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Your signature

Hello. In my opinion your customized signature violates the policy WP:SIGAPP. A signature should not stand out so much that it draws the eye away from the text. Signatures are primarily to identify you and provide a user page link, not to show off one's creativity. I hope you will tone down your signature, and I would suggest dropping the non-white background although this is not required. Thanks! ―Mandruss ☎ 15:11, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I am new to HTML and this is all i managed to make. I did this because I noticed that they said that it should represent my name. So, a crappy Pokéball should do. Does it not..? Give me more feedback. I'd love it. I am new to HTML and only learned in the like past 5 hours or so. Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! 15:16, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

In addition, it follows all the rules and doesn’t seem to flashy to me. Just a red-and-white rectangle, should be all right. No too seemingly bright colours or so. Also, I need help on how to make a semi-circle for this so it looks more like a Pokéball.Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! 15:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I did this because I noticed that they said that it should represent my name. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Your actual name has nothing to do with it. If you mean username, the standard default signature shows your username so it wasn't necessary to do any customization to accomplish that. My recommendation is to avoid both border and background, like mine. Then you can play with fonts and colors. For colors see MOS:ONWHITE. Don't make the font so small that it's hard to read, and I suggest making it the same size as normal text. The important things are (1) provide a link to your user page and probably your user talk page, (2) be legible even to those with vision problems, and (3) don't be distracting to the eye.
it follows all the rules Well the rules are extremely vague and leave a lot to opinion and interpretation. For example, the nutshell at SIGAPP says, "Make sure that your signature is easily readable and does not cause disruption to other editors." It doesn't say what is easily readable (to whom? easily readable to you doesn't mean easily readable to everybody) or what causes disruption to other editors. If you are not convinced, I can't force you to see things my way, and many other users have signatures that are over the line in my opinion.
I'm old and I have no clue what a Pokéball is. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

It's a Pokémon thing. And, uh, WP:UACS. I'll try and make the font bigger, but I already tried and the next size of 14 seems too big for me. Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! 15:46, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

You might make it less disruptive by removing the border  pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 18:06, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the border is not just distracting, it obscures text on the lines above and below: this is not acceptable. The red background, besides being distracting, is a violation of WP:CONTRAST. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:15, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

OK, I’ve given it a darker red and a reduced border. How can I improve on the red? Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

By visiting this page and moving the sliders in the middle box until the right-hand box shows "YES" against "WCAG 2 AA Compliant", ideally against "WCAG 2 AAA Compliant" as well. Then read off the six-character hex value at the top of the middle box, and use that instead of the DB1515 that you are currently using. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:56, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Even with improved contrast, the text at that size would not be "easily readable" to me. That's the problem with borders, or one of the problems. If you make the text large enough to read, the whole thing including borders is too large. Please consider expressing your interest in Pokémon on your user page, rather than at the end of each and every comment you post in a Wikipedia talk space. ―Mandruss ☎ 08:31, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

But that’s what a signature is for! Just like RedRose64 has a rose, I have a Pokéball! I’ll add it on my userpage then if Oshawott isn’t obvious enough. As for RedRose64, I’ll be finding the colour codes. Thank you for your information.Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Many editors would disagree that a signature is "for" personal expression of any kind. Rather, it's for identifying the user and providing a link to their user page. There is a large segment of the editing community who think English Wikipedia should get rid of the ability to customize signatures, and the reason for that is that too many editors abuse the almost complete freedom afforded them by the uselessly vague signature "policy". I'm becoming one of them despite having a custom signature myself.
Just like RedRose64 has a rose, I have a Pokéball! That's a poor comparison. Redrose64's signature lacks most of the issues of your signature, specifically legibility problems (text too small) and visual distraction (signature too "bold"). (If you can't see that your signature stands out far more than any of the others in this thread—even after shrinking—you're blind.) If you could express Pokémon interest without those issues, I would have no objection. ―Mandruss ☎ 10:31, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Here. I'll try taking the border out later and use a red highlight colour. Will you review it? Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! 11:58, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I'll keep offering my opinions until you ask me to stop or I get tired. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:10, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I admire you for your will to help me. However, it has been increasingly difficult to find a colour that complies. I've found this colour, #FF4000, that looks more like red but still looks better than others. If you can suggest a better one, I'd gladly use it. Thank you Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! 02:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

The red at File:Pokeball.png is #FF0000. Black (#000) on #FF0000 gives contrast 5.252 which is above the minimum. That gives Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me!. To make a color: attribute work for link text, the span has to be within the piped part of the link code. I also removed the underscores since they are not actually part of your username, and I used {{nowrap}} to prevent a line break within the signature. This is as much help as I'm prepared to offer for a signature that I feel violates the policy. Good luck. ―Mandruss ☎ 04:36, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Mandruss. I will use what you suggested then. Many thanks for your help on this. This issue is resolved then? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 05:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Define "resolved". All this discussion has gotten us from this: Oshawott_12 ==()== Talk to me! to this: Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me!. We addressed a contrast issue but the distraction issue remains. I expect you will get occasional comments from editors who are aware of the policy, have some feel for human factors as it relates to online written communication, and care enough to come here and complain. But I'm done, so it's "resolved" for me. ―Mandruss ☎ 05:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey, we've all done good. Let's leave this alone then. Anyone still dissatisfied can continue with this conversation. I'll leave this alone then, thanks. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 05:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

My mistake, I miscoded the background as #FF4000, forgetting to change what you had previously. I couldn't understand why it looked so orange on my computer. I meant to match the red at File:Pokeball.png, which is #FF0000, giving: Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me!. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:50, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh noes. I'll fix it. I thought the orange would be better and look good. Thanks for the suggestions though. Thank you very much.

Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Your signature, again.

You need to either remove or change your custom signature to be in compliance with WP:ACCESS. I'm only mildly vision impared and I cannot parse it. Someone with color blindness or a more severe acuity imparment than I could never read it. Having a custom signature is not required. Compliance with ACCESS is. John from Idegon (talk) 15:10, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps add this to the “Your signature” part? You should do that before I continue arguing. @Mandruss I need help.... again. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 15:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I made it a subsection of the "Your signature" part. That should be adequate with a minimum of change.
@John from Idegon: The signature is in compliance with ACCESS (see MOS:COLOR). WCAG AA specifies minimum contrast of 4.5:1, and Oshawott's black-on-red tests at 5.252:1. I think you're unlikely to win that one. FTR, my objection has been to the visual distraction of such a bold signature, and I've accepted a loss there lacking a lot of support. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I can read it on a computer monitor. I cannot on a phone or tablet. And I'm sorry, but if even one editor is complaining about something you do not have to have, that should be enough for you to change it. The purpose of your username signature is so people can clearly identify you and use the links to your pages. It is not a "Means of self expression", something that is entirely overvalued in today's world. If anybody is having a problem using your signature for its intended purposes, you should change it. The sun is at the center of the galaxy, not you. I never have understood why we allow this anyway. It's something that serves no purpose in improving the encyclopedia at all, and there are not just a few conflicts over it. John from Idegon (talk) 16:08, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: I'm with you on much of that, but we are in a small minority. Witness the open RfC proposing a bright-line rule against "highlighting" (non-white background) in signatures, which is headed for a fail largely because a majority of the vocal subset of the community feels differently than we do about self-expression (and/or have no instinct for human factors). We see the very same priorities applied to things like userboxes, giving little relative weight to considerations competing with self-expression. even one editor is complaining about something you do not have to have, that should be enough for you to change it. I have seen no community support for such a sentiment, and I'm damn well not going to change my signature because one lone editor says that they have trouble reading it. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:23, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Note, the sun is at the center of the Solar System, not the galaxy. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

In the meantime, WP:BILLBOARD. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Once again, JFI, is being to down to earth....Doah! John from Idegon (talk) 17:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hmm. I wonder whether we could give you something that looks more like a Pokéball? Maybe something like this? <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">[[User:Oshawott 12|Oshawott 12]] <span style="border:2px solid;border-radius:12px><span style="background:#ff0000"> =</span><span style="background:#ffffff;">○=</span></span> [[User talk:Oshawott 12|Talk to me!]]</span>

which should look like this:

Oshawott 12 =○= Talk to me!

My goal was to get a mostly normal signature with a round-ish Pokéball-like item in the middle. But it wasn't displaying correctly, perhaps due to an unnoticed missing /span tag somewhere above on the page. (Ping me if you need something; I'm not watching this page.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: Signatures should not contain newlines. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, I appreciate your help, but that is not possible as newlines are not possible and I would like the red and white to intersect right in the middle ;) Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 22:25, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Redrose64, where is the newline?

Oshawott, I put the circle on the white side, because the small circle seemed to be white in the images I found. You could use other characters instead. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:09, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Right in the middle of the

<span style="background:#ff0000">
=</span>

element. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Your signature (3)

Would you be willing to dial it down some? --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:06, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I came here to make the same request. Your signature is aggressive (at best). There are many ways you can set yourself apart without burning out your fellow collaborator's retinas. Please?-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Just in case either of you missed it, this page is full of discussion about this sig. The user corrected a contrast problem, which is the only somewhat bright line that exists in the policy, and decided they were done. It remains to be seen how many editors must complain before there is a significant change made. A recent attempt to disallow all non-white backgrounds failed.[1] ―Mandruss ☎ 18:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, I (for one) still can't read it. Where is it stated that the contrast problem was corrected? I see a number of experiments for various shades, but the signature used on the thread immediately above has bad contrast. The background colour used is #FF0000 which for the normal (Vector skin) unvisited link colour (which is #0645AD), this gives a contrast ratio of 2.132 which is a long way from being WCAG 2 AA Compliant, and for the normal visited link colour (#0B0080), this gives a contrast ratio of 3.96 which is also not WCAG 2 AA Compliant: although it's better, this is still below the 4.5 minimum. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64: In all of the sigs in the thread above they are overriding the default link color to #000. 000:FF0000 = 5.252:1.[2] That you (for one) still can't read it is not insignificant, but it's not addressed by the somewhat bright line of the policy. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't asking because I thought it a violated bright line policy. I was asking because it is kind of obnoxious to other editors in the discussion, and I assumed that once Oshawott realized this, they would want to change to something that annoys his peers less. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I understand. As I indicated, the objections to date had not been enough, and whether the two new ones will tip the scales for Oshawatt (who really wants to express his Pokemon interest in his signature) remains to be seen. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

So how about you guys all pitch in on finding me a new red colour? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 22:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I personally would like to see you forgo both the non-white background and the border. Then you could choose one or two text colors from MOS:ONWHITE to make it less boring. Then express your Pokemon interest on your user page. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not asking you to alter the particular red color. I'm asking you to get rid of the box, get rid of the dark background color, and just select a less glaring signature. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Got an idea. How about I make the text on the red background white? Would that work? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

That wouldn't really solve my issue; it would still be really glaring. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:35, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Concur. Never mind that it would be below minimum recommended contrast.[3] ―Mandruss ☎ 23:36, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Considering the purely contrast aspect here, darkening the background by 17 notches to #EE0000 would give a contrast ratio of 4.53 which is now WCAG 2 AA Compliant. It's slightly less in-your-face too. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:53, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I knew I'd regret adding the "never mind that". Now Oshawatt is going to do as you said and call it done. We've been here before. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

You read my mind! Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

It looks like this now: Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! ...which looks slightly worse. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 00:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

The white is much more readable. But you should also consider confining the red to a short length.   ==()==   --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Should I use that then? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 14:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Your signature (4)

I know that this has been discussed extensively above, but I just want to say that I too consider your signature to be distracting and glaring. I perceive it as domineering even if that was not your intention. I respectfully request that you change it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:14, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Maybe I could use @Redrose64’s red tint? I’ve thought about it, but wanted to listen to all of you guys’ input. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:27, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I would suggest something like this: ―Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! - (Normal weight. "Talk to me!" will be bolded only on this page.)
or: ―Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! (Bolded.)
Other recommended colors at MOS:ONWHITE. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:41, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Conclusion

Here, it looks like this now, Cullen328, Mandruss, Floquenbeam, Redrose64, John from Idegon, Rhododentrites, WhatamIdoing, pythoncoder and Ponyo. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 08:59, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I know. See preceding subsection for my opinion.
I doubt any of the notifications here were sent, since you didn't do it right. You have to code the notification and the signature in the same edit. I didn't receive a notification and I'm here only because this page is on my watchlist and I was curious. See mw:Help:Echo § Technical details. ―Mandruss ☎ 11:54, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

There, I deleted and added it back. Should work now, thanks. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Still no notification received. Try a brand new comment. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:45, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I didn't get one either. There are two possibilities for what went wrong in this edit: (i) it didn't like the level 3 heading; (ii) it didn't like the presence of somebody else's signature; (iii) it didn't like the timestamp, which is more than fourteen hours earlier than the time that the edit was made. As regards the earlier attempts:

• This one failed because it wasn't signed
• This failed because it's just a signature, no new links to other user pages were added
• This failed because it was not a new post
• This also failed because it was not a new post; and it's also a nonexistent user
• This one failed because it's an amendment to an existing link

By contrast, this one probably worked, because you satisfied all of the criteria.

One thing you could do is to go to Preferences → Notifications and enable "Successful mentions", but this won't pick up past actions, it'll only work going forward, when it might send you notifications like "Your mention of Redrose64 was sent." You could also enable "Failed mentions" but that doesn't do what you might think - it won't have told you that the above attempts didn't work, it's mainly for when you try to notify a nonexistent user - such as Whatamidoing. In such cases you are sent a notification like "Your mention of Whatamidoing was not sent because the user was not found." --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Yep, enables notifications for that. Anyways, happy with my signature? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 06:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Your signature (5)

Hi! Would it be possible for you to make the ==( part of the link to your userpage? It may seem pointless, but that way people can use a CSS rule to alter the appearance of your signature, which should decrease future complaints. If you want to make this change, change your signature to <span class="nowrap" style="border:2px solid; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">[[User:Oshawott 12|<span style="background:#EE0000;color:#000;">Oshawott 12 ==(</span>]])== [[User talk:Oshawott 12|Talk to me!]]</span>. (I'd ask you to change the red color instead, but based on the above discussion it doesn't seem like a productive idea.) Thank you! Enterprisey (talk!) 17:26, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

September 2018

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Island School, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please do not add information sourced only to the subject of the article. This is a tertiary document, and we have no interest on what the subject of one of our articles has to say about itself John from Idegon (talk) 01:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi there John from Idegon, I did add the sources, which were directly from the school website. They were properly cited according to my knowledge. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 02:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

If you do not understand the difference between a primary and a secondary source, you have no business editing here at all. John from Idegon (talk) 02:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, I have found a reliable source from the SMCP. (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/education-community/article/1923580/three-hour-commute-esf-schools-plan-temporarily) Hope this will work, and please stop discouraging people. We are all just trying to help Wikipedia. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 02:24, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Island School. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. John from Idegon (talk) 02:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

It did not need to be sourced because it already happened. This is true and everyone knows it. The top already states that it abandoned the old campus. Please let me continue on the article. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 02:59, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, I will revert the edits. If you have any objections, talk here. I am considering taking this to WP:DRN if we cannot sort this out here. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Island School. John from Idegon (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

No I will not be talking to you here about your unsourced additions except to leave you warnings. If you feel that somehow it is OK to violate one of our pillar policies to add stuff to the article, you can discuss that at the article talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 03:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

My edits are constructive and meaningful. They are also correct and sourced, which I told you already and you ignored. Please refrain from reverting my edits. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Anyways, I will add the correct information with the correct cite, (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/education-community/article/1923580/three-hour-commute-esf-schools-plan-temporarily) for the move of the school to the new campuses. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:56, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm done. See the talk page of the article. You fix it. I tried my best. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 04:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

I've turned off the batsignal from the {{help me}}. The place to discuss the content dispute is on the talk page of the related article. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

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I am a regular user and have not done any vandalism. I believe my IP was used as I am in a school, but I do not know who it is nor the cause. Thanks. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 00:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

In addition, I also need help. Can I get SoWhy over? (SoWhy, you were pinged).

- Message to SoWhy that I tried to put on his talk page

Hi there SoWhy, this is Oshawott 12, the person you adopted a couple weeks ago. I have been IP blocked beacuse I was using a shared IP with a vandal. Is there any possible way to fix this faster? I was just editing an article when a popup told me this. I have placed the template, but is there anything I can do while waiting? I think the block was placed on my school's IP, so I was caught up in the block.

Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 00:37, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I was offline (sleeping) at that time. If you frequently encounter such problems, you can request IP block exemption. Regards SoWhy 13:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 04:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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I suggest you take a look at the edits to the article "Demons of the Punjab" where you will see that I added correct, sourced, cited data. AlexTheWhovian undid that edit and inserted an incorrect, unsourced, uncited figure. They have subsequently stated that they simply made a 'typo'. When you undo edits, that's not a typo. That's an active decision. I reinstated my accurate edit. Sebastian James, who also exclusively edits the same pages as AlexTheWhovian, then undid it again. Between them, they have continually undone the edits I have made, despite the fact that my edits were accurate and accurately sourced, unlike the edits made by AlexTheWhovian who inserted incorrect, unsupported data. AlexTheWhovian then started making threats on my talk page. Twice threatening me with being blocked. Despite starting and escalating an edit war, AlexTheWhovian accuses me of being the instigator. They then accused me of making an edit that they suggest I should have "made in the first place". I did make that edit in the first place. AlexTheWhovian and Sebastian James undid it. Three times each. The abuse is intolerable. I apprecaited AlexTheWhovian believes they are the guardian of all Dr Who knowledge, but the fact remains that they undid a correct edit simply to insert incorrect data and as such, begun an edit war to demonstrate their superiority. AlexTheWhovian accuses me of incorrect editing and only being part of wikipedia to make trouble. I'm sure if you look at my correct and correctly supported edits compared to the "typos" made by AlexTheWhovian, you will wish to take action.27.131.36.174 (talk 03:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Put that on the Ani page, not here. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

You wrote "Talk to me" and provided a link. I clicked that link. 27.131.36.174 (talk) 03:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

What's the point. The bullying at wikipedia by trolls is intolerable. They always win. Every time. Goodbye27.131.36.174 (talk) 03:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Wow. I never even said anything, and here you are saying bye. I just suggested you to put it there because I thought you could explain it there to other people, not just me, to solve this problem. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Message

You, HOW ARE YOU TO UNDO TO ME?!? AND HOW DARE YOU WHEN CARTOON NETWORK DELETED THE ADVENTURE TIME AFTER TEN SEASONS?!?! CARTOON NETWORK, BRING ME THE 11TH SEASON OF ADVENTURE TIME, MOTHERF****ER!!! NOW THIS THE FIFTH TIME WHEN YOU ADD THE CLIFFHANGER SCENE IN THE SERIES FINALE LIKE ALF'S SEASON FINALE BEFORE THE PROJECT ALF IS A SEQUEL OF THE SERIES FINALE!!!!! CARTOON NETWORK WANTS TO RENEWS THIS F*****NG SEASON WITH THE NUMBER 11 FOR ADVENTURE TIME AND NUMBER 9 FOR THE REGULAR SHOW?!?!?! ALL THE WORLD HATES THE SERIES FINALE AND CRITICES TOO POOR AND NOW RENEWS IT, TO CARTOON NETWORK and YOU, THANK YOU. --190.247.109.14 (talk) 01:13, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

What the hell? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Floquenbeam Thanks for the block. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Joke edit

Hi. What makes you think this is a joke edit? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pibgorn_(webcomic)&diff=870373751&oldid=870373723 It's moving some dates and stating the tone of the comic, repeating what is said later in the article. --86.185.142.119 (talk) 11:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood. My criteria of vandalism, which was kinda wrong, inclues sexual content, removed content, and large word chunk counts. Very sorry, my fault though. Thanks for pointing it out. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 12:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

No, I didn't remove any content. But thanks for acknowledging, I have restored the edit. --86.185.142.119 (talk) 14:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I believe this sentence("d its run on Comics.com on April 18, 2007, and resumed with GoComics.com on May 14, 2007.") was taken out from the edit. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 14:44, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

No, it was moved to the "Format" section. Nothing was removed from the article. --86.185.142.119 (talk) 15:54, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Good. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 00:33, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Message

Cubeguide: Hi, I would like to work on the Hypixel Wiki. Tell me if you want to help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubeguide (talk • contribs) 02:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

That's fine. First, let me teach you how to sign comments. You sign with four tides like this: ~~~~ . By the way, we need sources if you want to make an article. You should start by finding some. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 02:59, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@Cubeguide I started the article. Let's do it! Here's a link: Hypixel (Minecraft) Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 03:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

The Hypixel site is Hypixel.net

Did you see what I wrote? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 04:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Where is the Talk to me page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubeguide (talk • contribs) 04:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Here. You are looking at it. By the way, user page comments are for contacting other people, not casual chat. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 04:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hypixel (Minecraft) (November 26)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by I dream of horses were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Hypixel (Minecraft) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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 I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 04:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Oshawott 12! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there!  I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 04:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Added more sources @I dream of horses. Would you like to review it again? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 06:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Boing's question

Before you try answering Boing!'s question, refer yourself to WP:NOPUNISH for the policy against punitive blocks (i.e. "he deserves" blocks). While you're at it, refer yourself to WP:AGF and WP:ASPERSIONS for "we don't know if he's honest about everything yet". I can't read Boing!'s mind, but I'm near certain that's what's on it (and not from a strictly policy perspective, but from a "being a good person" one as well). Mr rnddude (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your references. I replied. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Question on ANI

You met a reply question on ANI. Do you understand? Wakari07 (talk) 19:09, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I replied. Why would I not understand? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Sometimes I use difficult grammar, or make false assumptions. Wakari07 (talk) 14:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

It’s not difficult grammar, it’s bad wording. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh. Wakari07 (talk) 01:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Note on PRODs

Hello Oshawott 12. In noticed that you recently reverted an editor's contesting of a PROD tag at YVR Skylynx. For future reference, any and all editors (including the creator of the article(s) in question) are allowed to remove PROD tags. Best.--SamHolt6 (talk) 01:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder ;) Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Tsing Shan Hospital listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Tsing Shan Hospital. Since you had some involvement with the Tsing Shan Hospital redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. MB 00:05, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Message on Hypixel Wikipedia Page

Hey there, just want to let you know I added some stuff to the Hypixel Wikipedia Page. Tell me if I missed anything. —Cubeguide— Cubeguide (talk) 01:22, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Might be better if you could add relevant sources to the info you put. That's challenging, I know, but it's a must for an article. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 02:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Cubeguide, I'll ping. Sorry for not notifying you. The page is on Mainspace now. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 00:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018).

Administrator changes

Al Ameer son • Randykitty • Spartaz

Boson • Daniel J. Leivick • Efe • Esanchez7587 • Fred Bauder • Garzo • Martijn Hoekstra • Orangemike

Interface administrator changes

Deryck Chan

Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
• A request for comment is in progress to determine whether members of the Bot Approvals Group should satisfy activity requirements in order to remain in that role.
• A request for comment is in progress regarding whether to change the administrator inactivity policy, such that administrators "who have made no logged administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped". Currently, the policy states that administrators "who have made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped".
• A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.

Technical news

• Administrators and bureaucrats can no longer unblock themselves unless they placed the block initially. This change has been implemented globally. See also this ongoing village pump discussion (permalink).
• To complement the aforementioned change, blocked administrators will soon have the ability to block the administrator that placed their block to mitigate the possibility of a compromised administrator account blocking all other active administrators.
• Since deployment of Partial blocks on Test Wikipedia, several bugs were identified. Most of them are now fixed. Administrators are encouraged to test the new deployment and report new bugs on Phabricator or leave feedback on the Project's talk page. You can request administrator access on the Test Wiki here.

Arbitration

• Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 3 December 2018. Please review the candidates and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on the voting page.

Miscellaneous

• In late November, an attacker compromised multiple accounts, including at least four administrator accounts, and used them to vandalize Wikipedia. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. Sharing the same password across multiple websites makes your account vulnerable, especially if your password was used on a website that suffered a data breach. As these incidents have shown, these concerns are not pure fantasies.
• Wikipedia policy requires administrators to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.

Obituaries

• Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (Raymond Arritt) passed away on 14 November 2018. Boris joined Wikipedia as Raymond arritt on 8 May 2006 and was an administrator from 30 July 2007 to 2 June 2008.

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Disambiguation link notification for December 6

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Vexxed, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Irish, Streamer and Twitch (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver).

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仆街

This is English Wikipedia. Not everyone here knows what this means. Cheers ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 05:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

The exact reason why I used it: to tell you. Noticed that you were an HKer. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 05:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes I understand, but Materialscientist does not... Moreover, the IP's talk page is not the best place to post this (Special:Diff/872940300) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 05:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

• Please stop communicating with the IP. That's what WP:DENY discourages. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 05:10, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I'll stop reverting him. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 05:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Vexxed

Thanks for creating Vexxed.

A New Page Patroller JC7V7DC5768 just tagged the page as having some issues to fix, and wrote this note for you:

Good start, you have to fix the citation error for reference 2

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can reply over here and ping me. Or, for broader editing help, you can talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

JC7V (talk) 22:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks, JC7V7DC5768. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 05:39, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Hypixel for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hypixel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hypixel until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lafayette Baguette (talk) 05:13, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Nice try. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 05:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

Administrator changes

Galobtter

Orangemike

BorgQueen • Davidruben • Ocee • Revolving Bugbear • Theda • There'sNoTime • Timc • Tijuana Brass • Tristessa de St Ange

Bureaucrat changes

Addshore

CheckUser changes

Joe Roe • SilkTork

Euryalus • Newyorkbrad • There'sNoTime

Oversight changes

AGK • Joe Roe • SilkTork

Euryalus • Newyorkbrad • There'sNoTime

Guideline and policy news

• There are a number of new or changed speedy deletion criteria, each previously part of WP:CSD#G6:

1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

• The Wikimedia Foundation now requires all interface administrators to enable two-factor authentication.
• Members of the Bot Approvals Group (BAG) are now subject to an activity requirement. After two years without any bot-related activity (e.g. operating a bot, posting on a bot-related talk page), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice.

Technical news

• Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:

1. At least 8 characters in length
2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
3. Different from their username

User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on MediaWiki.org.

• Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
• {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.

Arbitration

• Following the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: AGK, Courcelles, GorillaWarfare, Joe Roe, Mkdw, SilkTork.

Miscellaneous

• Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
• Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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