги поправив сите линкови на статијата. Кога имаш време провери ја номинацијата уште еднаш. Се најдобро! =) — Tomíca(T2ME) 13:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Master of Puppets draftEdit

Hey, I don't know if this shows up on your watchlist, but I hope you can take a look at Talk:Master of Puppets/draft‎‎. There's really a lot of good material out there that's appropriate for hte article. I didn't add this stuff to the main article directly because (a) I didn't see how to handle page numbers in references using the reffing style you have there, and (b) I didn't want to force some of the re-arrangement style on the article without talking to you first. The draft is a mess right now, but I'm hoping you'll look at it and see what I mean about what can be done with the article. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:56, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Hey Turkey, thanks for all the help so far. I'll take a closer look this weekend, as college obligations kept me away for a few days. I'll incorporate the stuff you found, and hopefully we'll get some notes resolved at the FAC. Thanks again and see you soon.--Retrohead (talk) 18:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Re: Song redirectsEdit

Hey, I redirected "Breadline". I reluctantly (since I originally created it) did the other one too (I agree it needed to go though). I also propose redirecting "Crush 'Em", "Headcrusher", "The Right to Go Insane" and "Public Enemy No. 1". Your opinion?

Also, is Blabbermouth no longer an RS? I know there was a talk and debate about it a while back, but I thought it was determined to be OK. Has that changed?

Sorry I'm not very active anymore, by the way. Between the failed FA for Thirteen and a new job, I just have little energy or desire to edit lately. I still intend to at least pop in every now and then. I don't know if I'll make a more stable return though. --L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Blabbermouth is still a RS, but I believe that Metal Hammer is a better choice for a featured article because it is a printed magazine specialized for heavy metal music. I think it's better to leave the other redirects for later, because it will be a big overhaul for the project. I'm not very active lately because if college obligations, but I'm still willing to score a few more FAs. Great to hear you've found a job, and hope you won't be retiring permanently.--Retrohead (talk) 13:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Metallica (album)Edit

Hi Retrohead, regarding your copy-edit request at the GOCE for the above article, I think it's inappropriate to paraphrase boxed quotations, per WP:MOSQUOTE, which says, "Quotations must be verifiably attributed, and the wording of the quoted text should be faithfully reproduced". We can gloss and elide where appropriate, but paraphrasing direct quotations and leaving them looking as though they are still direct quotations, is inappropriate. You reverted a recent attempt at completing this request recently here. Do you still want the article copy-edited, or should the request be removed? Please advise. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

What I reverted was unintentional falsifying of the bandmembers statements. My request was to paraphrase the quotes because they are not amusing or something of great importance to the article. The request should stay. If someone has the will to do it, I'll be very thankful.--Retrohead (talk) 22:55, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) If the quotes aren't of great importance to the article, they should probably be incorporated into the text rather than boxed. All the best, Miniapolis 01:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Retrohead, I agree with Miniapolis; if the boxed quotations aren't important, either remove them entirely or merge them into text. The boxed quotations have been paraphrased in the current version, per your request, as of my timestamp, so I assume the request can be marked done. I'll archive later on Sunday. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I think you've misunderstood me here. I requested a regular c/e, and eventual paraphrasing the statements if possible. I'll modify the instructions on the project page right away.--Retrohead (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I see; thanks. I'll remove the on hold tag. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Master of Puppets and page referencesEdit

Hey, whenever you happen to find the time to come back to Master of Puppets, I really think you should first work out your referencing style before adding more stuff in—you really need to decide on a style that allows page references, as citing to entire books hundreds of pages long is really a habit you should get out of. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the suggestion, I'll work that out when I'm done with the content. I'll contact you before the second nomination, to make sure I got everything covered. See you!--Retrohead (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, great, but I think you'll save yourself a lot of headaches if you figure out how to deal with page references first. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 04:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Fear FactoryEdit

The article has a distinct lack of references; I've marked where they're needed with {{citation needed}} tags. I removed one quotation box that was unreferenced and converted the other to a {{quotebox}}. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth editEdit

Hello, I noticed that you changed the word "mischaracterized" back to "misrepresented" in the following sentence:

"Mustaine expressed his anger in the movie Some Kind of Monster, in a scene he later disapproved of as he felt he was mischaracterized, and that it did not represent the full extent of what happened during the meeting."

Please, do you have a good reason for reverting my edit? Don't both words convey the same meaning? I know it's a featured article, but I have improved many featured articles in a similar manner. The reason for my edit was that "misrepresented" and "represent" should not be in the same sentence, as both words stem from the same verb. Thanks in advance. Dontreader (talk) 01:47, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

My apologies, I've unintentionally undid that edit when I reverted the removal of the members timeline. I simply brought the article in the state of the last time I edited, assuming that all edits afterward were some unreasonable color changes and etc. Feel free to do the edit again and excuse my lack of time to go through all the diffs.--Retrohead (talk) 17:47, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks for your message, which I'm sorry I did not see sooner. Actually, I should have noticed what you explained. I checked too quickly. I'll switch back to "mischaracterized" in a moment. Many thanks again, and have a nice day. Dontreader (talk) 22:54, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Yuletide greetingsEdit

Merry Christmas!
I ran out of lumps of coal, so I'm distributing leftover children. Happy holidays! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:34, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated! Orthodox Christians are celebrating Christmas on January 7th, so expect a postcard from me soon.--Retrohead (talk) 13:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Retrohead!Edit

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