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Pray tell, what do you consider to be a WP:RS???

You removed an article (Luiza Savage) from the former Category: Harvard alumni and Category: Yale alumni due to lack of reliable sources, despite the fact that I ref'd the most widely circulated news magazine in Canada. Being a socialist means I don't put much faith in old-guard media, but I'd have thought the Canadian equivalent of Newsweek would suffice for Wikipedia purposes! All of this is moot now though, as your edit is now buried beneath several others, thus precluding a simple reversion.

Incorrect edits and deletions by bots will tend to discourage new, inexperienced and/or otherwise less-engaged Wikipedians like myself from contributing. This being the case, perhaps you would consider a 30 day buffer period before bot-editing articles. The worst part of this is that the target of your deletion was utterly uncontroversial, and didn't violate WP:BLP in letter or spirit. Frustrating!

One last thing: The only people on Earth with access to the Harvard alumni list (the lone source that's MORE reliable) are...Harvard alumni! I don't count myself among their number. If you do, feel free to provide refs! HuntClubJoe (talk) 19:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

A couple of points, in no particular order. Your reference to "incorrect edits and deletions by bots" is in error; this edit was not made by a bot, it was made by me. Your statement that I removed the categories "despite the fact that [you] ref'd the most widely circulated news magazine in Canada" is also in error; at the time I edited the article (and now, as far as I can tell), there was no citation to anything published by Maclean's describing Ms. Savage as either a Harvard or a Yale alum, much less both. Also, I wouldn't assume that WP:BLP is irrelevant; there might be some people somewhere in the World who would be offended by being associated with one of these institutions. I do consider Maclean's a reliable source, and if they have actually published something about this person's educational background, that would satisfy me. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi. Would you care to comment at this RfC for the article Artpop? It originally started as a proposal to remove an unverifiable statement decided upon by editors in a previous consensus but has moved to a similar proposal titled "Agyle's proposal". If not, feel free to ignore message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


I am thankful to you for your worthy suggestion that a new section of other places may be added for making it clear for the visitors that similarly other places of same name exist with different geographical features. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajsector3 (talkcontribs) 14:12, 6 April 2014 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot to sign, here it is with thanks.--Rajsector3 (talk) 14:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

God's Not Dead (film)

This diff shows what appears to be an incorrect edit made by RussBot. I've reverted it, and I just wanted to make sure it's pointed out. :) MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 21:25, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not an incorrect edit. Well, at least the error was not the bot's fault; the hatnote made no sense before the edit, and it made just as much sense after it. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
When the hatnote was made, the page God's Not Dead linked to the album, and there was no disambiguation page. The move occurred afterwords. Thanks for correcting it, though. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 22:14, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Article - List of mayors of Glen Eira

Hello, I noticed that you made an edit to the List of mayors of Glen Eira article on 9 April 2014, changing David Feldman to David Feldman (politician). I'm just wondering if an article about David Feldman (politician) is 'in the works' or if a change is needed to remove the red-ink link. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 22:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea whether anyone plans to write an article about this mayor. If he is likely to meet the Wikipedia notability standard, then the link ought to be left in place, as suggested at WP:Red link. If not, there's no need for it. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Did you know...

...that "fixing" redirecting Wikilinks that are working properly is not recommended? See WP:NOTBROKEN:

There is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. While there are a limited number of cases where this is beneficial, there is otherwise no good reason to pipe links solely to avoid redirects. Doing so is generally an unhelpful, time-wasting exercise that can actually be detrimental. It is almost never helpful to replace redirect with redirect.

Thanks, BMK (talk) 21:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for telling me what I already know. It might have been a more useful message if you had indicated why you were sending it. Or do you just post summaries of random Wikipedia policies on random people's talk pages? I am familiar with it. Why do you ask? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry!

Sorry about that. I'm going off the category list, which lists 'Category:Disambiguation pages'. Ok, I'll use the suggested template when I see that type of page. Lesson learned! Alvin Seville (talk) 23:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

So, what do I do if...

RussBot ambiguates a link that was intentional and correct? Cheers. —ATinySliver/ATalkPage 19:31, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't know what you mean by "ambiguates a link." The link points to exactly the same page after the edit as it did before (and appears exactly the same way to readers). You might find your question answered by WP:D#HOWTODAB. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
After the change, when one hovers, it reads "Santa Rosa Mall (disambiguation) ... Redirects to Santa Rosa Mall". This is a "For other malls with a similar name" link, and the change doesn't make sense on its face. :) —ATinySliver/ATalkPage 19:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Again, please see WP:D#HOWTODAB. It addresses this specific situation very clearly. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Seems odd, but okay. Cheers. :) —ATinySliver/ATalkPage 19:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry

Hi R'n'B, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

May 2014 disambig contest: let's do it again!

Greetings fellow disambiguator! Remember back in February when we made history by clearing the board for the first time ever, for the monthly disambiguation contest? Let's do it again in May! I personally will be aiming to lead the board next month, but for anyone who thinks they can put in a better effort, I will give a $10 Amazon gift card to any editor who scores more disambiguation points in May. Also, I will be setting up a one-day contest later in the month, and will try to set up more prizes and other ways to make this a fun and productive month. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

By the way, we used to have tools for finding article with the most bonus links and disambiguation pages with dab-to-dab bonus links, but these have stopped working. Any idea how I can get these reignited? bd2412 T 21:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Great! bd2412 T 23:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Bukwo & Bukwo District

Hi R'n'B, you have helped me before and I request your help again. I would like to move Bukwa to Bukwo. Also to move Bukwa District to Bukwo District. After extensive research, the official names are "Bukwo" and "Bukwo District". After you have made the moves, I will go back and re-edit the articles, to remove the Bukwa name. Thank you. Fsmatovu (talk) 21:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

It looks like someone else beat me to it. :-) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:56, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Joseph3333

Hello R'n'B. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Joseph3333, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: WP:C1 does not apply to category redirects. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:59, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Pussycat (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Pussycat (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the Pussycat (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Cnilep (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Deleted sandbox

My sandbox has been deleted. How can it be put back so that I can make changes to it? Rlanter (talk) 13:47, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

When you click on User:Rlanter/sandbox, you should see something like this:
If you then click on the last link to the "Articles for creation" subpage, you will see something like:
Does that answer your question? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your contributions to wikipedia, and making a great bot. I wanted to know if there is any admin template/category or any other page where all disambigs are restored. OccultZone (Talk) 10:41, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

You might be looking for Category:All article disambiguation pages. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:43, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, so other than the script by Qwert, what else you've used? OccultZone (Talk) 10:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation#Resources lists a variety of useful tools; also the categories and templates used by the project. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! OccultZone (Talk) 14:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

AWB false positives?

Hi, I think AWB might be incorrectly marking categories that are not empty to be deleted. See this edit. Also, what could be happening instead is that someone creates the category, and then takes awhile to populate it, there were a few from last week that I had to revert because they weren't empty, and there was a note on the category's talk page that they were slowly populating the category. You may be too quick for them!! Just wanted to let you know!! Funandtrvl (talk) 01:34, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I can check, but I don't mark a category as empty unless it has been listed on Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories for at least 4 consecutive days. It's much more likely that someone is populating the category after they see it has been marked for deletion (and that doesn't bother me at all, since that's one of the reasons for the additional waiting period between marking and deletion). Or, possibly, the category is being populated by a template and the job queue delayed a template change from trickling down to the transcluding pages. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:03, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for looking into it, I did notice that the job queue was running a little slow for the Template:WPUSA Main_Cat categories, some of the categories took about 3 weeks to populate!! Funandtrvl (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Funandtrvl: Many people prefer to manually edit the articles through AWB, because it opens the page quicker than any browser opens. Sometimes when I made error, other one would ask "have you reported malfunctioning?", yes it is common reaction. If there is any false positive, you can simply notify us on Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. Thanks OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 16:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Category:American Evangelical and Reformed Church members

Hello R'n'B. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:American Evangelical and Reformed Church members, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Under discussion at CfD. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:59, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yet another list request.

This one should be particularly productive, I think. I would like a list of all instances where a page "Foo (bar)" contains a link to disambiguation page "Foo". For example, the page North and South (album) contains a link to the disambiguation page North and South, which should be piped through a redirect per WP:INTDABLINK. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Once I finally got around to it, this turned out to be a very simple (and fast) script to write, thanks to JaGa's excellent database which already has all the needed info in it. Results (surprisingly many) are at User:RussBot/Potentially intentional dablinks/001 et seq. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
That'll do. ;-) bd2412 T 22:07, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Invalid redirect hatnotes again

I'm starting to see this issue creep up again. Can you generate a new list of redirect hatnotes for which the redirect does not exist? Or, better yet, can you create a project-space report and automate replenishment of it? This is obviously a problem that will crop up from time to time, so it would be great to have a regular report, these things being well nigh impossible to hunt down in the wild. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:07, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

User:RussBot/Invalid redirect hatnotes/001 etc. updated. I'll see what I can do about making this a more regular update. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 23:33, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. It's amazing how these keep cropping up. Remind me to take you out to lunch sometime soon. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Bot request now live, at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/RussBot 6. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I have noticed one particularly weird pattern with this new group. There are many entries like:

  1. Buccaneer: Buccaneer is not a redirect to this page

Obviously Buccaneer isn't a redirect to anything, because it is the page itself. There are dozens of these, and I think that they can be fixed by a bot, rather than requiring human attention. bd2412 T 21:28, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

When I get a chance, I'll put together a bot task request. Please leave Buccaneer alone for now, so I can use it as an example. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
I will leave them all alone. Note that there are some that are plainly styled as {{redirect|foo}} (which can be replaced with an {{other uses}}), and some styled {{redirect|foo|for bar|bar}}, which will need a {{for}} template. Cheers again! bd2412 T 02:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: I have separated out all of the examples of this that I could find and moved them to User:RussBot/Invalid redirect hatnotes/006. There are 228 instances on that page. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Someone's been fixing these manually, I guess, because last week there were 231, and today there are only 197. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Wasn't me, but even if someone fixes all of this set, it is an issue that can and should be routinely bot-hammered. Thanks! bd2412 T 17:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I see that the list has been replenished. What's up with the bot task? Cheers! bd2412 T 16:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The bot task is probably dead, because the problem proved to be more complex than I originally anticipated. I'm playing around with the script that generates the list, and once I get some bugs out of it, I will see if I can develop a way to come up with fixes for the self-referential ones. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
If you can generate a list isolating just the recursives, I'll AWB it. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
OK. User:RussBot/Recursive redirect hatnotes/001 et seq. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:48, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
All done. Please rerun the invalid redirect hatnotes when you have a chance, to wash these out (no rush, of course). Cheers! bd2412 T 02:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

List of Romans named Marcus Claudius Marcellus (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of Romans named Marcus Claudius Marcellus (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the List of Romans named Marcus Claudius Marcellus (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. DexDor (talk) 06:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

RussBot partial disambiguation

Hello. I have no idea how RussBot works, but I noticed this edit fixed one link to Spanish while leaving another untouched. It also appears not to have noticed that Portuguese and English have essentially the same problem, but that is less surprising for a bot. Cnilep (talk) 06:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

That's to be expected. The bot can only detect and fix links in very specific (but fairly common) contexts. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@Cnilep: I think Russ has added a number of text replacement in the settings of the bot, so it cannot be expected that every disambig will be fixed. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 11:31, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Right, I would fully expect it to miss 'Portuguese' since it's not the same string as 'Spanish' – you sort of need a human brain to spot the similarity. What surprised me (and it's not a bug report or anything, just an expression of surprise) is that it caught one instance of 'Spanish' but missed another one. I imagine that is because there is some context it is looking for that only one of those instances satisfied. Again, it's not really an issue, just my idle curiosity. Thanks for the responses, Cnilep (talk) 23:12, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Dead links

Heya Russ, I see there's some problems with the message DPL bot puts out. Is Dab Solver dead? Should I take out the link altogether? If so, that really hurts our project - it's a phenomenal tool. --JaGatalk 23:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

  • yes, Dab Solver is dead, and I'm not happy about it either. I may have to write my own. ;-) but in the meantime the links are no good. R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Russ, you can use AWB for now, like BD2412 does. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 02:45, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I couldn't even imagine where to start to try to recreate Dab Solver. Assuming bringing Dispenser back is beyond hope, this seems like the kind of thing WMF should be funding - it's already proven its value to Wikipedia, after all. It seems a bit much to ask a volunteer to build this from scratch. --JaGatalk 16:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Omniverse (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Omniverse (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G6 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either

  • disambiguates two or fewer extant Wikipedia pages and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic); or
  • disambiguates no (zero) extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The herald 13:40, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Speedy deletion nom reverted, per WP:INTDABLINK. Cheers! bd2412 T 15:06, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
    • @The Herald: if you are going to use a template message that features the phrase, "it is an orphaned disambiguation page," you should make sure that the page you are using it on is actually a disambiguation page. :-) R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for quality service to Wikipedia by tirelessly taking care of disambiguation, thus fixing times and moods, saying with precision which America is meant, for those who kow only one, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 05:06, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


Bell Integrator in its most recent version seems plain description, not spam. Please restore it (the firm is not necessarily notable, but that's for afd to determine). I know i could restore it myself, but iI prefer to ask. to ask. DGG ( talk ) 11:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)�..

No problem. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:07, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Russ, check Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bell Integrator. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 12:23, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Double redirect fixer problem

This edit omitted the anchor that State Route 186 (Virginia 1933) redirects to. Xqt's bot had a similar problem that he recently fixed. --NE2 01:57, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

That's odd; I thought I was using the exact same script as Xqt. I'll have to re-check the code. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Yay, fixed. --NE2 20:46, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

use just references

Dear Mr. Bot It is humbly stated that if wikipedia says Bahawalpur(Punjabi, Urdu) then why not Shikarpur( Sindhi, Urdu)? Why is thus discrimination? Sindhi language is far older and richer in texts than Punjabi or any other Indo-Ariyan language? Therefore you are requested correct the mistakes and please avoid discrimination as it hurts. Nematullah Chandio — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. What article are you referring to, and what edit by the bot? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:34, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Royal Lao Government in Exile

Hi, it has been mistyping, the address is Gresham, Oregon, USA. I will therefore undo your last move and thank you for bringing this to my attention AEERLGE (talk) 11:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Maccas Awards/RS lists

In what way is the list of the 100 best Beatles songs not an award compared to the other RS lists mentioned in the article? Smintili (talk) 00:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

If the context is unclear, I refer to reverting the article List of awards received by Paul McCartney. Sorry for forgetting that. Smintili (talk) 00:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
I didn't revert anything on that article, so I have no idea what you are talking about. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Hm? The changlog said so. But maybe I misinterpreted that. Sorry! Smintili (talk) 12:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page

Hello, I would like to add a page about JavaScript UI library Webix ( one more time. I don't remember the reason for its deleting but I assume that there were not enough trust references.

Now Webix has become more popular among Internet users and I will provide more relative references in my article.

Can I try to add the Wiki article one more time?

Kelluvuus (talk) 12:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Kelluvuus

Greetings, Kelluvuus. Have you considered creating an article in Draft: space (e.g. Draft:Webix) and then filing a move request to move it to the namespace once it is in good shape? I have done this several times for previously deleted articles like Buddha Bar. bd2412 T 13:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, BD2412

I'll try to do the way you've described.

Kelluvuus (talk)

Just FYI, the former article was titled Webix JS, and was deleted under the Proposed Deletion process, which means that it may be recreated if it meets the applicable guidelines for new articles. The reason given for deletion was lack of independent sources. Having said all that, I think BD2412's suggestion is an excellent one. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Russ. I'll follow your advice.

Disambiguation links in proposed merge templates.

Is there a way that we can stop counting disambiguation links contained in {{merge to}} and {{merge from}} headers? See, e.g., Bromfield (surname). These aren't exactly disambiguation errors to be fixed, and although we should address them at some point, I think they need to be addressed as merge proposals rather than disambiguation links. Pinging JaGa on this issue also. bd2412 T 13:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Alternately, can you generate a list of merge tags containing disambiguation links, so we can get a scope of the problem? Cheers! bd2412 T 17:09, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Editor's Barnstar
With your countless number of edits and contributions to Wikimedia foundation sister cites u deserve this i think. Doorknob747 22:11, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Demographics of Tibet (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Demographics of Tibet (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the Demographics of Tibet (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. TheChampionMan1234 04:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


A link to a city and state (such as Atlanta, Georgia) is not the same as separate links to the city and the state (such as Atlanta, Georgia)... I reverted two changes you made where I had separate links for city and state... In each, you made only one change while leaving several other similar instances, since that is the format I use for listing the hometowns of members on a team roster... GWFrog (talk) 14:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

No, it's not the same, and it's not intended to be the same. Separate links to city and state may be "the format [you] use", but it's not recommended per WP:SPECIFICLINK. (And a link to "[[Atlanta]], [[Georgia]]" is just plain wrong; have you read the page at Georgia?) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I have fixed those. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Given the prevalence of "Atlanta, Georgia" as a phrase in the real world, reader expectation is that if they see both words are linked, they won't have to click on the left half of the phrase to get to the article they're looking for. --NE2 18:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

CSD question

You nominated a number of cats for deletion, e.g. Category:1885 in Australian cricket but they were not empty. Am I missing something? Sometimes I see this happen when the entry is simultaneously proposed for deletion, but that doesn't seem to be the case.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

The categories were empty when I nominated them, but then they have to remain empty for 4 days before they can be deleted. That is so that if they get populated, as that one did, they can be retained. If you see that has happened, just remove the CSD template. No need to notify me about it. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

RussBot query

Hi R'n'B - any explanation for this and this? The edits it's "correcting" were ones I made after the disambiguation page was moved to Windy City... Grutness...wha? 00:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

please delete my article.

RnB please delete my article entitled: "Notre Dame of Genio Edcor,Inc." Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

  Done, this appeared to be a genuine request for User:Ceandelcru. – Fayenatic London 16:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Moving categories

Hi, I see you moved Category:Iași County geography stubs. Please list such categories at WP:CFDS in future (or WP:CFD if it's not a speedy case). Then, CFD admins will delete the old page, update backlinks, and any other housekeeping that is needed.

If you know this already and were just experimenting with a new facility, don't mind me! Thanks – Fayenatic London 20:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Original Barnstar
Thank you for deleting my article. I appreciate it. Ceandelcru (talk) 05:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ceandelcru: Thank you, but I didn't do anything. User:Fayenatic london deleted the page. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi I'm very interested in joining a animal rights group as I am sick of seeing the way animals are abused by humans but I don't know where to start can you help please thanks Lorna — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Not really, I don't know anything about that topic. Have you tried the Wikipedia:Reference desk? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:Spoken word albums by genre

Please note your speedy request was contested as the category contains a sub category. Please feel free to nominate at WP:CFD. — xaosflux Talk 15:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

If a category that was empty when nominated is no longer empty, there's no need to notify me. That's the whole reason for the four-day waiting period between nomination and deletion. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Re-run User:RussBot/Potentially intentional dablinks/001 et seq.?

I went through a few pages with AWB and knocked out a scattered hundred or so. I also saw many that have already been fixed otherwise. Can you re-run to knock those off the list, and pick up more recent additions? Cheers! bd2412 T 18:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)   Done

Nice. bd2412 T 22:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
User:RussBot/Invalid redirect hatnotes/001 and the rest are done. Apparently, some other editors discussing the matter at Module talk:Redirect hatnote have put together a category to capture these, which I hope will catch them from now on. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Gib (Disambiguation)

Somehow your bot has redirected Gib (disambiguation) {{Disambiguation}} which I edited (and now can not find) to include info from Gib {{disambiguation}} to Gib, which I made a topic page - please can you fix this by recovering my edited page (and maybe delay your bot for 1 hour after last edit?) Timpo (talk) 12:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

@Timpo: I don't know what you are talking about. The last time my bot edited Gib (disambiguation) was in 2010, and it has never edited Gib (although I manually edited that page back in September 2010). It looks to me like Gib was a disambiguation page until yesterday (1 Sept 2014), when you edited it. You improperly copied and pasted content from Gib to Gib (disambiguation), and then rewrote the former page as an (unreferenced) article. What does my bot have to do with any of this? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
P.S. It appears you were also editing Jib (disambiguation). Is that the page you were having trouble finding? The bot didn't edit that one, either. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks - must be Monday Morning - I will go back and checkTimpo (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Lumeta Page deletion - February 2014

I'm inquiring about the page deletion for Lumeta. Would you be able to tell me the reason for the deletion so we don't replicate the errors again/


Danny Lee Marketing Manager Lumeta Corp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:802:460:192:B58E:A1DD:B520:41B3 (talk) 20:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you~!

About the article "Millennium Tower (Frankfurt)". I wrote like 90% of the article and I just want to say thanks for redirecting the link "Gallus" to the article "Gallus District". I have NO idea how to do that so I was wondering how to figure it out and it never worked :( How did you do that!! and THANK YOU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M0RGaN98 (talkcontribs) 19:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

All I did was change [[Gallus]] to [[Gallus (Frankfurt am Main)|Gallus]]. You can do that yourself by editing the page text. If you click on a link (like Gallus) and it doesn't take you to the correct article, you just find the correct article title and add it to the link, in front of a vertical bar | character. See Help:Link for more info. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:57, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Will the list requests never end?

This should be a really easy one, though. Occasionally I run across redirects that still have other text - including article links - on the page. Obviously any redirect with a disambiguation link on the page other than the one being redirected to has something that needs fixing, so a list of redirect pages containing disambiguation links other than a target link would be a nice little project. bd2412 T 19:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

  • It turned out there were only 35 hits on this, so I'll just give you the list here (in each item, the first link is the redirect and the second one is the disambiguation page):


  • Have fun! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks. The things people leave lying around, sheesh. bd2412 T 19:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Tagging of categories for deletion (harpsichord and balalaika).

Hello Russ,  

I noticed that you have tagged, for deletion, the full set of categories for the userboxes illustrating the proficiency levels of Wikipedians playing these two instruments.

I created some of these userboxes and their associated categories when I was reviewing this page a while ago.

At the time, I was adding userboxes (and their associated categories) for other instruments and I noticed that some instruments that were already there were missing what seemed to me to be the full set of resources, pretty much like the 'Frame drum' is incompletely defined right now (i.e. they were either missing some of the userboxes representing each competency level of playing a given instrument, and/or missing their associated categories).

So, I completed these partially defined sets in passing, since I was already there and doing this for the instruments I was interested in. (If you look at the history of my changes, you will easily see what I did at the time).

I thought that doing so would tidy up that particular article as well as serve the community at large, in readiness for future Wikipedians playing these instruments and wanting simply to find the complete set of resources already defined; that way, all they'd have to do is simply insert the appropriate userbox(es) in their user pages without having to define anything.

If I've done anything wrong and caused unnecessary work for you or anyone else, then I can only apologise. On the other hand, I thought I was doing something good and adding value to this aspect of our encyclopaedia; so, if I have gone about it in the wrong way, then please help me put this right, instead of simply deleting what's already in place and ready for future use. Thank you for your kind assistance in this matter.

I took these actions, at the time, simply because we, as Wikipedians, are authorized to include userboxes in our user pages to display our proficiency in playing musical instruments, and these userboxes can have categories to group all such Wikipedians in these different classes of proficiency. When I added the instruments I play, I noticed the article was incomplete and therefore took the initiative to improve it.

The current situation seems to be that there aren't, right now, any Wikipedians playing the balalaika or the harpsichord, but should we therefore delete these categories, instead of leaving them in place for future use, when they will be needed by such Wikipedians?

It is, of course, quite possible that I don't fully understand the guidelines governing how all these resources should be defined; so, thank you in anticipation for your patience with me, Russ.  

With kind regards for now;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 21:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Patrick, these categories have been empty for quite a while. Generally, WP:CSD#C1 calls for deletion of categories that remain empty for more than four days. This is strictly for housekeeping, and the categories can be restored at any time if needed. However, if you foresee a specific future need for any of these user categories, they could be marked with the {{Empty category}} message. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:27, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Russ, Many thanks for your very prompt reply. I guess I am suffering from acute innocence (or might it be ignorance?) in this case  . Seriously, though: please would you be kind enough to explain how this 'restoration' is carried out? Also, if you'd be kind enough to insert this 'Empty category' tag in one of the articles, then I'll replicate it in all the others. Of course, I cannot guarantee that these categories will ever be needed, but, as I explained, I'd rather they were preserved in some way, and ready for such an eventuality. Thank you for your continued patience with me, and I apologize once again for causing you unnecessary/unproductive work.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 21:47, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Hi Patrick, I don't mean to be abrupt, but I'm kind of busy right now. Category:Wikipedian harpsichordists-1 has had the tag added. Deleted categories can be restored either by asking an admin to undelete them, or simply by creating a new category page that's the same as the old one. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Russ; No offence taken at all; on the contrary: very many thanks for your time and guidance and for adding the tag as an example; I know what to do now.
With kind regards;
Patrick; ツ Pdebee. (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Bot down?

Has the bot gone down? It was doing an epic categoy redirect but seems to have cut out midway through? Is there a limit on the number of articles it can recategorise? Timrollpickering (talk) 09:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

  • There seems to be some issue in the pywikibot framework that is affecting all my bots today. Don't know exactly what's causing it, just yet. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 09:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Back up (patched with bubble gum and masking tape...). In answer to your second question, there wasn't any limit, but I've put one in now, because making the bot run for more than 24 hours consecutively screws up the logging/reporting functions. The bot was never intended to be used as a substitute for the WP:CFD renaming process. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately the cackhanded way category moves was introduced has meant this is going to keep coming up. In this case a WikiProject decided on a naming convention and then just moved them over without bothering to fix 10,000 odd articles. @SuperJew: to explain why they went for this messy approach. Not sure what the best way forward is. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • SuperJew went for this messy approach because of the cackhanded way category moves was introduced and he didn't know about WP:CFD. --SuperJew (talk) 17:07, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Teamwork Barnstar
Thanks! Pariah24 (talk) 15:48, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia categories

On Wikimedia, Category:Loboc Church redirects to Category:San Pedro Church Loboc. I think this should be the other way round, as Loboc Church is the page name on enwiki (recently renamed from San Pedro Church Loboc). How easy/difficult/feasible is it to change the wm category name to bring it back into line? Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 15:03, wikitime= 07:03, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "On Wikimedia"...? Also, you used "|" in your links where you should have used ":". --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:19, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
I mean etc. Your bot runs there, so I thought you'd know about it. Redlinks with : Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 20:41, wikitime= 12:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, you mean Commons. There are multiple wikis with "Wikimedia" in the title, so I just think of Commons as "Commons" and it didn't register. To link to something on a different wiki, you put a ":" and the wiki prefix before the title, like [[:commons:Category:Loboc Church]], which gives you commons:Category:Loboc Church.
And as to your original question, my bot just moves pages out of categories that have been redirected. I don't have anything to do with deciding which categories should be redirected. I suggest you ask on commons:Commons talk:Categories or one of the Commons help pages. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:47, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


One of these days you are going to have to teach me how to make these lists on my own, so I'll stop bothering you about it. In the meantime, however...

  1. Potential WP:PLURALPT pages. Lately I have been finding many instances where "Foobar" is a common noun at the primary topic title, but "Foobars", the natural plural form, is a disambiguation page. This is not always wrong, but often the clear primary topic of "Foobars" should be "Foobar". I would like a list of all pages for which we have a non-disambiguation article at a "Foobar" title of four letters or more, but we have a disambiguation page at the corresponding title of "Foobars" or "Foobares". Perhaps an easier way to frame it would be to list all disambiguation pages of at least five letters ending in an "s" or six letters ending in an "es" for which removing the "s" or "es" yields a primary topic title.
  2. Disambig links to genre-identifying redirects. A good number of our disambiguation links are through redirects; usually these are come kind of spelling or capitalization variation, but many also occur to redirects where "Foo (song)", "Foo (album)", "Foo (film)", etc., redirects to "Foo". I would like a list of all disambiguation redirects with incoming links where the redirect contains (song), (film), (album), (TV series), or (video game).

I already consider myself as owing you a fine lunch, so this will add to the tab. Cheers! bd2412 T 23:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

  • You might have gotten the impression that I had entirely forgotten about these requests. That would be a non-unjustified slur on my character. So don't even think about it. But, anyway, take a look at User:RussBot/Plural dab pages/001 and User:RussBot/Plural dab pages/002. In each pair, the first page is a dab and the second one is not. I did not consider redirects in compiling this list. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
    • As you can see, I have already gone nuts with it. Cheers! bd2412 T
  • And, finally, User:RussBot/Genre redirects to disambiguation pages/001 through /006. All of the disambiguation pages have incoming links, but the redirects do not necessarily. Now that I've done it, I realize maybe that isn't what you wanted, but checking each redirect to see if it has incoming links will require a bit of a rewrite of the script. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Still very useful, particularly insofar as a disambiguation page at a "Foo (disambiguation)" that shows up as having incoming links must have them coming from a redirect of this sort. I'll sort those out first, which may take months, before worrying about anything else. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:42, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


Hello. Good job on redirecting the links to the Somme - don't know why all of a sudden the page had to be swapped with the dab page, but you may want to check them over again. You seem to have made a couple of wrong calls. When talking about the Somme in WWI terms, one usually refers to the area where it happened, the battlefield, more or less corresponding to the department, and not the river as such. Fighting happened all over the place, and the frontline didn't always follow the actual riverbed. Rgds, --Midas02 (talk) 03:16, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Banknotes of Danzig category at Commons

Hi R'n'B- I uploaded images to the commons category Banknotes of Danzig and noted that these images were of pre Free City banknotes and therefore belonged in the category. They were moved by the bot regardless. If I undo this action is there a way to make sure it won't happen in the future (I have more pre-1919 Danzig notes to upload)? Many thanks.--Godot13 (talk) 21:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

You would have to raise this on Commons, perhaps in their Commons:Categories for discussion process. The bot just moves pages out of categories that have been redirected; it has nothing to do with deciding which categories should be redirected, or to where. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:53, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for getting back so fast.--Godot13 (talk) 22:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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