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Category:The Clash singles

Hello, Pjoef. A while ago a decision was made to not categorize single releases separately from non-single songs. As such, I've suggested that the two The Clash categories be merged, here. That discussion has a link to one previous discussion, which in turn has links to a few others. If you have any comments about this move, or would like to discuss it, please do not hesitate to join the active conversation. Regards ×Meegs 01:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Socialismo e Barbarie

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Clash singles chronology

Hi Pjoef and welcome to Wikipedia. It's an official policy here on Wikipedia that all claims should be attributable to a reliable, published source. It is helpful to other editors if you cite sources for your claims so that we can verify them.

I notice that your edits to the Clash singles chronology in various articles appear to conflict with this source. Can you please let me know what source you're using so that we can verify your claims? Thanks, Sideshow Bob Roberts 16:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Sideshow Bob Roberts

I'm working on The Clash discography and I'm editing songs and albums articles to fit the Wikipedia standards. About the Clash singles chronology the main source are labels, sleeves, booklets and covers of 7" and 12" singles, albums and CD. Today I found this source [1]. Now I'm comparing and working on that data.... (Pjoef 17:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC))

connollyco	rateyourmusic	wikipedia
1977 March White Riot	1977 White Riot / 1977 CBS 5058	White Riot
1977 May Remote Control	1977 Remote Control / London's Burning [live] S CBS 5293	Remote Control
1977 September Complete Control	1977 Complete Control / City of the Dead S CBS 5664	Complete Control
1978 February Clash City Rockers	1978 Clash City Rockers / Jail Guitar Doors CBS 5834	Clash City Rockers
1978 June White Man In Hammersmith Palais	1978 (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais / The Prisoner	(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais
---	1978 I Fought the Law / (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais 50738	---
1978 November Tommy Gun	1978 Tommy Gun / 1-2 Crush On You S CBS 6788	Tommy Gun
1979 February English Civil War	1979 English Civil War / Pressure Drop 7082 1 26	English Civil War
1979 July I Fought the Law	---	I Fought the Law
---	1979 Groovy Times / Gates of the West (NOT FOR SALE Epic AE7 1178)	Groovy Times
1979 December London Calling	1979 London Calling / Armagideon Time 7 issues	London Calling
---	1980 Clampdown / The Guns of Brixton (Australia 7" Vinyl Epic ES 486)	Clampdown
---	1980 Hitsville UK (UK CBS 9480)	Hitsville UK
1980 February Train In Vain (Stand By Me)	1980 Train in Vain (Stand by Me) / London Calling	Train in Vain
1980 August Bankrobber	1980 Bankrobber / Rockers Galore 8323	Bankrobber
1980 November The Call-Up	1980 The Call Up / Stop the World	The Call-Up
1981 January Hitsville UK	Hitsville UK 7" Vinyl Epic 51013 (USA ed.)	---
1981 April The Magnificent Seven	1981 The Magnificent Seven / The Magnificent Dance	The Magnificent Seven
1981 November This Is Radio Clash	1981 This Is Radio Clash / Radio Clash 1797	This Is Radio Clash
1982 April Know Your Rights	1982 Know Your Rights / First Night Back in London A2309	Know Your Rights
---	1982 Should I Stay or Should I Go? / Inoculated City (USA [45 rpm] 7" Vinyl Epic 14-03006)	Should I Stay or Should I Go?
1982 Rock the Casbah / Mustapha Dance	1982 June Rock The Casbah	Rock The Casbah
1982 July Should I Stay Or Should I Go?	---	---
---	1982 Straight to Hell	Straight to Hell
1985 September This Is England	1985 This Is England	This Is England
---	1988 I Fought the Law / City of the Dead - 1977 651172-7	I Fought the Law (1988 re-release) ???
1990 July Return To Brixton (Remix)	1990 Return to Brixton / The Guns of Brixton 656072-2	---
---	1991 London Calling / Brand New Cadillac	---
---	1991 Should I Stay Or Should I Go/Rush	---
---	1999 Complete Control [live]	---

Redirect

Hi. I just want to tell you that you shouldn't create redirects of songs to the album page except for in rare instances. They give the misleading impression that the song has a page and it's even worse when they are linked from the album page (Thus, Garageland (song) redirects back to The Clash (album) when it's linked from that page. I will try to delete them when I have time. gren グレン 04:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gren,

I'm so sorry, but right now I have little time to work on WikipediA, but I hope to work on these pages more in the next months. The redirections were intended as a temporary solution. Otherwise:

“Linking to the specific album on which the song appears is preferable and linking to the artist should be done only when the album does not have a page on Wikipedia.

There is consensus that the majority of songs do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Songs should only have an individual article if there is enough material to warrant a detailed article.

To add a redirect to this category, put {{R from song}} after the redirect but on the same line (The redirect works only if in the first line, and any lines following the redirect line are ignored).” — from Redirects from songs (that's the opposite of what you wrote!)

I think that we must add the redirect but to the relative album and a redirect to the category {{R from song}} on every page without enough material to be a good article. Today, I worked on this, but the result is little good. Also, I made some changes in your Watchlist about The Clash (User:Grenavitar/Watchlist:The Clash). Songs, EPs, Compilations and Albums are retrivied, in alphabetical order, from their categories, Category:The Clash songs and Category:The Clash albums.

Cheers, and have a nice weekend!

(Pjoef 18:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

Too many line breaks

Hi there. I notice you keep inserting multiple line breaks when you edit articles, for example here. Note that inserting that many line breaks causes the articles themselves to get extra line breaks, which is inappropriate. I've reverted such changes of yours on multiple occasions, for example here. Please take care not to insert that many line breaks. Thanks in advance. --PEJL 12:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi PEJL,

Thank you for the information. I retrivied more from Manual of Style:

“Spaces above and below headings are completely optional. Spaces between the==and the heading text are also optional (==Heading== vs ==Heading==). With the current MediaWiki software, these extra spaces will not affect the appearance of the heading in any way; the rendered page is identical. Multiple blank lines will add white space, ...” — see more

Inserting one or more line breaks after a heading doesn't causes the articles to get extra line breaks. It only facilitates the editing, and the source code becomes easier to read. Otherwise, a selective inserting of more than one line break before a Heading produces, in some cases, a more legible articles. — Thank you again, (Pjoef 14:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

Inserting one or two line breaks in succession generally doesn't cause the article to get extra line breaks. Whether doing so makes the code easier to read is debatable, and not something I'd like to debate here. But inserting more than two line breaks in succession generally causes the article to get extra line breaks, which is what is inappropriate. If articles needed more line breaks to be legible, they would have that extra margin by default. Editors should not add additional margins into articles. I see on your user page that you consider yourself an HTML/CSS professional. As such, I'm sure you'll agree that <p><br/></p> (which is what additional line breaks generate) is inappropriate HTML markup. --PEJL 14:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

OK PEJL! In any case, I haven't inserted more than two line breaks, and if I did it was on my error and I am sorry.

Thank you again, and peace to you! — (Pjoef 15:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

No problem. --PEJL 15:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music September 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 6 - September 2007

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Clash song articles

Hi, and thank you for your contributions. However Wikipedia:Notability (music) has "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album. Wikipedia:Verifiability states: "If an article topic has no reputable, reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on that topic.”" and I think these would be better as redirects to London Calling. --John 03:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've now done that, and I am truly sorry to have had to undo so much of your well-intentioned hard work. I think there may be other ways you can help improve our coverage of The Clash which will be more beneficial to our users than creating articles on every single song they released. --John 05:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, John

I don't think so! I want to explain to you from my point of view:

• A song without its own article could be not categorized;

• if an user wants to know more about a song, find those informations on the relative album/artist article is not a good choice;

• if someone wants to add some information about a song, its own article is the right place to do that;

• the extra track listing template (you have deleted) is (IMO) the best way to navigate across the tracks of an album;

• there are a lot of stubs on Wikipedia and the majority of songs do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines!

In my opinion, an article for all of the songs recorded by The Clash is the best (and right) choice! — Cheers, (Pjoef 12:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC))

I appreciate your opinion but I'm afraid the notability guidelines take higher priority as they constitute a consensus formed over a long period by many users. It may be true that many song articles do not meet our notability standards, but that is not a case for keeping poor articles but perhaps for changing the other unsatisfactory ones to redirects or deleting them. Let me know if there are specific ones you have in mind. --John 18:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The Clash

Hey, thanks for your message. I have removed the intro length template. It would have helped if I had left a message on the article talk page addressing my concerns, as was my intention, but I got distracted, and failed to do so. I appreciate your edits (all of them, as you have done great work recently on the article), and the fact that you discussed the matter with me rather than simply removing the template yourself. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 23:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The Working Man's Barnstar!

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Awarded to Pjoef for tireless effort sorting out the references in The Clash article

Wwwhatsup 03:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

PopUps

BTW Pjoef, do you use Popups? I find it saves a lot of time. I love the ability to check links by highlighting them while editing. Wwwhatsup (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Any joy with that? Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Clash question

I was curious if you knew the origin of “THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS!” Was it the Clash, a record company, or someone in the press who created that phrase? Kingturtle (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Please, see: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Clash#The Only Band That Matters —PJoe F. (talk • contribs) 18:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music December 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 9 - December 2007

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Re: French spacing

I have never set out to edit an article merely to remove the double spacing, but have only done so if I was in the midst of making other edits. I do not even really do it consciously, it has just always been a change I've made as a matter of course. I do not see the necessity for it, but if you would prefer, I'll not do so on The Clash article. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Clash

Hi. I noticed this. What do you suppose "yabbos" are? Would a third-party lyrics site qualify as a reliable source, do you think? --John (talk) 16:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: The Clash article

Thanks! Sorry for the cite error, I suppose I should have payed more attention. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 19:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Green

As a published author he should merit an article even if it's brief? Wwwhatsup (talk) 14:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music January 2008 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 10 - January 2008

"I still have people come up to me like, 'I really, really liked your last record.' 'Oh, thanks!' 'Are you going to do "Loser" tonight?' I'm like, 'Look, I'm six foot six. Beck is five foot sex, all right?'"- Thurston Moore Project news Radiohead, Slay Tracks (1933-1969), David Lovering, "I Don't Remember", U2, R.E.M., Anodyne (album) and Niandra Lades and Usually Just a T-Shirt reached featured article status in the past month, a record month for the WikiProject! Additionally, with the promotion of Radiohead, U2 and R.E.M., half of our Top Importance articles now have featured article status. Well done to Atlantik, Brandt Luke Zorn, CloudNine, the various WikiProject Powderfinger editors, Merbabu, WesleyDodds, Teemu08, NSR77 and Grim-Gym. The discographies of Dischord Records and Load Records reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Drewcifer3000 (who wrote both featured lists). Powderfinger discography reached featured topic status during the past month. Well done to the various WikiProject Powderfinger editors. We collaborated on Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, Franz Ferdinand (band), PJ Harvey and Michael Stipe during the past month. During the month of January, Rage Against the Machine, Pick Up the Pace, "Lost and Running", Bernard Fanning, Year Zero (album), Jon Coghill, "Losing My Religion" and "Touch Me I'm Sick" were promoted to good article status. Sign up for our B-class article drive on the project talk page! The goal is to increase a number of the project's B-class articles to GA or FA status within two months. The B-class article drive will run from February 1 to April 1, 2008. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything (1988).

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Do you like the Beatles? Tell me your opinion on my talk page. Thanks!It's the Kodster! (talk) 20:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Favorite Subjects

Hey, I checked out your Favorite Subjects. Pretty cool.

We don't have much in common really. 'Cept that I like Hendrix. Other than that, :|

Just wanted to tell you. I'm a real hardcore Beatlemaniac! Strawberry Fields 4RVR!

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London Calling 01

The main concern was that the books weren't cited in the article yet, hence the section retitling. I've noticed some editors like to list books even if they aren't used in the article, and it confuses things. As the article is up for a GA nomination, I thought it was best to make a distinction. By all means list the books if they are cited directly in the article, but it's best not to do it before, because they haven't been used yet. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

London Calling 02

Thanks! The album deserves an awesome article. Once it becomes a Good Article and has a good copy edit I'm going to nominate it for Featured Articles status. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 19:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the barnstar! Next step FA status! :) -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 18:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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"God is in your scrotum!'"- Perry Farrell Project news This month was the first in over a year in which no articles were promoted to featured article status. In the period between March 2007 and April 2008, the project produced a whopping 70 Featured Articles. Let's keep adding to those numbers! Pearl Jam was featured on the Main Page on April 22. We collaborated on My Bloody Valentine, The Queen Is Dead, Double Nickels on the Dime and Ten (Pearl Jam album) during the past month. During the month of April, Diorama (album), Editors, Neon Bible, Ghosts I–IV, "Yes! I Am a Long Way from Home" and "Who Really Cares (Featuring the Sound of Insanity)" were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out (1997).

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Music Barnstar

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You may be interested in contributing to wikicities:AutoCAD. I'm sure your help there would be appreciated. Tom Haws (talk) 20:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey thanks Tom for the invite. I will be visiting the AutoCAD community soon. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Alternative music newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 15 - June 2008

"I've gotten into communication states with cats where I know I heard their voices in my head and we'd sit around and have conversations with each other. Like me and one cat there, one cat there and one cat there and I would sit there for like three hours talking to them before I realized 'I can't believe I've been talking to cats for three hours.'" - John Frusciante Project news "Under the Bridge" and Year Zero (album) reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to NSR77 and Drewcifer3000. List of Nine Inch Nails tours and the discographies of The Strokes, Faith No More, Pearl Jam, Echo & the Bunnymen and Death Cab for Cutie reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Drewcifer3000, Indopug, Balthazar, -5-, JD554, and Teemu08. Wilco was featured on the Main Page on June 8. We collaborated on "Under the Bridge", Siouxsie & the Banshees, I Should Coco, Stone Temple Pilots, and MTV Unplugged in New York during the past month. During the month of June, Double Nickels on the Dime, Jeff Buckley, and "In Bloom" were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Art Brut - Bang Bang Rock & Roll (2005).

New members Fvasconcellos and Alternative_Idiot joined the alternative music fold during June. Editors User:WesleyDodds

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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for July 2008

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for July 2008 has been released, you can view it here! Soxπed93^(blag) 03:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films July 2008 Newsletter

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Invitation

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AfD nomination of List of designated terrorist organizations

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WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2008 Newsletter

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Motto of the day

Hello, I notice you're using one of the {{motd}} templates, run by Wikipedia:Motto of the day. You may have noticed that some of the mottos recently have been followed by a date from 2006, or on occasion simply "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The reason for this is that Motto of the day is in some very serious need of help. Participation in the project, which has never been especially high, has dropped considerably over this past summer, to the point we have had several days where no motto was scheduled to appear at all. Over the past several weeks, I've been the only editor scheduling mottos at all, but there aren't enough comments on some of these mottos to justify their use. If we do not get some help - and soon - your daily mottos will stop. In order for us to continue updating these templates for you, we need your help.

When you get a chance between your normal editing, could you stop by our nominations page and leave a few comments on some of the mottos there, especially those that do not have any comments yet? This works very simply; you read a motto, decide whether or not you like it, and post your opinion just below the motto. That's it - no experience required, just an idea of what you personally like and what you feel reflects Wikipedia and its community. If you do have past experience with the project, then please close some of the older nominations once they've got a decent consensus going. There are directions on the nominations page on how to do this.

If you have any questions, please let me know, or post on the project's talk page. I'm looking forward to reading your comments on the suggested mottos, and any additional suggestions you'd like to make. Until then, happy editing! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure, there's no rush - it looks like my notices got the attention I was looking for. :-) MOTD is a really very informal project. Anyone can suggest a possible motto at WP:MOTD/N - it can be serious, funny, a quote, anything, but the only requirement is that is has to somehow reflect Wikipedia's purpose or community. Often we help this along with links to various pages (e.g. "→Another One Bites the Dust" - that one might not get used because it's a bit negatively toned, but you get the point). Other editors then come along and decide whether or not they like the motto, and vote for or against it. Sometimes suggestions get made on how to improve the motto, and those are voted on similarly (I say vote here, because even though this is technically based on consensus as well, all the comments are essentially "I like it" type things). After two weeks discussion, the motto is either approved for use and put in the schedule, relisted, or rejected. Once an approved motto's day comes up, it appears in the template for everyone to see. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2008

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2008 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot II (talk) 21:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 21:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films September 2008 Newsletter

The September 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Please also note that after the roll call for active members, we've cleared the specialized delivery lists. Feel free to sign-up in the relevant sections again!
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for September 2008

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for September 2008 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot II (talk) 20:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Rock music Newsletter for October 2008

The Rock music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 9 - October 2008

"As long as my face is on page one, I don't care what they say about me on page seventeen."- Mick Jagger Project news The project has a total of 106 GAs and 91 Featured Articles and Lists put together. We collaborated on Soul Bomb. Help us select good versions of WP:ROCK articles for inclusion on the Wikipedia 0.7 release! Find out more about Wikipedia 0.7 selection on the project talk page and add your thoughts to the discussion. If you are personally responsible for a Featured or Good Article listed here, please the select a version to include in Wikipedia 0.7 on that page if you haven't already. Page versions must be selected by October 20. The genres in infobox fields have been removed cause of the discussion found here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music#Time to remove genre section on info box?. You can provide any opinions you may have about this. This month's "Recommended Rock Album" is Soundgarden - Superunknown (1994).

Editors User:Be Black Hole Sun

Be Black Hole Sun (talk · contribs)

Ray Lowry

Hello, where did you hear that Ray Lowry has died as I haven't been able to find any news articles about it yet? yorkshiresky (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for October 2008

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for October 2008 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot II (talk) 02:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films October 2008 Newsletter

The October 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have suggestions or comments related to the newsletter, please leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you and happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Message from WikiProject Punk music

Hello!

You may be interested to know that WikiProject Punk music has recently undergone a major revitalization. Please visit the project page to see our new look and check out some of our helpful new features, such as the Assessment Department and the Collaboration of the week. There are also a number of tasks on our Things to do page that you may be interested in helping with.

We are currently holding a roll call to help gauge how many active project members we have. Please visit the project's talk page and add your signature to the roll sheet to express your continued interest in the project. Also, if you have not already done so, please take a minute to add your name to the Participants page along with a brief summary of your punk-related interests, so that other project members will be better able to collaborate with you. If you do not add your signature to the roll sheet by November 30, 2008 your name will be moved to our list of inactive members. We may also take the liberty of removing the project userbox from your userpage if it appears there, to prevent you from automatically appearing in Category:WikiProject Punk music members. Of course you are free to rejoin the project and re-add the userbox at any time if you would like to become active in the project again.

Thank you and we hope you will continue to support WikiProject Punk music!

--IllaZilla (talk) 00:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films November 2008 Newsletter

The November 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. My apologies for the late delivery, and thanks go to both Wildroot and Erik for writing the newsletter. Remember that anyone can edit the newsletter, so feel free to help out! Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for November 2008

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for November 2008 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot II (talk) 03:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films December 2008 Newsletter

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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for December 2008

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WP:MOTD

Pleasee see Wikipedia_talk:Motto_of_the_day/Nominations#Running_dry. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films January 2009 Newsletter

The January 2009 issue of the WikiProject Films newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 20:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for February 2009

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for February 2009 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot II (talk) 03:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films February 2009 Newsletter

The February 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Motto of the Day Free Ice Cream Day!

By Imperial Decree of His Divine Majesty, our Most Sublime Padishah God-Emperor, Car'a'carn, Editor-in-Chief, etc. (may he live for ever) of the Dominion of the Motto of the Day, every Thursday is Free Ice Cream Day throughout the the Realm. Therefore, our glorious ruler (may he live for ever) has caused to be delivered to you by the Ministry of Frozen or Otherwise Cold Desert Treats this ice cream treat (which may include gelato, depending on one's interpretation of the picture). Let it be eaten without delay, lest the heat of the servers melt it. Let it not drip onto the Article Namespace, lest you suffer the Death of a Thousand Edits for allowing unencyclopedic melted desert treat to get into the wiki. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Frequently used idea and approved areas

The Frequently used idea are needs updating seriously and now the future of the approved area is questioned. Please see the discussions at Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 2#Help with FUI and Approved area discussion. Simply south (talk) 20:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:FILMS Coordinator Election

Hey, noticed you removed two votes saying "rm 2 votes of mine. sorry but my vote goes to Girolamo Savonarola" so I just wanted to make sure you knew that you can vote for multiple people, since there are seven slots open :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films March 2009 Newsletter

The March 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Your support is required...

My Minion-

I require your support in my current bid for absolute power over the Wiki. As your Glorious God-Emperor and Editor-in-Chief, I expect a favorable vote from you during this vital process. Thank you. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for March 2009

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for March 2009 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot II (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, I had a hard time finding someone with js experience. You see, I have this Java script that lets me edit Wikipedia that someone gave me to help me make large amounts of Insect species. But I want to learn how it works, sense I have no prior experience with programming. I also want to know how I can make the abbreviation, if you need further elaboration, or you want me to send you the script via E-mail (Because it would be like gold to vandals) just tell me on my talk page. Buɡboy52.4 (talk) 04:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I tried learning it, but its just a bit to difficult for now. But the script isn't loose. Meaning that I could only insert infermation that will be replicated for all the pages, and were I had ***, will be replaced by the name of the articles. For example, If you compare Bactromantis virga & Bactromantis mexicana, they have the same content except for three places the page title is, were I put the ***. If you look down to the references, they both have the same reference, and now compare them to Bantia chopardi & Bantia fusca, they have the same references, except for the name of the previous genus replaced by the new genus. And as you can see, the genus is stated as the first part of the binomial name, as Bantia fusca's genus is Bantia, is it possible to program it to remove the last part of the binomial name, from Bantia fusca to just Bantia; possible indicating this action with only two, **. Another problem is the taxobox, were the species is indicated, the binomial name should be abbreviated to B. fusca, can this be programed too, maybe with only one, *. Tell me your E-mail, or some other way to give you the script. Buɡboy52.4 (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn'yt expect him to come back, but thanks anyway! Bugboy52.4 (talk) 14:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

New image project

Hi. This little form letter is just a courtesy notice to let you know that a proposal to merge the projects Wikipedia:WikiProject Free images, Wikipedia:WikiProject Fair use, Wikipedia:WikiProject Moving free images to Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia:WikiProject Illustration into the newly formed Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media has met with general support at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Files. Since you're on the rosters of membership in at least one of those projects, I thought you might be interested. Conversation about redirecting those projects is located here. Please participate in that discussion if you have any interest, and if you still have interest in achieving the goals of the original project, we'd love to have you join in. If you aren't interested in either the conversation or the project, please pardon the interruption. :) Thanks. Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:23, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

License update vote

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WikiProject Films April 2009 Newsletter

The April 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 07:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Killing Joke

ok i undid ur edits. the eps and studio albums are in one chronology for a reason: Because they're studio recorded. they need to be in the same chronology so viewers know what came next in order. eventually, i'll add in the live albums. but thatll be a while for now because im working on the singles for Killing Joke. Please leave it as it was for now. --J miester25 (talk) 20:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for April 2009

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for April 2009 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot (talk) 10:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

MOTD

Would be gatreful if you have any ideas for mottos. Please help at WP:MOTD/N. Also see Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/Archive 5#Archival Simply south (talk) 21:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Great work!

Hi Pjoef, it's Artichoke-Boy (from MOTD). I just stop by to give you something I think you deserve:

		The MOTD Barnstar
		I, Artichoke-Boy, hereby award this shiny barnstar to Pjoef for his frequent and helpful contributions to the Motto of the Day project. Keep up the great work!  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 19:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

 ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 19:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films May 2009 Newsletter

The May 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for May 2009

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for May 2009 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Stalky-stalk

Do you think this might be interpreted as stalking? This guy hates Soviet apologism. This has been happening to me since May 10ish... PasswordUsername (talk) 04:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Fully agree. Wikipedia wasn't intended for this (I hope ;-)). PasswordUsername (talk) 08:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you can truthfully say that any Wikipedian supports justifying the atrocities Soviets committed. Since you're familiar with issues of human rights, you should be aware of the uncounted souls wretched by the Gulag, the troikas, Kolyma and other assorted murders. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 10:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is interested in justifying anything. Lecture for another day? PasswordUsername (talk) 10:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Armenian infrastructure

Hi,

I was actually passing by to discuss this edit. I don't think it's noteworthy; since every government needs infrastructure, it stands to reason that every government, every administration would maintain existing infrastructure and build new one. It only becomes relevant in an encyclopædic article if the infrastructure is in some regard noteworthy -- perhaps maintained exceptionally well or exceptionally poorly, or based on unusual technological solutions such as the Sharopoyezd. Would you agree? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 10:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I regret that you confused my remark as being of political nature. I would like to emphasise that it is not; the question is only what and how should be reflected in Wikipedia articles for them to be appropriately encyclopædic.

With that in mind, would you agree that a baseline level of infrastructure construction is not something that would need to be explicitly mentioned in the narrative of Armenia? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 11:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I see. I admit I'm a bit new to this; perhaps another way to approach this should be used.

If you're not interested in discussing it, I won't bother you anymore with this topic. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 08:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Unrelated insults by an unrelated user

Passing by in this sort of fashion is a bit unusual for a leading member of POV warriors' circle which is constantly engaged in group editing – as noted by a number of people at [2]. At least be a bit more candid in this respect. PasswordUsername (talk) 10:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate that you are not insulting me on my own talkpage. But further improvement is needed; you shouldn't do it on other folks' talkpages, either. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 11:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Not really my own interpretation. I can only guess if you followed me here or Vecrumba. Apologies to Pjoef for dragging on with this lame going around in circles here. PasswordUsername (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films June 2009 Newsletter

The June 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 08:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for June 2009

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for June 2009 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot (talk) 22:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The Clash

Hi, Pjoef, your article has been altered to meet updating standards: The last listed music video in that section has been & em-dashed; box-sets now is incl. in the infobox (with the standard color of orange; also gave films a beige color); and the lead has been changed to fit to today's new standard. It would have been changed at sometime by someone if it were not me. Best,--76.198.234.254 (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

MOTD

I'd be glad to contribute! As a matter of fact, I was thinking about wikimottos just the other day (I know, I have no life :]).

--Wyatt915✍ 21:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films July 2009 Newsletter

The July 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for July 2009

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for July 2009 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot (talk) 08:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Discogs

Hey, thanks for the reply. Of course exceptions can be made for certains cirumcstances, and I completely understand your viewpoint, but we do have to maintain consistency. If we allow this for the Buzzcocks, do we allow it for every list that is missing articles? It's a quite large inclusion you have there, and in my opinion (and i believe the general consensus around Wikipedia) the releases that do have articles for that exact information should not have it repeated in a discography. As it stands however, they are only guidelines, not policies, so if you wish to provide this extensive amount of information, i guess you have every right to for now. But if someone, someday decidesto contest the content, then you have a case on your hands. You're probably best to take it to the MOS:DISCOG talk page and hopefully you'll get some replies/opinions. Who knows, you might make a major difference?

Also, I've had a quick look over The Clash discography, some major things I observed: The three sections should be condensed into the lead - read WP's rules on leads, it needs to summarise the content of the list (which is what has been done in those sections, it just needs to be moved to the lead. You could probably find some more international charts, surely they charted in my home country of Aus back in the day at least? Only the original release date, label, and version needs to be listed on a discography - it doesn't need to be concise per say, just enough to give people a general outline. I've seen this done in many older articles, but I rarely see it now, probably because it has been outlawed - the sections being separated into UK and US that is. Music videos table doesn't require an Albums column. And I wouldn't encourage including a Filmography in a Discography - two entirely different things - should just be in The Clash article. Feel free to ask for more comments, I'll help whenever I have the time. Cheers. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking over the Filmography, they're not all actual films. The Video albums (live DVDs, self-made docos) should be included in a section title Video albums. As for any proper films, in a Filmography in the main article, if it gets deleted we have a case - they have articles and do not belong in the discog. The problem is going to be deciphering what belongs where.

I think having track listings included is just way too much in the list/table, even if they are hidden you have links inside links inside sections inside tables, it's just too much.

Music videos are still primarily used for the promotion of the single - which just above have the album listed right beside them. It's just repeating info really?

That Beatles discog is never going to be featured the way it is, there is just too much. It's supposed to be comprehensive yes, but not so extensive. And I can't stand things being split into UK and US, such a small scope. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I have posted a section asking about the box sets, I'm not too sure. You'll probably have to assess them, make sure they're official, notable and I'm sure they'll be okay to list. Let's just wait and see what they say. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Motto link

I have no life when asking this! What is Lightning meant to link to? Simply south (talk) 09:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2009 Newsletter

The August 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2009

The WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2009 has been released, you can view it here. SoxBot (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

About Latin Mottos

First of all the English word "MOTTO" derives from Latin! More precisely, it derives from Italian, which in its turn is derived from Latin!
2nd: Ask to some Colleges, Universities, Schools, States, Countries, Armies, Organizations,... to do not write their mottos in Latin!
3rd: I'm "exploring" this Category (Latin mottos) and the List of Latin phrases (full), and I'm also trying to propose a quote from Literature works and a Latin motto every week.
I think that a Latin motto per week is not too much....
But, if they are going to be a problem... then I can put them away! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

My opinion of the matter is this: the more obscure of them should probably be translated from Latin. For the more well known of them I'm happy if they stay in Latin with the English translation alongside. I probably made a mistake to oppose Carpe diem. ;)

Sometimes, but not often, the sentence structure is a little confusing, so in those cases it may be worth linking both the Latin and the English translation. All in all I'm okay if we keep having the Latin motto's (after all our wide readership hasn't come and burnt WP:MOTD down, yet!), but I do think that for some of the less well known quotes we would do well to maybe have them in English. Obviously this is only my opinion, kind regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 10:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Demetrio Stratos

Please see Template talk:John Cage#Demetrio Stratos. --Jashiin (talk) 19:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:FILM September Election Voting

The September 2009 project coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting seven coordinators from a pool of candidates to serve for the next six months; members can still nominate themselves if interested. Please vote here by September 28! This message has been sent as you are registered as an active member of the project. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Motto of the Day

Hello I am contacting you because you seem to be active recently in WP:MOTD. There has been a lack of interest lately, and I would greatly appreciate it if you responded to my comments on the MOTD talk page. Cheers. --LAAFan^sign _review 03:46, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Pepsi Motto Approval

Pjoef, I don't usually do this, but I must object to your approval of the Pepsi motto. Two Weak Supports, a Very Weak Support and an Oppose to not make consensus, in my opinion. At best, that motto should have been re-opened for further discussion. I won't undo your decision, but I strongly urge you to return it to the in review page for further consideration. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

What is "bland" consensus, anyway? It just seems to me that three people weakly supporting it and one person outright opposed would be no consensus, not a "bland" consensus to use it. I'm not saying it can't pass, I just think that, with such a lack of consensus, it should have been reopened for further discussion rather than approved, and it's not too late to do that. I know that sometimes we get a little hard pressed for mottos, but the answer is not to approve bad ones without consensus; that will just make the situation worse by lowering our standards. I again urge you to return the motto to the in review page for more discussion. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I think "suspending" yourself is an over-reaction, but whatever makes you happy. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films September 2009 Newsletter

The September 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:FILMS October Newsletter

The October 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. The newsletter includes details on the current membership roll call to readd your name from the inactive list to the active list. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jazz Mellor

An editor has nominated the Jazz Mellor article for deletion. If you have any thoughts on this matter then please add your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jazz Mellor.

Thank-you Unknown Unknowns (talk) 12:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

MOTD contributions

This is a general message to get people to contribute as we are running out again so if you could please do. Please also see Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day#The Future. Note to anyone who reads this, WP:MOTD/N. Simply south (talk) 15:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkheader

Hi, I saw you added a lot of Talkheader templates to talk pages. It is not recommended to do that for every article though, only when it is needed. See also this discussion. Garion96 (talk) 12:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Because {{talkheader}} was not meant to be used on each and every talk page whether there is a need for it or not. Only when it is needed, see the discussion I linked too in my post above. Garion96 (talk) 13:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

So consensus is to not use them on every talk page. You disagree and will happily continue adding the template to every talk page? Garion96 (talk) 13:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Right, so it really is necessary at Talk:Being Mick? Garion96 (talk) 14:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Core films parameter

Hi - noticed that you may have added the "core" parameter to the {{Film}} banner on several talk pages. However, the parameter isn't added to articles on a per-user basis. For more information on how the parameter is used, I'd refer you to WP:FILMCORE. Generally, the list is relatively static over time, and usually reassessed on a yearly basis. This is essential so as to keep our core article list stable, uncontentious, and limited in number. Feel free to discuss this further with me, the coordinators, or on the core list's talk page if you have any further questions or concerns! :) Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

<br> question

Hi. Here I noticed that you changed the <br /> to <br />. What's the difference, because it appears to do the same thing? Thanks. --Mike Allen ^{talk · contribs} 23:56, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's basically to support legacy browsers? --Mike Allen ^{talk · contribs} 06:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Come What May (film)

Hello. May I ask why you added "Refimprove" to the Come What May article? The sources are The Augusta Daily Gazette, The State Journal-Register, The Christian Post, the Daily News Record and Redemptive Film Festival, and the last is the only borderline notable one. Is there an unsourced fact you found in the article? Please clarify all this. Thanks. :) American Eagle (talk) 01:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I may do that sometime in the future. Thanks for explaining. ;) American Eagle (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Pink Floyd

I can't figure out the meaning of the edit summary on this change [3], "unbolding members (or the template doesnt show the status correctly)". What do you mean by status? If it has to do with current vs. past members, bold text does not imply one or the other, especially since there is not a mixture of bold and non-bold, before or after the edit. When questions about navbox standards for musicians have come up, it has been noted that there really are no rules or standards; the few that exist are found here, and they say nothing about how a list of members is to be formatted. The old version of the template looks a little neater in my opinion, because all text in the grey area above and to the left of the main big white box was bold, and therefore in uniform font. Sorry for waiting a few days after the edit to ask this; I was trying to decide if it was too trivial a point to raise, but it's been bugging me. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 09:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Got it. Next question is, shouldn't the list of headings along the left side, and the navbox title itself, be unbolded since they are also links? I notice there is no advice about this at the link above, nor at WP:NAV which has more general info about navboxes (it doesn't even mention the feature of the current article's name becoming unlinked and bold), nor does the former help page link to the latter. There seems to be room for improvement in the documentation. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 19:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Scratch the above; I just realized headings are bolded automatically, so it's a deliberate feature of navboxes and a non-issue. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 13:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

The Twilight Zone

Nice one placing that on New Year's Eve. To me it seems perfect for showing that a new world begins just after. Simply south (talk) 12:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I hope you have a good Christmas and New Year too. Simply south (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

New guidelines for MOTD

Please check out this new guideline. I picked up pieces from the MOTD pages and added some rules of my own. Please comment on its talk page or WT:MOTD. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 06:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Re:

Thank you {{Talkback|tide rolls}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Same for you!

		The MOTD Barnstar
		You certainly deserve one, since you nominate neat mottos all the time! Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse 13:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkheader + WPBS

Hi. I noticed the work you do to assess films and tidy talk pages. I would like to write you 2-3 things mainly as an advice:

• Not all talk pages need {{talk header}}. Better add it only to those which you think are visited by a lot of viewers and/or to those who have a lot of forum-like messages
• Better use {tl|talk header}} instead of "talkheader" (add a space between) to make it easier to read for other editors
• For the same reason add WikiProjectBannerShell instead of WPBS. Certainly don't do this! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I've also notice your additions of Talk page headers . Please remember that {{Talk header}} should not be automatically added to talk pages. It should only be added to talk pages that have a clear need for it. Also, The banner shell should not be added if there are only a couple of project banners on a talk page. Even with three banners its use is marginal and probably best left alone. —Farix (t | c) 19:05, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

MOTD

Don't worry, the project is not mandatory. Just help when you can or want to. Simply south (talk) 11:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

MOTD

whoa. You definitely was faster than be at approving mottos. Never thought love and lost was already done, LOL and :) Kayau Voting IS evil 10:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

{{talkback|Kayau}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Mick Jones

I'd suggest holding off on those adjustments to Mick Jones links. I don't think the move is going to stand. Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/Current_requests|Category:Bauhaus (band)|ts=16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Book:Louis Armstrong

Hi, thanks for creating Book:Louis Armstrong. However, as of now, no one knows it exists, so it would be a good idea to go on relevant Louis-Armstrong-related pages and add in the See also or External links sections. This way, other people will be able to read this book. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 08:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Same for Book:Johnny Cash. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 08:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

And probably the same for all these. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 08:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

It is my intention to do it, but there are some problems with some redirected pages, and I would like to fix all of them before. Anyway, thank you so much for your message. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:17, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Book:Louis Armstrong and Book:Johnny Cash are problem-free as far as I can tell. No redirects or anything like that. Other books may still have some problems (see their talk pages for how to fix them).Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 09:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I added both books to the External links sections in the relative pages. I will do the same for all other books I created very soon. Once again, thank you. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

BTW, good work on finding these books covers and fixing problems as you came across them. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:33, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so very much! I think that this idea of collecting articles into books is really great. Time permitting, I hope to contribute to creating new books and fixing problems on already existing books. There are some issues to sort out. It would be great if we could include only parts/sections of an article. For example, to skip an entire section when it contains the link to the main article about it, so we cold be able to insert the main article into the book, and then return to the next section of the previous article... and so on. I have other ideas more or less useful and more or less feasible. Maybe one day I will write something about these ideas on the WikiProject related to books. Cheers! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

By the way, it's become pretty standard to link the book in the relevant navbox (such as in {{Lady Gaga}}), and it's much effort than placing {{Wikipedia-Books}} in zillions of articles. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 17:58, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

MOTD Problem

The Motto that I suggested, this one, was copied to the specials section, and the one you approved was meant to be ignored, unless the other failed. And of course, I didn't catch it. Before you closed the one that you did, that motto already was scheduled to be on May 25, Towel Day. Since mottos supposedly can't be reused, can this one not be on Towel Day now? Or do we just get to all hope that nobody notices? :) Hi878 (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

MOTD Problem – Talkback

{{Talkback|User talk:Hi878}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi878 (talk) 16:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

{{Talkback|User talk:Hi878}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Me again. :) Hi878 (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

{{Talkback|User talk:Hi878}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 26 April 2010 (UTC)
And again. :) Hi878 (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

{{Talkback|User talk:Hi878}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Yet agin. :) Hi878 (talk) 05:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Link Ideas

I've come up with a link idea. Go and tell me what you think. Hi878 (talk) 02:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I have a question, it's in the specials section. I'd appreciate an answer. Hi878 (talk) 19:23, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I meant the question was in the specials section. :) Reply here, I'm watching you page. Hi878 (talk) 18:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know about the colon at the beginning... And I've decided that I don't like it, so I'll just remove that. Reply Here, because I have your page watched. Hi878 (talk) 22:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I just had the perfect link idea. Go check it out. REPLY HERE, not on my talk page, please. Hi878 (talk) 04:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice choice. :) That one was definitely the best. IF YOU REPLY, REPLY HERE. Hi878 (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm gald you liked it (^_~). While I was visiting your talk page I saw those barnstars awarded to you for finding two secret pages. I found both of them immediately (^_~) but I have not signed the related pages (^___^). I've also discovered about 3 or 4 of your secret pages ~ lol ~ but, unfortunately, I've found the archived debate of the proposed deletion of your 5+1 hidden pages :(! ... WTF! This world is full of people who have nothing better to do! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Damerung's secret pages weren't too terribly hard to find, I must admit. However, I only found the class-4 one because of the page history. :) You should sign them, you'll feel important when you get the barnstars. :) You should sign mine, too, see if you got the right one. Anyhoo, I'm glad we could figure this whole MoTD thing out. Hi878 (talk) 01:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

(^___^) pay attention that one of your pages is not blank! ~ ROFLMAO –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't do that. Believe it or not, I call that vandalism. Sign the pages, or stay away. And if you do sign the pages, there are instructions at the top of the page that you apparently didn't see. Hi878 (talk) 04:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry that I snapped at you. Your signature didn't a[[ear in any way, so I thought you were just adding that. All that could be seen when I highlighted everything was the ROFLMAO,so I got a bit mad about it... And blanking the "Wrong Seret Page" template added to that idea. I saw it, but apparently forgot to undo it. Anyhoo, sorry for snapping at you, just please don't do that. IF YOU REPLY, REPLY HERE, I HAVE YOUR TALK PAGE WATCHED Hi878 (talk) 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries (^___^)
I was reading the class-1-6 tips on Damërung's page and I thought to do that (^___^) Unfortunately I'm new to this kind of thing (the secret pages) /o\
Anyway, it's very simple, just use the display CSS property inline in a HTML element and set it to none:
<div style="display: none">hidden text</div>

Have a great Sunday –pjoef (talk • contribs) 22:40, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Still Saturday here, and will be for 5 more hours. :) If you want, sign my pages. Damerung has inspired me to make mine harder. However, I want to find his class-5 first. Then I'll have even more ideas! :) Hi878 (talk) 01:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it is on another wikipedia or on another Wikimedia projects, but I had not time to find it out.
And, yes it was Saturday here too (^___^).

HaPpY MoThEr&#146;s DaY!!!

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, come on, put the tag back... :) Hi878 (talk) 17:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I have not removed it because I do not want to be tagged, but because it falls over the navigation panel at the top of my pages. As soon as I find a solution and get it working, I will put it back. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. :) Hi878 (talk) 18:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Alan Vega birthdate

As you may know Alan Vega's birthdate is currently listed as 1948. There appears to conflicting evidence - the official book - versus the currently sourced Blast First Press Release. I'm trying to build consensus for a change. Please add comments on Talk :Alan Vega. Thanks. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

		WP:FILM Barnstar
		This is to acknowledge and thank you for your participation in tagging and assessing 2,650 articles in WP:FILMS' Tag & Assess Drive 2009-2010. You have helped to ensure our project has a better idea of the articles under our scope. I appreciate your efforts in further helping the project! --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 21:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Second place

		WP:FILM Silver Wiki
		Additional thanks go to your efforts as you reviewed the second most amount of articles during the drive. This is a great feat, and I do thank your for taking the time to review so many articles. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 21:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Your page has been conquered by the Earth Cabal!

Hello. I am here to inform you that your userpage or talk page has been conquered by the Earth Cabal. Please don’t panic; there is nothing you can do about it. You are hereby invited to join the Cabal, and help conquer other pages for our cause. See User:Hi878/Earth Cabal for more information. Thank you, have a nice, irregular weather day, and welcome to Earth. Hi878 (talk) 04:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't like it so very much —could you try to move it to 0px from the top?— but this page has been tagged (and conquered) by the "Earth Cabal" again (^__^). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

MOTD Invites

{{User:IBen/TB|Mono|ts=02:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)}} moɳo 02:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey! You sent me a message about the motto of the day, but I don't know what the topic is about the motto. Is it just random? ActivExpression^Sign! 22:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

MOTD – How you can help?

You can review and comment the nominations in the following sections: In review and Specials. The second section is for mottos/nominations for a specific date, but the most of the nominations go in WP:MOTD/N/IR. The discussion process is the same as on Featured picture candidates. If you approve or oppose a nomination, just write Support or Oppose followed by your reasons. You can also suggest changes to improve the existing nominations. If you have an idea for a new motto place your suggestions on those sections for review and consideration, and follow the instructions there for the correct procedure on how to do this. A nomination should be not approved if it has been used before, and it's also a good idea to create a set of links that points to Help, WikiProjects, Policies, Guidelines, Essays pages and NOT TO ARTICLES IN THE MAINSPACE (The encyclopedia part of Wikipedia.) For more information, please see Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Guidelines. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Support MOTD

Hello, Motto of the Day is currently running out of mottos and therefore we would appreciate your support in this project. Please suggest new mottos or support for others at Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review. If you have any ideas for mottos on a special date or anniversary, or you are interested in what other ones of thdse there are please see Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials. Thank you for your time. Simply south (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

MOTD: Hiding Q

Are you hiding from us? There have been thirteen nominations since you last nominated one. :) Hi878 (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

No, I am not hiding from you (^___^). Usually, I nominate a couple of quotes and do all the work for the discussions, approval and archive processes once a week on every Tuesday or so. But, in the last three weeks I had to be back on the approval process again and again, and in a couple of times I had to approve a motto for the same day in which it has been scheduled. So, on May 13, I have decided to invite some editors, who placed —and are proudly showing— a MOTD's template on their user/user talk pages, to join our project for revamping it. Now that things seem to be going well and it is all clear, I think I will return to my weekly job (^___^). However, yesterday I was pretty busy, but I remain at your disposal. All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

If you are wondering about the above message, it was sent out to almost everyone involved in the project (missed a couple and did not do permanently retired or banned users) to encourage contributions. I hope this is okay. Simply south (talk) 17:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

It was not just "okay", but perfect!!! Well done!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Should i put it as a standard template (spelling mistakes included)? Simply south (talk) 19:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is a good idea, but what "thdse" is for? (^___^) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 22:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

New template

<div style="text-align: center">
[[Image:Nuvola apps kedit.png|50px|left]]
<p style="font-weight: normal; text-align: justify">Hi there, {{<includeonly>SUBST:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}! [[WP:MOTD|Motto of the Day]] is currently running out of mottos and therefore we would appreciate your support in this project. Please suggest new mottos or support for others at [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review]]. If you have any ideas for mottos on a special date or anniversary, or you would like to provide your opinion on other special nominations, please see [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials]]. Thank you for your time.</p>

'''MOTD Needs Your Help!'''

<small> Delivered by ~~<includeonly>~~</includeonly><noinclude>~~</noinclude></small>
</div><noinclude> 
----
This banner was created by [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] to remind members of [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day]] that MOTD needs their help and contributions. To place it on a 'Motto of the Day' member's talkpage, place the code <code>  {{subst:Wikipedia:Motto of the day/New template}}  </code> at the bottom.
</noinclude>

The template is very similar to (copied from) Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Invite a member. If you like it, you can copy and paste the above code into a new page, and replace "New template" with the page name. The result is:

Hi there, Pjoef! Motto of the Day is currently running out of mottos and therefore we would appreciate your support in this project. Please suggest new mottos or support for others at Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review. If you have any ideas for mottos on a special date or anniversary, or you would like to provide your opinion on other special nominations, please see Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials. Thank you for your time.

MOTD Needs Your Help!

Delivered by –pjoef (talk • contribs) 23:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Motto

I submitted a motto that was approved: Do not delete the slightly necessary. One should not be separated from a group because of little necessity. I just wanted to know what date it will be officially published and listed on the MOTD page. Thanks! Belugaboy ^{Talk to Me!} Y 00:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You can see when all of the approved nominations are scheduled for here. Unfortunately, your motto was scheduled for June 5^th, so you won't be able to see it. Sorry. :) ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come yell at me!)} 04:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

MotD Script

You may or may not be interested in this. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come yell at me!)} 04:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

This is certainly an improvement over the original. Personally, I use my own method for doing that, but thank you for your effort. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Assessing films

Hi Pjoef. Note that there is a bot removing the obsolete film banner parameters (needs plot, needs cast, etc) currently in operation, so these shouldn't be re-added. See the history of Talk:It's a Bear, for an example and a link to the bot's page and the owner's talk page. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 18:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Can't recall the exact discussion, but I do remember arguing against the removal of needs-cast-list, as I thought that was an important maintance category. I'm sure someone on the project's talkpage can find you links to previous discussions, if needed. Lugnuts (talk) 07:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Silvertone (Selfridges)

Thanks for your support at the Articles for Deletion/ Silvertone Records. Too often editors are too apathetic to take the time to save articles beyond their own interest.smjwalsh (talk) 11:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

The Revolutionary Étude Talkback

{{talkback|Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review|→ I'm a revolutionary; money means nothing to me.|ts=22:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC)}} —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 22:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion copied from Wikipedia:Motto_of_the_day/Nominations/In_review#.E2.86.92_I.27m_a_revolutionary.3B_money_means_nothing_to_me.:

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→ I'm a revolutionary; money means nothing to me.

—La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 02:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
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→ I'm a revolutionary; money means nothing to me.

Support (both versions, there is not a big difference between them) + comment: I think that the Poet of Piano was not paid for his Étude Op. 10, No. 12. La Pianista, check out this link when you get a moment. I would like to know your opinion. It's not Richter, Ashkenazy, or Pollini... but he is studying this Revolutionary piece of Art, and IMHO he is making progress. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Re Pjoef Yes, he's making progress (is that perchance you playing? :). It's better than many others' renditions I've heard - believe me, I've heard many. Sure, there are more than a few things I disagree with, in which I will indulge myself by speaking in uncomfortably large detail.

Better right hand legato - he has the hand for a 5-4 octave pair if he wanted to. He should relax the lower voices in practice and work on that legato between 5 and 4. It is supremely important to keep the other fingers relaxed, else the legato will not be natural, he'll hit wrong notes, and some notes won't even sound. Purely as an exercise, he could play the chord, play every voice but the top staccato, and keep the top molto legatissimo.

More voicing in top of right hand - he can do this by subtly angling his hand towards the smaller fingers, thus putting more weight there.

More carefully-planned resolutions - 0:40, for example. The D should be softer than the E-flat before it. If you were to sing this passage, you wouldn't do the opposite, would you? It is ungraceful (not that he was doing that - he was playing them at equal dynamics).

Better tone control by keeping the hand close to the key - this mostly applies to the right hand. If he put his hand on the key before playing it, he wouldn't have that wooden, physical bump that comes purely from a quick descent straight into the keybed. It's that "knock-on-wood" sound that's barely perceptible but makes a huge difference in the end. In addition, a lot of energy is wasted in the force that is rebound, per Newton's third law. If he kept close to the key, he could play loudly with a quick burst of energy and immediately relax (after all, what use is there for tension after a key is played? The sound decays immediately, there's nothing you can do) and prepare for the next chord.

Reduce the amount of extraneous movement in the left hand, especially the chromatic 1:07 section- it's good to keep the arm free, but too much movement is more of an impediment than a help. It throws the hand off balance and creates more tension as the pianist tries to keep things straight. Like Dr. José Feghali once mentioned in a masterclass I attended, capable pianists don't have to convince themselves of relaxation with unnecessary movements. Freedom should be felt within and observed through paying close attention to what their body is telling them. Of course, total relaxation is impossible (else, pianists would be reduced to a drooling, half-awake mess that has fallen off the bench), but we should strive for minimal tension at all costs.

Most minor thing of all - I would recommend not letting go of the right hand during the left hand "solo" passagework. For one thing, it is slightly unprofessional, and his body language shows that he is struggling. Inner dialogue: I'm so focused on this left hand right now. In the meanwhile, let's get this right hand out of the way.

Overall, relatively small things, besides that bit about relaxation - as you say, he is no Richter. If this etude has caused him any pain - even a tingly sensation in undesirable - I would strongly advise him to be careful and start some relaxation exercises, which he may find in Alan Fraser's book, The Craft of Piano Playing (which I cannot link to on WP, since it would be spamming :P ). —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 06:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so very much for your exhaustive and omni-comprehensive explanation and analysis. We can all see that you are &#147;La Pianista&#148;!!! NO, it is not me. My grandmother was a piano teacher, but I have not had the luck and the pleasure of learning to play the piano. I'm just a &#147;music lover&#148; and I like to listen to all kinds of music from the Renaissance (des Prez/Palestrina...) to the present day (Mars Volta). eLi is a very good friend of mine. I meet him in 2006 or 2007 on U2be. I was not only fascinated by his style of playing the piano, but also by the way he is and for his great soul ... eLi defines himself as a &#147;piaNOwarist&#148; ... and he is also a great person and a friend! I am very happy with your answer. I have copied this comment here so it remains among my things and memories, and maybe (and if you want) I would like to send the link to him so he will give it a look. Hope it will help him with the The Revolutionary Étude". I think that you are not one of those "easygoing" piano teachers, but a "sqeezer" who squeezes their pupils like lemons until the last drop of "blood" left them (^____^). I'm kidding. In other words I want to say that you tend towards perfection (on playing the piano, of course), which is a great thing. Thanks again! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem at all and thanks for your compliments! Go ahead and send the link to him - I'm sure he'll be interested. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 21:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Summer 2010 MOTD Barnstars

For the original text, the intro, and the discussion, please see the section below.

The Lists

The message/motivation should be something like is:

This award is given to you for helping out Motto of the day. Thanks to your effort, MOTD has brilliantly and successfully passed the most difficult period of the year. In fact, there are mottoes scheduled until the end of the summer. For this reason MOTD would like to express heartfelt thanks to you for your support. We appreciate your efforts in further helping the project!

Code:

==Summer 2010 MOTD Barnstar==
{{subst:MOTD Barnstar|This award is given to you for helping out [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day|Motto of the day]]. Thanks to your effort, [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day|MOTD]] has brilliantly and successfully passed the most difficult period of the year. In fact, there are mottoes scheduled until the end of the summer. For this reason MOTD would like to express heartfelt thanks to you for your support. We appreciate your efforts in further helping the project! <small>– delivered by [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] on behalf of '''[[Wikipedia:Motto of the day]]''' {{subst:CURRENTTIME}}, {{subst:CURRENTDAY}} {{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</small>}}

Note: candidates/usenames/contributors who (IMHO) are NOT eligible are struck through.

• In review Contributors since 2010-05-26 00:00:00, until 2010-07-20 10:00:00
• Decisions Contributors since 2010-05-26 00:00:00, until 2010-07-20 10:00:00

• AirplanePro (talk · contribs)
• Amalthea (talk · contribs)
• AstroHurricane001 (talk · contribs)
• BarkingFish (talk · contribs)
• Belugaboy (talk · contribs)
• Chzz (talk · contribs)
• Derild4921 (talk · contribs)
• Forty two (talk · contribs)
• HalfShadow (talk · contribs)
• Hi878 (talk · contribs)
• I dream of horses (talk · contribs)
• Kayau (talk · contribs)
• Khfan93 (talk · contribs)
• La Pianista (talk · contribs)
• LAAFan (talk · contribs)
• Malpass93 (talk · contribs)
• Martyx (talk · contribs)
• MC10 (talk · contribs)
• NerdyScienceDude (talk · contribs)
• Mono (talk · contribs)
• pjoef (talk · contribs)
• PrincessofLlyr (talk · contribs)
• Rascal the Peaceful (talk · contribs) (account blocked!)
• Secret Saturdays (talk · contribs)
• SimonKSK (talk · contribs)
• Simply south (talk · contribs) (delivered by pjoef)
• Smaug123 (talk · contribs)
• Sonia (talk · contribs)
• Spitfire (talk · contribs)
• WVRMad (talk · contribs)

Also, I think we should award some old contributors who are now not so "active", but with a different motivation. For example:

"This award is given to you for your long time and outstanding support to Motto of the day. We hope you will be back soon!"

Code:

==Award for long time and outstanding support to MOTD==
{{subst:MOTD Barnstar|This award is given to you for your long time and outstanding support to [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day|Motto of the day]]. We hope you will be back soon! <small>– delivered by [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] on behalf of '''[[Wikipedia:Motto of the day]]''' {{subst:CURRENTTIME}}, {{subst:CURRENTDAY}} {{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</small>}}

• Artichoke-Boy (talk · contribs)
• Chamal N (talk · contribs)
• Hersfold (talk · contribs)
• Juliancolton (talk · contribs)
• MMS2013 (talk · contribs)
• Nutiketaiel (talk · contribs)
• SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk · contribs)
• T-borg (talk · contribs)

If I forgot to list some "OLD ...but important" editors/contributors to MOTD, please add them to the list.

Summer 2010 MOTD Barnstars Discussion

Thanks for your attention. I've placed 11 (eleven) talkback templates on the talk pages of the decision makers/archivists of MOTD and the most experienced/long time contributors to MOTD:

•  Yes – AstroHurricane001 (talk · contribs)
•  Yes – Hi878 (talk · contribs)
• I dream of horses (talk · contribs)
•  Yes – Kayau (talk · contribs)
•  Yes – La Pianista (talk · contribs)
•  Yes – LAAFan (talk · contribs)
• Secret Saturdays (talk · contribs)
•  Yes – SimonKSK (talk · contribs)
•  Yes – Simply south (talk · contribs)
• Spitfire (talk · contribs)
• WVRMad (talk · contribs)

Approved (per consensus; 8 in support and 0 opposed; ROFLMAO) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I would like to award our participants with the {{MOTD Barnstar}} because we have mottoes until the end of the summer, but I would like to do it on behalf and in the name of our project. So I need/want your support and I will wait for your suggestions and opinions about it. For more info and a comprehensive list of eligible contributors please CLICK HERE! (I copied most of the contents here in the above section.) Please, reply here on this talk page (you can also edit these sections, of course, because, if we go on with this proposal, we will use these lists and messages.) Thank you in advance. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the offer. On the sandbox page, numbers are listed beside the names of each user, for example mine is 4 (4/0). I understand that the number represents the number of edits each user has made in a specific time period, but what are the numbers in brackets? Also, do we just take a barnstar with the message shown on the page and timestamp it? I do realize I created this barnstar, by the way. xD Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 14:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm asking all of you the permission to do it on behalf of MOTD. Then, either I or one of us will deliver the barnstars. The lists come out from the following two queries:

• In review Contributors since 2010-05-26 00:00:00, until 2010-07-20 10:00:00
• Decisions Contributors since 2010-05-26 00:00:00, until 2010-07-20 10:00:00

I think that the first number into the round brackets is the number of "good" edits and the second is the number of deleted/reverted edits on that page(s). Please, check out if I did it right or not! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Btw, the number of contributions to the decisions section by person may not be respresentative of how many they close. Whenever I've closed mottos in the past, i do not do them individually but close them in bulk when there are more than one to close. Also, what of other older editors that have contributed to the project in the past but have not been seen in the past few years? Or am i blowing this out of proportion? Simply south (talk) 17:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, what of the deletionists who have contributed through deletions? E.g. Amalthea (talk · contribs)? Simply south (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've copied and pasted both lists from the toolserver.org page. The number of edits (IMHO) is not very important, the sum of 3 edits in the Nominations and Decisions/Archives section and not in the same day seem to be enough to me. I think that the barnstars/awards will "spur" (a bit) new & old contributors. It was something I would liked to do on last Christmas/New Year Day, but I was very busy (as always ~ lol) and I didn't. I copied the list on top of this section... and Amalthea is not in that list. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Amalthea is the current resident deletionist i go to when the schedule has been archived. They do batch deletions on the months, hence why previous months in the schedule are redlinked. Simply south (talk) 19:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Well i thought this was just about recognising people who have contributed to MOTD, especially recently. I think he should but i don't know where he should be placed. Simply south (talk) 22:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I think he is the man who increased my number of deleted edits from a couple of dozen to 381 ~ lol ~ I added his username on top of the firt list. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 22:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Wait, so you want to give us barnstars, but you want my support for it? I can't find a reason for me not to want barnstars. :P Simon^KSK 17:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, something like that ~ lol ~ I could give you ALL the barnstars but (porbably) I will receive back tens of barnstars ~ lol ~ and that is not my intention, so I would like to form & have the consensus for delivering the barnstars in the name and on behalf of MOTD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• This is a great idea. I support it.--LAAFan 01:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Thank You! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Nice idea. BTW what are the ticks for? Kayau Voting IS evil 09:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

There is not a scale or a unit of measurement. The idea is to award all the contributors and supporters of our project. I took into consideration the period from the nominations (25 May 2010) approved for the first day of summer (21 June 2010) until yesterday (20 July 2010). Then I crossed out who did just one edit and only in one day. In any case, the list is above, any suggestion for the inclusion or exclusion of usernames/editors/participants is more than welcome. Feel free to edit the above list(s) and to write a rationale (here or there.) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think this is a great idea, even though it would leave me with two MOTD barnstars. Don't forget one for yourself! But in that case, if you're the one giving out the barnstars then wouldn't the message be shown as self-awarded? ~AH1^(TCU) 14:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

That is NOT a problem (^___^)!!! Anyway, I would like to ask Simply south (as senior editor of MOTD) if he is available and want to deliver the barnstars on behalf of MOTD, and, in this case, I will give the award to him. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea. I'm all for it. And yes, the "Hi878 isn't home" account is mine. Unbelievable that you weren't sure about it. :) I don't think that I need one of them, though, unless you think I need a third one of these. :) ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 00:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

So...the candidates for the barnstars are voting on whether or not they'll get one? Sweeet. Strong support fifty barnstars going to La Pianista. I don't know her very well, but rumor has it she's Tabasco.

Hot.

Sauce.

In any case, great idea, pjoef! I only have one complaint, though...where in hell's bathroom are you? I demand to see pjoef on that list immediately, or I shall play John Cage for forty-eight hours straight. In your bedroom. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 04:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm a huge fan of John Cage and I was on his train, in search for the lost silence, together with a progressive rock band, musicians, poets, actors, and artists of (or closer to) the Fluxus movement. The train was stuffed with loudspeakers, microphones, tape recordings, amplifiers... all producing random stuff and sound, and all under the direction of John Cage. So, it would be a great pleasure to listen to you playing (for 8 hours ~ not a minute more or less!!!) the Music of the MAESTRO!!! Seriously, I think that the consensus has been reached. Now, I will ask Simply south, if he wants to deliver all the awards, otherwise I will do it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I just realized something. You seem to have forgotten about the Specials page. :) Seems I'm the only one who doesn't. ;) ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 17:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it's all encompassing. Btw, i can't really award myself though but i will do all the others. Also there is no top person really although i suppose i could be called senior for being the project's oldest (lengthwise) still-active editor. And I'll do the others. Simply south (talk) 17:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

My goodness, La Pianista! Why did you have to do that! Pjoef was the only one with a higher number of edits to the In Review page than me, so now I'm number two... Sniff... :P ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 20:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

There is no problem with the Specials page. I copied the two lists and their codes on Simply south's talk page. And, he is delivering the barnstars. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 21:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Missed a rascal as it is blocked... Simply south (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd just like to say thanks for my barnstar - unexpected and much appreciated! &#0149;martyx&#0149; tkctgy 08:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I had the "idea" but the decision was taken collectively, and, on behalf of our project, I thank you for your support to MOTD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Summer 2010 MOTD Barnstar

I realised you cannot self-award the barnstar, so here is yours:

		The MOTD Barnstar
		This award is given to you for helping out Motto of the day. Thanks to your effort, MOTD has brilliantly and successfully passed the most difficult period of the year. In fact, there are mottoes scheduled until the end of the summer. For this reason MOTD would like to express heartfelt thanks to you for your support. We appreciate your efforts in further helping the project! – delivered by Forty two on behalf of Wikipedia:Motto of the day 20:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Note

I mentioned you in a blogpost here. If you don't want your name mentioned please tell me at my talk page, not here. Thanks Kayau Voting IS evil 06:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

{{talkback|Kayau}}

Norfolk Coast

Hi

I noticed your edits to the Norfolk Coast db page. It may have escaped your notice but the Norfolk coast does not stop at Winterton - It may be that "some people describe you as a genius" but I think that genius sometimes leads to missing the obvious :¬)

Can you perhaps return there and change it ? While I appreciate that the majority of the coast of Norfolk is indeed covered by the AONB but Hemsby, Newport, Scratby, California, Caistor-on-sea, Great Yarmouth, Gorleston and Hopton-on-sea could get very upset if they are not included as part of the coastline ?

This was something I tried to keep in mind when I edited the db page - it needs changing to become factually accurate.

Are you something to do with an association linked to the AONB?

Chaosdruid (talk) 15:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

And of course the point I was making is that "the Norfolk coast" is not the same as "the Norfolk coastal AONB"

You have changed the definition of "the Norfolk Coast" to be "the Norfolk Coastal AONB" which is much shorter.

"Thanks for the advice, but... ~ lol ~ I've just copied the first line from [[Norfolk Coast AONB|its own article]]" - No you did not. You copied the first line from "Norfolk Coast AONB" and put it in a disambiguation page for "Norfolk Coast".

You may not have noticed but the article "Norfolk Coastal AONB" is not an article on "The Norfolk Coast" and is not about the whole of the Norfolk coast? I should correct your mistake ? I do not think that your idea is appropriate. I think you should fix your own mistake.

Chaosdruid (talk) 17:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Please see: Organization of disambiguation pages. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Why ? do you think that a Stranglers album is more notable than the coast of Norfolk or is there some other point you are trying to make. Chaosdruid (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

That was the reason why I added the introductory line with The North Norfolk Coast area, but that is just a portion of the Norfolk Coast (I did not know about it before.) So, it is not the primary topic. Also, entries should be ordered to best assist the reader in finding their intended article. And, IMHO, the alphabetical order is always the best solution. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding my point on the coastline being more than just the AONB - the reason the rest is not included is that many of them are true seaside towns with beach–fronts made in the classic Victorian style and piers etc as well ending at Gt Yarmouth and the "wonderful" docks (lots of oil and gas pipeline supplies and terminals). I am also a Stranglers fan and have been since I saw them in Manchester in the late 70s - although my brother was a much bigger fan and was inspired by JJB to take up Thai boxing later that year :¬)

I can see your reasoning there although the small point of factoring notability in on that matter can also be mentioned. I would prefer that the stranglers album is not at the top due to the Google search results. I know that the Wiki traffic is marginally higher for the album but I'll let you see what I mean.

Norfolk coast by the Stranglers : Google search [4] gives 36,400 results : Wiki traffic 306

Norfolk coast : Google [5] gives 2,830,000 results (although you can subtract the 36,400 that are prob in there from the stranglers also)

I cannot really do a Wiki traffic to summarise the coast itself but if we were to take just Happisburgh alone that would give 742 and Great Yarmouth would give 5,707. To be more fair we could do one on just one beach in the AONB say Holkham and Holkham bay gives 966 +75

Perhaps you can see why I seem a little insistent now Chaosdruid (talk) 20:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes! Great band! One of my favourites. The Stranglers' album is now at the bottom of the list, but I think that a factually accurate introductory line about the Norfolk coast would be the best solution. I tried to find out something about that place, but I found articles about the North Norfolk Coast and a lot of family resorts (^___^). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 21:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Christmas motto series

Hi! As a contributor to the MOTD, I thought I would draw your attention to a discussion for a possible Christmas Motto series. If you get a chance, could you please pop in and give your thoughts? Thanks! Stephen! ^Coming... 15:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

That one on the 1st January was already a part of another special nom and should not be moved. I have already mentioned this there with different wording. Simply south (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

the Public Policy Initiative Assessment Team wants You!

Hi Pjoef, I got your name from the Editorial Team participant list, and wanted to tell you that we will be testing out assessment metrics in the Wikiproject: United States Public Policy. It looks like a lot of your interests are policy related, and I was hoping you would be interested in assessing articles with the Public Policy Initiative. There is more info about assessment on the 9/13/2010 Signpost. If you're interested or just curious you can sign up on the project page or just contact me. Thanks! ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 16:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for joining the PPI Assessment Team. There is a request for you to review some articles and a description of assessment logistics on the WP:USPP Assessment Page. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 16:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

You raised some important points about assessment in PPI, I responded on the assessment talk page. I hope the peculiarities of the project don't discourage you from wanting to participate in assessment. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 22:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi pjoef, thank you for assessing articles in the Wikiproject: United States Public Policy. This project is probably different than other assessment drives you have worked on, it involves more assessment of lower ranked articles, it has input and staff from the foundation, and specific goals to improve and measure content of public policy articles. It also involves collaboration from some university classes, we are using an experimental assessment rubric, and most articles will be assessed by multiple reviewers to get a range of scores for each article. I have learned a lot from many of the assessors comments and am really excited about the insight from this group of Wikipedians. I hope you are finding some benefits to involvement in this project. 1) your assessments are part of research that is attempting to increase credibility of Wikipedia in academic circles, 2) there is a great group of assessors involved in discussion of what is article quality and how to measure it, 3) WP:USPP is also piloting the Article Feedback tool, so if interested, those involved in assessment on the project will be asked to help improve and rate this tool as well, and 4) subject matter experts are assessing articles alongside Wikipedians and comparisons of results will provide some insight as to the rigor of Wikipedia quality rating.

To give you an update on assessment, about half of the assessments are complete for the first part of this first assessment. I had some trouble finding public policy experts to join us in assessing, but finally managed to recruit a group last week, hopefully some of them will join the discussion on the assessment talk page. Next week, I should have some preliminary results to share with you, I will also post the second assessment request very soon. The discussion on the talk page is very exciting, and I hope if you are interested, you will provide input on the Article Feedback Tool which is being piloted on articles in WP:USPP. Please let me know if there is anything I and the project team can do to make working on this project a more positive experience. Thanks again, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

PediaPress renderer for Wikipedia Books

I thought you might be interested in this. Basically, this would give you access to the PediaPress renderer used to print books and should allow you to review book as they would be printed (minus covers). If you find errors and problems, please report them at Help:Books/Feedback.

You either received this message because

• You edited several books
• You are part of WikiProject Wikipedia-Books. (If you aren't, please free free to join in. We'll take any help we can.)

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Headbomb (talk) at 16:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

WikiProject:The Clash

Hi...I haven't actually contributed anything yet but I used to hang with and work for them from the earliest days of making The Clash album to when Mick got kicked out/Cut The Crap so I know a lot. I was especially close to Joe Strummer; he was like a big brother to me. I was even in his short movie Hell W10. The problem is, most of the stuff I can contribute can't be sourced since we didn't have the Internet then. I guess I could best help in an advisory capacity if you'd like to use me for the Project. Plus I have a bunch of pix.--Piepie (talk) 18:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Very cool. Yeah, it's a shame about Wikipedia's stringent citation rules cos most of the stuff I could bring to the table is non existent on the Interbutts. Did you read Strummer's bio Redemption Song? If not you should pick up a copy. Chris Salewicz did a bang-up job. But I should at least get my old pix scanned and uploaded to Commons. As for Hell W10, it's on YouTube y'know. --Piepie (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILMS September 2010 Newsletter

The September 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Welcome

Thanks for the welcome to WikiProject:The Clash! I'm looking forward to working on some of the tasks. I have already just now taken note of a few articles that should be listed with the project, so I'm going to tag them right now. Let me know if I'm making any mistakes! SteveStrummer (talk) 08:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
{{Talkback|SteveStrummer|Welcome!}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
{{Talkback|SteveStrummer|Welcome!}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey I just wanted to let you know that I am now using the Cite style exclusively! I am working on a lengthy article right now (not, alas, a WPClash article but soon, soon!) and I just cannot believe how much better everything is because of it! It's kind of like moving from a typewriter to a Mac :) Thank you so much for putting your helpful tips on my talk page! They were critical to me for making the changeover. SteveStrummer (talk) 01:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

{{Talkback|SteveStrummer|Welcome!}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:55, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
{{Talkback|SteveStrummer|Welcome!}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
{{Talkback|SteveStrummer|Welcome!}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

PPI Assessment Update

Thanks for contributing to WP:USPP, your assessments are a part of a deeper look at assessing article quality in Wikipedia. The quality and rationality behind the assessment scores by the Wikpedians on this project is really impressive, it is an insightful and knowledgeable group. There is some information about preliminary results of assessment data on the project assessment talk page, I hope you check it out and add your thoughts. There is also an additional article assessment request for you. This assessment set will wrap up the first experiment which analyzes the consistency of the quantitative metric and compares subject matter expert assessment to Wikipedian assessment.

The second experiment will start in November and you will be asked to assess articles and also provide feedback on the Article Feedback Tool. The results of that experiment will compare your idea of article quality to the ranking from the Article Feedback Tool and your input will help improve that tool. I hope you enjoy being a part of this research, I am pretty excited about the results so far, and am looking forward to continuing to work with you on assessment. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Pjoef, thank you for contributing to article assessment for WP:USPP. Your assessments are very appreciated. There will be weekly updates about the research for this project posted here, look for the first one tomorrow. The next assessment request will come in early November. There is a lot of expertise and discussion about article quality happening in the project, so stay tuned. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 01:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Suggested changes at MOTD

Hello fellow motto contributor. Discussions arer still open on Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/Nominations#Suggested changes and still require further input especially on ideas 10-17. Please could you voice your opinion as this is going to be closed in early November. Please help out or even make any new idea suggestions. Simply south (talk) 14:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a last call. Any opinions should be suggested by and including November 5th. See Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 2#Suggested Changes Simply south (talk) 21:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Funny

I must say that when I read "... and (pay attention to the logical [and grammatical] conjunction)..." I fell off my chair laughing! Hailypaige (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Many, many thanks for the exemplary work done on our page. Well done and best regards, Jullian. 86.26.236.123 (talk) 21:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure! I didn't know about ThermaHelm before. I hope it will help save many lives. Thank you for this innovative technology, and all the best for its future.

A couple of "annoying" things:
The article needs more information and to be expanded, otherwise, I fear that it will be deleted. If I understood correctly, ThermaHelm is both the name of the helmet (hey, what about designing a lighter version for heavy-duty works [construction, mining, ...]?) and the name of the Ltd. company. I think that it needs a proper and good introduction (see: Wikipedia:Lead section) to summarize its most important aspects, then a section about the company and the company history, and a section with possibly one or more 3rd level subsections (code: ===3rd level subsection title===) about the helmet(s) and how it works (see: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout)).
Lastly, I want to remind you, but I'm sure you already know that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for propaganda, advertising, and showcasing (see: Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion). So, we can only publish balanced third-party verifiable materials written in an objective and unbiased style, and with a neutral point of view, of course (see: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest).

If you need help... just drop me a line, I'm here and ready to help (when it is possible). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

All good points. Do note that we are simply making the public aware of the technology and that we sell nothing through our website or anywhere else. Once we have the technology ready for consumer rider protection, we hope to. Would very much like for you to add to the article. Can email you more information...would that help? Hailypaige (talk) 19:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

See below –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:51, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

ThermaHelm progress

Hi there Joe, is it?

Thank you for your kind comments.

I understand completely your points about commercial promotion and agree completely that such activity is Totally inappropriate, wrong and want no part of promoting same on this uber-cool altruistic site. As a matter of fact, the owner of identySOL added a link to his site without using a registered account and I instructed him to remove it and he has done so.

ThermaHelm is the name of the technology (think Intel Inside) and also the company. However, ThermaHelm as a company will soon cease and Cool Technologies Limited (established) will be the issuer of licences to use the brain cooling patent for individual application as shown here on the World Intellectual Property Organization http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009095690. Perhaps this link or information should be added? Any help or guidance would be most greatfully appreciated. As we are deep into development and having a soft launch at the NEC International Motorcycle Show from November 27 - December 5th, I am unable to pay the correct attention to learn all about Wikipedia, however, am honoured that you have chosen to create the page for it. Indeed, lives will be saved - rest assured.

Perhaps I should send you our Executive Summary. We intend to change the status quo of head protection for children by con vesting kids to full face head protective head gear and the sales of the adult helmets will subsidise the child helmets which will be offered for 75% less than the adult's models.

Good idea about construction hats. We have also been approached by a firefighter (and motorcycle) helmet company in Germany called Schuberth. F1, equestrian, bicycle and many other applications are all possible. Very exciting for us all. Feel free to come down to the University for a chat. I have some friends to are in the music business from Norman Cook to those who actively write lyrics for common names in the industry and this may be of help to your research.

My contact details are on the website so feel free to give me a call whenever a free moment presents itself (07779000900). Best, J. Hailypaige (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Those are great news! Children are our future!!! Very well done and thank you once again. I had the "enable email from other users" option disabled, but I've now activated it, so feel free to send me anything you think would be of interest for that page and Wikipedia. The "email from other users" option is available from the "Toolbox" on the left column, when a registered user is viewing any User page or User talk page (or "just click this link to send me an email" [max 4.5 MB per email]. If possible, send me the citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged. Books, academic and scientific journals and publications, newspapers, and magazines are the best sources, their web sites are good, while blogs and other web sites are unacceptable. I've started a new section on my sandbox, so feel free to use it instead of the email. I thought of using a reference to identitySOL for the GPS tracking units, but they published the news in their home page only, and I preferred not to use it at the moment. Last but not least, I have not visited www.wipo.int yet, but plan to do so very soon (maybe today, or at the latest tomorrow). Best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILM October 2010 Newsletter

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Next WP:USPP assessment

Hi Pjoef/Archive! Since Amy Roth's out on maternity leave, I'm pushing out the next round of assessments she needs. This time, we're comparing your assessment to readers' assessments. And instead of us assigning you articles, we're letting you pick! The full list of topics is on a subpage of the Assessment tab on our WikiProject. Please choose 10 of the articles to assess. Use the link in the section title to go to the appropriate version of the article.

Also, as a thank you for all your help, I'd like to send you a small package of Wikipedia swag. Please email me your address.

Please let me know if you have any questions! --Ldavis (Public Policy) (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

M. Makeba albums

Hello Pjoef, nice to meet you, just a quick note: i didn't fill in the previous/next albums in Makeba's entries because I am not that much sure we have a full discography. Back when I wrote Makeba's entry for it.wiki i mainly referred to this for discography, but every now and then I bumped into other albums that source didn't mention. There is also quite a mess about compilations, reprints with different titles, you name it. This is quite common for artists who were popular in the 1960s or earlier, and for African artists, and for artists who have relocated far and wide in their lives, and with Makeba you've got the full house. That said, I might be fine with the decision to fill in "previous/next" based on what we've got in the article, so, it was just for the sake of clarity. Thank you, see you! Moongateclimber (talk) 16:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, and I think the same of you. I started with the intention to expand the lead section of that article. So, I have started editing from the bottom... External links, References, See also, Discography ... with the intention to arrive to the lead section ~ hahaha. For her discography I'm using the following websites as sources: 1. allmusic MM discography; 2. discogs MM; 3. rateyourmusic MM (I find it more accurate than the previous two, especially for release dates and record labels); 4. akh's makeba (a great website about MM... I've to thank Spacini for it!) While the first two websites are considered reliable sources, but very often they have (as in the case of MM) incorrect data, the other two ~ hum ~ I'm not sure if they are considered "good sources". The "last/next" thingY in the chronology of the {{Infobox album}} templates now follows all her albums which are already on Wikipedia, and seems to be working fine. Thank you so much for your (much appreciated) message. All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:23, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Kosmische Musik

Hi, While tidying up self-contradictions, I noticed that you recently restored Kosmische Musik from a redirect. There's some discussion going on about re-merging the information, and I was surprised no one thought to point it out to you! --Worm 14:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Third WP:USPP Assessment

Hi Pjoef/Archive! Thanks so much for your help on the Public Policy Initiative assessments. I really appreciate all your help -- we'll be in great shape when Amy gets back, thanks to all of your efforts! The next round of assessments is ready for you to review. Like the previous round, please pick 10 of the articles to review from the list, and it's especially critical that you use the version I've linked to for these.

This round measures the baseline quality of articles before our students started working on them. Many of these articles have undergone drastic revision already, so it may not be useful to leave comments about them on the talk pages. We'll be asking you to review the same set of articles once students have finished them too, so please be sure you're using the links provided so you're getting the versions immediately prior to when the students made their first edits. Ideally, these assessments should be completed by December 1.

I anticipate this taking a lot less time than previous rounds, as many of these articles are quite short. If you have extra time and want to help, please go back to round two and do a few more assessments -- especially on any articles that have only one or two assessments completed. I need a minimum of three assessments for each article, and some of the articles farther down the list still need attention.

Once again, thanks so much for your help and let me know if I can clarify anything at all! --Ldavis (Public Policy) (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

~ I am ready for the next round...! :) Thanks for the advice. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool Help?

Hey Pjoef. I noticed you signed up for the Article Feedback Workgroup. I was wondering if you'd like to help us with Phase 2 of the feature. A goal for this phase is to better understand how these ratings reflect article quality. To do this, we're going to be applying the article feedback tool to page which we are fairly certain will undergo substantial revision in the near future (e.g., upcoming elections, movies, etc.). We can then evaluate the ratings before and after the substantial revisions and see if the revisions actually impact ratings.

Would you have time to help manage the articles that we're putting the feedback tool on? We're created a list of Additional Pages, but there are some other ideas that are floating around as well. It would be great if we could get some help coordinating these additional pages and then communicating with the English Wikipedia community. For more background, please check out this post and the Phase 2 design doc.

Let me know if you have time and we can chat more. Thanks! Howief (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

~ Yes, sure... and contact me whenever you need or would like to. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey Pjoef. I just posted some suggested tasks for the workgroup on the workgroup page. Please take a look and let me know if you'll still be able to help. Thanks! Howief (talk) 05:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

~ Thanks for your message. I will monitor and take a look at the list of additional pages. I hope to be of some help. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey Pjoef. Just wanted to let you know that I left a comment on the Article Feedback Workgroup page. User: Sadads wants to be involved and it would be great to include him. Please take a look when you have a moment. Thanks! Howief (talk) 00:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

~ That's great to know, any help is more than welcome, thanks for the post! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:37, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to particpate in the December 2010 Wikification Drive

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~ Sure! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILM November 2010 Newsletter

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The December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive has begun!

Get going. The December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive has begun. Please get started, as the drive aims to wikify over 2,000 articles this month. We're going to need all the firepower we can get, so please remind your friends to join up as well. In case you didn't know, wikification is fairly simple: just add wiki markup, links, and similar formatting. Thanks for joining; we're looking forward to an exciting time this month! Regards, Ancient Apparition (talk · contribs), Mono (talk · contribs), Nolelover (talk · contribs), and Sumsum2010 (talk · contribs).

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Thanks!

		The Original Barnstar
		For your amazing, gracious help with the WP:USPP assessment -- you've helped make our project a success! Ldavis (Public Policy) (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Expand tag is redundant when the pages is a stub

Hi. I would like just to inform you that {{Expand}} is redundant when the page is a stub per instructions. Happy editing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Very well!!! That's okay, because many people who read Wikipedia did not see the stub templates (they are too little and too small, and, you know, they are placed at the very bottom of a page.) So, I think that being "redundant" here is a very good thingY (especially because readers will notice the banner on top of a page, and, probably, will help by expanding it.) I do not like a lot of templates, but, IMHO, {{Expand}} and {{Expand section}} are the most useful of all templates. Anyway, thank you so very much for the advice, and happy editing! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

/* Christmas mottos */

The motto idea for those between 25th December and mid January needs consensus dtermined badly on which version should be used for which day or even whether the whole idea should be scrapped or postponed. Please help by discussion and determining consensus at WT:Motto of the day/Nominations#Christmas series and Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials. The deadline is Friday at 9pm UTC. Simply south (talk) and their tree 23:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Please confirm your membership

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happy holidays from PPI

Thanks pjoef, for all your work assessing articles with WP:USPP over the past few months. I will have some results to report to the assessment team in January. The next semester should be pretty exciting there are over 25 university classes signed up with the project. Your input is helping to gauge how successful the project is, not just at improving the quality of public policy articles, but at incorporating Wikipedia as a teaching tool and recruiting and retaining college students as editors. we still need you in 2011, but it will mostly be assessments of student articles. Currently, there is another round of assessments to look at the improvements students made to their articles. If possible please assess by 5 January 2011; these results will be presented at an international conference later in January! Have a wonderful holiday season, all the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive Needs Your Help!

Please help! The December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive is almost complete. Please help, as the backlog has begun to climb back up. Already exceeding 20,000 articles! The backlog was down to 19,275, let's try to put it back down there by the end of the drive! We're going to need all the firepower we can get, so please remind your friends to help as well.Thanks for all your help thus far! Regards, Ancient Apparition (talk · contribs), Mono (talk · contribs), Nolelover (talk · contribs), Sumsum2010 (talk · contribs), and WikiCopter (talk · contribs).

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WP:FILM December 2010 Newsletter

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December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive

		The Special Barnstar
		This Special Barnstar is given to Pjoef for wikifying 261 articles, a total of 124,542 words. Thanks for participating, and please be sure to help out at our next drive! Nolelover It's football season! 01:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

		The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia
		This Really Frickin Awesome Superior Barnstar is given to Pjoef for leading all three categories of the leaderboard. Again, thanks for participating! Nolelover It's football season! 01:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

~ Many thanks!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Editorial

Hello! Just a quick note to see if you would be interested in writing an editorial for Wikipoject Wikify, more information can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/News/Preparation. Since you were the top Wikifier an editorial, of any length, would be a wonderful addition to our fist newsletter! Regards, Sumsum2010·T·C 01:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks from PPI

hi Pjoef, Thank you for all your work on assessment with WP:USPP. You assessed more articles than anyone else. I will write and report the results soon, but we have strong numbers that show that Wikipedians rate articles 4 points tougher on average than experts and Wikipedian scores are more consistent, these results are statistically significant. There will probably be mostly pre and post assessment of student work in the spring semester. You were on my mind because I entered your username so many times while working with the data. Awesome job! 69.181.205.124 (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I know that each article needs at least 3 assessments and that the deadline was on the 5th of January (2011), so I decided to do "overtime" (^___^) a day before the deadline to achieve the maximum possible number of reviews. I am very sorry if I have "bored" you, and squattered and illegally occupied your mind with my "username" (^___^). I hope I have been (an I'll be) of some help, all the best and keep me informed about the project. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:37, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

February 2011 Wikification Drive

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PPI Research Update

First, thanks Pjoef, I am in awe of the work the assessment team did for this project. The results from the quantitative metric assessments were amazing, really. Check out what your work shows about Wikipedia article quality - I think it’s exciting, but you’ve probably figured out by now that I’m a bit of a nerd. A summary is posted on the Assessment page and a report will be on the Outreach wiki.
Second, I wanted to ask if you haven’t done many assessments on the Student post articles,I know you've probably done a bunch I really appreciate your work. So if you feel like it, articles toward the bottom have only 1 or none assessments. I know some of the material is pretty dry, but this assessment is the most important one for the fall semester and this assessment will be the primary method of showing article quality to the project grant funder. I am going to try to recruit a couple more assessors for the spring so you don't have to do everything ;) HUGE Thanks - ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 07:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I've done two more assessments. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify's Coordinator Election

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The Wikifier, WikiProject Wikify's First Newsletter (January 2011)

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WP:FILM January 2011 Newsletter

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The February 2011 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive has begun!

Get going! The February 2011 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive has begun. Please get started, as the drive aims to wikify over 2,000 articles this month. We're going to need all the firepower we can get, so please remind your friends to join up as well. In case you didn't know, wikification is fairly simple: just add wiki markup, links, and similar formatting. Thanks for joining; we're looking forward to an exciting time this month! Regards, Guoguo12 (talk · contribs), Mono (talk · contribs), Nolelover (talk · contribs), and Sumsum2010 (talk · contribs).

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Slits, Innocents, all girl bands or not?

Hello, I added The Innocents as all girl band because, like the Slits they were seen as allgirl band, but both bands had a male at times. Should I undo this? Should the Slits be there? Am I answering my own question? Is there a category that they could be in that represents predominantly female-centric bands. Thanks again for all, EstherLaver (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't know. When I think of all-female bands the first bands/groups that come to mind are The Shirelles, The Ronettes, The Shangri-Las, Martha and the Vandellas, and The Supremes. But, they all were all-female singing group from the 1960s. In the 1970s there were The Shaggs, Sister Sledge, Heart, The Runaways, The Go-Go's, and The Slits. I think that if The Slits are listed (and categorized) as an all-female band, then The Innocents should be listed there too. The only difference between The Slits and The Innocents is that The Slits started (in 1976–1977) as an all-female band and then Budgie replaced Palmolive in 1979, while The Innocents had Greg van Cook within their ranks since the beginning. And, what about Delta 5? They started as an all-female trio, but are not listed nor categorized as an all-female band. My opinion is leave them where they are and then see what happens. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify drive

Thanks for participating! Just don't forget to remove the {{dead link}} templates as well. Thanks!

Oh, I forgot to remove it from that article /o\!!! Thank You, Guoguo12!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Mathematics in medieval Islam

Don't ever move books from a carefully selected Further reading section into the References section. I'd prefer it if you just stop editing that article altogether. This article has some serious content issues and your trivial cosmetic changes are only making matters worse than better. —Ruud 14:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

What? You are totally wrong!!! Next time, check it out better!!! I'm trying to clean up that article. Yes, I moved two references/books from the Further reading section to the References section, but they BOTH are used as online citations. So, it is more than RIGHT! Please, revert only when necessary. In any case, it is my intention to group all the notes, quotes, and citations. So, it would be easier to see if there are any incorrect information and sources. By the way, I have not found incorrect info, excluding the Fibonacci thing about the fractional notation. But, this is exactly what I'm doing there. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

The article is full of factual inaccuracies. If you didn't spot any, you should really ask yourself if you're the right person to clean the mess. —Ruud 14:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I read that article line by line, word by word. In my latest edits I was trying to consolidate and group all the references, and to move quotes into Footnotes, sources (in a simple notation style: Author(s) last name, year) into Notes, and cited books and journals into Sources, and they all were linked together. Most of those sources are available online (for example on "gigol" book), and by using this method, it was very simple to verify all the sources. It was a really hard job, I spent about 12 hours of my time on it, and I WAS STILL WORKING on that fucking article. Who the fuck are you to say to me: "your trivial cosmetic changes" or "you should really ask yourself if you're the right person to clean the mess" if you are not able to see and understand what I was doing on that article? Well, to respond to your second question, I'm an intermediate mathematician and an Atheist, so I do not think there are many people who are better than me at that. Anyway, I've reported you for vandalism. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry for having reported you, but I was really upset and this was the first time that something like an edit conflict happens to me. Do you think I am "eligible" to apply for trying to cleanup that page at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Jagged 85/Cleanup1a? I've checked out the first 27 edits (from 2006-02-23 13:17 to 2006-04-10 04:06) and I found that they all are good (or bonafide) edits. Sorry once again, if I could help I would.
P.S.: I came across that article because I'm participating to the February 2011 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive and for no other reasons. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, the fact that you have to ask doesn't give me much confidence. The main problem with these articles is that the editor who wrote them was rather terrible at "summarizing" the sources he found into something that still accurately reflected what they said. For example, could you point out what would be wrong with the statement "The first known proof by mathematical induction was introduced in the al-Fakhri written by Al-Karaji around 1000 AD, who used it to prove arithmetic sequences such as the binomial theorem, Pascal's triangle, and the sum formula for integral cubes."?

Verifying the statements against the sources also requires you have access to them via JSTOR and a (university) library. The original editor based many of his claims on books fragments from Google Books, but that's not good enough you need to have the whole book to be sure you don't miss the context. Cleaning this up properly is much more important than cleaning this up fast. —Ruud 18:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, your point of view is right, but it is also my point of view. Well, I would like to explain what was my intention with that article. I was trying to group references starting from the top of the article and I did about 4-5% of the whole thing. For example, you wrote that I moved books from Further reading section into the References section, but those books are cited inline so there is no need nor reason to include them into a (NOT so carefully selected) Further reading section (it is also too big and with too many redlinks), while, on the contrary, it is NECESSARY to include them into the References section. In the 4-5% I did (and I'm not talking about the wikification drive because I "wikified" the article before the "cleanup-1a" template was placed and appeared on top of it) I found out a lot of inline REF TAGS or citation templates with the same name or with different names but exactly the same content (including the page number(s), volume, edition and etcetera). This was what I was trying to do. When this kind of work would be finished, then I would liked to start a much harder and longer process of verifying all sources (including the "/" sign-Fibonacci assertion, but if you or other editors delete it while I'm working on it, all become very-very difficult), which should certainly be better than some of the edits I've seen there (see [6]); edits that deleted references, threw away some portions of the article based on POV of editors who are not mathematicians, and involved a couple of bots to correct part of those edits. Who was that talked about a "fast cleanup"? I repeatedly placed {{under construction}} and {{In use}} on top of the page and I stopped editing the page when you "stubbed" it. Anyway, there is no problem. If I can help, then you are welcome to PM me, otherwise I will save my energy for something else. Cheers, and sorry once again. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I had a quick look at the article (I have been watching Jagged related articles for some time) and while I did not take the time to work out exactly what was going on it did appear that there was a lot of moving text around which can be very confusing to anyone trying to properly clean it up. If some editor performs significant changes to the article, the implication (when they are finished) is that they are happy with the sections edited, including the most fundamental point, namely that material is properly sourced (WP:V, WP:NPOV). That does not help clean Jagged's POV from the article. I prefer any reply to be here, with no talkback thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 23:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

The Jagged 85 cleanup is based on the difference between the edits made by Jagged 85 and the previous versions, so it has little importance to know how is the current state of the article. If we will find a problem, it would be easy to find it out on the latest version of the article, and, as you know, the article was edited thousands of times and was reviewed and assessed as B-class, and I read it line by line, and word by word. As I wrote before, my current work on that article was referred only to the References sections (grouping and consolidating), so it was not moved any text visible and readable from the front-end, in other words by readers, anywhere. Before the article was tagged for cleanup, I moved the Biography section at the bottom of the article (above the See also section), but its contents remained the same. However, I said that I can manage and take care of the whole process related to that article. What is the importance of the method I use? I know what I did, and the important thing is the end result rather than the process used to achieve the goal, so I think I can help. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

In some articles, like Mathematics in medieval Islam Jagged has written 80% of the article. —Ruud 14:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I checked out his first 27 (out of 338) edits on that article (all dated back in 2006) and they all seem to be good edits. If you want, I can check the remaining 301 edits later this week. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I can point out several factual inaccuracies in the article. I don't know in which edit they where introduced, so they might well be in one of the 300 or so remain diffs you have not yet looked at. The diffs, however are most useful for the many articles where Jagged made only a small number of edits. For the articles where he is the main contributor is going to be easier to just verify each and every sentence in the latest version. —Ruud 17:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I read it all and many times. I think that the several factual inaccuracies are problems related to the subject than to the revisions of a single editor. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

What? Are you disputing the statement at WP:Jagged 85 cleanup where it says many edits involve the undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements ... severe misuse of sources: misrepresenting what a source has asserted; reporting only one side from a source; quoting out of context; inventing claims using a source related to the topic but which does not verify the claim.? Or are you suggesting that this article is an exception where these problems did not occur (highly unlikely)? Johnuniq (talk) 02:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I said and I repeat that:

Mathematics in medieval Islam is mostly well-sourced, comprehensible and reasonably clear, and follows the NPOV policy, with only minor exceptions. It's the subject (History of mathematics) that is controversial. About the Jagged85 "cleanup", I don't know and and I'm not interested at all. What I know is that a good article has been stubbed and now readers can not enjoy, usufruct and make use of the content of the page, and you know this is not good! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Many editors would be horrified if told that a user had systematically added "facts" to articles with sources, but it turned out that many of the facts were made up POV nonsense, and that the sources plainly did not support the claims. This issue is not one of a "controversial topic": it is one of deliberate fabrication. That is much more damaging to the encyclopedia than a bunch of vandals going around and inserting nonsense. Your equanimity under the circumstances is puzzling, or are you saying that you are sufficiently expert in the topic that you can assess that all the claims made in the article are accurate? I do not want talkback. Johnuniq (talk) 09:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I am more than sufficiently expert in mathematics and a bit less in history of mathematics. Furthermore, the period taken into account in that article is one of the most obscure in human history, the Middle Ages, which saw so many books to be burnt to ashes. And yet, mathematics in medieval Islam is not "fully" part of the so-called "Western philosophies of mathematics", and it has been greatly influence by Indian and Chinese mathematicians and philosophers. About the references used in that article, it was exactly the work I was doing on it, when I was trying to tidy up all the quotes and group all of them into a proper Notes section, and to eliminate double citations (I'm talking about templates that had the same values and the same page(s) but different name identifiers) when I was stopped from working by Ruud. In fact, I was accused by Ruud of moving two books from the Further reading section to References, when they both were used as sources in that article, and of messing it up, when I was working on it. At the end of the work that I could not complete due to Ruud intervention, it was my intention, as far as possible, to check all the sources one by one, line by line, word by word. As I said before about the Jagged85's thingY, I'm not interested at all. I think that an article on Wikipedia has its own life. It will be edited many times and gradually with the passage of time most of the errors and inaccuracies will be detected and corrected. So, I think we should not worry about it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:34, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

You did a good job on that article Pjoef. Thank you for taking time to try to help. I can't believe the way you were treated in this thread. I am just now beginning to see what has happened here. Aquib (talk) 01:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

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Charles S. Herrman and stewardship

Mr man1951 (let's chat) 17:33, 24 February 2011 (CST)

Wikipedia:Talk:Charles_S._Herrman Wiktionary:Talk:Stewardship

First, I hope I haven't messed up terribly on the above links. Am totally new at attempting to contact Wikipedians such as yourself. Please forgive my ineptness!!

Dear Sir, You are one of many who have done yeoman's service for Mr. Herrman's Wikipedia page. I have taken a lead in trying to deal with coding that others cannot or will not do (pics, references/citations, minor corrections, occasional inserts), yet I am hardly an expert, as the numerous corrections by you and yours attest! The point, however, is that Mr. Herrman is a remarkable philosopher and the traffic to the page is wonderful given its recent origin. He is coming to be a renown authority in several areas. In this case I put up a page on Wiktionary based on his extraordinary theoretical work in the concepts of office and stewardship. Of course, I may have made mistakes or unwittingly committed violations of Wiki policy. At any rate this page, which everyone who I showed it to thought was fantastic, was summarily taken down, why I simply have no idea. Mr. Herrman lauded the effort and in fact asked me to undertake it because he has observed questionable press on the Wiktionary project and he desires that it gain greater credit, and his way of helping out is to demand of me, for example, to create the very highest quality pages that really highlight the potential for this project. Because you are one who has done so much for the quality of the Charles_S._Herrman site, I wondered if you could offer advice to me for what I may have done wrong on the Wiktionary "Stewardship" page, or perhaps intervene on our behalf with the person(s) who erased the page. And please let me thank you in advance. Mr man1951 (talk) 23:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I am a bit confused. Do you really mean Wiktionary (the English version of our multi-language dictionary), or are you referring to Wikipedia (our multi-lang encyclopedia)? What is the URL (full URL: http://www.somedomain.ext/pathto/pagename.ext; please, copy and paste from the address bar in your browser) to the page that has been taken down? I found a page on Wikipedia named Stewardship (theology), but I do not think it is the page you are referring to. And, when you say that I am "one who has done so much for the quality of the Charles S. Herrman site", are you referring to the Wikipedia page? Do you know that Wikipedia or, more correctly, the Wikimedia Foundation has other projects such as Wikibooks, which is an open-content textbooks collection, Wikisource, our online library of free content publications, and Wikiversity for learning resources, learning projects, and research?
Okay, some of my questions are no longer valid, so do not pay any attention to them. I saw the revision history of "stewardship" entry on Wiktionary. I do not think the dictionary/wiktionary is a good place to put all that information, but I am not an expert at it, and did just few edits/contributions there. Also, the dictionary uses its own syntax, style, forms and format, and they differ from those used here on Wikipedia. I think it is possible to add there a link to the Stewardship article here on Wikipedia and "move" all the great work you did on that article on Wiktionary to the Stewardship article here on Wikipedia. About the Wiktionary entry, first of all try to contact Msh210 on his/her talk page and ask him/her why he/she reverted your edits on that page. I hope it will be possible to bring back some of the good parts of the content that you had put in there. My advice/suggestion is to work on the Stewardship article here on Wikipedia, which is certainly more suitable for "storing" all that information. In any case, I am at your disposal, and please keep me informed about that. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's been a while, but the Wikipedia piece at entry Stewardship took some real old fashioned effort. I believe you will approve the changes. Also, I have recently heard from an acquaintance who said that the article on Charles S. Herrman (that I mainly manage) is the "best Wikipedia article" he has ever seen!! Wow, what a great feeling to get responses like that! Also, I find that some editors turned that site into a book, which I hope will be a feather in someone's cap.

Thank you for your assistance, and again I apologise for ignorance in handling these talk pages. Mr man1951 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC).

You're welcome, and don't apologize. If you have any questions or queries about Wikipedia, editing,... please don't hesitate to contact me and I will be glad to be of any help I can. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear me. Wonder if somebody is taking out a vendetta on Mr. Herrman. I know it is not my place to ask for intervention, but the recent events are so utterly alarming I at least wanted to keep you abreast. Within two days (and less than a week since Mr. Herrman had a serious falling out with someone who tried to displace his lead position in proposing a legal remedy for abuse of office) two of the Wikipedians erected five flags. One of the two suggested that the content wasn't even about Mr. Herrman - well, actually, every stitch is about him and true. Of course we do not know of any animosity for a fact, but do wonder at the timing. Anyway, one of Mr. Herrman's strongest advocates and myself will be sending very polite questions to those two, requesting whatever information will be of help. We will keep you abreast. Thanks as always for your attention. Mr man1951 (talk) 18:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

{{undone}} Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles S. Herrman –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

It appears, in the breakneck pace of recent events, that a civil approach with simple questions asking for the rationale behind several sloppily defended complaints was not in the cards. That is unfortunate. If I understand their comments on the talk page/removal page they will be examining all Wiki pages for evidence of my hand, and they will find several, one of which will be of interest to yourself as you were involved in it. While you may feel yourself abused by my duplicity - fully acknowledged now that the page and recent events permit the rationale to be persuasively presented, and which they simply could not have been were I to have stupidly followed an outdated piece of discriminatory nonsense, I can, while feeling for your position, not only not apologize, but remind you of your office. Please attend to these matters by doing the right thing. You are a reasonable interlocutor and honest voice it seems to me. Let's see if we cannot all achieve an acceptable outcome.Mr man1951 (talk) 12:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I hope my two cents on the discussion will help.
If I can give you some free advice, talk with Wtshymanski (talk · contribs) and try to solve the problem, and eventually ask for the intervention and reviews by participants to WikiProject Philosophy (talk) and WikiProject Biography (talk).
Regarding the sockpuppet investigation, I'm not an expert on the subject, and I do not know if you have more than an account or if it is forbidden to have multiple accounts on Wikipedia. I do not think so, I think it is more important what you do on Wikipedia, your contributions to Wikipedia, and not the number of accounts. If you haven’t yet, please read Wikipedia:Sock puppetry and all related links. Sorry for not answering sooner. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I thank you, Pjoef. My expectation is that those (including me!) who have little knowledge of the inner sanctum works are going to direct themselves to what logic and common sense direct, namely, to place remarks/comments on the 'remove' page. After all, the link is given in the remove tag on the Charles S. Herrman site. Folks understandably prefer simple logic to refined complexity, metaphysicians not excepted. Your higher brass might need to know, for example, that though I am far from being the dullest blade in the drawer, the process of learning page creation and editing was nothing less than a nightmare and that was, quite frankly, not appreciated. I would be happy to assist in correcting all such nonsense (for frankly that's what it amounts to. There is NO REASON to have to read a book or two in order to accomplish what is in point of ultimate fact brutally simple). After the period of comments we will proceed based on the behavior and suggestion of the editors immediately concerned.

Again, many thanks for past and present services.Mr man1951 (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry to see the tenor of exchange reduced to caviling but it is all too human, isn't it? Having researched the guidelines governing notability I now believe you and I are fully vindicated. I suspect you took a portion of what you sourced from the 'notable people' and the rest from 'notable academics'. I, too, observed the distinction and made something of it, with justification I believe. Tomorrow an advocate is apparently set to give a full analysis fully crediting your observations. I am not slightly chagrined that your colleagues went after your first statement, or so it seemed to me. I note also the glib, I might have said arrogantly snide, comments as to the process itself. My goodness gracious but this is disturbing. I feel sorry for you, Pjoef, I have done what places you in the middle and I regret any negativity caste your direction by your peers here at Wikipedia. I also recently read that a certain sort of deletion request, 'proposed' presupposes no disagreement from editorial staff. But now I am uncertain just what sort of 'deletion' we are dealing with. I wonder if you can set me straight. Always my thanks for your impartial objectivity and willingness to keep your offices open, certain and unsullied. I respect you, and for the moment that says rather a lot.Mr man1951 (talk) 04:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions on my talk page (I nearly never learned of it because I so rarely go there!). And then I saw that G.M. entered directly under yours. Nice. But hey, he at least seemed willing to listen to what third party evidence I could muster. Point is, except for the Hartshorne recommendation there was never any reason to insert them in the Charles S. Herrman page. They simply aren't relevant, though they do speak to notability. And after G.M.'s recent remark instructing me to stop offering logical explanations, I decided I should just give him what I have right to his talk page. That was an extensive missive that I hope got where it was supposed to go. It detailed OKC Daily Oklahoman report on my moderating a small event, listing me as 'Philosopher and Behavioral Theorist'. Also mentioned Joe Ransdell's backing of an NEH project of mine (he is the late Peirce scholar who ran a major Peirce listserve and a site devoted to Perice's work and secondary work on him. Stuff like that. I hope it helps. As ever... Mr man1951 (talk) 02:43, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

{{Talkback|Mr man1951}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:20, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Hope all is well. Am awaiting only a comment from overseas folks and even with email it has been bothersome and time-consuming. As I mentioned, I wrote a long list of things to G.M. as I can't find any trace of it or evidence. And, frankly, I really don't even know if he is the right destination. At length I created a file with all the information save one that eluded my best efforts. But because it is a file with everything from images to links and text, I have no earthly idea how to make it available, let alone to whom. I can email it but I doubt that is considered kosher in these quarters. Have you any ideas here? Thanks so much in advance, and As ever... Mr man1951 (talk) 23:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

A note to express my deep appreciation to you, Pjoef. I apologized for the mix-up trying to get information to G.M. I got your message re trying to list the notability material on the removal talk page, and I am unsatisfied that of course it remains hearsay without the actual evidence. I hope it can be presented without undo difficulty given my comparative lack of technical expertise in computer management, etc. Not exactly a Luddite, but none too swift, either. I hope I didn't berate anyone terribly but I must say all of this does pain me, frustrates me and occasionally infuriates me. I just can't get these folks to realize that I value Wikipedia and strongly believe that my work (and others, to be sure) can add to its status in no violation whatsoever, given a moderate interpretation and clarification of the already existing guidelines. I notice a consistent presumption of bad motives, and an almost reckless refusal to give reasonable counters to reasonable facts and arguments. But I will try to persevere and your integrity will have been as or more important than all of my efforts when the day is done. For that I am flabbergasted, for no one else was prepared to come forth. Again, my deepest appreciation. Mr man1951 (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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Public Policy Initiative Recruiting Assessors for Spring

Hi Pjoef, I hope you are up for spring semester. I really appreciate your input. Your work assessing article quality is really valuable and generated some excellent results from fall semester. The assessment process has been streamlined and dates are clearly posted for the upcoming assessment rounds. The Initiative has a lot more classes signed up for spring, so I would like to recruit some more Wikipedian assessors, and I was hoping you could help with that. I think community members would be more likely to participate if they are recruited by Wikipedians like yourself who have a good reputation. The strategy that worked last semester was to leave an individual message on the talk pages of non-adversarial Wikipedians. I looked for people by contributions to public policy related articles and those active on the 1.0 Editorial Team. I usually mentioned in the message what specifically about their work history made me think they would be a good assessment team participant. This is super time consuming to contact like 50 people, but only doing a few is not so bad. Also, I am looking for feedback about assessing with PPI, so please check out the discussion on the assessment tab, and let me know there if you have a chance to recruit some other assessors. I hope you are looking forward to another great semester working on this project. Drop me a line - ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 06:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

PPI invite

Thanks for the PPI invite, it sounds interesting, but I don't think I'd be a good fit. I hail from Canada, disagree with a lot of American policies both foreign and domestic and probably would be too opinionated/angry in assessments (not that I wouldn't have a point, I just don't know if I'm up for feeling angry about American policies during my Wikipedia time, since I spend lots of other time doing that) But thanks again for letting me know about it. Nihola (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Nihola,
I understand what you mean but maybe (certainly) I expressed myself badly. WP:USPP serves as a pilot project for assessing Wikipedia articles with a system's rubric and quantitative metric based on multiple fields (comprehensiveness, sourcing, neutrality, readability, formatting and illustrations) throughout the WPs banner within their talk pages, and "currently" at the bottom of their "front" pages (eg. see Fair Sentencing Act) by using the Article Feedback Tool (home page for the Article Feedback Tool at MediaWiki). It does not necessarily require a specific knowledge of USPPs, but knowledge about wiki syntax, pages layout, sourcing, comprehensibility-neutrality-readability, images and graphics, and etc.. The "required" work is slightly easier: to review c.a. 5 articles in a month / 4 times a semester. Also, professors at USPP programs in universities in the US are now participating in this initiative by asking their students to improve English Wikipedia articles about USPP. This will serve for both tracking changes to the article quality based on the "massive" and hopefully good quality edits made by these students, and testing out the assessment metrics for both the WP:USPP assessing banner and the Article Feedback Tool. If the experimental phase of the project will be successful, this new metric and tool will then be extended to and used by all other articles on the English Wikipedia. In other words, this pilot experiments with a new mechanism of quality assessment and it's more about statistics and mathematics. In any case, thank you for your prompt reply. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Public Policy Initiative Recruiting Assessors for Spring

Thanks for the invite! Unfortunately, due to real life shenanigans, I can't guarantee that I'll be at all available in the upcoming months, so I am avoiding signing up for anything where others might depend on my work, at the moment. Sophus Bie ^(talk) 02:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Sophus Bie,
thanks for your reply. Well, I understand your problem, which is the same as mine, but I can assure you that the assessment procedure takes no more than five minutes for each article (the time spent reading an article). If you'll have a bit of spare time to help (but in any case), we will welcome you with open arms! All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

February 2011 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive Awards!

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Invitation to comment on RFC regarding the stubbing (deletion) of the Mathematics in medieval Islam article

You are invited to comment on the content dispute regarding the stubbing of the Mathematics in medieval Islam article Thank You -Aquib (talk) 04:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Requesting assistance on a new RFC/U for Mathematics in medieval Islam

Hi Pjoef,

Thank you for your participation in the RFC regarding the stubbing of the Mathematics in medieval Islam article, and speaking out against this outrageous behavior. The issues surrounding this RFC are complex. I believe it is important they be dealt with in a way that provides support for further actions in the near future. This problem goes beyond the Mathematics in medieval Islam article, but it needs to be dealt with one step at a time in order to avoid confusion and build a comprehensive foundation for further action.

I need your help in order to move forward. The next step I hope hope to take is opening a separate RFC/U (user) to deal with inappropriate behavior in the original incident involving Pjoef, Ruud Koot and WMC (William M Connelley). The proposed RFC would deal with the sequence of events that led up to the intial stubbing, as well as the repeated re-stubbing of the article when I have attempted to revert it.

The subject matter must be narrowly limited to that appropriate for an RFC/U (user behavior) action. It covers the provocation of Pjoef by RK, the insults and attempted intimidation of Pjoef by RK and others, the lack of discussion on the talk page before the stubbing occurred, the lack of proof of problems with the article, the agreement of RK and WMC between themselves to stub the article, the way the article was initially moved rather than being stubbed (causing the temporary loss of article history), and their refusal to subsequently revert the article.

• Remedies should include reverting the article to its pre-stubbed state, and I also firmly believe Pjoef deserves an apology.

• In addition, I also suggest these two users should withdraw from the editing of Islamic articles and JAG-related issues.

In order to proceed, I need at least one other user to agree to certify the RFC/U (the more the better). This is done by placing specific language on talk pages at the right time, after the RFC/U has been prepared and we agree on its contents. I cannot proceed to RFC/U by myself. I also need suggestions on how the RFC/U should be worded and what should be included. I can write the RFC/U and drive the process, but I need you support.

Please reply on my talk page to let me know if you are interested in helping me recover this article and correct this injustice. If you know anyone else who would like to participate, please invite them to reply to my talk page as well.

Thank you very much,

Aquib (talk) 04:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Reply From Berr (also cc'd to Pjoef): I am an infrequent editor and so, I've never participated in an RFC. An RFC/U might be needed if Pjoef thinks it would help to start one; My inclination would be to deal with all the pages involved and addresses the overzealous editing without respect to individuals (as was the case with the apparently flawed Jagged process). That doesn't mean these individuals aren't abusing a blind spot in the system though. I am simply too new to the discussion and too unfamiliar with the "cleanup" crew's edits to make claims against them personally. However I will happily participate in an RFC/U as an unbiased observer of the recent discussion.

I would more happily participate in a process that allows us to suggest remedies to all pages in question, since at the very least folks cannot accuse me of having an "axe to grind". An AfC listing the pages that were deleted or stubbed in response to the Jag cleanup would be a great place to start. On the two talk pages for math and science, I listed the ones mentioned upthread on the talk page for Talk:Science in medieval Islam.

Regarding the RFC/U, I suggest that [Aquib] confer with Pjoef on how best to proceed, since he seems to be the editor whose work was most affected, being the person who took it on to review and clean up the article (which I don't have the expertise for) and the persons who deleted it wouldn't let him. I only know enough about the subject to criticize the process, and the persons involved seem to be using that loophole (what I like to call WP:BLINDSPOT) where there is a lack of expertise (compare WP:BATHWATER) by placing the burden of proof on anyone attempting to add anything even when citations are properly sourced.

Also note that the existence of a {{Verification failed}} / {{Not specifically in source}} template, used to tag individual claims in an article, makes the entire Jagged 85 verdict unnecessary (to completely stub all pages on the subject, and revert pjoef's good-faith efforts).

Like I said, I'll happily participate, but I can only speak to what I've seen and read in the recent discussion on the Islamic science and math talk pages, not to past shenanigans. And I'll actively second any request for a new AfC (??) addressing all the "Jagged" pages. Part of the problem is that the guy who actually went deleted some of the pages as part of the "cleanup" was a hit-and-run.

I wished to cc' this to Pjoef's talk page to request input, feel free to respond on my talk page. Yclept:Berr (talk) 05:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I would just like to add that my jaw dropped when I saw that the following had been added to the official verdict underpinning the Jagged85 cleanup: many edits involve the undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements...

I would encourage Pjoef not to abandon your good faith attempts to wikify the article, because I think the math article could use your expertise. I do not have similar expertise (as I used to have -- I did great in Calculus II but hit a brick wall shortly thereafter) but I am deeply concerned about the process that would result in such a statement as above. Sadly, my level of non-expertise is all that it takes to guard a stub like an attack dog and place the burden on others to add anything.

I also find it quite telling that all of the persons involved in the "cleanup" are limited to a small group of editors guarding the "cleanup" process for over a year now while simultaneously saying they know more about the inaccuracy of the material and simultaneously saying that none of them know enough to clean up the article themselves. something is amiss there. Yclept:Berr (talk) 05:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Pjoef, If you don'thave time, but support the idea of an RFC/U or more neutral process affecting all the Jagged pages, I'd be happy to participate in that process, since my concern is not the people, but the process which led to the "Islamic world scholarship" pages' wholesale deletion, and treating similar pages similarly across-wiki. Yclept:Berr (talk) 06:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both for taking the time to write to me. Unfortunately, I am not an expert on RFU and AFC processes, and I don't think I've ever participated in similar discussions and processes, and my free time is very limited. I read something about Jagged85 "cleanup" process (but without taking a deeper look into) and I think that he has provided and is providing its full cooperation. I also think that an editor who made more than 60,000 edits on Wikipedia is to praise, thank and reward, rather than "investigate". But, as I said before, I have not read everything very carefully. In any case, we all know that many (or most) of the articles, featured here on the English Wikipedia, get a large number of edits and revisions during their history. My opinion is that the inaccuracies, if any, are "cleaned up" with the passage of time and edits. Consequently, a work of "cleaning", if needed, should be done in daylight and with the greatest transparency and without ever losing sight of our most important task, which is to provide readers with the best and most valuable tools (the articles) possible. I think that as a first step, we should ask for the participation and involvement of all Wikipedia Projects concerned with all of those articles. Once again, thank you, Aquib and Yclept Berr. Cheers and happy editing. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

(butting in. If you'd rather I didn't join this conversation please remove this) Jagged85 "cleanup" process ... he has provided and is providing its full cooperation. This is wrong. Jagged agreed to That the editor will agree to undertake a systematic programme of correcting the errors that they have inserted into Wikipedia articles Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jagged 85#Response to concerns but (as far as I'm aware) that didn't actually happen. Re 60k edits: valuing editors by edit count is discouraged. But if you believe Jagged deserves "praise, thank and reward" for his 50k, I hope you will extend the same to me for my 50k. Re having another RFC, or an RFC/U, along the lines of Aam's deal with inappropriate behavior in the original incident involving Pjoef, Ruud Koot and WMC (William M Connelley [sic]) - as far as I can see, the inappropriate behaviour has all been on Aam's side William M. Connolley (talk) 10:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

My reply to William M. Connolley is on his talk page (sorry William, I forgot to write something in the headline). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Pjoef and Yclept, you are my heroes. I totally understand your positions. I count you among my friends. I hope we all meet, again and often, in the days and years to come! -Aquib (talk) 12:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

All: Thanks! Aquib, not to say an RFC/U isn't needed, but if we bring in the various WikiProjects associated with the pages then the best way to do that is to try a depersonalized approach first, to deal with the issue. Revisit the Jagged 85 issue through an article-centric RfC (is that called an AfC? see, I know little about the admin rulebook) addressing all the issues that have come up post-"Jagged 85 cleanup", and invite the various WikiProjects to participate. This would especially help dig up persons with additional subject matter expertise to comment on the underlying issue. If that fails to get off the ground or persons insist that the old Jagged 85 thread is the only proper forum for the issue, then you can still pursue further action. Not to say I wouldn't support an RFC/U if Pjoef does, simply to clear the air. But, pjoef and I are unfamiliar with the ins and outs of an RfC, which makes one about an article instead of a person easier to start. Also, no one has actually started a (depersonalized) RfC about the issue as a whole:

• Is this a dispute about verifiability, or is it a disputed topic, i.e. a debate about historical revisionism and undue weight inherent in the subject matter?
• If the former, the template {{Verification failed}} / {{Not specifically in source}} obviates (renders unnecessary) the need to stub the entire series of articles, which also makes it difficult for editors to figure out what material was at the source of the dispute.
• If the latter, one possible solution would be to put all disputed claims (if the dispute is essentially an academic dispute over revisionism and presentism and sources can be found for both sides) in a separate section in each page labeled "Claims for additional discoveries by Islamic scholars" wherein a caveat can be clearly stated with the opposing sources. Sincerely, (no need to ping me on this reply) Yclept:Berr (talk) 12:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Aquib... but that "heroes" thingY reminds me of The Stranglers' song "No More Heroes"... great band and song!!!

I agree with Yclept Berr 110% and I am unfamiliar with RFC either. As I wrote on my reply to William M. Connolley, I feel responsible in the incident and I'm so sorry for all the readers who were deprived of that article. In my humble opinion, a depersonalized approach, which will involve some WPs, should be the best solution to fix all problems. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

A Copy of My RFC Request

Pjoef, thanks. Aquib has requested an ArbCom hearing appealing the old Jagged RfC and concerning the users involved in the edit disputes. As for finding a way forward, to follow up on my proposal, I formally requested a new RfC on the page for Wikipedia_talk:RFC/Jagged_85 to deal with the Islamic scholarship articles specifically, including the math article.

Here are my (expanded) bullet points for the new RfC: (note that unlike ArbCom and RfC/User, this is not a request for action "against" something, so it should be easy to get others to help since I've never started one before)

• Is this a dispute about verifiability, or is it a disputed topic, i.e. a debate about historical revisionism and undue weight inherent in the subject matter? For instance, the official verdict underpinning the Jagged85 cleanup begins: many edits involve the undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements...

• [I noted] that an RfC devoted to cleanup of all edits by a specific user is not the proper forum for fixing the overall issues surrounding the Islamic scholarship articles specifically, as a topical matter; because i. Jagged edits aren't necessarily restricted to those articles that have been stubbed; ii. the accuracy of specific "Jagged edits" is contested by various editors -- Jagged doesn't own those diffs, and neither do the people contesting them, it only matters if useful and factual info can be restored; and iii. to deal with overzealous edits in the wake of the Jagged cleanup (e.g. the user who deleted Islamic metaphysics outright ["per" the Jagged RfC; also, Ruud contesting your good-faith article cleanup]) so a new RfC is needed to deal with those articles specifically.
• Similarly, user User:Pjoef who tried to clean up one of the articles writes, "[the article which was deleted] is mostly well-sourced, comprehensible and reasonably clear, and follows the NPOV policy, with only minor exceptions. It's the subject (History of mathematics) that is controversial. About the Jagged85 "cleanup", I don't know... What I know is that a good article has been stubbed and now readers can not enjoy, usufruct and make use of the content of the page" ~~(User:Pjoef)

• If the former, the template {{Verification failed}} / {{Not specifically in source}} obviates (renders unnecessary) the need to stub the entire series of articles, which also makes it difficult for editors to figure out what material was at the source of the dispute.

• The cleanup in [the old RfC devoted to Jagged 85 edits] can continue using those tags, or we can retire [that] RfC since it is based on a user dispute. (Depending on how the new RfC is resolved -- this RfC could still be needed to deal with tagging and verifying the Jagged edits, whereas the new RfC is about restoring deleted content and making sure a whole section of Wikipedia isn't stubbed because of it.) Another reason a new successor RfC dealing specifically with the Islamic scholarship pages and canvassing the affected WikiProjects (Middle Ages, Islam, History of Science, etc.) would move things along.

• If the latter, one possible solution would be to put all disputed claims (if the dispute is essentially an academic dispute over revisionism and presentism and sources can be found for both sides) in a separate section in each page labeled "Claims for additional discoveries by Islamic scholars" wherein a caveat can be clearly stated with the opposing sources.
• Additionally, the new RfC would have the scope to consider page action to standardize the naming of all these pages so they can actually be found. On either the Science or Math in medieval Islam talk pages, I made a proposal which I would wish to incorporate into the new RfC (severally from the rest), namely to rename the key pages at issue, most or all of which are affected by the Jagged RfC, Medieval Islamic X:

• Medieval Islamic mathematics
• Medieval Islamic science
• Medieval Islamic metaphysics (deleted and replaced with a redirect, needs to be restored)
• ... etc.
  (with "Islamic X" as a redirect with a hatnote for people seeking contemporary Islamic scholarship, which is usu. not differentiated from the larger, non-religious field of study)

This has the added benefit of being one of the few naming conventions which all sides could agree on (Ruud, one of the "curators" of the Jag-affected pages, suggested it, the person who came in opposed the page on general principle because they thought it was a "religious science" page liked it, and the persons concerned about the recent stubbing) could tentatively support when the issue was repeatedly brought up on one of the talk pages. It also meets WP:MOS for conciseness and clarity. Only reason it hasn't been tried was because the old, old discussion drifted off into the "Arab vs. Islamic as an adjective" issue, which since got resolved in favor of "Islamic".

Oh Yeah... and I asked them, "How do I start one?" Yclept:Berr (talk) 14:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Music venue page

Pjoef, it's funny you should mention punk / alt rock, which I see you are a fan -- I happen to be involved in setting up a community center in my home town (DC area) which is (or used to be) a notable center of the American punk scene. So a lot of punk bands play there at the venue. In fact, I've been working on a wiki page for the venue which is a nonprofit, but I have to be careful to check my sources, since wikipedia has rules about starting a page on a subject you're involved in, and one of the local editors probably will pick up on the fact, so I'll have to sun it by him, which I'm dreading.

Sorry for spamming you with replies, on the Islamic Math article. :-) No need to ping me back Yclept:Berr (talk) 14:48, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Jagged 85 RFC/U and cleanup has been appealed to ArbCom

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Jagged 85 RFC/U and cleanup and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration;
• Wikipedia:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, Pjoef, since your incident comes up in the discussion, I have named you - as a courtesy, thanks -Aquib (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

• –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

In your account ...After other twelve edits, Ruud stubbed the article and... you appear to have neglected to mention that you removed the cleanup template, declaring IT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP! [7]. Do you believe this to be a matter of no great importance, not worth troubling arbcomm with? William M. Connolley (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

No, no. You know, I wrote about this to you, on your talk page. I removed the banner and declared it clean for the Wikify drive of February 2011 (this edit/version.) Then, I read the "Jagged 85 cleanup" and I decided to try to solve that problem. After some other edits and only 1 post by Ruud (14:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)), and while I was consolidating and grouping sources... Ruud stubbed the article at 14:31 ("radical approach") (my first reply to Ruud was at 14:38). I edited Mathematics in medieval Islam at 14:02 just one minute before Ruud's post on my talk page. I got his message when I saved Mathematics... at 14:23 (and this was my last edit of that article; check out my list of edits 14-15 February 2011) It's all in the revision history of Mathematics in medieval Islam and related talk pages. I have not been "so very accurate" on that part because I think there is no point in putting salt in the wounds. In other words, I'd rather solve the Jagged 85's "problem" (if there is one), rather than "impeach" or "accuse" a Wikipedia administrator for his conduct. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

You declared the article clean, in all caps. Yet you fail to mention this provocative act in your evidence to arbcomm. That looks to me like you're deliberately trying to hide it. In your arbcomm evidence you're pretending that you were just peacefully editing, and you have no idea why Ruud acted as he did. But in fact you know full well why he did, yet you're deliberately not mentioning it. That isn't good faith William M. Connolley (talk) 10:55, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I confirm, IT WAS CLEAN, but I was also working on it for the Jagged 85's "affair" when I was declared "unable" (plus other judgements) by such "authority" (see on my talk page or read your posts), and I decided it was better to let it go. What have I got to hide? It is better for Ruud if I do not mention it in the most accurate way, but it's all in the pages history. Check our conversation out. His "action" (the stubbing of the page) was an abuse of authority, but this is not the issue that interests me. I have nothing to hide. And, if you believe that there was something hidden... well, it was to protect him (Ruud). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

You're hiding from arbcomm (or rather, discretely failing to mention) the fact that you falsely asserted the article was clean. Pretending that you're doing this for Ruud is untrue: you're doing this for your own embarassment William M. Connolley (talk) 12:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

click on this to check there is nothing hidden! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:48, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Just ignore him Pjoef. Intimidation of people who disagree with him is just one of his tactics. The incident happened because you were provoked. Thank you for stepping forward. I encourage you to put this behind you, and please know you are held in very high regard for your courage and candor. -Aquib (talk) 16:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

You're praising his candour for hiding info? How very unfunny William M. Connolley (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Dear William.
The first (not the second but the first) message (a very kind one; sorry if I'm laughing among the lines) Ruud wrote to me about Mathematics in medieval Islam was this:

Don't ever move books from a carefully selected Further reading section (ROFLAMO) into the References section. (ROFLAMO) I'd prefer it if you just stop editing that article altogether. (and Wikipedia? Why not?) This article has some serious content issues (POV) and your trivial cosmetic changes (ROFLMAO) are only making matters worse than better. (POV) —Ruud 14:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I replied to Ruud at 14:38, but Ruud deliberately stubbed the article seven minutes before at 14:31 and without a discussion. This was not an incident, Aquib, but an abuse and a vandalism. (Sorry if I forgot to say this to ArbCom.)

Anyway, the sequence of my edits is as follows:

• This was my 45th (and last) edit of "Mathematics in medieval Islam" (1st: 2011-02-14 11:19 – 45th and last: 2011-02-15 14:23) ... I spent hours there! And (probably), this was the first time I saw the "You have new messages" banner, but I didn't read Ruud's message immediately (As everyone, I was and I am still busy doing other things outside Wikipedia.)
  • 14:23, 15 February 2011 (diff | hist) Mathematics in medieval Islam ‎ (Gandz 1931, 1936, and 1938 consolidation)

• My reply to the "kind" words of Ruud + talkback on his talk page
  • 14:38, 15 February 2011 (diff | hist) User talk:Pjoef ‎ (→Mathematics in medieval Islam)
  • 14:40, 15 February 2011 (diff | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ruud_Koot&action=history hist) User talk:Ruud Koot ‎ ({{Talkback|Pjoef|Mathematics in medieval Islam|ts=~~~~~}})

• I reported Ruud as a vandal (it was) + Admin reply.
  • 15:28, 15 February 2011 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism ‎ (→User-reported)
    

    {{Vandal|Ruud Koot}} Probably this is not the right place, but I have very little time. Please, check out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mathematics_in_medieval_Islam&action=history revision history of Mathematics in medieval Islam] and see what he did. A B-class article is now a stub. I was working hard on it in the last two days and I had not finished working on it yet, when he "stubbed" the page. I placed {{tl|Under construction}} and {{tl|In use}} many times on top of [[Mathematics in medieval Islam|that page]], about 12 hours of my "precious" time has been thrown to the wind and now we ALL and Wikipedia got a STUB. I think it is a "beeping" religious war. Please help, I'm really upset! –pjoef (...) 15:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Reply
    

    This appears to be a significant content dispute. Reporting a good faith editor as a "vandal" is unlikely to be helpful; please continue your disscussion with the other editor. If you feel you have reached an impasse, there are several forms of dispute resolution available to you. Kuru (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

At that point, I immediately apologized to Ruud for my report, I continued to offer my help, it was refused and I gave up. What's better than forgive and forget?
If I may give you a word of advice William, may I suggest you that you do not pass judgements so easily. There's a lot we don't know about ourselves... and to judge others is always a very difficult thing to do. I'm still uncertain... some old and certain things of my past are now uncertain. Please, no vested contributors, no edit warring, but happy editing. Wikipedia is a community. Isn't? Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Jagged 85 cleanup: article stubbing

Hello. You are invited to take part in this vote concerning the clean-up effort in connectuion with Jagged 85's RFC/U. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:42, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

• –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
• {{undone}} –pjoe]] (...) 19:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello from MOTD

Hello. We could do with your assistance for suggestions of mottos and any decisions on current ones. Please see Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations. In case this situation occurs again, we would like a discussion on emergency mottos. Please see WT:MOTD/N#Emergency mottos. Simply south...... 14:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

• –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
• {{undone}} (I will check it out tomorrow.) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikfiy's April Drive

• –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Assessment with WP:USPP is the ultimate!

hi Pjoef,
A new assessment round is posted. This round is mostly starts and stubs, so evaluation should be really quick. WP:USPP Assessment 2.1
The Public Policy Initiative is super exciting this term. The topics are really interesting this term and the student's are producing some really good quality content. Recent numbers indicate that our project is actually contributing a significant amount of content to Wikipedia. There is a group of about 20 subject matter experts who are assessing, but the Wikipedians are so consistent, that I really need your scores to measure article quality.
On another note, are you going to Wikimania? I am looking for people to co-present with, so let me know if you are interested! Best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

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RFC on the inclusion of a table comparing SI units and Binary prefixes

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• –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:58, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ThermaHelm

Hi Joe,

I need your help on this.

I posted: KEEP. "fringe" is not the correct way to describe start-up companies. If they'd been around for years and achieved nothing, then maybe. As far as "offering something new and revolutionary", most would argue that these words applied tightly to a British innovation in the form of a motorcycle helmet with an endothermic reactor that cooled your brain on impact, let alone it's ability to call emergency services and transmit riders' GPS coordinates. The helmet is not "at prototype stage" just because it takes 12-16 weeks to make a bespoke, hand made carbon fibre and Kevlar helmet from the results of a fitting kit dispatched to buyers days after purchase (I brought one and thus know). The industry standard for bespoke CF helmets is 16 weeks from order to delivery, as set by 43.6% market leader Arai. The British patent is Granted it is not possible for "anyone [to] do" that. The Daily Mail don't "reprint" articles and thus that article is genuine. Notoriety is prolific as the are literally thousands of articles on this innovation in the motorcycling and general press. Biker Biker removed links to 90% of them and then claimed there aren't any(?) Odd. In this month's (April 2011) Fast Bikes magazine, ThermaHelm's Halo helmet was ranked the best in a hands-on test of all the top helmets. Just because articles like these don't get distributed on the net by the publisher in order to keep printed readership up, does not mean articles on this products are not marking its notoriety daily. Despite this, a web search shows 57,000 results Spendthrift Biker Biker then claims this university-based, life-saving innovation company has hoodwinked the public by not yet launching a less expensive version and has thus, in his opinion, has "faded to nothing" - despite totally selling out in 3 days of an 11 day show at the Carole Nash International Motorcycle Show in November last year, according to a Cisionwire news release. Hailypaige (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

...in response to Biker Biker's sporadic comments and wondered if you'd mind putting your two cents in?

Many thanks! Hailypaige (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

• {{undone}} (17–18 April 2011) (wlink) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Easter Motto

I put in an idea for an Easter motto, but we need to decide quickly! We only have 2.5 hours left. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 20:35, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you liked it. :) ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 22:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

New Assessment for article improvements with PPI

hi Pjoef,
Another assessment round is posted. This round is the follow-up to the previous assessment, so it should reflect some big improvements to the articles. WP:USPP Post Assessment 2.1
There is a group of about 25 subject matter experts who are assessing, and last week I sent them a tutorial video on how to leave comments on talk pages. So if you see any newcomers on the discussion pages, please help me welcome them.
You are doing a really amazing job, in fact, here at WMF, we are using your ratings as the “gold standard” to test the Article Feedback Tool and see how well it works. I will be presenting lots of research in the coming months. Thank You! Best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

MOTD's State of Emergency + 1st of May's Motto

{{talkback|Martyx}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

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Talkback (2011-05-03)

{{talkback|Mr. Stradivarius|Mother's Day 2011 or 2012|ts=13:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Talkback (2011-05-04)

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MOTD

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Thanks, it was my pleasure and I hope I was of some help. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:05, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) has given you a pie! Pies promote the kind of hearty eating that puts a smile on your face and a sustaining meal in your stomach. Hopefully this pie has made your day better. Spread the goodness by giving someone else a pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy eating! Pjoef, you went went above and beyond again, thank you very much. Spread the goodness of pie by adding {{subst:Wikipie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Your work is very appreciated. There will be just 2 more assessment rounds for spring! ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so very much, the pie was very yummy and well enjoyed!!! It was my pleasure and I hope I was of some (and I am always more than happy to) help. All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The Wikifier: March 2011

The Wikifier Your Wikification Newsletter – Volume I, Issue II, March 2011 From the editor • General news Membership • February drive results To assist with preparing the newsletter, please visit the newsroom. Past editions may be viewed here.

Hello Wikifiers! Sorry this Newsletter is late, It should have gone out a month ago. I've been very busy in real life and didn't have time to get over to the newsletter. In this edition of the Newsletter, we have an editorial written by our new executive coordinator; Guoguo12. Guoguo12 has succeeded Mono due to an indefinite wikibreak. We also have the results of the February and March Mini drives. Happy Wikifying, Sumsum2010, the assistant coordinator of WikiProject Wikify

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Wikify at 01:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC).

WP:USPP Spring Assessment 3

hi Pjoef,

Thanks for helping with assessment! There is a new assessment posted here. There are 25 articles in both this assessment and the next/final assessment. There was a huge amount of content that got added this term, hopefully the randomly selected articles will show it to be high quality. You should see some results form the assessments in the coming months. BTW, I used one of your quotes and added it to my email signature. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 19:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Amy. I hope you are fine. Yes, I will do it from now on. Take care and all the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

June 2011 Wikification Drive

Sumsum2010·T·C 04:13, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:FILM May 2011 Newsletter

The May 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia Board of Trustees Election, 2011

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–pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Last Public Policy Initiative Assessment!!!

hi Pjoef,

We finally made it, this is the last assessment request for the Public Policy Initiative! I was really impressed with the content the students developed this term, I hope you enjoyed it too. The last set of articles are at Student Post 2.2. I will keep you updated on results and publications. Thanks ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 05:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank You! Pjoef, your assessments made a big contribution toward quality evaluation. I will keep you posted on the research and results that come out in the coming months. All the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 16:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) has given you a cupcake! Cupcakes promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cupcake, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. †

Many-many ThAnKs!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify Discussion Invitation

Sumsum2010·T·C 23:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:25, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:FILM June 2011 Newsletter

The June 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. We are also seeking new members to assist in writing the newsletter, if interested please leave a note on the Outreach department's talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:45, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

About the MotD Project

Moved discussion to Wikipedia_talk:Motto_of_the_day#About_the_MotD_Project.
You all are more than welcome here, but I think that Motto of the day is the right place to discuss about MOTD. Anyway, thank you That Ole Cheesy Dude for your proposal regarding MOTD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify Drive Awards!

		The WikiProject Wikify Badge
		This Wikify badge is given to Pjoef for appearing on the leaderboard in the June 2011 Wikification drive. Again, thanks for participating. Sumsum2010·T·C 22:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

		The Wikilink Barnstar
		This Wikilink Barnstar is given to Pjoef for wikifying 150 articles in the June 2011 Wikification drive. Again, thanks for participating. Sumsum2010·T·C 22:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Many, many thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Cupcake

Thank you. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 14:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Bubble tea? Never heard of it although it looks a lot like a milkshake. I must enjoy it sometime.

Here have this:

. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 17:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

It tastes yummy. Yummy yummy yummy!!! Thanks!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

PPI Assessment research gets some attention!

hi Pjoef,

I wanted to let you know that FactCompany.com reported the Public Policy Initiative research. They noticed all of our hard work on article quality assessment! And, I presented some preliminary results of the Public Policy Initiative today at the Wikipedia in Higher Education Summit; it was very well received by academics. They were impressed with the rigor of the research and that is due in large part to your efforts. So yet again, Thank YOU! I will keep you posted as I continue to get the results out there. Also, if you would like a token of appreciation (aka Wikipedia swag) send me an email (aroth@wikimedia.org) and I will get a package out to you later this month. all the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 02:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Ghandi template

You have been adding a Ghandi template to multiple articles with no apparent connection to Ghandi am I missing something?Teapotgeorge^Talk 19:29, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Please, see this. Thank you! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks... all understood now cheersTeapotgeorge^Talk 12:19, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

<s>{{tb|User_talk:Adamrce|Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary...}}</s> ~ AdvertAdam ^talk 22:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

PPI Summit Research Results

Hi Pjoef,

Here is a brief summary of the results that I presented at the Wikipedia in Higher Education Summit. Unless you request otherwise, I will keep you posted as the research results come out. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 22:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

FUI

This is just a reminder. If a motto has been used multiple times it should be under or added to Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Frequently used ideas. Simply south...... improving for 5 years So much for ER 08:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, I know that page. Did I forget to add one? There is a nomination that has been used before, but I was waiting for comments from all other contributors. Thanks for the reminder. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

August 2011 Wikification Drive

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:FILM July 2011 Newsletter

The July 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. We are also seeking new members to assist in writing the newsletter, if interested please leave a note on the Outreach department's talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

reply Imj

I invite you to this discussion [8] Pass a Method talk 02:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

{{doing}} –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify's August Newsletter

The Wikifier Your Wikification Newsletter – Volume I, Issue IV, October 2011 Front Cover • From the editor • General news Membership • August drive results To assist with preparing the newsletter, please visit the newsroom. Past editions may be viewed here.

Special Nomination for September 11-Talkback

{{talkback|Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials|→ Sit tibi terra levis ("May the earth rest lightly on you")|ts=05:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)}} I have relisted one nomination you have been involved with. Input is welcomed Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia Referendum 2011 Image filter referendum

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August Wikification Drive barnstars

		The WikiProject Wikify Badge
		This Wikification badge is given to Pjoef for their fifth-place appearance on the leaderboard in the August 2011 Wikification drive. Congratulations! Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	This Working Wikipedian's Barnstar is also given to Pjoef for completing 36 articles in the August 2011 Wikification drive. Thanks, and keep up the great work! Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Garageland (song)

Hi Pjoef! I noticed that you created Garageland (song), and put a redirect to The Clash (album).

I have created a draft for the page Garageland (song), currently a draft at User:Benzband/Garageland. It doesn't have a great deal of stuff, but i thought it might do, just so people who like the song/are interested in it can visit an independent page and maybe expand it. Could you please visit my "draft" and tell me if it's ok to put instead of your redirect?

Thanks. Benzband (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

→ –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for all the information! I'm working on it. Benzband (talk) 18:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Right, thanks. I have done what you suggested (looks good to me!). By the way i really don't mind if ever you take a look and fix things up : please do! Benzband (talk) 19:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I will do! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I saw you had a look at the page. Thanks for the advice! (and all the material :). I shall be bashing this lot into shape within the next two days or so… rock on! - Benzband (talk) 17:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Joe! (is it joe?) I've come seeking help. I moved the Appearances (other) and Covered by sections to the talk page for further editing. I don't quite understand them. Are they just a list of appearances/covers by bands other than The Clash? if so, can i merge the two lists? or are they something more?

Oh, and thanks for all the work that you put into Garageland… you really have made it AWESOME  :) - Benzband (talk) 19:31, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Should we let User:Benzband/Garageland into the main namespace? It can still be improved there, with the advantage that more editors might take an interest in it. Benzband (talk) 16:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll notify you when i move it, but first i thought i'd get the DYK right. How about: Did you know…

...that NME critic Charles Shaar Murray once said of The Clash that they ought to be "returned to the garage with the engine running", prompting them to write the song Garageland?

There are 179 characters but i'm not sure this is an as a good nomination as my wholly biased instinct made it first seem… if you happen to think of anything please say so because it can surely work. - Benzband (talk) 18:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I have removed "Garagelanders". I am just awaiting admin response for the move (i have requested it as i cannot move to a page already with contents. - Benzband (talk) 18:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Move completed! Garageland (song) is now an article! Benzband (talk) 18:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, great sample! (from a great song) ~ Benzband (talk) 16:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Lang la

What is Template:Lang la? Simply south...... creating lakes for 5 years 15:39, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:FILM September 2011 Newsletter

The September 2011 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. —Erik (talk | contribs) 16:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Motto of the Day Motto Shop

Hello! My name is Belugaboy, and by now, you and I both have heard of the Motto Shop, and if not, there's a Motto Shop! It's an exclusive place where users can get their own motto to live by on the wiki. It's great, but we're really running slow, in fact, we haven't seen a customer in months. So we thought YOU, the contributors to Motto of the Day, could spread the word to your WikiFriends, heck, order yourself one, whether you have or haven't before. Thank you and warm regards to all of you!

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Belugaboy (talk) at 15:33, 3 October 2011 (UTC).

WikiProject Wikify's October Newsletter

The Wikifier Your Wikification Newsletter – Volume I, Issue IV, October 2011 Front Cover • From the editor • General news Membership • August drive results To assist with preparing the newsletter, please visit the newsroom. Past editions may be viewed here.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Wikify at 16:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC).

MoTD

I tweaked AfD helper to work on MoTD, (see User:Σ/Testing facility/Foobar.js) and I thought you might want to try it.

Feedback is welcome. Thanks, →Στc. 07:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Motto Shop

No, no, no, thank YOU! We were quickly fading into the dust and it's nice to have some legitimate hope. Belugaboy^{cup of tea?} 20:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikification of Maroroy, Daraga, Albay

I'm not about this, but why did you claim to have wikified Maroroy, Daraga, Albay when in fact you just made it a redirect? Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 10:21, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge

You have propossed the Merge of Gina Del Rosario and her sister, I haven't seeen something like this in wikipedia, the article from the twins Del Rosario, seriously. Are you going to add some reasons for the merge in the apropiate discussion? Oscar 12:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

There is always a first time to everything. Anyway, Gina and Ginette, well, I thought they were the same person. Thanks for the notice, I removed the {{Merge}} templates from those pages, and added a line about that to both lead sections. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

2011 WikiProject Film coordinator election

Voting for WikiProject Film's October 2011 project coordinator election has started. We are aiming to select five coordinators to serve for the next year; please take a moment from editing to vote here by October 29! Erik (talk | contribs) 12:05, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!

Wilhelmina Will has given you some caramel and a candy apple! Caramel and candy-coated apples are fun Halloween treats, and promote WikiLove on Halloween. Hopefully these have made your Halloween (and the proceeding days) much sweeter. Happy Halloween! If Trick-or-treaters come your way, add {{subst:Halloween apples}} to their talkpage with a spoooooky message!

Cheers! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 05:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Today's motto

Even though today's motto was not a special nom, I still think it is very relevant. There is no point in changing a motto halfway through the day anyway. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 14:19, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:FILM October 2011 Newsletter

The October 2011 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. —Erik (talk | contribs) 15:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Your Motto Shop Request

Hello there. We at the Motto Shop have completed your motto, but please remember you need to select a template for your motto to be delivered in, and afterwards we'd appreciate it if you'd rate the motto. However, specifying whether you'd like an original or quoted motto is not mandatory. Thanks for requesting, and happy editing! Belugaboy^{cup of tea?} 22:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Your request will be completed shortly. Thanks, and happy editing! Belugaboy^{cup of tea?} 12:12, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Garageland

	Back in the garage…
	For all your work back in Garageland… Here's one for you to keep and use (and to help you make Wikipedia even better! :) - Benzband (talk) 17:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Cheers Pjoef! I've just nominated Garageland for DYK. - Benzband (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Ouch! When Garageland arrived they didn't send a limousine… but there's still time for it to catch the bus. See the nomination page and you'll understand :-) benzband (talk) 09:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm noty sure if a line taken from a 600+ pages book (and double quoted) is a copyvio. I will take a look at it. Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Pjoef,

I am a new wiki-editor and have just made this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moogfest I am still working on it, and I was wondering if you had any suggestions for me. Here's my talkback too.

{{Talkback|YoungmanHam}}

Thanks,YoungmanHam (talk)‎ 18:40, 4 November 2011‎ (UTC)

Category:Songs written by The Clash

Hi, I have nominated the above category for deletion as per precedent. I would normally have proposed "split" - please see my reasoning and add any comments you may wish. Cheers --Richhoncho (talk) 08:42, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! [Category:Songs written by The Clash] –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Talkback 2011-11-29

{{tb|Hi878|Christmas' Motto 2011|ts=22:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)}}

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Winter solstice nominations

I just thought I would ask you if you realise you've nominated two mottos for the same day in the specials section? Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years

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DYK for Garageland (song)

Thank you from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Pjoef for the kind message. I surely would be pleased to continue working on it. I also created a stub on the Simple English Wiki, as i've been working a bit on punk-rock over there. Thanks again, and happy holidays too (coming soon, eh? ;) benzband (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Discussion on linking to streamed copies of albums

Wikipedia policy allows us to link to legal streamed copies of albums. It would be useful to draw up a guideline on how and when to link to such albums; however, there is concern that it may not be appropriate as the music would not be available in all parts of the world. Is the benefit of having access to the music for most users outweighed by the fact that some users will follow a link to find the music is not playable in their region? Your view would be helpful at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 02:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

... and thanks for letting me know. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia birthday

Hello,Pjoef/Archive.I recently have uploaded a file to Wikimedia Commons.It shows celebrate my 11th birthday.I'm searching for some New Year motto's compatible with Wikipedia.This reminds me of my birthday; I was also born on 1^st January.Get a look at it here:

File:Wikipedia 11.jpg

You'll have to celebrate it...

Here I have fallen into a trouble.I have gathered a good,nice motto:Be at war with your vices; at peace with

your neighbours, and let every new year find you a better man.This will do it, won't it?By the way,this motto is not coming in the contents.If you can,try to post it.If you've done it,I'll look over at MOTD to see if it's coming.Night ^{Of Darkness} 06:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually could you tell me what autumn, Snoopy, an orange cat and a waterfall have to do with Wikipedia, other than the fact it has articles on each? Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Greetings

Just wanted to send Season's Greetings (slightly belated). We have many interests in common including music... and a friendship with benzband. Also metaphysics and logic. Come over to the talk page some day and say hi. Djathinkimacowboy 02:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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Novus ordo seclorum

In the talk page of the article Novus ordo seclorum you created a new section: Seclorum or Saeclorum? I think you may be right. I'm no Latin expert, but Google Translate doesn't have anything for Seclorum, but it does have a translation for Saeclorum. Try to get some references apart from Google because I don't think Blueboar really cares about it... Vought109 (talk) 03:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

MotD 2012-01-04

I think that this was a bit premature. I put the other nomination under as a subsection because it was for the same day; you should have let discussion occur with the second one before deciding what should happen for that day. The fact that you even considered having that be the motto for Wikipedia's birthday when we actually have an alternative now is astounding. I really think that you should undo the closing of that. Reply here, if you don't mind. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 05:10, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Again. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 23:31, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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MotD-SOPA initiative

Hello there, and happy Wikipedia Day! There's a motto in Specials for January 18, 2012 (in 3 days time), so i thought i'd call for comments. Thanks in advance, benzband (talk) 18:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. As for the obscuration, this occurred to me just as i was typing (well, pasting) the motto… especially as i had just gone and supported a full blackout for that very same Jan 18 (yes, lol). However in the event that the blackout should be only partial or even non-existent, the motto would be visible.

Oh, and i have a suggestion: if the blackout does take place, we can report it to the day after when everyone will be going back to normal :-) benzband (talk) 19:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I thought i could contact some frequent MotD contributors about the nom but only a couple came to mind… i shall see what i can do.

PS. yes, i like the userbox :-) but i didn't notice it until you mentioned it (honest). i have copied/tweaked it into my page too - i think x10 is very effective ! benzband (talk) 20:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, and thanks for all the help. I take this is the formal protest preceding the resistance? ([9]) benzband (talk) 19:29, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou for linking to all these songs i shall listen to them tomorrow during the blackout. Oh, and of course,  HaPpY BlAcK OuT DaY  to you too benzband (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I believe we were possible going to have the motto be on the 19th instead; in the nomination I suggested that we have it for both the 19th and the 18th, so that it is there on the relevant day, and people still see it. What do you think? ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 23:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes i think it's been done benzband (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello pjoef. It seems you have new messages at my talk page. benzband (talk) 21:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you so much! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

December 2011 wikification barnstars!

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Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:Motto of the day/January 22, 2012

A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:Motto of the day/January 22, 2012 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia.

[...] this notice was placed here in error by Marcus Qwertyus 13:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Strikethrough ~ this notice was placed here in error because it does NOT belong to me (I've just followed the Wikipedia second conduct policy ... and, I could not do otherwise.) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

 Well, apart from the above warning, please look at this : Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/January 22, 2012.benzband (talk) 14:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

'°o°' Too late, it's been deleted. This whole business has gotten slightly more serious; see here and here. Cheers, benzband (talk) 19:19, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

After all this...

Business as usual or should we go into a discussion of an overhaul? Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 12:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

(ɔʇn) 2102 ʎɹɐnuɐɾ 32 '35:02 (ʞlɐʇ) puɐqzuǝq - ¡ʎɐʎ ¡sʞuɐɥʇ ¡ɹɐʇsuɹɐq pǝddılɟ ǝɥʇ

(ɔʇn) 2102 ʎɹɐnuɐɾ 42 '95:71 (ʞlɐʇ) puɐqzuǝq - ǝlƃooƃ ouʇuı (ɐ) "a" pǝʇsɐd ı llǝʍ ˙˙˙sǝʎ

(ɔʇn) 2102 ʎɹɐnuɐɾ 42 '81:81 (ʞlɐʇ) puɐqzuǝq - (: ǝuo ʎq ǝuo sɹǝʇʇǝl ƃuıʇsɐd-ʎdoɔ sɐʍ ı ʍou lıʇun ¡ʞuıl ǝɥʇ ɹoɟ sʞuɐɥʇ

(ɔʇn) 2102 ʎɹɐnuɐɾ 42 '15:81 (ʞlɐʇ) puɐqzuǝq ^^ ˙˙˙sǝlɔıʇɹɐ ǝɥʇ llɐ punoɹ, ƃuıddılɟ ʎpoqǝɯos ǝuıƃɐɯı ¡pɯʍ ɐ sı sıɥʇ ˙lol 'sǝʎ

Originally it comes from {{new user bar}}. Also i have updated it using {{today's motto}} : basically i template that saves all the hassle of the full text, because i pasted it there once and for all (also, it is better than certain full-texts if they have loopholes). benzband (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

And btw, laptops have other uses than turning them upside down. Also, i wouldn't even try that given what mine's like inside. benzband (talk) 19:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Why is this called ".CB.99.CB.99.CB.99s.C4.B1.C9.A5.CA.87_ll.C9.90_.C9.B9.C7.9D.CA.87.C9.9F.C9.90"? Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 19:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Viva la Vida, should I add to another date? Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 13:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Its still on the decisions page. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 14:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm referring to Jan 22nd. Viva la Vida by Coldplay. Copyvio, Marcus etc. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 15:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I've decided to start a project discussion on this. Please see WT:MOTD. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 16:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

There is no single person to blame so don't worry. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 17:38, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

English Civil War

Please take a look at this. benzband (talk) 07:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I was pointing out the edit because i didn't know what to do —i didn't know if "traditional" was even supposed to be there in the first place. Also see Special:Contributions/71.246.149.26 : all his edits have been changing/removing genres in The Clash articles, leaving only "punk rock" (which may or may not always be accurate). Please take a look and tell me what you think. Cheers, benzband (talk) 15:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Just so you'd know, John of Lancaster has reverted the edits [10] (explained in the edit summaries) and has left a note on 71.246.149.26's talk. benzband (talk) 12:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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February 2012: Updates: A central location to list the shared resources of our project has been created. If you own any books that you use frequently in your editing and that you are willing to share please add them to the list. An article has been proposed for the Punk music collaboration of the month, as part of WikiWomen's history month. If you wish to, please express your opinion or propose an article at the collaboration page. Benzband (talk · contribs) has started to tackle the unassessed Punk music articles backlog. There is more information on the talk page if you want to get involved. Articles Work has been ongoing over the past few months to clean up both halves of the list of punk rock bands Features If you see a picture, article, list list that lives up to the corresponding featured criteria, please nominate it.

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Request for a look at my attempt to wikify List of products by Dapol

Hey, there. I've been doing a little bit of wikifying of some articles and was wondering if you would have a look at List of products by Dapol and let me know if there's any more wikifying I could do to this article. I have no knowledge of the topic, so can't really add any content or even judge the existing content. Also, I have no interest in the topic, so I don't have much motivation to research a lot to add any more. I've done some extensive research already to find the accurate links I've added.

If you could have a look at the article and leave some advice on the talk page, it would be much appreciated. :) Matt (talk) 09:26, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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	Congratulations! (and of course thankyou ;-) for successfully clearing category:Unassessed Punk music articles, and even going beyond and generally improving said articles xD Thanks again, and keep up the great work ~ benzband (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Ben! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

The pleasure's mine… (old joke :) Really. Good job :P benzband (talk) 18:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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BTW the new punk collaboration of the month is Bikini Kill, as part of WikiWomen's History Month (see WT:PUNK :) benzband (talk) 16:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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Arnold Resnicoff

Hi, I take the point, and have left a bit more in. But there are major problems with autobiographies, and hard pruning is needed here. Springnuts (talk) 08:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Oops - thanks - I have restored the lost ref. Springnuts (talk) 10:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi pjoef, thank you for the work that you've been doing with disambiguations in classics related articles (and the 1,000-or-so others over the past 5 days)! I wonder if you might leave a few wlinks alone in cases where you aren't positive that you're pointing people the right way. For example, in the case of "oratory", it will rarely warrant a link to "eloquence" in articles about Greco-Roman antiquity. In other places a link to a dab page probably needs to stand, the sentence needs to be researched and rewritten or the wlink simply needs to go (like several instances of "canonical", which is simply an English word that should never have been linked in many cases). I'm sure that neither I nor any of the other people who watch these classics pages would be peeved if you simply mass-tagged the doubtful links "dab needed". I do, whenever I run into these tags, try my best to solve the problem, and I know that other people who edit in classics do, too. Still, I appreciate your efforts with these reams of dab links you're fixing. Yours, — cardiff | chestnut — 19:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

And I'll keep an eye out, too. I know you're just trying to efficiently clean up the lapses and laziness of the rest of us, so if I see one of yours on my watchlist I'll be sure to give it the attention it deserves. (It'll keep me honest so far as writing wlinks and make me think, anyway.) And happy diambiguating, to you! — cardiff | chestnut — 20:38, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Ninjutsu

You're changing every notion of ninjutsu into "Modern Schools of Ninjutsu", but what "modern school" for Ayame (Tenchu)‎, a 17th century character? What "Modern School" (Random Capitalization Galore) is for Mai Shiranui‎ and her FICTIONAL Shiranui-ryu? They're all FICTIONAL characters, using some sort of ninjutsu and that's all. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh wow, some idiot blanked this article and turned into dis page. Sorry for "stupid", it's someone else who's being stupid here. OK, I'm going to fix it now, but please revert all your edits (a lot of them).

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February 2012 wikification barnstars!

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		Also, for your excellent work in extinguishing wikifying 106 burning cities articles in this same drive, i am honored to present you with the Gold Wikification Barnstar… Captain! benzband (talk) 20:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify March Mini Drive

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Help?

Hi pjoef, i was wondering if you could help out Fartherred, here on my talkpage. Cheers, benzband (talk) 16:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Really great video (and music) there! And ~LOL~ i guess those were scenes from films but i only recognised Nosferatu :P benzband (talk) 17:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

BTW, you have new messages at my talk page. benzband (talk) 18:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

March drive

Hey there Pjoef, and first I wanna thank you for consistently helping out in the Wikification drives. Now, real quickly, I apologize for not having clearer instructions but the wordcount leaderboard award thing is for actual words in the article prior to wikification, not characters added or anything else. Again, I'm sorry we weren't clearer, but the article you posted only had a wordcount of 522 prior to your work, short of the other submission. Do you know how to use the wordcount tool? I can go through the articles you've wikified if you'd like them to be checked. Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 04:49, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Couple of messages on my talk. Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 19:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

It's an emergency in MOTD

I was quite satisfied with the MOTD, when suddenly, it appeared red linked. I immediately rushed to get one motto approved. Well, fine, that was for that day. Other days..... NO ONE CAME, that's what had happened. I removed MOTD link from my userpage. Hope MOTD stays alive.... Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 07:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

MOTD unwritten rules

Hi there user:Pjoef, thanks for the comment: now -- there is an unwritten rule that prohibits linking to the main/article namespace with the exception of Wikipedia. -- I personally find that understandable in the main I guess, but perhaps we can do better to ignore it occasionally. For instance check WP:CON which links to good purpose to (3) articles in the See Also. Maybe should make this as a suggestion at a suitable venue? Thanks again NewbyG ( talk) 21:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, I have made a proposal about loosening the "rules" about linking for Mottos, but I may have put it on the wrong talk page (having trouble navigating). If you wish to think about it and comment, you might like to look into it, and if I put in in the wrong place, can you maybe fix it? i would appreciate your views, and we can maybe get a consensus, if there is an adequate discussion Ty NewbyG ( talk) 12:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

A MOTD Barnstar for you!

		The MOTD Barnstar
		For your hard work in MOTD, your works are not going unnoticed. Dipankan says.. ("Be bold and edit!") 06:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I have recently joined the drive in Wikifying articles. DO I need to be a member or others can participate too? I have 5 articles (as of 02:40 pm IST) wikified and 25 words. Dipankan says.. ^{("Be bold and edit!")} 09:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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April Fool Motto

April Fools Day is just around the corner. As such please could you nominate a new motto or comment on existing suggestions at Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials? Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 16:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

No barnstars which was promised in the March Mini?

Hello, Pjoef. This is to notify that I did not receive any barnstar for Wikifying articles in the March Mini Drive. I had wikified 11 articles, and still did not receive any barnstar. Were those all lies? Dipankan says.. ^{("Be bold and edit!")} 06:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi there Dipankan. In general, barnstars usually take a couple to get out, just so the coordinators can sort out any possible issues with wordcount, etc. The "promises" were not "lies", but we are volunteers and the awards may take a few days to get out. Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 07:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, the month of March is not over yet and the calculations are not definitive, so all we need is a bit of patience, and don't worry because you'll get your award. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

@Dipankan You have received your award. And thanks for participating! ;-) benzband (talk) 13:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

March Mini Wikification Awards!

		The Double Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar
		These (very rare) twin-Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstars are given to pjoef, one for 5th-place appearance on the March Mini 2012 leaderboard, and one for wikifying the largest article in the whole Drive. Good job!

		The Gold Wikification Barnstar
		The Gold Wikification Barnstar is also given to pjoef, for wikifying 64 articles during the March Mini drive. Nice work benzband (talk) 13:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I had not updated my numbers and I made ​​some edits before the end of the drive. Fortunately, the sum total is: 64 (1 less than Wilhelmina Will :D) So, I took the liberty to change the barnatsar form silver to gold, but I'm still in the 5th-place. Thanks for the triple awards! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:20, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I see no problem, as the articles were wikified during the Drive :-) benzband (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia for World Heritage

I need your assistance in developing and spreading a wikiproject. Can you help me in developing and spreading this page in wikipedia: Wikipedia:Wikipedia for World Heritage

Thank you and Happy editing Yasht101 :) 06:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding your name. I just needed help in wikifying the project page. Anyways, I am working on it and lets hope that the project becomes popular. Yasht101 :) 07:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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{{wb|yasht101}} Yasht101 :) 08:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	For creation of Userboxes for Wikipedia:Wikipedia for World Heritage. Thanks! Now, i'll add them in the list of wikipedia userboxes. Again thanks for your dedication. Yasht101 :) 08:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Those were Awesome as fu** !!!

But how to create template of them? :P I have been on wikipedia for 3 months and have been active since 1 month. Please help Yasht101 :) 08:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but it was not necessary. I'm just here on Wikipedia to help and contribute (in my small way). Once again, thank you. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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{{tb|yasht101}} And i hope you dont mind if I add your name over here: User:Yasht101#A_Special_Thanks Yasht101 :) 14:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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WP for World Heritage bis

Hey, thanks for pointing me to this project, and i'd be glad to help out. I have taken a look at the project pages and created a category or two, it's own to-do list, and a participants page. I'm not, however, signing the petition on the German Wikipedia 'cuz i cannot communicate my details. Apart from that, i reapeat i'm ready to do whatever i can for the project here on en.wikipedia :D *optimism ahead* "…we're gonna march a long way, we're gonna travel a long time"; "but we're gonna hit the town" all right! benzband (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Ads!

Amazing friend, I was searching in wikipedia that how to create them and I even bookmarked the page. But i wasnt sure that I would do it properly. Thanks for the ads! Yasht101 :) 11:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

{{tb|yasht101}} Yasht101 :) 11:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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Have a GR8 1st of April! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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Happy Easter!

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Happy Easter, Pjoef! Hope your day is great! :) Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 10:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Easter! Yasht101 11:54, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Easter Greetings! :-) You've got a postcard! Heppy Easter! xD benzband (talk) 12:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Easter, 1916 by William Butler Yeats

I have met them at close of day
Coming with vivid faces
From counter or desk among grey
Eighteenth-century houses.
I have passed with a nod of the head
Or polite meaningless words,
Or have lingered awhile and said
Polite meaningless words,
And thought before I had done
Of a mocking tale or a gibe
To please a companion
Around the fire at the club,
Being certain that they and I
But lived where motley is worn:
All changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.

That woman's days were spent
In ignorant good will,
Her nights in argument
Until her voice grew shrill.
What voice more sweet than hers
When young and beautiful,
She rode to harriers?
This man had kept a school
And rode our winged horse.
This other his helper and friend
Was coming into his force;
He might have won fame in the end,
So sensitive his nature seemed,
So daring and sweet his thought.
This other man I had dreamed
A drunken, vain-glorious lout.
He had done most bitter wrong
To some who are near my heart,
Yet I number him in the song;
He, too, has resigned his part
In the casual comedy;
He, too, has been changed in his turn,
Transformed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.

Hearts with one purpose alone
Through summer and winter, seem
Enchanted to a stone
To trouble the living stream.
The horse that comes from the road,
The rider, the birds that range
From cloud to tumbling cloud,
Minute by minute change.
A shadow of cloud on the stream
Changes minute by minute;
A horse-hoof slides on the brim;
And a horse plashes within it
Where long-legged moor-hens dive
And hens to moor-cocks call.
Minute by minute they live:
The stone's in the midst of all.

Too long a sacrifice
Can make a stone of the heart.
O when may it suffice?
That is heaven's part, our part
To murmur name upon name,
As a mother names her child
When sleep at last has come
On limbs that had run wild.
What is it but nightfall?
No, no, not night but death.
Was it needless death after all?
For England may keep faith
For all that is done and said.
We know their dream; enough
To know they dreamed and are dead.
And what if excess of love
Bewildered them till they died?
I write it out in a verse --
MacDonagh and MacBride
And Connolly and Pearse
Now and in time to be,
Wherever green is worn,
Are changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.

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Down the Wire

I wanted to notify you that I reverted your contribution to this page. You disambiguated Julio Fernandez to Julio García Fernandez. The latter article goes to a deceased horse rider and there isn't any evidence suggesting that Julio Fernandez's full name is Julio García Fernandez. SwisterTwister talk 04:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2012

There are more than 80K unassessed articles about US. I had a idea to start a contest regarding Assessment.

I thought that United States has a good number of articles now and needs clean up.

This will be beneficial for articles as well as editors as they will be able to interact with editors in their country and will learn new things and can obtain a lot of knowledge about their country.

Please add your name here if you want to take part in this contest: [11] and [12]

Details: [13]

Instructions: [14]

Awards to be given: [15]

Work that is to be done can be viewed here: [16]

If you are interested then please let me know. And if you want to take part in its coordination then please tell as I'll need help in coordinating it, because currently I m the only coordinator.

Regards! Yasht101 08:10, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Never thought it would come to this

Don't you think you are closing the mottoes too early? It seems to be an unwritten rule that they have to have at least three supports, you know that. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

@Simply South there just aren't enough people reviewing mottos these days. If a nomination receives only supports, and can't really hope to get any more reviews (seeing the current state of things), isn't it logical to just accept it? Also, maybe you are referring to the "crisis" period when MotD ran out of nominations ~ if so then i think it was justified by the simple fact that we can't have our templates going red. benzband (talk) 11:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

What's the difference between my latest approved nominations and Everything goes there approved on 9 April 2012? Fortunately, we've managed to put aside something for a rainy day..., but the maximum number of reviewers is actually 3 (including the nominator), and I don't want to send more "invitations to participate" anymore. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for your contributions to Yahoo! Travel Ottawahitech (talk) 15:06, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you

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Talkback 2012-04-20

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Nomination of Filmizing for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Filmizing is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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MOTD 2012-04-30

The MOTD in review page has not been touched in about five days, and there are some entries that are older than 14 days that need to be decided. Could you please look over the MOTD current nominations and decide on entries, as well as review other entries? Thank you, Bulldog73 ^talk da contribs _{go rando} 02:45, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012 Wikification barnstars.

		The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar
		For reaching 2nd place on the leaderboard, Pjoef, I hereby award you the Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar!!! Wonderfully done!!! :) Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 21:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

		The Gold Wikification Barnstar
		For wikifying 153 articles during the drive, I also award you the Gold Wikification Barnstar!!! Keep up the great work!!! :) Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 21:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Consensus on MOTD

I would say as we are rather low at the moment then yes after two support on top of the nomination and no objections once the 14 days are up they can be approved. I see no reason at the moment to increase the time of the mottoes as we have mottoes still spanning into next month.

Right ow I'm about to tackle the backlog. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 23:30, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Btw, I've got a Special suggestion for the London Olympics... Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 17:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

My Editor Review

I have been here for a while and want to improve myself. Though I try my best to do the right thing, I may do something wrong. As you have seen me work, can you please leave me a review as I want to know where I stand so far and what should I improve to be a good editor. Your opinion has always been valuable and your review can help. Thanks :) Yasht101 08:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Amelie soundtrack

Thanks for the correction, it was really only meant to be a change to the sloppy grammar of the paragraph, but I obviously managed to change the meaning as well. Oops. Bob talk 13:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

New quality assessments for the education program

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There's no deadline set yet, and I'm not sure there has to be one -- unlike the PPI, the EP has no obligation to produce a statistical report by a certain date. Of course it would be good to have the data sooner rather than later. There's a meeting of the Education Working Group in July, and it would be good to have the numbers well before then, as I'm sure they'll be discussed there. Thanks for helping out again! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

A straightforward rating is fine -- it's part of a broader statistical assessment so it's just the numbers we need. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback (2012-05-15)

{{Talkback|Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review|→ Show me the money!|ts=by [[User:Benzband|<span style="color: green">benzband</span>]] ([[User talk:Benzband#Top|<span style="color: black">talk</span>]]) 19:20, 15 May 2012 (UTC)}}

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Why not phone up Robin Hood
And ask him for some wealth distribution?

BANKSHOT!!! uoh uoh uoh uoh uoh uoh ha ha ha ha ha ha ~ banks won't be able to get their hands on the money ~ if they try to process it, they'll be faced with the same threat that put the US Navy out of action in 1997

P.S.: I'm like real bad at passing judgement on articles, i have trouble with even the talkpage banners apart from when it's an obvious stub. Never really got to grips with it :P benzband (talk) 20:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

IMO the "old groups" shouldn't forgetomit the Europa Spring (and it's french branch) and La Commune, both often eclipsed in favor of La Révolution (and it's bourgeois follow-up) :-P

Maybe the pilot[s] of Essex/Yukon was listening to WL on the ship's stereo and tried to have a go himself…

And PS #2 i didn't know all that already ^^ benzband (talk) 10:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

lol benzband (talk) 13:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small… lol ~ is there an answer?
Just thought i'd spam you some, if you can spare a few moments :D benzband (talk) 17:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Jello in the lineup? ^^ KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL THE POOR! (tonite) ←BTW is that the answer benzband (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

oi THere! indEeD we appear to be in a very bAd town :(this puts me full'o angst): tho 'tiz fun to heaR Kennedy Alive aGain (back from hEaven or from hell? ;-)

ps. could one say Cal' Uber All is the ends, Killing obliterating the Poor the means? ~ bleh, what should i care anyway, out[in]side of California it's foreign policy ^o^ bEnzband (where's my talk gone?) 18:55, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Same here thanks for all the S{h}O[ng]{e}S (not only the tracks also what's behind 'em :) daytime doesn't last for ever (…) time moves on and then you notice we're in for some Groovy Times yet >.< What with all this 'merican music here's the barmy brits (i believe they mention Clash and Ca$h (o__O). benzband (talk) 18:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Enjoyed it :-) "Punk's the peoples music and I don't care where they're from"! Talkin' of punk/blues: NOFX vs. "House of Blues" (got nothing to do with it except in name).

PS. i guess i'd better stop spamming ya (i'm sorry if i overdid it). Best to you too, Year Mr. ℤero! benzband (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Project Punk Newsletter: May 2012 (Volume III, Issue II)

Announcements and news for WikiProject Punk music

May 2012: Updates: The project is trying to get a spot in the WikiProject report of The Signpost. For more information check the talk page. The article proposed for Punk music collaboration of the month (as part of WikiWomen's history month) received no substantial edits. If you still wish to get involved more information is available at the talk page The unassessed Punk music articles backlog has been tackled, thanks to pjoef (talk · contribs). Articles Work has been ongoing over the past few months to clean up both halves of the list of punk rock bands Green Day and American Idiot have been nominated for Good Article Status by Yasht101 (talk · contribs) 21st Century Breakdown has been put up for a peer review by TheSpecialUser (talk · contribs) Tom Gabel has been substantially expanded and rewritten by IllaZilla (talk · contribs) Features If you see a picture, article, or list that lives up to the corresponding featured criteria, please nominate it.

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Motd 27-05-2012

Hey i've swapped the mottos for 26-06 and 27-06 as it seemed more logical. Hope that's not a problem… benzband (talk) 09:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

After reading your comment i left some mottos at the specials page. If the 26 June one passes it would mean moving the Easter, 1916 one though :P benzband (talk) 15:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

June Wikification Drive!

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Signpost

From my talk page:

WP Punk Music in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Punk Music for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The 5th question (

"The project oversees three task forces focusing on individual bands. Have you been involved in any of these? How much collaboration goes on between the task forces and the parent project?"

) might be a good opportunity to mention WP:CLASH. =) benzband (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

This got me thinking, maybe i could ask for MOTD to be included in next issue's "WikiProject News" Sidebar. What with the current lack of particpants… Also since this update we can get a little better idea of how many users display the daily motto on their userpage. benzband (talk) 15:41, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so i've left a few replies at the interview (mentioning WP:CLASH) and requested MOTD be mentioned in next signpost's sidebar. Best of luck, benzband (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Still need reviews for the Wikipedia Education Program research project

Hi, Pjoef! Thank you so much for reviewing some articles for the Wikipedia Education Program research project! The results of this project are vital for planning the coming semester in the program, and we'd like to review as many classes as possible in the next week.

I have gone through each class to prioritize for various projects, and everyone on the Education team at the Wikimedia Foundation would be extremely grateful if you could participate further by reviewing a few more articles ('pre' and 'post' versions). If we can rally a lot of editors to review one or two articles each day, we will be able to make the most use of this research for our tight timeline. We are really eager to find out which classes have been successful according to the Wikipedian standard.

Here is the list of priority articles if you're interested in helping out. Thanks so much for your consideration! JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 01:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

(O‾o) uʍop ǝpısdn

(ʞlɐʇ) puɐqzuǝq (-: SԀ∀Ɔ ǝɯos dılɟ uɐɔ ǝuo sıɥʇ ʇnq sʇıɯıl s,ʇı sɐɥ ʇı) /ɯoɔ˙ʇxǝʇuʍopǝpısdn˙ʍʍʍ//:dʇʇɥ ← -- 09:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

great tags he he benzband (talk) 11:08, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

This how it should look?

(i also hope this isn't IE otherwise i've been cheated by the guy who told me it was Firefox) benzband (talk) 12:48, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I didn't know about that website… lol… it's helping me understand a bit better though and the testing area is great! (i've never tried anything with css before) benzband (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

BEWARE OF Kazzi03

Kazzi03 adds material that is not factual. He/or She purports to be a expert, however after reviewing his material i can only assume that he/or She is just a lonley person with nothing else to do except create sites and attach their authorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.94.232 (talk) 06:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

MOTD: Special August 21

How's for a special motto for Joe's upcoming birthday? benzband (talk) 14:44, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

The quotes are great but finding relevant links isn't so great >.<' i have nominated some at the specials page. benzband (talk) 13:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

 Are great!
you putting those up for review?  benzband (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Aye, i have! benzband (talk) 12:15, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Magnificent Seven… template problem

{{The Clash}} template at the foot feet of the Magnificent Seven is sticking right out of my monitor… apparently this has been going on since this edit.

Just wondering have you got this problem too? And if so how to fix it? benzband (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed (by previewing it). sorry for the bother benzband (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Happy Joe Day

"Never Forgotten, Always an Inspiration, Always Missed!" benzband (talk) 20:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Feb 19 2013

For a normal motto? Are you okay? :p Difficultly north (talk) 10:14, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I made a mistake. It was for the 21st of February. I'd like to make sense of normal nominations maybe by scheduling them for the date of birth or death of the author, whenever it is possible. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Even so, that normally only happens in the Specials. I noticed you did it for December as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Difficultly north (talk • contribs) 10:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I did it for Winston Churchil, Tom Waits, Joe Strummer.... We have enough mottos approved and this could be an added value for MOTD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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MOTD October 2012

Hey

Sorry for the late reply. I would just use edit 2 for genius motto as that now seems to have the most consensus.

As for the anniversary, sure. Clogs with strawberry jam and sandals between slices of bread and margerine are great delicacies. Simply south...... wearing fish for just 6 years 12:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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MotD 2012-11-01

Any ideas for links for this Armistice Day motto nomination? Regards, and season's greetings :) benzband (talk) 21:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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It was my pleasure. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:46, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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Bernard Rhodes

Someone has customized the article (and the edit summary suggest they have a conflict of interest). benzband (talk) 10:05, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I've tried to merge the two, see what you think. It's just that the "new" version was poorly formatted, unsourced, and read like a POV push in favor of Rhodes. benzband (talk) 14:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

That's great! Cheers :-) benzband (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. I put the note into <!-- --> because the sentence it was originally refer(enc)ing to had been deleted when the "new" version was created.

Also, I removed the sentence at the end of the biography because qualifying Rhodes as an "enigmatic" humanitarian and supporting that by linking to his website is kinda original research. But i've found this on the Jewish Museum opening: http://www.jewishmuseum.org.uk/?location_id=519&item=76. benzband (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the "present day" is good, also here is the part where Joe says "he invented punk" on YouTube. benzband (talk) 18:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Yep, i think that it's good now :-) benzband (talk) 19:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Richard Manitoba / Caribou

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Minneapolis Armory

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have been awarded the seldom coveted THUMBS UP AWARD for your exemplar editing at Louis Satterfield. I started a tinsey weenie stub about him just because he was a red link on a list of bass players and I typically remove those, but did not want to remove him from the list, so turned him into the cheapest blue link imaginable. And then you arrived shortly thereafter ("Why?" I wondered, but the answer didn't really matter) and turned the article into a fitting tribute to the man and his music. Right next to Satterfield, you rock the most. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:17, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Well your work was/is awesome and the chart in particular (I've tried a few, I know how tough they can be) is a monster, a thing of beauty. Carptrash (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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WIKIPROJECT DISCUCSSION

It's already open :). Thanks for leaving me a message on my talk. Love and Peace.Miss Bono (talk) 13:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Please, join the discussion on Wikiproject u2 talk page...to discuss about re-activate it ♣ Miss Bono (talk) 13:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks, pjoef, I'm new and i don't know how to do the things right. thanks for the help. keep in touch with me at my talk page to know the recent changes  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Why does the list of members of the WP U2 has only 6 members and then it starts again by the 1st. There are missing two or three users at the "No" List  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

WP: U2 2013-04-04

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SIGNING

Please sign here... :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Members   Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I have some problems with the format of WikiProject U2 Main Page

Please check the page out or visit the TeaHouse Question Forum to see what's about.   Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Problem Solved

I think the problem is solved! Thanks anyway. Check the to do list at the WP u2   Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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Edit conflict 2013-04-04

I guess we are both working on this ... but This edit removed 2 sections for the project page, Not sure if you think there best back on the left or not.Moxy (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

NP edit conflicts happen all the time - looks great to me - :-) Moxy (talk) 20:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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It doesnt allow me to sign in the Roll Call list. What Happen?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Roll Sheet

User:Melicans added to the roll sheet, what does it mean . BTW, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U2#Notice   Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

You are Right

We are ONE!! Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Graceful

What do you think if we create some kind of template to post on the member of the WP U2 that have already signed their names?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Create something

That help us to apreciate the memebers of the WP that have already listed  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject U2 + BIG SURPRISE

Hi! That certainly was a nice surprise! I'm not actually a U2 fan though, so i don't see much point in joining the project :) benzband (talk) 12:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

What is this

I can't access youtube so i dont know what is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZmth7DcRNU Is something related to U2?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

What?

what should we do next on WP U2?????. I'm willing to do something relevant.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Improving

i think we nee to improve the WP U2's interface, and try to complete all the challenges on the To Do List. We need to tell the other wikipedians on the list of memebers that they are free to help with those stuffs. These are some works we have to do.

• To update The Collaboration of the Fortnight Department
• To update the Newsletter section.
• To launch The Collaboration of the Month Department

Tell me what you think about it..  Miss Bono (zootalk) 11:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion

I think we should encourage the users that already have sign up to the member's list of WP U2 to adopt an article each one and work on it. but I don't know how to do it. Reply ASAP  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Newsletter (April 2013)

I don't mean to be annoying to you! If so, please, let me know. I am not here to bother anyone. I wanted to know how can I work in favor of creating the Newsletter of May . please reply :) and GOOD MORNING!!!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 11:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Take a Look at This and then contact me

with suggestions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject_desk  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC) But they want to know if there are relevant changes. They want something to go on. "People won't be interested in reading a rehash of the same old interview I conducted three years ago."- he said "What new information does WikiProject U2 have to share with our readers?" he asked

I don't know what to say to him to have an interview. Please help me on that. If possible give him a response, please... :)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

You are right! ;P, sorry for the missunderstanding.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

What's Next??

Hey, I am willing to do something for WP U2 but I don't know what to do?? Waiting for reply :D  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it is very useful. I'll make the request for the WikiProject cleanup listing. Talk to you later.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

i already made the request. what's next!?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

i couldn't access to that address, remember i have internet problems. It's a shame they couldn't add WP: U2. Thanks for the congrats!!!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:24, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Me 2013-04-18

WP U2've been missing you. Are you Ok?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

it's great that you are ok. i was trying to talk with another users from the list of members, but i couldn't get any attention. Y2kcrazyjoker4 doesn't seem to be willing to help me in anything and doesn't seems to want to reply.

I changed the picture from the Bono's article infobox a few days ago and I add some picture of him singing that, FOR ME, more accurately portrays who he is, but he User:Y2kcrazyjoker4 changed it back saying: "there is hardly anything wrong with the current image, there are more pressing matters for the article.". I reply on his talk page asking for advise 'cause i wanted to know those "more pressing matters for the article" and he still doesn't pay attention 2 me. It's a mess everything. I feel like if i am annoying to anyone related to WP U2. What's wrong with me??? :(  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I was wondering what is this \o/ and this /o\ ... :?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

First Article 2013-04-19

I created my first article in Wikipedia. Take a look at it Morleigh Steinberg... PS: Y2crazyjocker4 still ignores me  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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		For the success of all the people involved in the development of my first article and WP: U2. Specially User:Cullen328 and you. CHEERS!!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:06, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Good!!... I'll celebrate our success... It has been really a pleasure to meet you.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:30, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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Miss Bono & WP U2

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The Barnstar of Integrity I am happy  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks friend. it wouldn't have been possible without all of you keep watching over my steps. so THANKS.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:16, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

WP U2 2013-04-23

It's been a while since I don't do anything for WP:U2. What do you suggest for me to do??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Please, give your opinion at Bono's Talk Page two latest discussions. Also I have know of someone who is interested in join the project and do something good. Take a look anytime.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Join this discission and the one below  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

thanks for your opinion. what about User:Difop?? he surely is willing to colaborate.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

VANDALISM 2013-04-25

I had a vandalism problem at my talk page... See a discussion I had with User:TheOriginaSoni, and there is almost at the end of the discussion a comment by a IP adress. I think I am gonna quit Wikipedia :'(  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:32, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

It was a personal attack and the IP is still doing it. He post some userbox about lesbianism at my talk :(. I can't go on with all this  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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This 2013-04-25

• Check this out User:Miss Bono  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

and this

This user owns a copy of U2 by U2, the most valuable book on U2 there is. And this user is pround of it.

 Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Changes on WP U2 and Roll Call

Hey, pjoef, good morning! I've seensome changes in the members list of the WP, I they are good ones. So... why does the roll call doesn't match with the list?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:20, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Again

I would suggest to creat a subpage for our converstaions related to WP U2. What do you think? Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:20, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

There is no need for a subpage. I've a section dedicated to WP:U2 in my userspace, but I will not be alerted if you leave a message there and this is a problem for me. You may simply use a new or THIS SECTION (with third-level sections/sub headings ===Title=== or ;Title; the first will be included within the table of contents of the page, while the second will be excluded). I'll reply here, bu you'll need to watchlist this page, of course. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:11, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I will do so. I am already watiching this page. I would like to change the name of the page. Can you help me to fix those repeat versions of U2 by U2, and everything else you suggested  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:26, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I suggest to add the phrase: "This user is a partORmember of WikiProject U2" to both {{User WikiProject U2 by U2}} and {{User WikiProject U2 iPod edition}}, and to remove WP U2's users categorization from User:Miss Bono/U2Userboxes.
Okay, I did it. Please, see if you like the end results: 1, 2, and 3.
User:Miss Bono/U2Userboxes should be moved to something like User:Miss Bono/User U2 by U2 or to User:Miss Bono/Userboxes/User U2 by U2 if you plan to create more userboxes. In the second case, move User:Miss Bono/U2Userboxes to User:Miss Bono/Userboxes/User U2 by U2 or click here and enter Miss Bono/Userboxes/User U2 by U2 in To new title field within the Move form.
Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Done! ;) I couldn't reply earlier 'cuz it was weekend. Thanks for all your help. I whish i could return the favor in any way! Look, we got something to do  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Very well. Melicans wants to do things right! I do not know if I can help or not, but I will see how it goes. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 21:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Can You Ask?

User:Theroadislong if he would like to join WP:U2??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Theroadislong has already been invited on 19 April 2013; it is too recent to justify another invite. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

This 2013-04-26

Take a look at this, and please, let me know what can I do here? Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/collaborationofthemonthdepartment  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I think that this kind of thing does not work very well. For examples on how it works see: Wikipedia:Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive and Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Collaboration of the Month. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:35, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, sorry. My bad ;)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

RfA

smtchahal^(talk) 12:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up for next time, the pedigree of the nominator is often just as important. A good nominator will assist you with preparing your RFA questions because they actually know what the community is looking for. They will typically guide you for a couple of months before actually submitting your name. I'm terribly afraid that your RFA is going to crash and burn - that's NOT a reflection of your work on Wikipedia, it's a reflection on your ability to explain why you need the tools, how you showed the community that you're ready for them, and sometimes the reputation of both you and the nominator. Don't be discouraged - your work is appreciated here, and an RFA will never say that (✉→BWilkins←✎) 21:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

You can decide what you want to do with the RfA without causing me any embarrassment

If you wish to withdraw your RfA nomination and are not doing so merely because you think I might get embarrassed if you do, please don't stop yourself. I really do appreciate your kindness (and I always have; I've not yet forgotten the barnstar you gave me about a year ago which I don't feel I deserved at that time), but I wouldn't have felt embarrassed at all if you would not have accepted the nomination for any reasons. It gets embarrassing (if it does) only when the candidate accepts and then fails.

Though you are (unfortunately) unlikely to succeed this time, I'm sure that if you gain a few months' experience of working in administrator-related fields (as a few voters suggested), you are at least more likely to succeed in your second nomination (which might even by made by an administrator, if you work hard enough). The only real reason I could conclude from the discussion (but that's just my opinion, and I'm apparently not experienced in RfA discussions) why one should oppose you was the fact that you did not have experience in administrator-related activities. I apologise for having made a premature nomination and for giving the impression that your refusal to accept the nomination will cause me some sort of humiliation, which ultimately resulted in all of this. Also, I want to clarify that although I (still) do believe you will make a good admin, I'm not saying you should re-apply some time later or that you should try working in admin-related fields at all. I request you to take all decisions about your user rights on your own without being influenced by anything I do or say (that I am a lot less experienced than you is just one reason for this). With kind regards, smtchahal^(talk) 14:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I noticed this edit to the RFA. If your intent was to withdraw, you can leave a note at WT:RFA or just add a note at the top below where you accepted the nomination. Your nominator offers good advice, above - if this is something you want to pursue, it's a simple thing to ease yourself into AFD and AIV, perhaps commenting occasionally at ANI or the like. Of course, given how the RFA went, I would not be surprised at all if you told us to go to hell - but I remain convinced that you'd be a good admin. So, either way, good luck. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 12:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

April 2013 wikification awards!

		The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar
		For scoring 4th place on the leaderboard of the April 2013 wikification backlog drive, pjoef, you are hereby awarded the Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar. Congratulations! :)

		The Gold Wikification Barnstar
		For wikifying 95 articles, you are also awarded the Gold Wikification Barnstar. Keep up the good work! :)

So a print encyclopedia, a strawberry shortcake, and a sycamore walk into a bar - wait, have you heard this one? (talk) 20:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It was my pleasure! Thank you Wilhelmina Will, and congratulations for your FIRST place. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:17, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

WP: U2 Newsletter for May 2013

The U2 WikiProject Newsletter WikiProject U2 Issue VIII - 1st May 2013 If you would like to contribute on the revamping of the WikiProject, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. You may also contact our project coordinator Miss Bono. If you would like to help out with future newsletters, please contact the Outreach Department.
Quote of the month “ You can cover the world with your thumb Still so big, so bright, so beautiful. ” — U2, "Stateless" U2 News Apr 28, 2013 – Promoter of U2’s Red Rocks concert Barry Fey dead at 73. Apr 25, 2013 - Bono revealed the working title of the new album is "10 Reasons to Exist" The band have been recording in Dublin, New York and the South of France over the last few months. Jan 2013 – New species of trapdoor spider Aptostichus bonoi named after Bono. Nov 04, 2010 – U2, Gaga, Metallica, Swift Win Big at Billboard Touring Awards Dec 14, 2009 – U2 Scores Top Tour of 2009, Second of Decade. Mar 03, 2009 – New York names street 'U2 Way'. Dec 12, 2008 – Nobel laureates crown U2's Bono 'man of peace' Project News We are looking to update the Tasks section at the Main Page of WikiProject U2. Please, if you want to collaborate feel free to contact Miss Bono The Collaboration of the Fornight Department is now available. Feel free to visit it! The The Outreach Department is also available. Feel free to visit it! We have now the Morleigh Steinberg's article. Cleanup listing for WikiProject U2 is available. Slug (song) has been FA nominated by Dream out loud. Wide Awake in Europe has been GA nominated by Dream out loud. Cullen328 is working on an article about the controversial Vaillaincourt Fountain in San Francisco. U2 played at the fountain in 1987. Member News We have updated the Membership list. There are four new members this month. Picture of the month U2 perform at Charlottesville, VA on October 1, 2009 U2 performing at Charlottesville, VA on October 1, 2009, during their worldwide U2360º Tour, launched in support of the group's 2009 album.	From the Editors Welcome to the May edition of the WikiProject U2 Newsletter. This month's theme is No Line on the Horizon, the twelfth studio album by U2. The Album No Line on the Horizon was released on 27 February 2009. It marked the longest gap between studio albums of U2's career. The band originally intended to release the songs as two EPs, but later combined the material into a single record. The supporting U2 360° Tour, spanning 2009 to 2011, was the highest-grossing concert tour in history, with ticket sales over $736 million. The singles for this album were "Get on Your Boots", "Magnificent", "I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go :Crazy Tonight" The Album's Cover Hiroshi Sugimoto (Berlin, 2008) The cover art for No Line on the Horizon is a photograph of Lake Constance, taken by Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto; titled Boden Sea, it is one of 200 pictures in his Seascapes collection. New Members Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC) Unreal7 (talk · contribs) 12:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC) Teancum (talk · contribs) 14:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC) Fylbecatulous talk 12:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Did You Know? That the word "baby" is on Achtung Baby twenty-seven times. That Bono's first car was a secondhand Fiat Uno 127. He had an accident driving that car, crashing into a telegraph pole. That the full name of the song "United Colours" is "United Colours of :Plutonium"? That "Winter" and "White as Snow" were both written for the 2009 film Brothers? That "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" is the most covered U2 song?
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Written by Miss Bono.

RfA afterthoughts

Hello Pjoef! I'd like to thank you for the emulable manner in which you stood as a candidate for RfA. You demonstrated a remarkable strength of character under adverse conditions. I can not imagine a better answer to have given your critics. I understand the emotional drain, having stood as an RfA candidate four times; unsuccessfully. I wish you the very best and look forward to seeing your future contributions. With esteem, My76Strat (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

This comment is one of the best comments I have ever received here on Wikipedia, indeed. Thank you so very much, My76Strat, I appreciate it bery much! I'll buy you a beer (or non-alcoholic)! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

A beer sounds great!

But I insist that you allow me to buy the beer; for it is a treat that you deserves, and a darn good idea! My76Strat (talk) 04:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

rfa 2013-05-09

hey, i read your rfa, and i wanted to say i'm sorry so many people were such dicks. i think it's really quite comical how seriously people take these things. imagine, a single "rouge admin" going nuts and trying to break things on the site. there are so many other mindless automata that any damage would be reversed in minutes. so anyways, tempest, teapot, etc. i do hope you will continue contributing. adminship ain't for everyone (myself included). xoxo ... aa:talk 23:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries! It went well for me and I "enjoyed" the experience. :D
I'm happy with the way it went, indeed. From my point of view I saved time and energy on studying and then applying all the policies, guidelines, procedures…. lol
Thanks for your message Alex! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono 30 April 2013–7 August 2013

WP:U2 Cleanup listing and newsletter

It's great to hear from you. I have already said thanks. Hw are you. I am working in a newsletter for May. I'll give you the link when it is done. :) Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Need some help to add information here Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Outreach/newslettermay13 Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Is there a draft a sandbox or something abot this newsletter? Which are the exactly parts you want to add to the newletter and where you want them placed? Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, good luck on that. The yeah, there is a sandbox here. I want some fresh information for the this sections: U2 News and Did You Know?. I hope you can solve your problem.

PS: If I get too annoying you just have to yell at me, ok?

Best wishes my dear friend.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I fixed it, thanks! I read User:Miss Bono/sandbox6. Here are some points:

1. Within the header, the phrase "On the first If you would like to contribute..." it would be better to add a link that points to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U2 → …join the discussion … or contact us OR contact Miss Bono [and NOT pjoef :)];
2. U2 News seems to be okay. Isn't?
3. There is a page Portal:U2/Did you know that perfecly fits your U2-DYK needs :). Take a look at it.
   (Note: This page is transcluded within Portal:U2 (its content/code —or parts of it– is included in another page —for example infoboxes, userboxes, templates, etc.), so you will have to pay attention if you are going to edit this page.)

Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I tried to fix things. I was expecting you'd give me some of the latest U2 News for that section ;) Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I found out some news about U2 but it's a very long list (about 7000 records lol) Awards, Honors and Recognitions are 227 records. I will try to remove items, but it is not easy at all. I'm going to copy the list to User:Miss Bono/sandbox6 and then edit that page directly. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

What would have been of me without you??? :D Thanks, friend... Am I bothering too much?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

If it isn't easy for you, you can copy all the records to a subpage in my user page and I'll do the work ;)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The list is now in User:Miss Bono/sandbox6; We need to keep 2, 3, 4, 5 MAX news and remove all the rest. We will change its format later. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Done, take a look at it now and tell me something about the format.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Another Question About Newsletter

How will I know which users want to receive the newsletter?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Usually a newsletter needs a subscriptionnu we coluld make an exveption and send the first issue to the 11 participants.

A question: Were you able to view the data at toolserver.org? If you are not able to view this page I copy its content for you somewhere over the rainbow. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I am not able to view it. :(  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:47, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I got the code but I need to convert it from HTML to WikiSyntax. It will be ready for tomorrow morning. Tomorow, I will also check the list. I've got to go now. "See You Later, Alligator" :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

See you on Thursday. I won't be here 2morrow  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Where do you want the cleanup listing to go? Could you please provide me the link to the right place/page. Maybe, one of your sandboxes? Thanks. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I will create the User:Miss Bono/Clean Up  Miss Bono (zootalk) 21:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

(see User:Miss Bono/Clean Up) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 23:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

WP: U2 Newsletter for May 2013 II

I thinks is ready to be posted  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Check the new U2 barnstar I made and tell me what you think User_talk:Miss_Bono#Barnstar Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Really? Great!!! I'm going to take a look at both of them. I fear I must be the harbringer of bad news because we cannot use album covers for the newsletter but only in its own article, rarely in discographies, and in very special cases such as the article about The Clash album London Calling where it is shown the artwork for Elvis Presley's debut album for comparison. Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I'll delete it. Tell me when you check things out. lol. Cheers! Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes :) Please, DO NOT ASK for its deletion :)
The copyright license template placed on File:NoLineU2Promo.jpg says that "[it] is of a cover of an audio recording, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the work or the artist(s) which produced the recording or cover artwork in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of such covers solely to illustrate the audio recording in question, on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement." See Wikipedia:Non-free content for more information.
So, we eventually have to remove the file (declaration) from the source code of the newsletter.
I'm going to see the barnstar.... –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

DOne!! :P What does the DO NOT ASK FOR its deletion mean??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I was referring to the physical deletion of the file :) Don't mind :). How did you do it? It's good and ways better than the previous version. The only comment I would make is that it is not clear the link with U2. Do you need help with it? There is a guideline at Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines on how to create a Barnstar 2.0 compatible and also a large gallery at Wikipedia:Barnstars#Barnstars, plus my help anytime for just £€$0.0000000 per decade or millenium. :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

=D you are a nice friend... I have just smiled. I will read the manual, but please, feel free to edit the barnstar. I thought the astronaut, the heart bag and the joshua tree were enough links to U2 without mention the Vertigo dartboard  Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm more into their 1980s period from Boy (1980) to Rattle and Hum (1988) ;)
What others think of the barnstar? The instructions on how to make a new barnstar Ver. 2.0 are very simple and remastering older or non-compliant versions is also possible, so there is nothing to worry about.
I made some minor changes to the newsletter (sandbox 6 ver.). It seems okay. , I do not like the difference in vertical space of the two columns. The right column has too much empty/unused space at its bottom. What do you think if we move down one row the Picture of the month thing, occupying the full row above Article Statistics and Notes? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I think is great to move down one row the Picture of the month section. What links to U2 have the Boy album, October, War, or Rattle and Hum as well as their covers??? I don't know yet what the others think of the barnstar. I have to ask all of the members Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

No, you could ask User:Cullen and Melicans about this. And, PLEASE follow all the recommendations that Melicans properly gave to you. I have read that there is a mess in the nomination of some articles and I have not had time to go to see and control. We will fix all of them, I promise! :) I will move the picture of the month on sandbox 6. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I already ask them. I am always messing things up. i am sorry :'(... I can't wait to see the changes in the May newsletter. When ccan we publish it????? Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries :))))) Unfortunately I could not move the picture below without having poor results. So, I decided to move the DYK? section at the very bottom of the right column, and everything seems fine. Isn't? I do not know when. It must be first copied to Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newslettermay13. Also, I have to see how to send it out. Does it need to be substituted or trascluded? And, who will send it to all WP:U2 members? You, me, or a bot? Usually it is the latter, but I'll have the answers to these question very soon. bye4now –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Now it looks GREAT!!!! :D. I will ask at the Teahouse. What do you think?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm really busy with work (and had a cup of tea … but not in that teahouse, it's too expensive!!! :)))
There are two main formats for a newsletter: the first type is an announce/a simple text message containing the |link to the newsletter. Each member will see (and probanly read) the newsletter only after he/she makes a click on this link. This is the less aggressive. The other will post all the contents of WikiProject U2/Outreach/newslettermay13 within the member talk page, which means that each member will have the entire newsletter and its source code all on its talk page. I have not yet had time to find the bot. Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

WP U2 Talk

I took a look into what you posted here But I quite don't understand and/or don't know what to do.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I provided a link in that message. Look at the main page of the U2 WP and find the Tasks section. I think it needs to be updated in general and with selected new tasks taken from User:Melicans' semi work plan. But before we need to define a common strategy and also solve all problems related to the various reviews, but I have yet to investigate... :))))
I will be very busy for the next hours. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Ook!... i will investigate too. i'll ask the others  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

here is a bot, I already made a request. Feel free to chek it out whenever you have time. good Luck with your work. User:ENewsBot.

BTW, I'd kill for a cup of tea right now.

Wikipedians also recommend biscuits with tea.

 Miss Bono (zootalk) has given you a cup of tea. Tea promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day ever so slightly better.

Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, especially if it is someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Spread the lovely, warm, refreshing goodness of tea by adding {{subst:wikitea}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Here is one for free to you. enjoy it and relax ;P...  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

wOw, you are fantastic Miss Bono, I will check it very soon. Is it really free? What a tearoom then! I will spread the word... :) Thank you so much! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I think I'm gonna post the newsletter manually only for this month. To see how it works. I am on it! Follow my steps so you can see if i mess things up.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

you're going well!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Well done Miss Bono!!! Could you please ask James (ENewsBot's operator) to withdraw our previous request? I fear that it will deliver Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Outreach (which is NOT correct) to all members listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Members every month. In the future we can use one of the bots from Category:Newsletter delivery bots (EdwardsBot seems to be the best choice). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I am in a very slow computer with a slow connection. I will ask James tomorrow.-- Miss Bono (zootalk) 22:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

WP: U2 Newsletter for May 2013 III

Please, join this discussion. We are happy to hear new suggestions for next Newsletters. Thank you.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I have finished the new barnstar

But I dont have an email account to send it to Cullen328. is there any way to give the image to someone who can upload it t o wikipedia????? It has the same black and red circles, but instead of the images, it has 12 stars (as a reference to Zooropa Cover), and the name WP U2 (with a similar format to the title in cover of War album) Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

If you cannot send emails, then it is very difficult that you have access to a web server and transfer files via FTP, or via other tricks. HAVE YOU TRIED THIS? How big is the file? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

trying to upload it but i dont know what to put in licensing... HELP ASAP  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I tried, it seems to be uploaded but when I look for it it says it doesn't exist. Here is the name i gave it:Wpu2barnstar.png  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Done,  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks fine! ;) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:46, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Better or worst than the other one??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

They are both good, but this new version refers to WP:U2 which is not too bad. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I made it that way cuz I thought the barnstar was for WP U2, If you want I can make another one :)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I was joking, the presence of WP:U2 is the reason why I prefer the new version and, in this case, "not too bad" means "very good". :) Thanks for all your efforts Miss Bono. Have a great weekend. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 23:33, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Now I see you comment. And. thank you for letting me help... We are One!!!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 11:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Newsletter

I'll be working in the format June newsletter.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you planning to open another Roll Call for May??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

No, no :D our roll call served its pupose, to update the list of members and their "active status". We do not need a new roll call for the next two years ore more.... :)
okay, the image is ready. Where do I upload it, as a new version of File:Wpu2barnstar.png? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

yeah, as a new version of the former ;)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Done! I have not checked it out throughly, but it should be "Barnstar 2.0" compatible. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I just saw it. It is amazing. Thanks. I have modified my user and talk page with some images I created. take a look and tell me what do you think :D  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Your user page is … cool! Check out Wikipedia:User page design center, you will find help and resources (including free images) for your user page. Do you prefer User:Miss Bono/Userboxes/User U2 by U2 or Template:User WikiProject U2 by U2? (I've replaced the non-fair image with a free one.) File:U2 by u2 book.png needs a white background. I'm going to add UWPU2 to the proper sections. Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:03, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I prefer the one you created. It is COOL lol. I need to ask you something related to the ONE Campaign. Can I???  Miss Bono (zootalk) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess you cannot visit one.org. ONE Campaign is a good starting point … feel free to ask me whatever you want. Cheers! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I once visited one.org and I took out a subscription there but i had to close it soon after cuz I was leaving my old school. So I hadn't time to get used to the page. I was thinking about taking out another subscription but I wan to know what is that helpful for anyway?? For that I need someone who is get used to ONE Campaign. I'd already read its article in wikipedia ;) Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

By joining ONE you receive updates and "take action", which usually are requests for signing online petitions or writing letters to politicians on poverty and related subjects. Usually 1-2 per month.
File:U2 by u2 book.png is okay! (Try [[File:U2 by u2 book.png|180px]] and you'll see that it's okay!) At the moment, the 200px version shows the second version/second upload of the file. It will be updated automatically by a bot within the next 24/36 hours. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess you are a member of the ONE... What have you done so far?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

There are some 3 million ONE members :). The last action was a reminder to world leaders about Mali, asking them to support Malians with long-term solutions. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

And if I was in that situation what I am supposed to do?? To write a letter or something?? I once received a letter form a woman, I think... Does Bono is a member or just a co-founder. Do you guys go to events or something?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

No, not physically. You receive a link via an email. When you visit the link/URL the system recognizes your email address or an identifier and does all the "dirty" work for you. It can happen that you have to write a letter that will be forwarded electronically by the system itself or via mail by you. I do not participate to events, meetings, and parties they surely organize, and I do not know which other roles Bono plays with ONE. Vocals? :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Funny How did you know about the ONE Campaign for the first time??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. I don't remember, probably through mass media. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was through a U2 concert. So can I ask you a more persoanl question??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 16:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

it depends ... You can ask me, but I might not answer :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

How old are you?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Please, don't ask /o\ lol :D feb 1966 aquarian ... please, don't tell :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Wao, you are young.... me: april 1994 aries Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, very young :D but it was not a big secret because my age is shown in one of my userboxes (at the top of Life, status, and situation section.) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Another One that you Truly Deserve!!

		The U2 Barnstar
		I hereby award you the U2 Barnstar for your efforts in helping Wikiproject U2. Congratulations! THANKS!!.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I do not know why but I feel like I do not deserve this award. anyway thanks a lot.
I've noticed that there are a couple of minor errors within File:Wpu2barnstar.png but before I tell you which are these errors I would like to know if this will be the new version for all aour members. There is already a discussion going on about it, so please do not ask other members what they think of the image again.
Also, I will close the April 2013 Roll call very soon.→DONE! (14:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC))
Once again, thank you! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess one of the minor errors are the red "stuff" in the top point of the star.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:25, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The reason I was asking again to discuss the new barnstar was to have the other members' opinion whether it would remain or not.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:33, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, :D some red pixels appear on both borders/edges of the upper vertice. There is a not correct alignment of the relief that start from the center and goes to the upper vertice. Also, the little stars placed around the central ring are not positioned in the same way (I noticed some small differences in their positions). For now, please, do nothing and do not send new versions to Wikipedia. :) Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you can fix it?? i'll step back cuz my laptop is broken and i am not able to fix it by myself  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

SURE! ;) Can I have the multi-layer version (if it exists), or the original files? It will be ready in minutes! But, working on File:Wpu2barnstar.png directly (I got it) requires a lot of time, something too precious at the moment, and I cannot tell you if it will be ready for tomorrow or in a month or two. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

.I didn't reply yestarday cuz I took my exams to get into college. I can fix all of the errors if you point them out. And suggest how it has to be made. I left a message for you in the User page of Antonu.....Cheers!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 11:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/membership_list here and see if you are able to add the U2 by U2 userbox i made... thanks...;)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm working on it. I put everything in place. For the "little" stars I used File:Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png. These stars are a bit more bright/yellow than the 12 originals. Is this a problem? For the big star I used File:Camera_Barnstar_Hires.png and it fits perfectly! It's almost done :) except for the red & black disc. What is it? :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:20, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Pay attention, File:U2-teenagers.jpg is NOT free and cannot be used there. We need a free image for U2byU2 (both versions). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:26, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I made circles with Photoshop (black and red ones) and mix them as the icon use for Vertigo Tour.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

As for the stars, They are far better with the new color you found ;) And the black star, It's great the one you found, I didn't know there was a black one, I change the saturation and hue of the original barnstar to make it black. You are a genius. THANKS!! :D Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks for the info!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Done, I made an image for u2 By u2 book. Tell me what you think of it??User:Miss_Bono/Userboxes/User_U2_by_U2.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:59, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

"proud to own it" or "proud to own a copy"??? Looks fine! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I tried to upload a new fixed version without the errors but it keeps showing the former. What's wrong?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:42, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

New Information for Bono's Article

I've heard that Bono sold his New York duplex in 5.5 million USD. I need more information about that. Can you check out??

Please, read this article.

Ref:
Abelson, Max (7 April 2008). [http://observer.com/2008/04/beautiful-deal-bono-finally-sells-el-dorado-coop-for-49-m/ Beautiful Deal: Bono Finally Sells El Dorado Co-Op for $4.9 M.]. New York: ''The New York Observer''.

Result:
Abelson, Max (7 April 2008). Beautiful Deal: Bono Finally Sells El Dorado Co-Op for $4.9 M.. New York: The New York Observer.

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I couldnt read that. Sorry-- Miss Bono (zootalk) 16:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Oops File:Kopfschuettel.gif sorry I forgot … so here it is for you to read:

Beautiful Deal: Bono Finally Sells El Dorado Co-Op for $4.9 M.
By Max Abelson 4/07/08 5:09pm [for The New York Observer]

New York suffered a brutal blow to its ego last week when Madonna said she was totally over Manhattan. “It’s not the exciting place it used to be,” the singer said. “It still has great energy; I still put my finger in the socket. But it doesn’t feel alive.”

So when The Observer found a real estate record filed just this morning that said Bono and his wife Ali Hewson had sold their Central Park West apartment, it seemed crushing. Could Madonna and Bono both be abandoning New York in the same short span? No.

According to the $4.9 million deed, the co-op is Bono’s old 2,322-square-foot apartment at the El Dorado at 90th Street and Central Park West.

He first bought the place for $3.4 million, but left it five years ago for Steve Jobs’ old apartment at the San Remo down the block. (Mr. Jobs sold the place for around $14.5 million, less than the reported $15 million he spent on renovations that involved both Robert A.M. Stern and I.M. Pei.)

Even though Bono bought that co-op in April 2003, he put the El Dorado apartment on the market in March 2006 for $5.95 million, a brokerage database shows, though the price was reduced to $5.5 million in June. Instead of the 12-foot, 800-pound doors in his new co-op, this littler place has two petite bedrooms, a nicer-sized master suite, and a 320-square-foot terrace and living room facing Central Park. All that now goes, the deed says, to a couple from Westchester.

But life for Bono at the San Remo hasn’t been entirely perfect: He squabbled with neighbors, including lesser arena rock star Billy Squier, over hazardous smoke wafting up into his penthouse duplex.

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:41, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for posting that. I have a non-smoker Bono for you  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Songs' Articles That Have to Be Created

1. Boy Album

"Stories for Boys" "The Ocean" "Another Time, Another Place" "Shadows and Tall Trees" "Twilight" "Out of Control"

1. October

"I Fall Down" "I Threw a Brick Through a Window" "Rejoice" "Tomorrow" "With a Shout (Jerusalem)" "Stranger in a Strange Land" "Scarlet" "Is That All?"

1. War

"Seconds" "Like a Song…" "Drowning Man" "The Refugee" "Red Light" "Surrender"

1. The Unforgettable Fire

"Wire" "Promenade" "4th of July" "Indian Summer Sky" "Elvis Presley and America" TheGlobeandMailFogel

1. The Joshua Tree

"Trip Through Your Wires"

1. Rattle and Hum

"Van Diemen's Land" "Hawkmoon 269" "Freedom for My People" "Love Rescue Me" "Heartland" "God Part II"

1. Zooropa

"Babyface" "Daddy's Gonna Pay for Your Crashed Car" "Some Days Are Better Than Others" "The First Time"

1. Pop

"Do You Feel Loved" "Miami" "The Playboy Mansion" "If You Wear That Velvet Dress" "Wake Up Dead Man"

1. All That You Can't Leave Behind

"Wild Honey" "Grace"

1. How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb

"Love and Peace or Else" "A Man and a Woman" "Crumbs from Your Table"

1. No Line on the Horizon

"Cedars of Lebanon"

I think each member of the Wp u2 has to have this list so they would knnow what to do next...  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:54, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Please, read WP:NSONGS first. Also, there is stll a list of songs recorded by U2. I will check them out and get back to you on whether they are notable. Also, we need to see if there is enough material. We could collect the material about these songs on a sandbox and then move contents to newly created article and/or to the article of the related album, on a case-by-case basis. In case we are certain that a song is notable and there is enough material for a non-permanent stub, which means an an effective article, then we can add the song to the project to-do list as a red link. Also read The "Croughton-London" rule when you have time.
A question. Do you have access to google or yahoo? If your answer is yes, then you have access to the cached pages they store on their web servers. This does not apply to all web pages and all websites, but it could be useful to you –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:10, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I have access to google only when I go to a school near to my house, not at work. I go there once in a while to download some cached oage for me to read about Bono and his mates ;). But I can't go there too often.

I am a little complicated now, I am taking exams to get into college (Havana University) and I am writing my 3rd novel, this time is a fanfic, and I am having a fight with my two main characters :O, I am stuck on it.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:20, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I have seen in other occasions that u2.com isn't chached. That is a great source for information about the songs. I will read what you post above ;) Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Have a great weekend! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you leaving??? Don't leave me alone. Can you see what this is TheGlobeandMailFogel  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I've got to go. See The Globe and Mail and Arthur Fogel. See you later (next week), alligator! :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:59, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, see you later. i can't remember a quote I heard the other day, it was almost like see u later alligator but with gary Sinise  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you Online?? 2013-04-14

Hello!! How was your weekend?? I just came form my last exam for getting into Havana University.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:15, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I hope it went well!
I've copied the list of "missing" U2 songs to User:Pjoef/Sandbox/Arts#Most wanted U2 songs. Three songs 4th of July (U2 song), Babyface (song), Daddy's Gonna Pay for Your Crashed Car, and Wild Honey (U2 song) already have their own article. Red Light (U2 song), Freedom for My People, and Heartland (U2 song), as you can see, are red links. All others songs/articles are redirects to their proper albums. I'm going to check them one by one, but it will take a long time to finish. At the moment, I've only done the first song of the list.
Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Wao! Thanks. Take a look at the new barnstar User:Antonu posted on the WP:U2 talk Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U2#WP_U2_New_barnstar . Also, take a look at this User:Miss_Bono/My_Future_Work. Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:05, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. The U2 Barnstar is very well done. I took a look at your page. What about moving User:Pjoef/Sandbox/Arts#Most wanted U2 songs to your page? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

De acuerdo. I agree ;) Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

(hopefully) I will do it tomorrow morning, unfortunately I am very busy in these days. Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Where do you work at? I am working as a computer scientist (which was what I studied) Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I work wherever they pay me (more and better) :). Do you have Opera (web browser) >= 10 installed? It has a service, "Opera Turbo", that can (or promises to) speed up web browsing on a slow connection through a proxy server and server-side data compression. If you have Opera installed and access to its Turbo service, you could be able to visit the rest of the web. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, but I'm afraid I don't have Opera installed I use Firefox. I'll try that at the school I go to see if that works for me. Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

It was just an idea. I've copied the list of the missing songs to your page, but had not the time to work on it. I'm now updating WP U2's tasks and to-do list. I'll post a report for you as soon as I have finished. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:22, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been watching your work on that. It is really GREAT!! I add some picture to the departments, I didn't know how to add some shadow effect to it or another effects but, I'll learn (If I don't get M.I.A.) lol Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

For the Wikipedia pictures tutorial see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. If you want to add shadows and other style effect you need to use CSS and CSS3 (level 3). There is a great site for learning and testing CSS/CSS3 at www.w3schools.com→css→css3, but you probably do not have access to these resources. Include your image(s( within a <DIV> element and add a box-shadow to this element:
<div style="box-shadow: h-shadow v-shadow blur spread color inset|none=outset;">[[File:...]]</div>
The first two values are REQUIRED and accept negative values. All other values are optional. For example
<div style="width: 200px; height: 50px; background: yellow; margin-top: 30px; box-shadow: -20px -20px 10px 10px black">HELLO WORLD</div>
produces:

HELLO WORLD

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Bono R&B

This user Tombowell097 edit the infobox of Bono's article and add to the Genre field R&B. Just because he had sang 2 or 3 R&B song doesn't mean he sing that genre. What should I do?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I remember there is something like an essay about this, but I cannot find it atm. I usually do not care about this. Reverting the edit will push forward to an edit war. In this (so very special) case, alternative rock is a genre of rock music, so it is not necessary (IMO), I do not know what "post-punk" is. Is it a post-apocalyptic era? IMHO, Bono is a Pop/Rock singer. Anyway, I'll remove I've removed R&B from his article :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Hehehe Thanks. What does (IMO), (IMHO) means?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Oops, imo=in my opinion; imho=in my humble opinion. :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:23, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

To-do list and tasks

Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/leftpanel/to do now redirects to Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/to do. The latter is now transcluded in Wikipedia:WikiProject U2 (through Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/leftpanel) and in Template:WikiProject U2. Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/tasks is trascluded in Wikipedia:WikiProject U2 (through Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/rightpanel). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:23, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

YoU are a Genius!!! i would give you another U2 barnastar but I don't know if you would accept it. ;) Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

No, no, THANKS!!! It was in my tasks, and for a long time. Maybe you forgot about this. lol –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Calm down. It was a joke. ;P Got you!! Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

:D
I read your request at Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2#Looking_forward:_article_pushes_to_FA.2C_and_cleaning_up_the_garbage. Form and Style in the Music of U2 is 6.13 MB/174 pages, and I cannot post it here for you (nor for others). Could you ask Jim (Cullen) to send you a copy? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure, when he gives signs of life. haven't heard of him in a couple of days? I am working in my guestbook. Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Image for userbox

take a look at this discussion and see if you have any ideas for the "image" on the new userbox ;) Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Where is this discussion? :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Guestbook 2013-05-16

I just created my guestbook, i'd like you to sign it. and feel free to spread the news. Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure! What's your favourite (all time) writer? :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Dan Brown... Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

have you signed it yet?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

DONE! :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!! for a second I though you'd open your address book (like if you were friend with all writers) and you'd call Dan Brown to sign it I'm joking. Thank you! :) Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, dear (said Miss Bono with a Scottish accent)

It's been a while since I don't hear form you. How you doin'?? Take a look at this Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2#General_reference_list Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Awrite hen! ←→ ¡Hola querida [amiga]! ←→ Hello dear [friend]! ;)
I am very busy at the moment and with very-very little time for anything (including Wikipedia). Thanks for asking! Hope you had a good weekend.
I'll have a look at this list? … but it seems to be okay. What's the problem with it?
Mis mejores deseos. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Wao! Utilizaste el traductor de Google o sabes hablar Español? :) Which language did you use in the first translation?? I just pointed it out for future uses, and sorry I meant this. Nos vemos cuando tengas más tiempo!! :) Cheers!! Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Also I think it would be useful to point this and this out to all the members to see if they are able to assist. What do you think??? If some idea of how we can do that, please let me know asap. salU2←→Greetings with a pun on U2. Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Puedo hablar un poco de español. Machine-translation can help, but I haven't used it. "Awrite hen" is Scottie for "hello dear", of course. :) Unfortunately collaborations do not have a "great success" here and usually have little chance to progress. Anyway, why not to try, Miss Bono? Saludos! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

yeah, but "how"?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This is a good question for which I do not have a definitive answer. lol If it's true that the night brings counsel, then let me think about it. :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I will definitely wait for your answer. I'll think about it too. I also think that we have to know the "Why" of its bad success and then try to change it in our own favour. Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The first thing that comes to my mind is that two collabs departments are, in fact, too many to run. I think that one is enough and may work better in the long term. Both have never produced any results. whereby, a merger of the two would be desirable. Their "bad success", or rather their failure depends on many factors. Despite the fact that Wikipedia is a community I have noticed in recent times that participation in WikiProjects is diminished. I'm participating in several WPs and it's always the same thing. For example the last drive of the WikiProject Wikify involved only a few number of editors when compared to previous editions. It's the same at WP:MOTD where there are at most four to six contributors, while in the past there were at least a dozen of participants. This is something that I would like to bring to the attention of Wikipedia, but I have not yet found the time to make a more accurate investigation. Time is a tyrant! And, I have very little time now (e.g. for this). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello My Friend!!!

How are you?? It's been a huge while since I don't hear about you! :) Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hola señorita Bono, all is fine with me, thanks for asking. I'm working full time on a new project, which means that I don't have a lot of spare time on my hands at the moment. I hope you are doing well. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Great! Good luck with your project. I am good, working to improve my skills. I look forward to hear from you again :) Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:39, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes! I really need an extra dose of good luck :)! Thank you, señorita. All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:14, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

New hello

Hey! How are you doing? How's your project?? Miss Bono ^(zootalk) 12:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

¡Hola Miss Bono! I'm fine, thanks for asking. Hope you are well too. The project technically is okay, but the client is currently busy with other issues, so now I am at a standstill. I think it will be a very long 'n' hot summer then :D. HaPpYy SuMmErTiMe in advance!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I am fine. Wondering when will you return? We miss you, amigo. have a great summer time as well Miss Bono ^(zootalk) 12:49, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm more or less always present :D. If you were referring to this … well I'll do it next month. Many thanks for your kind wishes. Bestest! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:49, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't refering to that. But... It is nice to hear that you will work on it. I need a huge help (well not that huge.) I need you to check this out. Can you help? Miss Bono ^(zootalk) 14:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure! I'll collect news articles and other sources, and post all of them on top of your page. All contents must be rewritten and then removed from your sandbox. Contents form EDUN, DIESEL, and etcetera are WP:PRIMARY, but I know that you do not have full access to the Internet, so I'll also post them for you. Gucci, Dolce & Gabbana, Armani, Louis Vuitton, and LVMH articles should be used as templates (sections, style, contents, and etcetera) for EDUN.
HaPpY SUMMERTIME & enjoy the Caribbean Sun (for me)! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It is very sunny today, but we have rain announced for late afternoon :) Miss Bono ^(zootalk) 12:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

EDUN

Hi, Thereoadislong says the headquarters are in Ireland. But you or TheOriginalSoni post it was in Kenya, Morocco, Madagascar, Uganda, Tunisia. Where can you get the exact information?? Miss Bono ^(zootalk) 13:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I think you may have miss-understood the meaning of headquarters? The company is based in Dublin Ireland [17] but products are made in all those other countries. Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

OK, Theroadislong. Thanx. I just wanted to make sure because I don't have internet to make the proper research by myself. Miss Bono ^(zootalk) 13:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, headquarters and factories are in all of those countries you have mentioned, plus Peru and China (as Theroadislong correctly said). Its head/registered office has been recently moved from Dublin to the Netherlands (or it is going to be moved to … for tax related problems :D). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I am going to edit the EDUN article as I understood what you both said. Feel free to revert it if it is wrong. Miss Bono ^(zootalk) 13:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

The Clarence Hotel and Ali Hewson

Hello Pjoef. Thanks for the link the other day. Hope you have had a good weekend. If possible I need you to find for me any info you can get about The Clarence Hotel, I want to start the article. And as for Ali Hewson, I am palnning to take it to FA Class, maybe you can help me finding info about this sections (seems like they have a lack of info compared to the other sections in the article):... Thanks! Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 19:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

A google search for "Clarence Hotel" "Ali Hewson" returns 7,760 results. Are you looking for some particular information? What happens if I find something? Where can I post the most relevant of them? → User:Miss Bono/sandbox8 or User talk:Miss Bono/sandbox8 or wherever? Is this hotel related to EDUN's article?
The following is taken from the press page of its website:

Built in 1852, The Clarence had last been refurbished during the late Thirties in the Arts & Crafts style originating from when the hotel was first built.

By the Seventies, while still retaining a sense of Old World charm and dignity, it was past its prime. At the same time, the ranks of the original clientele, once drawn primarily from the clergy, judiciary and visitors from the provinces, were swelled by the artists, musicians, writers and designers who began to make the Temple Bar area their own.

Among the regulars were two members of the rock group U2, Bono & The Edge, whose fond recollections of their youthful haunt led them to assemble a consortium of Irish investors and purchased the hotel in 1992 with a view to restoring it to the former glory of this Dublin city hotel.

To realise their vision, the owners assembled a team of professionals from both Ireland and abroad. The result of their collaboration, guided by the owners' directive that the design respect the country's quintessential Irish heritage and character.

A hotel like The Clarence is inevitably a personal vision, and for the owners, The Clarence is where they would choose to stay when visiting Dublin - a hotel in Temple Bar that is at once simple but elegant, unpretentious but luxurious, that is modern but also embodies the best of traditional Irish hospitality.

Of course it is a primary source, but it can give us an idea of what we are trying to find. Bestest! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Pjoef and thanks a lot. Plese, see here Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 12:31, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Hola, señor Joe! Muchas gracias por todo lo que ha hecho. Thaaaaaanxx!!!!!! Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 19:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Recent changes 2013-07-11

Hello Joe. I am bothering you cuz I dont know if I should revert the las change made to Bono's article. Some user added the Irish Christians catergory. What do you think? Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 19:24, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Irish Christians features 9 pages only, including Bono and The Cranberries' singer Dolores O'Riordan. Is Bono an Irish Christian, a Catholic, or a Roman Catholic (his mother was a member of the Church of Ireland [Anglican] while his father was a Roman Catholic)? Some of the other pages/persons listed there belong to that category. In any case and by reading his article the only link is that when he was young he served for the Church of Ireland. I'm dubious and I personally think that this categorization is irrelevant. What do others think about this? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I will ask the others. Thanks. I think he is Anglican but he has problem saying his actual religion. Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 12:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:U2 2013-07-16

Hello, 'P'. I was surfing Wikipedia for new things to do and I found this. I was thinking about creating one of those for our WikiProject, I think it'd be cool. What do you think? Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 13:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:SOCIOLOGY has some 4,000 pages so it is simple (and useful) for them to have a page like that, while WP:U2 covers 400 pages (including categories, files, portal and project pages, and templates). Are you able to create that kind of list/table and do you have access to the proper tool[s] at toolserver.org? If your answer is yes and you are not sure about the final result, then start it from a sandbox of yours and see what will happen. If you will get a good result then start the project page immediately. Otherwise, I will (try to) help you with this. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Hehehe, I don't have access to the toolserver. :P... Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 18:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The good news is that there is a tool (WikiProject Popular pages lists) at toolserver that can make the job for us; the bad news is that it is not possible to make a new request. They say that they have performance issues and that this problem will be fixed by next November. I'll investigate further tomorrow and let you know what I find out. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:27, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Finger crossed. Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 20:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I have spent the last two days around to see how to deal with this thing, a ring-a-ring o' roses …

A pocket full of posies,
A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
We all fall down.

 :)
The following list shows some possible solutions (in reverse order):

• there is a tool at toolserver (Wikipedia article traffic statistics, which is in alpha version) that can show the views counts (per page). I tried it out, but it does NOT function;
• Wikipedia article traffic statistics at stats.grok.se runs well but it reports at least the last 90 days. For example: U2 has been viewed 356101 times in the last 90 days. This article ranked 3637 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org;
• It would be easy to me to run a query and extrapolate (extract) data from the database, but I'm not a database administrator or operator on Wikimedia and Wikimedia servers. I could download the whole database (it's a BIG file) or data dumps from Page view statistics for Wikimedia projects.
• WikiProject Popular pages lists is my favourite choice. It automatically makes queries to the database for hitcount data (per WikiProject), makes graphs, and some minor operation like a summary count of the views for all pages in the WikiProject, adding page views of a redirect page to its related page or per day/per page average. It is the tool used by some Wikiproject for this scope (including Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sociology/Popular_pages).

The last option is my favourite… I will make a request for adding Wikipedia:WikiProject The Clash to that list of WikiProjects on next November. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:18, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

The last option is great!!!.... What's wrong with ring-a-ring o' roses? Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 12:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, check this out (the part that referes to the WP U2) and tell me your thoughts about making a contest... User_talk:Miss_Bono/Archive_4#Re:_Importance_of_a_WikiProject. Have a good day! :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 16:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean with "contest"? There are several kind of contests here on the English Wikipedia; for example a drive is a sort of contest. In any case WP:U2 has not a great number of members/participants and it is also summertime (by chance I am just listening to Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong singing that song … music talks to me ~ lol) and I think it would be better to plan something for next October. I'm now [listening to] Walking on the Moon and I've got to leave this planet :D "Keep it up, keep it up…" :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we can plan something, but I need to know what kind of contest are in Wikipedia, so I can think better. By the way, I am listening to this right now. Lovely, the part of Pav... Do you like that song? I do like Walking on the Moon Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 18:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Brian Eno is a favourite of mine and I really like Pavarotti singing Italian arias, but I do not like the theme and lyrics of that song at all. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:27, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Ummm, I wonder whose the fault?? I love Pavarotti too.... :) Actually I like The Three Tenors a lot Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 20:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Bill Carter, of course. He inspired Quentin Tarantino to shoot Kill Bill. I'm joking :D.
Here are some contests:

• Wikipedia:WikiCup
• Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links – DAB Challenge leaderboard (each month)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives (every two months)

Some WikiProject organizes drives for assessing or reassessing, and improving articles that belong to them. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I will check them out right now... I'll let you know. Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 12:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

User_talk:Wasted_Time_R#ONE_Campaign

Please, take a look at this... Thoughts?? Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 14:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I need to know what Wasted Time R said about a controves[y|ial] section within EDUN's article. Controversy (or controversies) is widely used both as page name and sections' titles (or part of). In my opinion it's okay to use this section title for this article. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Wated Time response It was a great response, actually I pointed everything what is wrong... Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 11:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

What do you think? Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 12:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

About Wated Time R's reply on your talk page or about the ONE Campaign article? "Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere" I 110% agree with Wated Time R. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Please, P, see the last two edits in Paul McGuiness article. I see something wrong but I cannot tell exactly what is it Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 12:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Checking it out… PAY ATTENTION: he is Paul McGuinness with 2 "n". This means that there are seve[ral|n? errors scattered all around].→FIXED! … 12:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

• 20:55, 18 July 2013‎ 90.46.5.110 – Moved two paragraphs to Other Activities (on top of);
• 20:52, 18 July 2013‎ 90.46.5.110 Changed "Early life" to "Personal life"; added citation for "Before becoming involved with U2…"; moved 2 paragraphs from "Personal life" (old section) to the end of "Personal life" (new section; ex-"Early life"); renamed "Personal life" (old section) to "Other Activities". "Activities" should be in lower case!→FIXED!

That's all. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

U2 Albums

Thanks! Also, I wanted you to see this. What you think, ah? I am trying to figure out how to arrange the in a table... Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 12:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

You have a great collection of U2's albums. Do you have them in CD or LP format? I own one or more copies of their first four albums in LP format, and a couple of them are still new and packaged in cellophane. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Haha, I wish! I only have one in CD (The Box Set of No Line On The Horizon), everything else is in digital format... My dream (that I know I will never get) is to have Achtung Baby in CD.... :'( They don't sell those here and if they did... It would cost like 50 bucks... and I cannot afford it... too expensive.... So I will never reach my dreams :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 12:51, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the links! :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 12:52, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Does Amazon.com have access to your country? Achtung Baby Audio CD has a price of $11 (10.99 lol ~ $5 in other stores) and $21.85 ($9.48 in other stores) for the 2011 2 CD Deluxe Edition and circa $110–$120 for the vinyl box set :D. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think Amazon have access to my country. I am 99.9% sure of that... I am destined to wander all my life with my collection of digital albums :'(. P.S. It's pretty cheap in Amazon. I spent my whole life asking (all in Spanish) everywhere I go: Do you have any U2 (English pronunciation) album, they'd say Who?, and then I'd say oo-dos (Spanish pronunciation) and then they'd go again like Who? and then I'd say The Irish Rock band and thennn, I think just for shame they'd say No, we don't have it... All they have is Daddy Yankee, Don Omar... and stuffs like that... Not even Pavarotti :( Miss Bono ^[zootalk]☆ 13:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Edits and a new GA

Hi, Pjoef... I am back from holidays! I went to a night club called The Yellow Submarine. Pretty nice and a Beatles enviroment. There was a live band playing... awesome. I sang along House of The Rising Sun... Cool!. Anyways! We have another GA article, 2, in fact: 360º Tour and Wide Awake in Europe. I tried to add them to the WP U2 but I couldn't... too messy for me. I was hoping you could do it. Also, some IP made an edit on Beautiful Day but, with my poor interface I cannot see what is about. Can you check that out?.... Thanks! Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back! Beautiful Day has been fixed by Theroadislong ("received acclaim from critics" → "received mostly positive reviews from critics") :) — and yes, I will be happy to help with those GAs. Next September? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Or maybe you can tell me how to add them to the Article Alerts and I'll do it :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

By the way you should see this User_talk:I_Jethrobot#Help_with_date. I am also working in the summary in a Microsoft Office Word at home. Made some good things. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:40, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Did you mean FA? Both articles are GA. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:02, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Hold on. I think there is a misunderstanding here. I meant, we should add the new GA articles to the alert articles list or somewhere in the WP:U2. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Article alerts is an automated page edited and updated by AAlertBot, and there is no need to make any changes to it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:47, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

There have been a few good things this previous months. I am thinking about a Newsletter for agoust. What do you think? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

October or November. There is a page Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Log where it is possible to log WP:U2 and realted results, but it is not updated (c.a. 2011). I found some undelivered newsletters. A list is here, just below the WP:U2 and U2 categoires. I would like to move one of them to something like "newsletterdraft" and then use it as first draft for future newsletters. There is also Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newslettereditors where we can add our usernames (the page is unlinked by other pages, which means that it is not used atm.) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

We had a black out form 9am to 6:30 pm yestarday. I am going to check everything right now :) Thanks! Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I've created and added several WP:U2 talk pages to {{WikiProject U2}} and the result is: Category:Project-Class U2 articles. The most of them are redirects to the proper talk page (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U2 and eventually Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U2/Outreach). So, if you want to reach this page by following this category just click on the link right to "(Redirected from" and then on "Project page". Several pages are unused/never used/unlinked pages. Another useful link, ehich provides about??? the same results of the WP:U2 categorization, is: Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2. Also, there is a draft for the upcoming newsletter :).... –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Cool! :) I am going to update it. I think it is better to have it for October, since they release album in Sept :)... I will have to wait until 2015 to have the new album :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I just found a bot which has been programmed to deliver the WP U2 newsletter since 2007. Check this out ♣ Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:33, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

what's the name of the bot? a link? :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:43, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I gave a link in a shamrock up there Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

and what about a Special Edition of the newsletter when the new album is out?? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Dunno! We do not have enough for two issues (nor for one :)) at the moment. We could replace Rattle and Hum in the From editors section (wich is "good" for a future newsletter) with the new album, and make it a special[a[b]]normal edition :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:43, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

What does the [a[b]] mean? I think we both are two heads thinking. What about asking the other members some ideas. Thoughs? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm a little worried about a blank space in the Newsletter. What can it be fill with? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:)

:))

:)))

:))))

:)))))

:D

Let's follow this discussion here. I feel like I am bombarding your talk page. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:51, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

No :D write it directly into the draft! (with your signature and time when necessary) Are you referring to the Vaillancourt Fountain? :D Its description is okay. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Should I write in the draft?? ohhhh, so many questions!! Sorry :( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding U2's song

Do we have an explanation on why Bono named the song "Bullet the Blue Sky". Isn't Bullet a noun instead of a verb? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

"Bullet" is also a verb that means to speed at great velocity or to make a fast shot. The song is an anti-war song that takes its cue from Reagan/US foreign policy and nazi-fascist/military dictatorships in El Salvador and in Central America during the 1980s. Its title (and lines) in my opinion means to fill the sky with bullets/projectiles. Why are you asking me this? Do you want to improve its article? Or is it related to the newsletter, or just curiosity? The Only Band That Matters, who wrote the "rule book" for U2, faced this theme on "the triple" (catalogue number: "FSLN1"; and my all time favourite album) in 1980. Bono was in El Salvador in 1985 (circa) with Amnesty International. The song and its album (TJT) were released in March 1987. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:11, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I knew what the song is about. And knew what happened in El Salvador. I was thinking about improving the article, use it in a subsequent Newsletter and just for curiosity... I didn't know that bullet was also a verb... Bullet the Blue Sky is the #1 in my list of favourite songs in TJT :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

My favourite song by The Clash is "Should I Saty Or Should I Go"... Is on the list of the 500 greatest songs of all time. pretty cool song! Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Words for Summary 2013-08-05

P, I am running out opf words to start the next chapters' summaries. You already used these: follows, reconstructs, testifies, deals.... :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I dont know how I can help, try to "summarize" :D create a scheme that applies to all chapters with period (recording sessions, albums, events, tours, ...), interviews and photos shoots locations and contents (and archives for photos; U2's archive/personal/family archives), popular quotes (used or cited by mass-madia) and/or well known or prize winner photos.... Dunno! :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! Can you help me with this, please... or at least show me the way to do it? It seems like I need to implement somethingbut I don't have a clue. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It needs to be updated manually (it is not an automated portal). For a portal that automatically change its featured contents check out this one. I will do it, but next September. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

pjoef, we have a problem at the portal. There is a mole digging in the hole under the Categories box. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

put a trap or build a new house to the mole and its family :D There is no problem. The height of the two central columns depends on their contents and varies according to the size of the random selected picture, article, and bio (the combination of the three; and we will add YKs and quotes very soon). It also depends on how much wide is the browser window. Did you try to push the "Show new selections (purge)" button? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:38, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I have a bunch of DYK for you!! :) Did you know that at the beggining of The Unforgettable Fire (song) Larry it's heard saying shit?? Hahaha! I ahve more. I will type them and you fix the grammatical mistakes and stuffs :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Please, post all of them in Portal:U2/Did_you_know#Candidates (at the very end of this section, after Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Outreach/pastnewsletters#DYK.3F. It would be great if others could assist with this and Portal:U2/Quotes (and Portal:U2/Selected article, Portal:U2/Selected picture, and Portal:U2/Selected bio too). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Try to ping a few members of the WP U2. I'll be posting the DYK Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, please, follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:Did you know. We will use them for portal, newsletters, and Wikipedia:Did you know nominations. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:37, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Possible candidates for Selected bio could be Guggi and Gavin Friday. What do you think? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:46, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

All biographies that belongs to the project. Add them to the list at end of Portal:U2/Selected article, after Willie Williams (set designer). Remember that it is good practice to use the lead section of an article. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Should I include the Larry/shit dyk? I don't think so. What do u say? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

We strictly follow all the guidelines at Wikipedia:Did you know. Is this "shitty" thing featured in at least one article? If your answer is yes, then it is eligible. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so, although it should be, but well... is better to follow the rules :) I added to DYK. Check them out, please. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeshhhh! We now need other 36 DYKs ONLY!!! :D Then, when we have some 50 DYKs, we need to sort all of them by topics or by date (chronologically) :D. There are two more DYKs within Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newsletterdraft. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I have a concern. This is what Bono says in the book:
Bono: It's like cell divisions, our songs keep shedding their sking and a new song emerges. 'Native Son' was inspired by leonard Peltier, the Native American rights activist, and it was an interesting idea for a song. On its way to becoming 'Vertigo' it stopped off at the mezzanine floor and turned into 'Shark Soup'.

Here's the deal, I understood that the song was first Native Son and then Shark Soup and then Vertigo, but, as English is not my native language I might got it wrong. What do you understand after reading it. If I got it wrong, feel free to change the DYK. Thanks! :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:45, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Do not use books or other sources. I could search the web for DYKs about U2 and find tons of ready-to-use materials. We need to extrapolate and create our DYKs from all Wikipedia articles related to U2. About your question, see "Vertigo". "Shark Soup" is an unreleased demo (but also a version of "Vertigo") from that period/album. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S.: What about starting from Rattle and Hum? We will use them for the upcoming newsletter. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Agree Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I centred all the pictures @selected pict. And I am gathering lots of quotes. How many do you need? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

For when you come back

What about making one of this for WP U2 Wikipedia:WikiProject_Amusement_Parks/Collaboration/Operation_B&M. enjoy the sun! Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, Pjoef! Did you know that I got the wikification drive for August started up a few days ago? I noticed no one else has joined up yet, so I'm spreading word about it. Cheers! :) Can you decipher this acronymical code? CYDTAC (Hint: It's really easy!) (talk) 06:01, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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Will you teach me how to create Scalable Vector Graphics. I know how to create one in Adobe Illustrator but the ones I create pixelate at 500, 1000, 2000 pixels. How to solve this?    ☸    12:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Sohambanerjee1998 13:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks Thanks Thanks. Once I create a nice SVG File I will display it to you at first. One question though look at this file -

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Where to add this rect command? Sohambanerjee1998 19:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks thanks and again thanks. You are extremely helpful I must admit.Sohambanerjee1998 08:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes for sure. Sohambanerjee1998 09:18, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Cheers! Editing with a pen leads to a lot of things unsaid. (talk) 14:37, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi! (2013-09-03)

Welcome back. How was your vacations? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so very much, L.! It was very nice and very funny, thanks for asking. I hope you are doing fine. Bestest! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry being late in my answer I am so so so busy trying to learn something else about databases. Now I am trying to make my way with pgAdmin III. Good to know you are good. There have been severla incidents since you were gone. I first decided to quit Wikipedia and then I didn't and... too confusing :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries and take all the time you need to reply.
I'm a db admin on a dozen of db servers, so if you need help with databases please contact me! What book[s] are you using to study database and/or PostgreSQL? The full documentation for pgAdmin III 1.16.1 is available online at pgadmin.org/docs/1.16. I suppose you do not have access to this resource due to your firewall and internet connection related problems. Please PM me if I can help.
This world is full of too many idiots, just ignore all of them!
I've added more articles and biographies to Portal:U2. One of these days I would like to add the {{random portal component}} for quotations and DYKs→( 11:52, 4 September 2013 (UTC)). I've also taken a look at WP:U2/Outreach/newsletterdraft and U2 by U2. I'll let you know what I think, especially with regard to the latter.
Best!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:24, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ohhh you are so so so nice :) Thanks for offering your help. :D... I will ask you if I ever need something. I am receiving classes on database. Professors at my former tech school weren't good with db so they always passed the classes, so I'd opened the books and study by myself :).
Regarding U2:Portal... It's a big thing the random portal component 0_o... I will take a look at what you've add to the portal :) and... as for the newsletter draft: Two users left the project and 2 more joined us... so... I guess it's karma :). Let me know if i can do something there. Best! Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

It is a very good idea to study db by yourself. My advice is to study SQL language, which applies, with minor differences, to all major RDBMS such as Oracle, MySQL, MS SQL Server, PostgreSQL and DB2/Informix.
We are now using the random portal component for Articles, Bios, Pictures, and DYKs sections. I've copied all the quotations related to U2 from WikipediA's articles and WikiQuote. Now, I'm removing all the duplicates and trying to group all of them by period/date, album, and/or author. Even if I copied them from WikiQuote, which is in the public domain, I am not sure if we can use U2's lyrics. Also, the multi-line lyrics will produce a very tall quotes box, and, subsequently, the column to which the quotes box belongs would become too tall either. We have several possibilities: 1. to not use the lyrics at all 2. to use the lyrics but writing them all on one line by replacing new lines with slashes "/", 3. to show only one quote at a time. When I have finished to organize that page, then we will take care of this problem. If you want to know how it runs then check out the DYK section of the U2 Portal. There are (atm) 25 subpages (one for each of the DYK) and 5 random portal components (rpc). The first rpc calls subpages from 1 to 5, the second → 6–10, the third → 11–15; the fourth → 16–20, and the fifth and last → 21–25. We will change these values ​​depending on our future needs (5 groups seems to be good both for DYK and quotes). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

This is a full list of [Special:Search?search=U2&prefix=Wikipedia%3ARecent+additions&fulltext=Search+archives&fulltext=Search DYKs related to U2] Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:41, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Good news (2013-09-04)

Follow the rainbow Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Great! Answer all the questions, and you're done! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:58, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

May I ask if you want to participate??? O.o You have done so so so so so so (and many more sos) for the project. I mean, you helped me to put things together and then the roll back and the cleanup and everything you have done. WP:U2 is active because of you :D. Thanks! Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can! :D ...But I will wait for other valuable editors such as Dream out loud, Melicans, and Y2kcrazyjoker4, ... as well as your answers before responding because I was not very active on FA/GA front. Also, you are the real "revamper" of the project, while I'm just a mere technician and worker. When is the deadline to apply, the 2nd of October or before? I've added it to my "Special watches" list. Please add this to the upcoming newsletter (or I will do it later). Thank you very much, L.! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:51, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I think I can manage adding it to the draft :). I was thinking about waiting for Melicans, DoL and Y2 answers :P... The interview is for 2 October. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 16:11, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

So so so sorry I didn't add the interview to the draft... I got lost in some issue that blew my mind. Sorry sorry... Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

There is no problem! The portal DYK section has been now completed. Right now, it features 56 facts related to U2 (33 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page; all others are from our past newsletters). I've also added more info to the portal peer review. I'm now working on portal quotes. All quotes are now grouped by author/album/date except for those coming from our past newsletters (atm they are at the bottom of the page, but I'm working on them). Some quotes are too big and lyrics from U2's songs have the same problem. I'm not sure on how to proceed, but I would like to complete this section in a couple of days. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

What about the /s for the lyircs. Having them on the same line separated with /, as you said before. I can find shorter quotes for you. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think I'll go with slashes for lyrics, but I am not 100% sure about the use of lyrics as free content. Yes, Wikiquote uses them and it is in the public domain, but this is the English Wikipedia and it is far more important (and visited) than Wikiquote. Also, there are some quotes that are very-very long, I think that I'll reduce them. I'm going to work on a case by case basis.
P.S.: I need sources and dates for some quotes in all those cases where there are two or more question marks [?]. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I can find short quotes for you in U2 by U2. It clearly says at the end: NO part of this book may be used or reproduced in any manner whatsoever without written permission except in the case of brief quotations embodied in critical articles and reviews. Also we can choose the shortest lines of the lyircs, I think that there are a bunch very short but touching. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

We do not need more quotations…

…but to short the existing ones, and remove duplicates and unnecessary and irrelevant quotations (or parts of them). Can you help me with this? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure I can. How will I know the ones which are irrelevant and unnecesary? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:09, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

You are the expert on this matter, so you can ask yourself this question however. :D I'm kidding lol
Well, some of the quotes taken from Wiquote have some parts in boldface, but I removed it. I think it is best to go with the ones (or parts of) we like the most. Just do NOT remove all quotes tagged as Used before or with a small text indicating one of ours newsletters. Those quotes have been published on the portal and/or on our newsletters, so I would like to mantain all of them. If you want I could change the colour of the font to RED for quotes (or pats of) that I do not like, and, if you agree, you'll delete those parts. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you can change the colour of the quotes you don't like :) I shall fix quotes now, my friend :D Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Can I change the colour of the font to green for the quotes I think are the best ones?? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:13, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm using another strategy: I opened the Wikiquote page for Bono and transformed the normal text into RED, which means that our normal text is in boldface on Wikiquote. Now, I'll do the same for U2 and other members quotes on Wikiquote. The answer to your green question is NOooooooooT :D because I would like to use all of them and the most important thing is to group all of them to avoid that Bono (in particular) appears in all sets of quotes at the same time. Anyway, make them green, blue, boldface, boldface+italic or whatever you like! :D I'l now change the headers to avoid edit conflicts. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Let's talk about formats! We have two cases: citations made ​​by people and songs' lyrics (part of). The first case is simple:

• "quotation..." —Author, reason or theme (if exist), source (year or date)

For the lyrics we have decided to use slashes, but what about the right part? Here are two examples:

• "lyrics..." —"Song" (Author), album (year)
• "lyrics..." —Author, "Song", album (year)

Which do you prefer? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:41, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

The author must be Bono, right?... so I prefer the first-- "lyrics..." —"Song" (Author), album (year)

Also, you have message below the four letter words comment.

Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, he (probably) is the author of all of their lyrics. There is a third option: we could eventually remove the Author part:

• "lyrics..." —"Song", album (year)

I hope that your message does not start with a Capital "F" :D

No it doesn't ;)... but I know the F word crossed his mind. There is a question for you there. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

It's dinner time here. I will continue later or tomorrow. Have a wonderful afternoon, evening, and night!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Enjoy your meal and have a wonderful night you too Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Penn or UPenn are abbreviations for the University of Pennsylvania. I think he was referring to f**k :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think that as well... in my opinion (personal opinion), I reserve judgement of what I think about him saying that word. ;) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

P:U2 Design

Can we show the box that have the WikiProject as large as the one with the introduction? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure… but I do not think it is a good idea :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, ok, I was just thinking about something to avoid that annoying black space. But, it's ok if it isn't a good idea. It must be my super duper awful interface of Wikipedia. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Moving the Wikiproject section will increase the "hole" (or move it to the left column). Let us finish the job on the quotes section and see what happen. We will take into account this problem later. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:12, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok sorry for being annoying :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

You are not annoying at all. :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Like Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Can I ask you if you don't like this line: /Well, hey now / Still got to let you know / A house just don't make a home / Don't leave me here alone, for any specific reason or just because it doesn't fit in? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:42, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I have not arrived at that point yet :D. Red-coloured texts are the normal text parts within Wikiquote. In this specific case, please, see the line below, which was published on our newsletter (Issue III - 12th August 2007). And, I would like to use all quotes previously published on WP:U2's portal and newsletters. It is missing the red part you are referring too, and this is the reason why I've marked the other line (taken from Wikiquote) in red. ☺ –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Oops! It's so confusing... So, yesterday you told me that you were going to mark in red the quotes that you didn't like (I am not sure if it was only for Bono's section) and that I could erase it if I agreed. So I did. Did you see what I did this morning (my time)? YOu can undo it if I mess it up! :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Did you mark and delete quotes by yourself (or just red parts marked by me)? If your answer is "No", then there is no problem. :D I will compare your edits later :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I think I just deleted the ones you marked in red. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:22, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Search & read: "Well, I'm using another strategy..." on the above thread. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

 Read Sometimes I just don't ask you some things because I believe (with my poor knowdlege of English) that I might upset you with so many questions when I don't understand some stuffs. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:32, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be all okay. I've got to go now. "See You Later, Alligator" :D
P.S.: if you are unsure, always ask! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I will, but you have to promise you won't get mad. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:37, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I can't get mad 'cuz I'm mad as heaven & hell, which —IMHO— is the same place :D … a place called Gaia that we, stupid humans, turned from heaven to hell. It's dinner time again. If you would like to remove other red parts :D … then you are more than welcome! If you can't … then you are equally welcome!!! :D What about removing the publishing companies informations from the quotes? For example:
U2 by U2 by U2 with Neil McCormick, HarperCollins…
becomes:
U2 by U2 by U2 with Neil McCormick…
And, what about the page numbers? Are them necessary? Also, there are some "?" that are waiting for us. I have found many of them, but there are some ??? that are still waiting for answers. Also, some songs have multiple quotes for their lyrics. I think that we should use at least 2 or 3 quotes/lyrics for each song (giving priority to those that we have used on WP:U2's related articles, portal, and newsletters). Bye for now. See you next week and have a great weekend!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Great! I will see if I can do everything before 16:30 (my time), that's when I left work. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

U2 by U2 and ??? quotes

I spent the night reading and couldn't find any of those lyrics. I'll continue reading today and will let you know. Please, don't get mad. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, there are some questions for you (and/or other editors) to answer at Portal:U2/Quotes. Please answer all questions (if you can), or I will not be able to continue this work. IMHO, we must use all quotations tagged as "Used before". All quotes are sorted by subject, year, and author, which means that they are in the exact order in which they will be stored (except for those quotes with an unknown year; they all are at the very bottom of that page). Please, tag in RED (by using <span style="color:red">...</span>) all quotes (or part of) you want to delete. Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm on it since I got to work. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

SOS; I had a huge edit conflict after answering the questions. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Fixed!?! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Did you see my answers? What's next now? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I could be wrong but some of the quotes within U2 by U2 are taken from their archives. For example: "I thought “pop” was a term of abuse, it seemed sort of insulting and lightweight. I didn't realise how cool it was.…" is featured on this book, but it was part of an article, "Growing Up With U2", written by Neil McCormick for The Daily Telegraph and Propaganda fanzine on 1 January 1997. Miss Bono, it would be great to know what are the original sources for all quotes taken from U2 by U2 (if you can). Thanks for your help! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

It could be that Neil used some quotes from their early interviews and added them to the book. I will try to find some in the pages I downloaded when I was at school when I had Internet access... You're welcome. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, I've added more quotes but now there is another hitch at: "A lot of the songs on our last album were quite abstract...". Please, take a look at it. I've also added subsections to avoid edit conflicts (just make your edits withis a subsection). Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you! (2013-09-13)

		The U2 Barnstar
		I hereby award you the U2 Barnstar for your efforts in helping Wikiproject U2. Congratulations! Miss Bono [zootalk] 14:05, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

I know, I know you didn't want me to give you another U2 barnstar, but you truly deserve this one. Thank you so much for your work in the portal. Sorry for not being there as much as you'd expected. :D You rock \m/☺\m/ Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:05, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

It's an honour to receive this prestigious Barnstar. :D Thank you, Miss Bono. I think that {{U2 Barnstar}} must be substituted :D. I did it for you. To substitute {{U2 Barnstar}}, add "subst:" after the opening braces:
{{subst:U2 Barnstar|1=Put your message here. ~~~~}}
I've updated the "U2 News" at our newsletterdraft and I would like to add some DYKs about Rattle and Hum, taken from Portal:U2/Quotes. Hopefully, we will use Portal's DYKs and Quotes for our future newsletter. All the best and thanks again. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that :D I had no idea of how to do it. It is a magnificent work the one you have done. Do you want me to choose the DYKs or you will? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

It's in the template documentation, but I've added a line within the WP:U2 main page (just below the template).
Sure. I would like to add quotes related to Rattle and Hum and transform them into DYKs. I think that there is only one quote that is suitable for this scope:
"Rattle and Hum was conceived as a scrapbook, a memento of that time spent in America on the Joshua Tree tour. It changed when the movie, which was initially conceived of as a low-budget film, suddenly became a big Hollywood affair. That put a different emphasis on the album, which suffered from the huge promotion and publicity, and people reacted against it."
Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:27, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

P.S.: Miss Bono, obviously there are many DYKs at Portal:U2/Did you know and Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2#Did_you_know.3F that we should use (except for that at Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Outreach/pastnewsletters#DYK.3F, of course). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Design of Newsletters

I was thinking about creating some images to replace the headers of the sections for images like I did with the main header. What do you think, should we give it a try? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:42, 13 September 2013 (UTC) Also thinking about making a smaller preview of the newsletter to place it in the users talk pages (like the Signpost) and add a link in the preview to the page where they will be able to see the whole newsletter. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 15:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

To my eye it seems to be excessive. Can you imagine "From Editors", "Best quote", "New Members", and "Member News" having big pictures and a very short content? Show me something.
Okay for the talk page link to the newsletter. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll make some example and will show you on Monday. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:14, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, sorry, sorry... I completely forgot... sorry!! :'( Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Interview

I have the first answer for the interview but I don't know if it has grammatical or spelling mistakes... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:51, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes Miss Bono (^__^), October is very close and I've just answered to the fourth question of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews4. Please, provide me a link to your "first answer" or use this space. The newsletter is not a problem (^__^) I strongly support the Signpost way of delivering its issues. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I have posted it with your answer and Melican's :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:17, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Assessing

It is a hard task. Do you want me to help you? What can I do? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:07, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

There is no need. Thank you, L.! I've added the B-class checklist hook to {{WikiProject U2}} and updated its documentation that now appears in both the template and the Assessmente department. Please take a look at them! :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:22, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

P.S.: Maybe you can add the six B-class parameters:

| b1 <!--Referencing & citations--> = <yes/no>
| b2 <!--Coverage & accuracy    --> = <yes/no>
| b3 <!--Structure              --> = <yes/no>
| b4 <!--Grammar & style        --> = <yes/no>
| b5 <!--Supporting materials   --> = <yes/no>
| b6 <!--Accessibility          --> = <yes/no>

… to all the 116 articles rated as Start-class. :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll be glad to do so, but, how would I know whether to say yes or no Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, at least it's the same as reviewing an article :D (^_______^)! Articles assessments are based on two main things: Quality, which is expressed by the "class" parameter, and Importance. The first refers to the overall quality of an article, and for Start/C/B-class articles can be extended with the 6 parameters above. How can I decide whether it's "yes" or "no"? :) By reading the article... :D of course :D !!! Some articles are tagged by editors... and this could help. For example, if you are logged in, you can find hidden categories within the Catgories box at the very bottom of an article, and if this article is tagged with {{cn}} then it is very likely that the answer to the first question, "b1", is "no" ... and so on. The importance (and its "Low" to "Top" scale) were introduced (if I remember rightly) by Wikipedia Version 0.5, a CD containing the best and most impotant articles taken from the English version of Wikipedia. It is my personal opinion that the "Quality" must be the same for all WikiProjects, but this is a controversial question. Imprtance varies (eg. a song by U2 has different importance values for WP:U2 and WP:Songs). Read the instructions at Template:WikiProject U2/doc#Instructions, and also Wikipedia:Peer review and related links. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, right. Here is what I am going to do. I am gonna tag all the Start Class articles and then I am going to read them and add the yes or the no. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, if you are unsure please ask. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:26, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I will. But I don't want to bother you so much. By the way, I made my first big data base. :D using pgAdmin. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations!!!

CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `MBBIGdB_fruits` (
  `id` int(10) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT COMMENT 'Primary Key',
  `parent_id` int(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT '0' COMMENT 'Nested set parent.',
  `name` varchar(50) NOT NULL COMMENT 'The unique name for fruit.\n',
  `title` varchar(100) NOT NULL COMMENT 'The descriptive title for the fruit.',
  `description` varchar(5120) NOT NULL COMMENT 'The description for the fruit.',
  PRIMARY KEY (`id`),
  UNIQUE KEY `idx_fruit_name` (`name`),
  KEY `idx_parent_id` (`parent_id`)
) ENGINE=MyISAM  DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 AUTO_INCREMENT=5;


INSERT INTO `MBBIGdB_fruits` (`id`, `parent_id`, `name`, `title`, `description`) VALUES
(1, 0, 'apple', 'Apple', 'The most popular of all fruits.'),
(2, 0, 'apricot', 'Apricot', 'Apricot provide beta carotene and a rich source of minerals and vitamin A.'),
(3, 1, 'avocado', 'Avocado', 'The only fruit that contains monounsaturated fat.'),
(4, 1, 'banana', 'Banana', 'The best-known tropical fruit.');

:D

Miss Bono, for example, my personal rating for "11 O'Clock Tick Tock" is:

{{WikiProject U2
|class=Start
 | b1 <!--Referencing & citations--> = no
 | b2 <!--Coverage & accuracy    --> = no
 | b3 <!--Structure              --> = <yes/no>
 | b4 <!--Grammar & style        --> = <yes/no>
 | b5 <!--Supporting materials   --> = <yes/no>
 | b6 <!--Accessibility          --> = yes
|importance=Mid}}

See |class=Start on the second line!!! This article (11 O'Clock Tick Tock) is —just— a little better than a Stub with one (also not so good) source; grammar and supporting materials do not apply there because there is still not enough "substance"/material (it's a very short article).
For articles, layout/structure and contents please follow our guidelines, and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Songs#Article_content (for articles about songs), Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music, MOS:FILM and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

P.S. It was about the same for: Grace (U2 song) and Gone (U2 song) … I have fixed all of them (including 11 O'Clock Tick Tock)! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I think I am not godd enough in anything :'( Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:57, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

All things seem difficult before they become easy! :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:04, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

FAC Review

We have this Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I will take a look at it, Miss Bono. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I have posted my answers, please, can you give them a quick review seeking grammatical mistakes? Pleaseeee, Cullen is on vacations. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Q2 ["Three years ago…"] is okay! just change "promothed" with "promoted" and eventually "in 9 October with "on 9…", and do not forget to sign it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Oh, I am finishing with this, I am adding images and quotes. As soon as I finish I will start taking care of U2 by U2. I must ask if you are still interested in helping me with that? :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Q3 ["I think that Joshua"]:
"The Joshua Tree was a decisive step for the band, it set[s???] (I thought that we don't add the 's' in the past tense)U2 in a high position as regards the rest of the bands at that time"??? in regard to their previous albums???
"I guess thats why" → "I guess that's why"
"I do think that we WikiProject U2" → "I do think that we at WikiProject U2" –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Q4 is missing at the moment…

Q5 ["Bono has"]:
["several not-members"] → "several non-members, including/such as Theroadislong, Wasted Time R, Anna Frodesiak, TheOriginalSoni, and Fylbecatulous,.... –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Q5 ["Editors underestimate"]:
"merging one sentence paragraphs""???

(maybe one-sentence paragraphs Usually people write one sentence and start writing another sentence like this:

Bla bla bla for that reason bla bla bla.

In 1960 bla bla bla.)

merging more sentences into a paragraph???; merging, fromatting, styling (fixing format and style)... –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

FAC Review

Rummaging through Wikipedia's "paperwork" I found some articles about women and their marriages within the opening line of the lead section. The most of them were queens consort (Catherine de' Medici, Alexandra of Denmark, Anne of Denmark, Caroline of Ansbach, Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, Mary of Teck, Mary II of England, Olga Constantinovna of Russia, Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies). The only article that I've been able to find, and that is similar, albeit only partially, to that of Ali Hewson, is: :Rachel Chiesley, Lady Grange

Rachel Chiesley, usually known as Lady Grange (1679–1745), was the wife of Lord Grange, a Scottish lawyer with Jacobite sympathies. After 25 years of marriage and nine children, the Granges separated acrimoniously.…

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pjoef, thank you very much. Can you post that into the review page? :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:36, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I think it is not relevant. Starting Ali Hewson's article with: "Ali Hewson is the wife of Paul Hewson, an Irish singer with some sympathies. …" :D would produce the opposite effect; she will appear "notable" because of her marriage with Bono. My personal opinion in regard is that her marriage is very important (before being an activist and a businesswoman). I'm fine with the opening sentence, as it is, and as it has been written by Wasted Time R. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, it means a lot to me.

Hey, I've been listening the same song for an entire week, it keeps surprising me. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:37, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

really? :D :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:49, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Really! Do you like the song? I'm trying to find a better point of view. Imagine the trip that Bono and Adam made across America. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

It is not a favourite of mine, the live version of "Bullet the Blue Sky", from that same album, is … it covers another kind of journey accross (and outside of) … :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean with it covers another kind of journey accross (and outside of)? I thought that you liked the song because of the big smile in pink, I guess it was sarcastic? :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:00, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

That isn't a smiley ":)" … but I was laughing ":D" [NOT@U :) but] at the idea that you have been listening to "Heartland" for a week ahahaha :D
With "journey" I mean a trip, a voyage, travelling, most in general, in north, central and sud America in particular, and you know the origins of that song.

You better log in :). Oh, I get it now, but what's so funny about listening a song for a week, it's rather ridiculous, I must confess, but I can't help it, I just can't. I keep finding references and coincidences in the song... and asking myself questions. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what journey means, and the origins of the song :). Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Pjoef, I am interested, what should I do? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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Lo siento :)

Hola Pjoef...

I hope you are doing great. I have a flu. I didn't want to bother you, but I am stuck in the draft of U2 by U2 and wanted to know if you can still help me :) Best! Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

¡Hola L.!
I'll take a look at it very soon. I'm busy with work and (on the Wikipedia side) with the October wikify drive, and I'm also trying to update the discography of the only band that matters (godfathers of U2 and … “the greatest rock band, they wrote the rule book for U2.” — Bono [Vox] in Let Fury Have the Hour: The Punk Rock Politics of Joe Strummer by Antonino D'Ambrosio (2004). :D ;)
A couple of weeks ago, I've copied all articles (their links, of course :D) that belong to WPU2 here. All articles are listed by the "importance scale". My idea is to remove all articles that are properly assessed (for example, U2 main article and all members' article correctly belong to "Top importance", and can be safely removed from those lists) and tag and move all others…. To learn more about the importance scale please read: Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Assessment#Importance_scale and Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Importance_of_topic. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, at first glance it seems to be okay. Just remove the Table of contents section and the "small" text under Chapter twelve. Chapters from ten to twelve seem to be not ready, then summarize and merge all contents from Chapters into Summary, and you have done.
P.S.: I hope that you soon get over the flu! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Can't remember if I've told you before that I like The Clash, they are very powerful. I will read the importance scale and the other link you pointed out.

So, that's it? Just removing, writing and merging? Wao! That's fast. Thanks! But... what about the Book reviews section, it is hard for me as a non-native speaker of English. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, this is "phase 1" of the reassessing task. In phase 2, we will change the "importance" fields for the moved and tagged articles…. About the book, I'll see what I can do. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Oooh! Cool! Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:18, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I have left you some messages at the page you linked. I need help with a WikiLove template I created myself, everytime I post it on anybody's page, it says John Doe, Miss Bono has given you... but when other user post after me, the name on the template is replaced by the name of the user who posted. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:42, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

I think it's because Template:Blank WikiLove has been using REVISIONUSER since the 23 May edit by Jerem43. --Stfg (talk) 23:45, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

The template should be substituted instead of being transcluded. I updated the documentation. Mojoworker (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

U2 by U2 Summary

When can we start working on the summary, I am so excited about it! Hope you are good. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

/O\ Oh, dear … I left a message on your talk page a couple of days ago (see the last line on that section) and there are a few questions that are waiting for you (to answer) at User:Pjoef/Sandbox/WPs#U2_by_U2_.E2.80.93_Summary. I think it's almost ready for the main namespace. Bestest! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I have responded a few of those questions and I've asked a couple of questions as well to you. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:52, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, I've replied and added one more question and a DYK suggestion. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:58, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I've replied Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Did the quotes I gave you work? See this Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_October_18 and Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_October_18 Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I've added the quotations (taken from Portal:U2). Now we need one more quotation only (for the 1982–1989 period). The most suitable seems to be: "We knew the world was ready to receive the heirs to The Who. All we had to do was to keep doing what we were doing and we would become the biggest band since Led Zeppelin, without a doubt. But something just didn't feel right. We felt we had more dimension than just the next big anything, we had something unique to offer." by Bono (and I think that I'm going to use it.)
Miss Bono, is your book of 2009? We will use your book to get the page numbers for all citations. If your book has been published in 2009 then I will provide you all parts that are in needing of their own page number. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

All the quotes I gave you were from 1982-1989. I'll keep looking for more. and yes, my book is a copy of the smallies :P 2009 from !t books Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, I've used a quotation by Bono about The Unforgettable because I prefer to use quotations that are featured on our portal instead of using new ones. I'm sorry for that, but, you know, there are copyright problems with quotations.... The summary section is ready for the main namespace. I just need the page numbers or positions (front/back cover...) of them. The numbered list (1 to 8) is at the end of the section (the part for the main namespace), under the "Page numbers/positions" header. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

P.S.: I've asked you to nominate U2 by U2 at DYK because I know that many editors count their successful DYK nominations. I just wanted to give you all credits for it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Why thank you, but all the credit for the article and the DYK goes to you. You have done a great job. I regret I haven't been so involved in the creation process. I even feel ashamed for not helping you that much. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Probably because I'm an inobtrusive worker. :D All is well that ends well! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:34, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I've just removed the section on my sandbox, but I read your latest message. You are welcome! And yes, the coffee table and paperback versions have different page numbers because of their differences in size. Bestest! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Newsletter 2.0

Yer welcome lol... Hey, should be add some non-free picts of the inside of the book to the article? Also, I am ready to keep working on the Newsletter, I have a couple ideas on the back of my mind. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

It is not a good idea to use non-free media and images on this article, even if it is in needing of one or more images (and of a proper WP:LEAD!!!). In my opinion, the book cover is enough at the moment. Search Wikimedia Commons for free pictures that are suitable for this article (if there is one). The newsletter is ready for publishing, and U2's new album will be released in 2014. Please, tell me what's on your mind? → Show me your ideas! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:03, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I will look for sure. I will show you in a tick :D... Let you know when I am done... Have you thought about the idea of making a preview and deliver it at the members' pages with a link to the whole newsletter like The Signpost? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Forgot to add this to the newsletter. Can't wait to hear the song:

It was revealed on 17 October 2013, U2 had written a song specifically for the film entitled Ordinary Love. "'Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom' Trailer Features New U2 Song 'Ordinary Love'". The Wall Street Journal. 17 October 2013. Retrieved 18 October 2013. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help).

Subscribers of the band's official website were able to hear it first. "'Ordinary Love'". U2.com. Live Nation. 17 October 2013. Retrieved 18 October 2013.

Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost way to deliver newsletters is the best way possible. Yes, I know, it's a film about Nelson Mandela, and the song is its main theme. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I can't wait to watch the film either. I am a fan of Mandiba. Have you heard the portion of the song? Oh, I am finishing the idea for the newsletter. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have watched the film trailer, which also features that song, on YouTube. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

How's the song? Is it good? I cannot hear it :'( Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I will give it 6 out of 10, but the trailer is too short, it's about 1 minute and 20-30 seconds, and there are actors' voices that are clouding the song for the most of it.

Aww, only 6... I wish I could hear it. I am praying for the song is included in the new album. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been too generous with my 6-star rating. lol –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Awww... why? Take a look at the newsletter's DYK section and tell me what do you think... be generous lol Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Because there are countless (if not infinite) super-ultra-fantastic songs in this world.
The DYK is okay (gr8) :D, but what if the newsletter theme is not an album? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Heheh I know. It was a joke. So what do you suggest, creating something more general or me crating a new one as we create future newsletters? With more general I mean something like the subject or main subject Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, it surely is an article, but "The Article", "Article", "Issue's Theme", or "Theme" do not sound very good. Probably, it would be great to use the title of the featured article (except for albums, of course :D).
P.S.: It could be "Featured content" or "Featured carticle"???
"Ordinary Love" (full version) will be released tomorrow 30 October.
I've added two more news to the newsletter.
Do you want to send it for the first days of November? If yes, then choose 2-3 quotes from Portal:U2/Quotes (a list of quotes that we have used before —on our previous newsletters— is here; do not use them, of course).
Write me if you encounter any problem. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music/Zine, when you have time. I think we can use it as our template. It is delivered in small format and has a nice badge that is used for the Zine, the small version and as a badge on users' pages. We also have our badge. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

It looks great. Hmmm I wonder if you want me to make another badge... a better one of course, I will need ideas. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

No, not at this moment. :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

"Featured content" and "Featured carticle" sounds good
Whaaat? Tomorrow will be the day!! ohhh I want to hear it wah wah -Miss Bono is crying *sniff* *sniff*--
Gonna check the news out right now.
1 Nov it's perfect. Ohh what are the quotes for? I'll be choosing them right now :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops, I was wrong, We need more DYKs for the right column (and not quotes) /o\. A list of DYKs is available at Wikipedia:WikiProject U2. The DYKs we have used on our past newsletters are here. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure we have more DYK form Rattle and Hum era. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I finished with the newsletter draft. What should I do with the way of delivering it. It has to be a cool way, like the one of Zine and The Signpost. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we don't have more DYKs from Rattle and Hum. About the newsletter delivery, I read the instructions for EdwardsBot (it's the bot used by both the Punk Zine and The Signpost. I will ask User:Benzband (of WP:Punk) for this (but now he will be alerted by the Notifications system :D). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

If you tell me what to put in I'll be glad to help! Otherwise, if you want your name added to the access list you can request at User talk:EdwardsBot/Access list (with a {{edit protected}} or {{admin help}} template to get an administrator to see your post). benzband (talk) 23:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, it is very simple to use.

1. We have to add our usernames to User:EdwardsBot/Access list We need to request access at User talk:EdwardsBot/Access list.
2. Update the "Spam" page with the message at User:EdwardsBot/Spam
3. Update the bot status to "Start" at User:EdwardsBot/Status

I'm not sure about the key string. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 21:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The key gets placed by the bot at the bottom of the message like this: <!-- EdwardsBot #### --> (in this case it's 0629). I think it's there to tell the bot that he has already delivered the relevant message to said page, so that if the delivering process gets interrupted and has to start over it won't add the message several times to the same page. Adding 1 to the previous one each time (e.g. here, it's 0628 so change to 0629) gives a unique key string and keeps it simple for the next user.

Nutshell TL;DR: The key is +1 to the previous key.

Also they're working on an easier way to deliver messages called Extension:MassMessage, which shouldn't require a key or spam page. :) benzband (talk) 23:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Ben! I knew what the key was for, but I did not understand that it was a progressive number (I thought it was a sort of identifier of the spammer/sender).
I'm collecting and I've added more facts (especially tour dates … but I'm still working on it) for The Biggest Prize in Sport on my sandbox.
I hope we can work together on another super-ultra-titanic album → NWNM…@U2be & User:Pjoef/Sandbox/Arts#Neither_Washington_Nor_Moscow … but, please, don't go on the main namespace immediately :D … "It Can Be Done!" :D This album deserves a place in heaven!!! Bestest!
P.S.: there is an interesting interview with 999's Nick Cash at this link. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the links! I couldn't find any additional sources to the ones you've already got though, and seeing as I don't know anything about the album I don't know if I'll be able to help much :( benzband (talk) 13:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome, Ben! Which one are you referring to? The Biggest... or Neither...Nor? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I was referring to Neither…Nor but it also turned out that the few sources I found for The Biggest... you had also used in your sandbox. It's not surprising though since there is little information online about these albums… yet! ;) benzband (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Memebrship list

What happened to the other memers of the project in that list? Cullen and Ultra Violet Light? (O.o) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

They all are gone!!!! :D No, I hide their usernames to test the delivery of messages throught EdwardsBot. The bot had not sent them the message but send a copy to all non-active members /o\. I've created a new list at Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newsletterdelivery for this purpose. So, we have now to change some instructions. Users now need to subscribe to the newsletter, and new members will be not automatically added to this new list. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

New draft

Let me know what do you think of the combinations of colours. Obviously, the green will be gone if you like the Joshua Tree colours I tried. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

May I ask you way there are to badges in the same header? Also... after this new newsletter, can Achtung Baby be the album? Pleeeeaasse O.o Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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I hadn't seen your sandbox! The article looks much better now :) benzband (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, can we use the track listing and release history tables from your sandbox? benzband (talk) 18:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Sure, Ben! I moved some contents from there. Do what you want to do with it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 23:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! benzband (talk) 12:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Trick or treat? :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Take the candy and don't throw eggs at my userpage lol

Now it's my turn and I have developed my own customized quote... and I guess I will have to throw the eggs to your userpage hehehe, here it goes:

Trick or Bono?

The latter is not an option, so:

"It has been announced that the world-famous Irish supreme rock group U2 broke-up today, the day of Hallowen, 31 November 2013." – Tell Tales, The Lies

Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:07, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Are the newsletter and the issue summary ready? If Yes, Miss Bono, do you want to send it out tomorrow? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Whaaat? Yes, Bono is an option. You have to flight to Ireland or London or NYC or whatever he is and bring him to me as a gift for Halloween, with an orange ribbon in his neck. :P

That's not true, right? I spent an entire week crying in 2012 when they said on the Internet that U2 possibly was going to brake-up... :'( , even my Computer Programming professor said I could take the exam the following week. I was sad, P, saaaaaad. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I think they are ready, what do you say. 1st Novemeber is great. They are going to broadcast a U2 concert tomorrow on television. I am excited. What do you know about the new song's release? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I will send it tomorrow. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:07, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Ordinary Love on Vinyl

Ordinary Love, a new song written for the upcoming movie Mandela: Long Walk To Freedom, will be released in a 10-inch vinyl pressing to mark Record Store Day on November 29th.
The sleeve artwork features a striking painting of Nelson Mandela by Irish artist and illustrator Oliver Jeffers. Oliver, along with Mac Premo, has also directed a lyric video for Ordinary Love which we'll carry on U2.com during November.
The band wrote the new song at the invitation of movie producer Harvey Weinstein and the b-side of the Record Store Day release will feature a second track, Breathe (Mandela Version). from: http://www.u2.com/news/title/ordinary-love-on-vinyl

Aww I thought we were going to have a digital release by now. :'( Thanks for the info. I will add it to the article. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Cheers! If I said "I'm miffed!", would you come running or go? (talk) 04:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:46, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Belated congrats for you, my friend! :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

¡Gracias, muchas gracias! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Fonts Test

Since I am at work, using Ubuntu and don't have those fonts installed, can yu take a screenshot of the examples you added and uploaded so I am able to see them? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

That's exactly what I need! :D ...and that's the reason why I've started the test! :D You can find all of those typefaces on Wikipedia (Clarendon (typeface), Egyptienne (typeface), Rockwell (typeface), Palatino, Georgia (typeface), ...) and on various other websites about fonts.
Please, tell me the name of the fonts used in File:WP U2 Newsletter.png, File:From the editors wpu2.png, File:U2.svg, and (possibly) The Unforgettable! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, but I would like to see how does "WikiProject U2" look like with the different fonts.

The font for File:WP U2 Newsletter.png is "Engebrechtre Bold", for File:U2.svg is Clarendon Light (my favourite and used for How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb), for File:From the editors wpu2.png is BudHand Bold, as for the font used in TUF, I will tell you after I ask at the RefDesk. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Here! there is a link they gave me at the RefDesk: the name is "Bolide". I cannot follow the link, but that's the name they pointed out for TUF. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Now I see al the fonts as if they were only Arial. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Look at what I made Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:22, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I've heard of that Mephisto[pheles] somewhere over the rainbow, but I didn't know it was Bono! Kidding a part, it looks GREAT!
I WANT!!! → (I would like to have) :D 6 articles/sections per newsletter, The first/opening section should be "Featured content" I'm studying the others. You can see something about this on the header section on top of Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newsletterdraft. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Please take a screen shoot of the fonts Claredon and Bolide for me to see it. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't have those fonts intalled on the computer I'm using right now. It is possible to see all kinds of fonts on some websites such as http://www.fonts.com – http://www.dafont.com – http://www.1001freefonts.com – http://www.fontsquirrel.com – http://www.myfonts.com and many others (but I imagine that you do not have access to them). See Clarendon (typeface) and Bodoni, and tell me if these pages are good enough for you.
P.S.: I see Rockwell, Perpetua and Perpetua Titling MT, Baskerville, Bodoni MT, Century Schoolbook, Brush Script MT, Tempus Sans ITC, and Mistral. Anyway, I moved all the tables with web safe fonts at the bottom of that page, in Resources→Fonts. I will build the CSS fonts stacks for the generic families of fonts (serif, sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, and monospace), as soon as possible.
P.S.2: Miss Bono, we need 6 sections to get something like the headers on Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry the late reply I was having some Macaroni salad for tea. Wao, thanks for your thoughts on my MacPhisto drawing.
No, I don't have access to those sites.
I like both fonts, specially Claredon

Which themes do you need for those 6 article. Don't we have a lot?
Or maybe I am misunderstanding this :D, that is most likely. Let me know. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/Outreach/newsletterdraft#Newsroom. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Should I reply there or here? look Ordinary Love (U2 song), Ultra Violet and I created the article for the new song. :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:57, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

wherever you like; well done!!! I've added it to WP:U2's main page and into the nl. Don't forget the DYK for it. What happened to U2 by U2's DYK? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It is a small article, I don't think they accept a DYK. Can you help me? I know nothing about the U2 by U2 DKY, I think they banned it because it was six days old :P Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure! U2 by U2 is pending at Template:Did you know nominations/U2 by U2. Unfortunately, Ordinary Love (U2 song) is not long enough (it needs to be at least some 1.5k words, while it is 356 words), sorry. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

---

I was thinking about giving an award to editors per nl, for their contributions or something like that

As for the sections:

• Featured content – I would like to open the nl with this section/article. It will cover several aspects of the so called issue's theme (an article related to U2 in the main namespace): the lead, its rev. history and rating and statistics... interviews to or thoughts and words (things) by editors involved with this article. It can also include the "best of" → quote, picture, and DYKs *:(Agree)
• From the editors – this is a good section, but we do not have enough participants to make this section runs, right now.

  (We have to do something, we'll never going to have enough members)

• Best of – same as for the above "From the editors", not enough members atm.
  • Best quote – this can be included within the issue theme or a "Best of" article (see above). (Agree)
  • Best picture – same as the above. (Agree)
  • Did you know... – same as the above. (We have DYKs in the WikiProject main page, (and also quotes, pictures, and themes) @Portal:U2, and here in the Outreach department.)

  (Agree)

• News and notes – I like the idea of closing the nl with this (including the references section, now "Notes"), as the last section before the nl footer, but I also like "WikiProject report" as the very last article/section.... (where this news and notes will come from? very poor section atm)

  (I have no idea, give me some time so I can think about it')

  • U2 news – within the above section "News and notes" or on the right side of other articles.
  • Project news – same as the above or within "WikiProject report". (News and Notes)
• In the media – Will we be featured on the media? :D Yes... but... in "very very bad crime news" (^_______^)

  (Sorry, it is frustrating when I don't get jokes. Do you mean us memebers of the WikiProject, in the media (tv and so)?)

  Yes, WPU2 in general. WPU2NL follows the structure of The Signpost. See its current issue or search its Archives. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

• Recent research – Which one? The next research will be conducted in Apr 1/Feb 30 2114 :D It's unlikely to be done.

  (I don't understand quite well this)

• Irregular articles – sometimes or rarely lol

  (Can you please give me an example of an irregular article?)

  All articles that do no belong to other sections. For example an opinion piece.

• WikiProject report – Tasks, to-do list, articles allerts and tools, statistics, logs, reports, new members and their interviews (why-tf did you join and what do you wanna do for WP:U2?) and etcetera.

  (Love the why-tf part. Totally agree)

Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:56, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Please Miss Bono, if you find a red link within the text at the Outreach department, the newsletter, and other related pages (for example: {{Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/Badge}}) do NOT create it. I need to know if all works fine first. Thank you. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Vacant for WP U2

I recently saw a page where there was some vacant for the work in the WP. Can you give me a link? I cannot foind it. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:11, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to an empty or to be expanded section[s] or page[s]? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

It could be, I don't remember. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Check out this link! :D I will update that (your :D) page tomorrow.←Done! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:37, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

That's not the page I saw. It was something like "We are looking for editors to work on the WP:U2 newsletter" or something. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:40, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, I think you are referring to this page! :D Isn't? Also, check out Outreach Department, Wikipedia:WikiProject_U2/newsletter ([sort of] Home/Talk page delivery of/and issue[s] summary[ies]), Archives, and the Newsroom, which is currently hosted by the Newsletter draft. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:14, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

That's the page! Thanks. I am reading the ones you pointed out, so fa I think that the Outreac page is wonderful. We still have to decided when are we going to be publishing the nls (maybe quarterly?)... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

23 December 2013! :D I think that it will published irregularly (when ready, with at least 2 or 3 full articles including the WikiProject report!!!) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I have my Christmas vacations planned from 20 Dec until early January, so I guess I will let the publishing to you. I hope there is not problem at all with that. My aunt is coming from US to visit us. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:38, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I said 23 Dec because it's Monday :D Take a look at Te Tamari No Atua by Paul Gauguin within the opening section of the newsletter draft :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:57, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I already saw it. It is a nice painting. Is that for Xmas? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:00, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

It's the nativity. See the new born in the arms of his Polynesian mother. That's the painting my page automatically show for XMas. You know, it is just an example and there are many other famous paintings about the nativity. Are there more songs by U2 about XMas, other than the 1984 and 1994 Band Aid? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 00:50, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Have you heard "It's Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". I love it. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I am searching in my external HDD for pages I have downloaded to look for links to interesting youtube videos of U2, my aunt will download them and will copy them in a flash memory to bring them to me. So far I ahve only found 4 links. I am trying to find a link to a performance of theirs at some MTV where they sang Please. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

• U2 Please 1997 MTV Video Music Awards
• U2 Please VMA Rehearsal Take 2
• Miss Bono, also ask your aunt to try this link/search, which produces about 7k results (with HD videos above 20 minutes long) and to remove the HD filter from the previous URL to get about 46k results/videos >=20'. Bestest!

Do you mean http://www.youtube.com/results/videos >=20' this way? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

No. I mean http://www.youtube.com/results?filters=hd%2C+long&search_query=u2 where the filters are "hd,long" (hd=high definition; long=20+ minutes) and the search_query is "u2".–pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Ok doke. Thanks. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Waooo! Thanks for the links. I will tell my aunt to try that one :D You rock! Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome! :D I've added a couple of external links to Ordinary Love (U2 song). They are 3 articles from Rolling Stone, Spin, and Toronto Sun about the song. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I saw them. Thanks so much!- Haven't read the articles though :'(. I didn't know about Blow Your House Down. Is there any link to download it. Maybe I can ask my aunt to buy it. Oh, looking for the price of Zoo TV Live form Sydney. I don't know what to ask for to my aunt. Zoo TV form Sydney or The super duper deluxe edition of my favourite album. What do you think? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Surely there is a link :D An HQ video (and audio) for "Blow Your House Down" on U2be is: U2 - Blow Your House Down . I don't know Achtung Baby very well and its deluxe edition even less, but if it is your favourite album...! Well, it's a long stroy to tell... I was writing a novel about the end of the world and the plot was completed, when one of my favourite film directors (especially for his poetical Der Himmel über Berlin (The Heaven/Sky Over Berlin, also known as Wings of Desire) released Until the End of the World in 1991. I then stopped to write the book, but also to watch Wim Wenders and —in part— to listen to U2) P.S.: Der Himmel über Berlin was written by Wim Wenders together with Avant-Garde novelist and playwright Peter Handke. And here is a short passage from the intro of the film:

“When the child was a child, it didn’t know that it was a child, everything was soulful, and all souls were one.” — Peter Handke, "Song of Childhood", Der Himmel über Berlin (1987).

–pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I haven't seen "The Heaven Over Berlin" yet, but I have read the article and I enjoy/love very much "Stay (Faraway, So Close!)" and its video. I like that line. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did_you_know_nominations/U2_by_U2 It was promoted. Now what? hehehe Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Gr8, 9, 10, … ∞! :D I'll update WP:U2 and the newsletter. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hehehheeh. Oke Doke! Where the DKY is going to appear? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Dunno! I've to check it out. If I remember correctly, there are a section within WP:U2 and the WikiProject report section in the newsletter.
Plz, thank Fuhghettaboutit for his/her??? help. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I haven't forget Fuhg? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 14:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Did you? (What? I don't understand.) → Did you thank Fugh?

Yes, I did :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Last Friday, I deliberately read a couple of your conversations.... :D (In my talk page? Did you find something interesting?)

No, not (or not only) on your page :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you mean at the RefDesk Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the RefDesk, but also on Ultra Violet's talkpage plus another. I'm always in a hurry, which means that I'm as busy as an ant or bee worker. :D I was searching for you by checking out your contributions history. That's all. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Ohhh, you saw my conversations with Ult. Interesting he is my U2 brother. How embarrasing, you saw my contributions... 10% main space and 90% talk :O Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you know that we have about that same scheme at Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Assessment? :D (What do you mean by scheme?)

This one! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know that one, but what who has our same assessment scheme? (I am really stupid, I know!) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

The scheme must be the same. Can you image an article that is a featured article for a project and a stub for another? In reality, the highest grade/rating attainable by an article in a WikiProject is B-class. Higher ratings have their own procedured, you know, GA and FA, but the background thing does not change. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I get it. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you want my (very-very ultra humble) opinion about the JFK episode :D? (John F. Kennedy?? What episode? Which TV show? )

Yes, the airpot in New York City, and no, it is not a TV episode so far ... lol ... but a non-fictional book about a rock band :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh that JFK, yes, I want to hear your opinion!! :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

(^_______^) Okay, here we go...

Many super great authors (poets and writers) wrote about places that they didn't know. Think to the Odyssey and the Iliad both attributed to Homer, the Bible by various authors lol, the Aeneid by Publius Vergilius Maro, the Divine Comedy by Dante, many of Shakespeare's plays (comedies and tragedies, but also other works) are set in different places from Britain (The Merchant of Venice, Pericles, Prince of Tyre, The Two Gentlemen of Verona, Romeo and Juliet, Coriolanus, Titus Andronicus, Timon of Athens, Julius Caesar, Hamlet, Troilus and Cressida, Othello, Antony and Cleopatra, Othello, just to name a few :D). Yes, Jules Verne and his Voyages Extraordinaires series, but also Italian writers Emilio Salgari, who described Malaysia in his two series the Sandokan and The Tigers of Malaysia and the The Black Corsair without moving from Turin (Italy), and Edmondo De Amicis, also from Turin, in his tale From the Apennines to the Andes. This is what comes to my mind now, but I'm sure that there are many other good examples. And, this also means that you can write about every existing and non-existing places, as you like it. So the question is: how they wrote about places that they didn't know (except for fictional places, of course)? I think that they went to ask other people (most pobably sailors/seamen) abuot those places, and read everything there was about them. So you can start from Wikipedia (the best starting point ever created), and the internet, books, mass-media, films, and etcetera to acquire the necessary knowledge about the facts and places you're telling. Another chance is to move your story into the future, so maybe in a hundred years you will appear as a Sibyl, a seer/clairvoyant, a soothsayer, or a prophet, but plz not as a doomsayer. :D In summary: 1. read and collect info about it; 2. move your story into the future; but there was a third point that I can't recollect. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Into the future? People in the band in my story will be 90 years old. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

U2 have "It's Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

What a stupid question (I did) lol I've some 600 XMas carols and that song is featured there. Poor me /o\ lol. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you want to change the image for XMas? I searched Wikipedia for a slide show but I have not found anything yet. IMHO, all those from Nativity of Jesus and Nativity scene are very good, but there are many-many others. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I am working on a special image for my userpage for xmas (as I did for Halloween), this time it will feature a Bono with a Santa Hat :P. BTW I love that song... I almost cry everytime I hear the that this tears part-. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, I've missed your halloween card /o\. And, I forgot to say that "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" is a cover of a song written by Jeff Barry, Ellie Greenwich, and the great Phil Spector of the "Wall of Sound", and it was originally sung by Darlene Love in the 1960s. :D
For the WP:U2 newsletter I prefer something more "classical" like Italian or Dutch painters from the Middle Age to Neoclassicism, but also greeting cards from (circa) the 1800s onwards. Do you have access to wikicommons? If yes, then here is a good strating point. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't have access to commons but Theroadislong gave me a link and I can find picts of Commons through WP. Il like this one. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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It was my duty and pleasure of being able to help you, Matty.007. Thanks for the barnstar, which I really appreciated. It was so much for so little. Thank you! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 00:17, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you very much. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

From the editors and the other headers

I am thinking about changing that font. Doesn't fit much with the entire nl. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:14, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

With the newletter new layout, design, and graphics they seem to be unnecessary. I want to try to move the subsections images on the right column and see the result. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Teach me SVG 2013-11-23

Hey Pjoef, remember me? I recently uploaded an SVG - File:T-series-logo.svg but its not perfect I mean its not scalable. I traced it using Inkspace bitmap tracer and saved a plain svg. Sohambanerjee1998 10:44, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sohambanerjee1998, hope you are well. I think you could remove the JPEG image from the SVG, but I also think that for its use on T-Series' article and being a copyrighted logo it goes well as it is. Well done anyway! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:46, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh you could call me Soham, BTW if it was'n't a logo how would I convert it in inkspace? I have two problems -

1. While opening a image it gives me two options which one should I use?

• Embed (results in larger SVF Files)
• Link (Link references a file outside this SVG document and all files must me moved together).

1. How should I save the file?

• As an Inkscape SVG?
• As an Plain SVG?
• Compressed versions of the above two (.svgz)?

Now these are two of my specific queries. Sohambanerjee1998 09:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Soham, all of the above, in general, work fine. Inkscape and Plain SVG are about the same format. The Inkscape SVG introuces a few extra commands, so if you are not using them then it is not necessary to save a file as Inkscape SVG (for the supplementary commands and the differences between these two formats see this page at the Inkscape Wiki). When I use Inkscape, I usually save in the default format (Inkscape) as long as I'm working on a file/draft, and as Plain SVG when I've completed the work. SVGZ files are compressed SVG, and I don't know if this format is supported on Wikipedia. About the use of SVG files on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, I suggest you to read: Wikipedia:SVG help and commons:Help:SVG. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:31, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks. . Sohambanerjee1998 10:32, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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	Most Excellent Wikification Award
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Is it the end already? It felt like we were just getting started! (talk) 01:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2014

Hey Pjoef, I just havent had the time or the conection speed to write, just havings a few minutes now. I just wanted to wish you a happy U2014 :P and say thank you for everything you are doing with the U2 Portal and all. Gotta go 4 now. Again, thanku very much! Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 00:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Hope to see you around here in 2014. Happy New Year 2U2! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Just joining U2 WikiProject - Any suggestions on where to begin?

Hi there! I am currently taking a WikiPedia based college class, and we were assigned to join a substantial WikiProject. I love U2, and thought this would be a fun one to work on. Any suggestions on where to start contributing? I've already done a bit of supplementing to early song articles. C meindl (talk) 16:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

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If you have any question send me a message. Thank you! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Collaboration of Punks

HEY HO, LET'S GO!!! Punk rockers—As you know, the Ramones are undeniably the first punk rock band, so it is vital to this genre that we collaborate to improve their scope! So far, I have worked on the band's first three albums, and it would be awesome if all the punks on Wiki would aid in expanding/cleaning the Ramones articles. You can see my progress here. Please fellow fans, do this for the old-school punk. CrowzRSA 17:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this very soon. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Just spreading the word.

I got the wikification drive for the month started, the other day. Would have had it up sooner if I'd realized it hadn't been started, but at least it's up now. :) Okay folks, say it with me: 1 for the money, 2 for the - the - okay, just let me read the script again first... (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

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Greetings fellow disambiguator! Remember back in February when we made history by clearing the board for the first time ever, for the monthly disambiguation contest? Let's do it again in May! I personally will be aiming to lead the board next month, but for anyone who thinks they can put in a better effort, I will give a $10 Amazon gift card to any editor who scores more disambiguation points in May. Also, I will be setting up a one-day contest later in the month, and will try to set up more prizes and other ways to make this a fun and productive month. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Motto of the Day Help Request April 2014

Today's motto...

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		Thankyou for your great work saving the article "Overpowered by Funk" from deletion! benzband (talk) 10:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, but...

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		I think you deserve this award too. After all, you improved "Overpowered by Funk" before I expanded this article with you. ;) Synthwave.94 (talk) 11:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Synthwave.94, thank you once again! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:44, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Cheers! Spring in Wikipedia is lovely! Just avoid the articles on flowers... (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Thanks a lot for your work in wikifying articles. Have some bubble tea. Skr15081997 (talk) 03:14, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

 Thank you very much! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hi (2014-06)

I hope you are doing fine. I miss WP and WP:U2 and our talks! I hope being back soon. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

@Miss Bono: Hola señorita L., it is so lovely to hear from you and thank you for thinking of me. I am very well, and I hope you are fine too. I look forward to hearing from you soon. All the very best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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June 2014 wikification awards

		The WikiProject Wikify Trophy
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Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:06, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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U2 Newsletter (Issue X)

I would be glad to work in a newsletter for December, and gather all info about U2´s new album and next tour. I wont be around wikipedia much, but I might help from time to time. Greetings... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi L., I hope all is fine with you.
The draft of the U2 Newsletter is at the same point where we have left it, which coincides with the time when you left WikiPeida in Novenber-December 2013. There are 11 subscribers (including me and you) for the delivering. Sorry, but I think that at this moment it will be just too much effort for too little. You know they wrote "With or Without You" in 1987 for The Joshua Tree album, but I'm really thinking it was written for you (sung by Wikipedia:WikiProject U2; "it can't live without you" :D). If you have any further suggestions about this, please let me know as soon as possible.
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Hi P, I will think about something that doesnt require so much effort but worth the little effort we put into it. I am excited about the new album. It is really amazing.

P.S. Haha, I wish they had written that song for me.

I´m doing good. Thanks for asking

All the best to you too :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, thank you! Also, take a look at the draft and tell me what you think. It would be great to interview the main authors/editors of the article and ask (a few questions) about its development. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:47, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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October 2014 wikification awards

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		For scoring 2nd place on the leaderboard during the October 2014 Wikification Drive, pjoef, you are hereby awarded the Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar! Congratulations!!! –If I had to guess... (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

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		For wikifying a total of 31 articles, you are also awarded the Bronze Wikification Barnstar. Keep up the good work!!! –If I had to guess... (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Cheers!!! If I had to guess... (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

December Wikification drive.

Greetings! Just letting you know the December wikification drive has been started. Better late than never. Cheers! :) Heading for the 20's, living in the Wild Wild Wikipedia! (talk) 18:45, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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