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Admin's barnstar.

  The Admin's Barnstar
A tear of pride rolls down my cheek when I see the people I nominated for adminship over half a decade ago keeping up the good work. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Has it really been that long? It seems like yesterday.... Thanks! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:14, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Marc Y Chenevert

Hello I noticed that you had added a category to my article Marc Y. Chenevert. I have been targeted by another editor that first didnt like how the copyright on my photos of the article was verified. I addressed that and they have been corrected and then he added a do not move banner to them for a watermark. Once that was all corrected he has now moved on to my article and has decided that I have some connection with the subject and when I addressed that he then added a number or tags and decided that if there were no discussion on the subject that that he would nominate the article for deletion. I think this would be a terrible loss as the subject person is very notable. Would you mind to join in on this discussion and see what you think about the issues that he LGA has brought up? Thanks so much. Mmb777e (talk) 12:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The main problem I see with the article is that the only sources cited (except for a newspaper article describing one specific incident in his life) are Chenevert's own autobiography and his other published works. If he is, in fact, a "noted" aviation artist, then presumably someone other than himself has discussed his works in some published source. Adding citations to such sources should resolve most concerns over the issues raised by LGA. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Are double redirects still being fixed by bots?

I've noticed that the redirect bots are working a lot more slowly than usual, if they are working at all. This could become extremely problematic in the event of page moves when disambiguation pages are created. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:24, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

It seems that Special:DoubleRedirects has not been updated since 10 September, and I don't have any idea why that is the case. However, bot operators can work around this if they know what they're doing. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Reply - Do you know why it has not been updated? --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
No, as I said above, I don't have any idea. You might want to ask on WP:VPT. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Fixing double redirects with section targets

The bot normal does an excellent job (well done) but it's just corrupted a few dozen of my links that I needed to fix by hand. The bot wanted to change a double redirect to a single redirect. I agree with that but it also dropped off the sectional target (ie the bit after #), which I want to keep. Eg, in [1] it changed

  • #redirect [[Toyota concept vehicles, 1990-1999#AXV-III]] to
  • #REDIRECT [[Toyota concept vehicles, 1990–99]] when it would have been much better to change it to
  • #REDIRECT [[Toyota concept vehicles, 1990–99#AXV-III]]

I can fix the redirects this time but is there any chance of updating the bot to keep the sectional tags in the future? Thanks.  Stepho  talk  23:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into it. This is a standard Pywikibot framework script, so I'm not sure how flexible other users would be about changes. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. It took me an hour to correct the links.  Stepho  talk  11:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Renaming articles and redirects LOSE anchors

I'm glad this BOT can update double-redirect on renamed articles, but I WISH it would append the anchors (section headers) also. Currently it is removing the anchors which is A LOT of work to fix! Tom Ruen (talk) 18:34, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

p.s. It seems to be correctly adding anchors now. Tom Ruen (talk) 05:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

TWODABS report?

Hey bud, I need to get a grasp on just how big the WP:TWODABS issue really is. Can you whip up a report of all disambiguation pages that have only two links on the page? I realize we'll miss a lot of pages with non-matching links in see also sections, so the ideal would be to ignore those, but I'll try to avoid asking the impossible. Cheers! bd2412 T 23:51, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, it may take a few days for me to get to it. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:33, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
No problem - this will be a slow matter to deal with all around. By the way, as long as I'm asking you to do this, could you also report the number of incoming links to each TWODABS page? Ignore this part if it complicates things too much. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
You may not believe this, but User:RussBot/Two-link disambiguation pages/001 is the beginning of a list of over 43,000 pages. That is, out of 235,400 total disambiguation pages, almost 20% contain only two (or fewer) links. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Nope, I believe it. Thanks for the report! bd2412 T 16:35, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
FYI, I re-ran the report. The pages with * after them only link to one article. If there are disambig pages with zero links to articles, I probably haven't caught them; that will require some changes to the database query. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 23:35, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Category:1203 in Europe

Hello R'n'B. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:1203 in Europe, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Category is not empty. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi, than�ks for your work on WP. I noticed that you relinked "English". Perhaps you might consider avoiding the linking of that and other common-term items, per the guidelines, unless there's a particular reason for linking. Thanks. Tony (talk) 09:47, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Um, no, I didn't "relink" it; I just changed the target of an existing link. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 09:51, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad not a disambig page

Hi, in this edit by RussBot, Hyderabad was changed back to Hyderabad, India, but Hyderabad is no longer a dab page. Is there somewhere where RussBot can be updated about this link? Thanks, Funandtrvl (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks for the heads-up. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, cheers! Funandtrvl (talk) 21:51, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi Russ; you undid a couple of my edits here, but i'm not sure why. I thought i merely followed the example of such pages as Brad and Dolly and Jamaal in the categories i added. In what way is Myung-hwan not a disambig page? Sign me ~ Always Willing to Learn, Lindsay, 04:10, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Lindsay. Pages that only contain a list of people sharing the same first or last name are not considered disambiguation pages; this is discussed at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Given names or surnames. Jamaal falls into this category and should not have been marked as a disambiguation page. Brad and Dolly, on the other hand, contain links to a number of topics other than personal names, although both of them probably ought to be split based upon the MOS guidelines. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you; that makes sense, in a couple of ways. I've spent a little time disambigging(?) pages now and again, but i didn't remember coming across a given-name one previously, so i was a tad surprised when i bumped into Myung-hwan. In addition, the pointer to the MOS is clear and obvious; hard to imagine why i didn't go there first of all to look. See you around. Cheers, LindsayHello 19:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Iwan Ries and Co.

What were you trying to do with [2]? The page you linked to doesn't exist and never has. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:04, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I might just as well ask you what you were trying to do with your edit; the page you linked to, Edward Hoffman, does not contain any information that is even remotely relevant to a reader who follows the link from Iwan Ries and Co. Which is worse -- a link to a page that does not exist, or a link to a page that exists but is completely unhelpful? Hint -- see WP:REDLINK before you answer that. However, if you think there is no possibility that an article will ever be written about the individual who founded the tobacco shop, then you could simply remove the brackets altogether. (Edit: oh, I see you have done that already.) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Nationalisms and Regionalisms of Spain

RE your edit on Nationalisms and Regionalisms of Spain of early October ([3]), you asked which CIS was the source of a previous edit. In Spain, CIS stands for Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas (Sociologic Investigations Centre, I guess). This one, in fact: Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas.--L'irlandés (talk) 21:55, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Home Shopping Network Affiliates

Thanks for letting me know about the List of Home Shopping Network affiliates. Matter of fact, It didn't take long to create. All I did was Selected all of the Text Writing in Category:Home Shopping Network affiliates & Copied it and Pasted it into the new area. I hope you know where I'm getting at. And of course, Send me a message when you get this and let me know if there is anything else I need to do. Thanks - Markman1 Call me Mark... 19:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


Back in 2009 you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has now been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Special redirect

Hello - would you please restore the special redirect Corvette (disambiguation) (redirect)? It's there intentionally, to track page usage. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Dohn joe (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Sorry for any inconvenience. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:59, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
No prob - thanks for the speedy restore. Dohn joe (talk) 20:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Consistory / Papal consistory

Hi mate, I split some of the content from the old article Consistory (since turned into a disambig). In the meantime, you fixed a whole bunch of links so that they pointed to College of Cardinals. Any chance you could go back and change them to Papal consistory (the new article)? I've tried to do some manually but I assume you used a bot or something for yours? Cheers, Stalwart111 08:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is going to be so easy to fix. This would not have happened if (a) you had added a link to Papal consistory to the disambiguation page, and/or (b) paid attention to WP:FIXDABLINKS and fixed all the links at the same time you created the disambiguation page. I am not a mind-reader and did not know that you had moved the content to a new article. You left behind a mess and I did the best I could to try to clean it up. If I can undo the edits made over the past couple of days, I will, but it is going to take some thought. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: Sorry, I see it was actually @Jfhutson who created the disambiguation page and left the mess behind. I shouldn't have assumed it was you. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:12, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
No problem! (Well I hope not anyway). Jfhutson was cleaning up a problematic article that was a grab-bag of unsourced OR. When he cleaned it up, no new article existed - I created it after he turned the article into a disambig with the best link available. I had been meaning to create the new article for a while. Sorry if the order of things created issues. But thanks, also, for doing what you can to fix the links. Much appreciated. Though the current setup might take some cleaning, the end result is a proper disambig and a better article (perhaps several better articles). Again, thanks! Stalwart111 14:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Dab Challenge - November

Something seems to go wrong in the calculation of time since the last update:

The current time is November 3, 2013, 10:08 UTC. Replication lag is 1 second.
This page is updated hourly; the last update completed 16012 days 10 hours 8 minutes ago

Just a cosmetic problem though. -- (talk) 10:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Fixed now. I knew something would go wrong. :-) The problem was that I hadn't properly planned for the contingency that the hourly DAB Challenge update might take more than an hour to complete. It's odd; almost all the scripts are running much faster on Labs than they did on Toolserver, except for the DAB Challenge update, which seems to be running slower. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

ricky Oneil article

Ricky is a real person who starred in the TV program treasure island and this webpage proves he exist: Must his Wikipedia be deleted? Venustar84 (talk) 00:07, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

When you get a chance...

I see that you're quite busy now, and this is no rush at all, but when you get a chance, can you cook up a list of pages containing {{dn}} templates, but no disambiguation links? I've been cleaning up some old tagged pages for which the tagged link was fixed, but the tag was never removed. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:08, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

See User:RussBot/Disambiguation not needed/001 and following pages. Never mind, this has a big problem with false positives; I'll need to fix the script and try again. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:06, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but there are false positives where the disambiguation link is a redirect, like in (R)evolution: The Remixes. I can work around this, though. Just thought you would want to know. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again. I'm sure this will sort out without too much trouble. bd2412 T 15:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, now we're down to only two pages, User:RussBot/Disambiguation not needed/001 and User:RussBot/Disambiguation not needed/002, and it looks like a cleaner list. Have fun! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
By the way, on another front, is it possible to do a one-day disambiguation contest count? I think that could stoke some extra interest in fixing these links. Cheers again! bd2412 T 01:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I suppose so, but you'd probably have to ask JaGa, since he wrote the scripts. It would take me a lot longer to figure it out than for him to tell you the answer. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Of course. Thanks for your time. bd2412 T 15:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


Nizam was the title of the sovereign of Hyderabad State and other Indian States. The page Nizam should be include in Nizam (disambiguation). You have redirect Nizam to Nizam of Hyderabad, who was not only single Nizam.--امین اکبر (talk) 10:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

The page Nizam (title) is listed on the disambiguation page. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Avoid Redirects

Please stop using redirects in the referal or any other part of the Kennedy family page or any other article- those just annoy readers. "Kennedy (disambiguation)" redirects to "Kennedy", so please do not have the article link to redirects. (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

@User:, WP:INTDABLINK is policy. If you are unable to conform your conduct to policy, please let me know, so that I can cause you to do so. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:21, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Lite baklava till dig!

  can you fix gökturks down on the page Mehmeett21 (talk) 17:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Heinkel/Sv.Aero HD 19

Carry on ,I pressed save instead of preview, thanks.--Petebutt (talk) 23:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for your help with the disambiguations. I will try to remember from now on that Georgia is a disambig page because of the state and country. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Odd RussBot edit

Seems to have gone a bit funny and started repeating itself here: [4] - David Gerard (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

See immediately preceding section. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi there! I don't think we've ever talked before, but I just thought I'd let you know about something funny that the bot is doing here. Cheers, Azylber (talk) 13:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the report! It's not just this page, it seems to have happened on dozens of redirects. I'll definitely have to figure this out and fix it before letting this script run again. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
It wasn't actually a problem with the script, but with broken database replication on the Toolserver. I've migrated the script to Wikimedia Labs, which so far doesn't have the same problem. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage. Not sure if you actually use this page or not. Any feedback in the deletion discussion would be welcome. Kaldari (talk) 23:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Lakas CMD articles

There's a massive problem here, but the templates were supposedly working fine until the two articles were renamed unilaterally. Also, only the Lakas-Kampi-CMD and Lakas-CMD templates redirect to the present day party while the rest (Lakas-NUCD, Lakas-NUCD-UMDP and Lakas-Christian Muslim Democrats) all redirected to the old one. –HTD 14:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Ian McKee

Hi, I did not realise I previously linked to a disambiguation page, I have put the correct link in now, thanks. (talk) 12:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Adductor muscle

I saw that you took care of that one. I was thinking that it's a bit WP:DABCONCEPTy, since an adductor muscle can be described as any muscle that contracts towards the lateral center line of the body. What do you think? By the way, we should get together for lunch sometime - maybe in January. I'm working in the NoVa region now. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I kind of agree with you, but it seemed to me that Adduction covered all the subject matter that a primary topic article would need to cover. Yes, let's get together after the holidays. Happy New Year! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
We could add a line at adduction - "a muscle that contracts towards the lateral center line of the body is generally called an adductor". bd2412 T 01:04, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Scheduling in Tool Labs

Hey, finals are finally over and I'm trying to diagnose the create_results_list() problem. Quick question - how is scheduling set up in Tool Labs? Thanks, --JaGatalk 00:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Just plain old crontab. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 03:13, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Ha! I'd tried cron and cronie and forgot about crontab. Thanks. --JaGatalk 04:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


Well, I've loaded the ch_procs.php code with debug logging, and it looks like the network problems was a red herring. The problem seems to be that the database queries called from within a PHP function are slow. Not terribly slow, mind you - it may take 0.1 seconds to find out that a single fixed dab is in the cache - but cumulatively, this adds up to very slow performance.

I'm going to refactor create_results_list() to take out cache-checking code and move it into the stored procedures. This method will never be fast but I think I can significantly improve it.

I haven't looked at the dab_procs method yet. I'm concerned there may be less opportunities for optimization, but we'll see. First we have to see if this works for ch_procs.

I'm going to shut down the hourly updates to the contest while I work on this. --JaGatalk 20:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

RussBot mistakes


The RussBot on wikimedia is constantly switching the categories of certain images into erroneous ones. Specifically, I'm referring to these:

Basically, all these animals are of the Mustelidae family, yet the bot keeps categorizing them as Felidae, despite my repeated attempts at reverting the edits.

Thanks in advance. Mariomassone (talk) 11:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

It's not the bot's fault. You are trying to put these files into commons:Category:Mustelidae paws. As you can see if you follow that link, that category is redirected to commons:Category:Felidae paws and claws. The bot didn't put the redirect there; a Commons user did. If you think the category shouldn't be redirected, you can revert it and/or discuss it with the other involved user. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Great Moments in Australian Sport

Does this list really belong on Wikipedia? As I wrote on the talk page, it's too subjective and should be deleted. I can't believe it has survived seven months. - HappyWaldo (talk) 23:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

RfC concerning the article name for Broadway

Because you were involved in a previous discussion on the subject, or related to the subject, please see RfC: What is the best name for the article about the street called "Broadway" which originates in Manhattan? BMK, Grouchy Realist (talk) 02:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

RussBot breaking links when fixing dbl rd's


I suspect this has probably happened hundreds of times, but I just noticed it now. I will often move a page without many incoming links, knowing that a bot will soon come along to fix the rd. However, RussBot does a poor job of this. I just noticed this[5] edit. The link was to List of unclassified languages of South America#Yampará, but RussBot dropped the anchor. Same happened w Yaperú language. — kwami (talk) 01:14, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

That was a bug that I fixed a while ago. Plus, RussBot isn't regularly fixing double-redirects at all at this time. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Good to know. — kwami (talk) 01:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Is there any way to list the fixes that had anchors, so they can be repaired? — kwami (talk) 01:56, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Constitution of Egypt

Hello R'n'B. I notice you have recently edited this article. There is a proposal at WP:RMTR that Egyptian Constitution of 2014 should be moved to Constitution of Egypt. Does that sound reasonable? Thanks for any advice you can provide, EdJohnston (talk) 00:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the reasoning behind this proposal. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Help with review

Hiya, Happy New Year! I was just reviewing any updates on my page and see a deletion log from you. Can you please advise what was wrong?

With thanks 13:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterthorn79 (talkcontribs)

Sorry, I don't know what you mean. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Paul Browning has not been deleted, and I can't find any activity in the logs involving me and that page. Can you give me some more information (such as a copy-and-paste of the item you saw)? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. It was here: I was trying to create an article. I had it rejected due to lack of references. So I beefed it up, and sent for 'approval'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

OK. First of all, a tip. When you want to link to an article in Wikipedia, don't copy the URL. Instead, just put the title of the article inside [[ double brackets ]] like these. That gives you a link that looks like User:Peterthorn79/sandbox.
Now, what happened was that you created a page at that title, but it was moved back in June to a new title in the "Articles for Creation" series. The old title was left as a redirect to the new one. But on December 9, you moved the page again to yet another title that was technically incorrect; it started with "Wikipedia:" when it was supposed to start with "Wikipedia talk:". Another administrator moved it back to the correct title on Dec. 12, but during that three-day interval a bot came along and fixed User:Peterthorn79/sandbox so that it redirected to the new title you had given the page. So, when the incorrect title you created was reverted, that left the sandbox page redirecting to nothing. And then I saw an invalid redirect and deleted it, not being aware of all this history at the time.
A very long technical explanation, I know, which boils down to: all that I deleted was a redirect, not the article, and if you want that redirect restored, I'd be happy to do it; just let me know. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Arh I see. Still a newbie. Can you advise the status then of the article - is it still in the cue for review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Found it. it was thrown back for further amendment. Many thanks for your help! Over and out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Please Help

Good evening, I am new to wikipedia and need help with an issue I am having. I am trying to create a page for a non-profit organization. They are really an awesome community minded group of people. My first attempt ended in a deleted page. I deleted the content that violated copyrights. Is there anything else I need to do to the page before it is ready for publishing? Please help. Thank you for your time.Trek 1802 (talk) 05:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

You haven't told me what page it is, so I have no idea. But have you read Wikipedia:Your first article yet? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Jeonnam Dragons player

Hi, There was a mistake. You have to move like this ---- Category:Chunnam Dragons players => Categroy:Jeonnam Dragons players. But You moved Category:Chunnam Dragons players => Category:Jeonnam Dragons players. Please move contents again. ThanksFootwiks (talk) 12:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

First, I didn't put the {{Category redirect}} template on Category:Chunnam Dragons players. You did. The bot just does what the template tells it to do. Second, the only difference between the two sentences you typed above is that "Categroy" is a misspelling; otherwise, the two titles you wrote are exactly the same. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:54, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, I made a mistake...I put the templeate again. Please command transfer to the bot again. Footwiks (talk) 06:35, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
You put the template where? The original category page has been deleted. Anyway, the bot processes category redirects automatically (it is a bot, after all), so there is nothing for me to command. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, from looking at the bot's log, I see that you added a template redirecting Category:Jeonnam Dragons to Category:Jeonnam Dragons players. That almost certainly will not work as you intended; it will move everything, including subcategories, from the first category to the second one. If you only want to move the articles about the players, you are going to have to do that manually. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Please move all artilces from Category:Jeonnam Dragons to Category:Jeonnam Draogns players. then, I will manually arragne the articles again. I think this is only solution. players articles are too many. I think that you understand what I mean.
I put other the trasfer templates. Please move all aticles agian.

Category:K-League players => Category:K League players. Category:Sangju Sangmu Phoenix players => Category:Sangju Sangmu FC players

ThanksFootwiks (talk) 06:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Thansk for transfering Category:Gwangju Sangmu FC players

Please finish below request

Category:Jeonnam Dragons => Category:Jeonnam Dragons players (After players transfering, I'll arrange category contents manually)

Category:K-League players => Category:K League players.

Category:Sangju Sangmu Phoenix players => Category:Sangju Sangmu FC players

Footwiks (talk) 17:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Please see WP:CFD for how to request a change of a category name. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Queen of the Desert

Hello, in 2006 you made a redirect for Queen of the Desert to The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert but now Werner Herzog is currently shooting a film also titled Queen of the Desert (film) with Nicole Kidman. I just wanted to know will it be alright if instead of redirecting, Queen of the Desert page work as disambiguation page and show both films so whoever is searching or looking for them can easily find it.--Jockzain (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but... It seems unlikely that either of the two films is likely to meet the qualifications as a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in the near term, so a disambiguation page is acceptable. But before you do that, please be sure that all existing links in other articles to Queen of the Desert are fixed to point to the correct article. [That should be pretty easy, since there don't seem to be any such links.] Thanks. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for replying me and explaining about things. I made the disambiguation page, regards--Jockzain (talk) 19:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Strange RussBot edits on Commons.


Your bot is making strange changes to categories of pictures on Commons: See for example: [6]. There are more such strange changes of the categories on Commons made by this bot. Polimerek (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Why do you think it is strange? The image was in commons:Category:Wystawa. That category page contains a category redirect template redirecting it to commons:Category:Elżbieta Chodorowska. So the bot moves any files placed in the redirected category into the target category. That is what it is supposed to do.
  • The bot did not put the {{category redirect}} template on commons:Category:Wystawa; a Commons user did. The bot does not create any category redirects, nor does it have any way of determining whether they are "strange" or not; that has to be done by humans. The bot does not recategorize pages for seven days after an edit to a redirected category, to allow time for other users to review the change and discuss it if necessary. In this case, though, the redirect has been in place and untouched for about six months. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

category redirect

In 1999, Henan Museum changed its name from Henan Provincial Museum to Henan Museum,so "Henan Museum" is the correct name.

--幽灵巴尼 (talk) 12:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

The bot did not put the {{category redirect}} template on commons:Category:Henan Museum; a Commons user did. The bot does not create any category redirects, nor does it have any way of determining whether they are correct or not; that has to be done by humans. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

An improvement?

You changed a direct from Improve to a dab page from a wikitionary emendment definition. The word "Improve" seems awfully close to a dictionary and not very encyclopedic, IMO. Redirecting to a dab page doesn't seem that helpful, again, IMO. Student7 (talk) 01:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, the redirect to the dictionary definition of "emendment" was even less helpful. There are no Wikipedia articles with links to improve, so I think the discussion is largely academic; but, if someone does search for the word, the disambiguation page may at least help them find some relevant article. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:21, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Frankly, the disambig page strikes me as a bit DABCONCEPT-y. I think it should be possible to write an article on the broad concept of improvement. bd2412 T 14:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I have started Draft:Improvement. bd2412 T 20:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
For context, I had written elsewhere: "I recall The Promise (Potok novel) where the protagonist, struggling to become an Orthodox rabbi, is tested as he is about to graduate. He emends a translation, absolutely forbidden by fundamental Orthodoxy, in one of the climaxes of the novel. The emendation resulting from the passage making absolutely no sense otherwise (from his pov, obviously, not from the pov of the rabbinical school!)."
In the article, this was directed to "improve" which wasn't quite right. If I emend the Bill of Rights about the Right to Bear Arms and I am against it, I would boldface militia. From my pov, that would "improve" it. If I were in favor of everybody carrying a gun anywhere, I would add the phrase afterwards saying that "of course, everybody was in the militia." Both are emendments, of sorts. Not sure either is an "improvement." (And, yes, the discussion works better when you're translating from a ancient foreign language, and you're changing one similarly looking letter to another). Student7 (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Discuss where?

Hello! Where do you suggest we discuss this? Three kings of Sweden have been called "Gustavus Adolphus" and one university. Wouldn't it serve our readers much better to have that redirect when someone looks for that name? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

We could discuss it on Talk:Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden. We already are serving our readers by making sure that links to those other topics you mentioned appear in hatnotes at the very top of the article. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Seongnam FC

Hi, please transfer belows category. Category:Seongnam Ilhwa Chunma players => Category:Seongnam FC players

Thanks 13:45, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Please see WP:CFD to request a category rename. You don't do it by putting {{Category redirect}} on a category, and you don't do it by putting a request here. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:19, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Sandbox page

Hello, After a time away, I am ready to work on a sandbox page that I see you have deleted. Could it be restored, please? It would save me a considerable amount of work that I would otherwise have to put in to recreate it.

Sgwallis (talk) 15:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC) sgwallis

What page would that be? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Caroline Klebl article

You added citation needed under several paragraphs under the intro to yoga section that was cited with the Layoga magazine witch is citation number 1. Is this not an ok citation or is the format wrong?

Nerdypunkkid (talk) 20:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I guess that is OK. I am always very cautious when I see an article saying that a person "wanted" something or otherwise attributing particular thoughts or opinions to them. We need to have a source that very specifically supports that attribution. But in this case, it looks like these statements are based on direct quotes in the magazine article. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:50, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll be carefull how I state things in Wikipedia and make changes as needed. Does every where that it says citation needed needs to be cited with Layoga or does not citation is good for the entire paragraph.

Can you or can I remover the citation needed

Nerdypunkkid (talk) 21:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

  • You can remove them. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I am a bit confused there a tab on the article saying there some problems. - It's an orphan - It might not meet notability criteria

Orphan Its says its an orphan but I linked the articles to other wiki articles as well as put it into several catagories. How do i fix this?

Notability Its says it might not meet notability, But i have sources that are from outside the yoga field and if you goto the talk section there a tab that says its within the scope of bio ... What can i do to fix all of this

Nerdypunkkid (talk) 18:30, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

"Orphan" means that other articles don't link to this one, it has nothing to do with the links or categories contained in this article.
Notability can be removed if you are confident that sufficient sources have been provided.
You can edit the article yourself. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:21, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Gujarat milk

Hi, I was wondering what happened with Gujarat Cooperative Milk Marketing Federation. I sort of remember that it had been OK previously. Was it redirected to a nonexistent page? If so, what page was that? I'm trying to recall. Or was it changed to a redirect when it previously had content? —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed tweak to the monthly DAB contest list.

Would it be possible going forward to mark entries on the monthly DAB contest list that are carry-overs from previous months? Specifically, if an entry on the list was also there the previous month, mark it with a star ( ), for two or three months, two or three stars (   or    ), or perhaps different sized stars ( ,  ,  ), and for more than three months, the rotating star of perpetual irritation ( ). That will highlight some of the more problematic disambig issue. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

It should be possible. It'll take a little thought to determine how easy or hard it is. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps try the one-month carryover to start. For this month's list, we've already knocked out half of the entries. bd2412 T 21:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Malplaced disambiguation pages

Hi, the malplaced dab page hasn't had an update by RussBot since December 6. Could you run it again? Many thanks. Tassedethe (talk) 17:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Yikes! I don't know how I missed that for two whole months. Working on it now.... --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Harry Maxwell

Hi R'n'B,

I would like to re-create the page for Harry Maxwell. I noticed you deleted it in January 2014 - citing the reason that the page has re-appeared despite being similar to a previous version.

I would like to re-create the article with the focus on Maxwell as a New Media Journalist and former Reality TV personality, rather than the latter being the focus.

I believe the page is justified under: Widely recognized entertainment personalities and opinion makers, and I have enough sources from national media outlets to justify him as high profile:

Do you think I should go ahead and submit the article for creation?

Thanks! Beautifulgalz123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beautifulgalz123 (talkcontribs) 04:56, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know where you got the idea that I deleted it. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Maxwell. Also, if you click on the red link for Harry Maxwell, I believe you'll see the deletion record. If you want to request undeletion, you can do that at WP:REFUND. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:11, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for your recent DAB help on the article 33rd Regiment Alabama Infantry. I try to catch them all, but sometimes they slip by me. :) The article is still a work in progress, and I deeply appreciate your help. - Ecjmartin (talk) 19:11, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Category:Belgium rail transport color templates

The Category was probably (inadvertently) emptied when RHaworth moved page Template:STIB Color to Template:STIB color. Useddenim (talk) 01:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

No problem. The category link belongs on the template documentation page (and is there), not on the redirect. The template just needed to be refreshed to appear in the category. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 02:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


Please, I would be very grateful if you check the wikipedia article. Best regards, Jrmpazos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi, the basic article about usnus ought to be moved from Ushnu to Usnu. I thought the people who are working on the article might want to do that. But I did not expect a quick solution, so I put a redirect. It is great that you realized it. See you. -- CaTi0604 (talk) 14:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Briza Bueno

I'm sorry, but I've had to decline the seemingly reasonable BLPPROD on this article. The narrow restrictions on the placement of BLPPROD preclude even links to self-published sources. (Complaints on that standard can be lodged at WT:BLPPROD, I've done what I can.) I'd recommend AfD at this point. Thanks for understanding. --j⚛e deckertalk 18:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'm not going to get into a debate about the standard, as absurd as it seems in this particular case. Do you think the article is still eligible for a regular PROD, or only AFD? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi. Technically, linking to a disambig page that includes the original target of the redirect is NOT breaking it... And why are you so sure that all the incoming links are meant for bourgeoisie and not any of the other ~20 meanings? For instance, from Coco_Chanel#Established_couturi.C3.A8re i wanted to find out more about the Burgeois (fashion) House, only to see generics about some social term that i've learned about in history class... But i'm sorry that i missed the {{Redirect}} in there. -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 15:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure that all the incoming links are meant for bourgeoisie; people make mistakes all the time, and I'd actually be fairly surprised if there weren't any here. But I do feel confident that the large majority of the links are intended for that page, since the redirect has been in place for 11 full years. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Category:2013 in Samoan rugby union

Hello R'n'B. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:2013 in Samoan rugby union, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Category is not empty. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:52, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Editor's Barnstar
Many thanks for dabbing Irish parishes for me, saved me a lot of time doing it next week! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:42, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Wexford still looks like it has a few needing to be dabbed though like St NIcholas etc. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Please acquaint yourself with the extensive literature on nonacquiescence (just run it through Google Books, this is a major issue well-known to all attorneys who regularly litigate in federal courts)

I am assembling further references in support of restoring that point shortly. It would have been much more courteous if you had raised the issue on the talk page first. --Coolcaesar (talk) 02:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of the issue of nonacquiescence, but I think the way you described it was incomplete and misleading. I look forward to your revised version. I did not intend any discourtesy; reverting unreferenced insertions is a common practice on Wikipedia. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:47, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, that link to Just Say No went to the article on Nancy Reagan's anti-drug program, which has nothing to do with nonacquiescence. I'm sure you can understand how that would look a bit questionable. bd2412 T 16:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

RussBot question

I just ran into this edit performed by RussBot. It introduced an error by substituting "Church of Our Saviour" for "Church of the Saviour". (I've already fixed it.) I took a look at RussBot's recent work and didn't see any other strangeness, but thought you might want to know about this one. SchreiberBike talk 02:39, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the report! I will definitely check into that. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:25, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Havre de Grâce

Please do not change the display of the links to "Le Havre" in the various lists of shipwrecks where Havre de Grâce is stated. This is the correct name of the town at the time. [[Le Havre|Havre de Grâce]] (Havre de Grâce) is a valid link. Note the correct spelling with diacritic. Mjroots2 (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

  • I am confused. Can you show me where my edit changed the way the text seen by the user is displayed? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


I left a message back on my talk page. Sorry to have got annoyed at the Bot. THese bookmaking articles need a lot of work. Si Trew (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of article for Rongxiang Xu

I have been asked to find out more as to why Rongxiang Xu's article was deleted on Feb. 14, 2014 and what could be done to have it "undeleted." I do believe that there is at least one reliable source within the article, and therefore, may warrant further editing, but not deletion. Any guidance or information would be much appreciated. (Forgive me as this the first time I am using Wikipedia talk.) Waverider76 (talk) 19:59, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

  • The article Rongxiang Xu was moved by User:Stuartyeates at 22:53, November 19, 2013 to the title Rong Xiang Xu. Moving an article automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new one. The article was then deleted at 18:03, February 12, 2014 by User:Sphilbrick pursuant to the policy discussed at WP:PROD. Finally, on February 14, 2014, I deleted the original redirect as routine clean-up, since it was now a redirect to nothing. You (or the interested person who asked you) can either contact User:Sphilbrick or post a request at WP:REFUND if you want to edit the article further. I hope this is helpful to whoever asked you for information. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
I've restored Rong Xiang Xu. I see it was moved to Rongxiang Xu. I trust that someone will sort out which name is better, while working to improve it. Is this message sufficient, or does someone else need to know?--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
@Waverider76: --S Philbrick(Talk) 20:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Rong Xiang Xu appears to have no talk page. Could that be undeleted too please? Or did it never have one? Stuartyeates (talk) 21:34, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Bill Hill

Thanks for the reply. I don't really think it is a question of DAB only that the bookmaker should be at primary and the person who founded it should then be secondary, which can of course go via WP:TWODABS. But I think the company should be at primary, what do you think? Si Trew (talk) 21:08, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

So, right now, the article about the company is titled William Hill (bookmaker) and the article about the person who founded the company is titled William Hill (businessman). I don't have any big problem with either of those. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, probably best to let it stand. I would have thought that most people in the UK would think of William Hill as the chain of bookmakers, but that is probably not very WP:WORLDWIDE and since it's kinda settled it is probably best to leave it where it stands. Si Trew (talk) 12:44, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


The articles are going to be split, was targeting all those redirects first. CFCF (talk · contribs · email) 23:42, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Disambiguator's Barnstar
For your prolific efforts in disambiguating links across the project. — MusikAnimal talk 18:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Rejected submission

I'm wondering about the reasons that the proposed article 'SSHH' was rejected. Gratefulmama (talk) 19:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

no idea. I can't even find a rejected article with that title. Can you provide a link? R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:32, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


I'm wondering why the proposed article "SSHH" was deleted. It is intended to give background on the healing system known as "SSHH" or "Synergistic Solutions for Health and Healing," which is similar to "MMS" or "Miracle Mineral Solution." Wikipedia already has an article about "MMS," but does not yet have an article about "SSHH" and I think it would be beneficial to the public to have this information available. Gratefulmama (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Please read my response to your previous message. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 23:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
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