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• first televised debate, held on 14 March, was broadcast live on [[Rai Uno]], and moderated by [Clemente Mimun, Director of ''[[TG1]]''. It featured questions from journalists Roberto Napoletano

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Do not re-add that inaccurate map of the Italian Empire again

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2013 polls

I not only can, but I'm also trying too. The problem is, there are so many polls for the 2008-2013 period that work on it advances rather slowly, and has been halted for several months now. I'll try to do it whenever I can, but I don't promise anything. Cheers! Impru20 (talk) 14:37, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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My dear friend, I must tell you that your judgement about picture qualitity is very poor. I am a professional photo editor since 40 years and you wanna tell me what is a good picture? I am very sorry!FraLiss (talk) 13:52, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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Your map of right-wing populist parties

File:Right-wing populist parties in European national parliaments 2013.png does not show Poland and Czech in light blue. However, Law and Justice is often categorised as a right-wing populist party and with Dawn of Direct Democracy there is a new right-wing populist party in the Czech Republic. And why are Macedonia, Serbia and Hungary dark blue? Which of the ruling parties in these countries are described as right-wing populist? Which are the right-wing populist party in Turkey and Romania? It would be great if you could provide an explanation in the summary field of the file to make it transparent to other users to comprehend why a certain country has this or that colour (and to continue and update the map if you should want to stop editing it some day...) Thank you! --RJFF (talk) 16:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Ultranationalist is not the same as right-wing populist. "Right-wing populism" is a specific, defined term in political science. We cannot just equal distinct terms that may be similar or overlapping, but not identic.

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Hello, the map still needs some work: You write that the ideologies are according to parties-and-elections.eu. However, on this site, Fidesz, VMRO-DPMNE, Bosnian SDS, Ataka, HDSSB, HSP, French FN, Golden Dawn, Jobbik, Latvian NA, Order and Justice, Law and Justice, Portuguese CDS-PP, Svoboda and Northern Irish DUP are not classified as right-wing populist. In these cases you have to either cite another source, or remove them from the map. Thank you, --RJFF (talk) 13:41, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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Logo of the Italian Socialist Party

This is the logo I did, a vectorized image, maybe not much better as you thought :( I have a problem with this file because I didn't put a correct license (like non-free logos), so please fix this as you can. If this logo result useless delete it for me. Regards --C records (talk) 11:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

@C records:The logo is great! You did a magnificent job. Thank you very much! -- Nick.mon (talk) 14:22, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Christian Democracy logo

@C records: Hi, sorry if I disturb you again, but I would ask to you to make another logo: the crossed shield of Christian Democracy party. Here there is an image. It will be great if you can make a logo also for the previous version of the crossed shield (here, and here in the background there is another image). Thank you very much! -- Nick.mon (talk) 13:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, no problem, I'll try to do it today :) --C records (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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   Done Former Christian Democracy Logo.
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   Done Former Christian Democracy Logo.
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   Done Last Christian Democracy Logo.

I hope this helps, is there a mistake? --C records (talk) 01:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

No they are wonderful! Thank you very much again! -- Nick.mon (talk) 14:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The logo of the Italian Socialist Party it was deleted from commons, so I uploaded again to English wikipedia as fair use content, this is because the logo have copyright and isn't a simply geometrical form, as you can see I put it again on the article (next time you'll do if you wants). Respect to the other 3 logos about Christian Democracy, probably one of them or all could be deleted in the future, if this happen please let me know. --C records (talk) 14:46, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, if it happens I will inform you. Thank you again. -- Nick.mon (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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Logo of NCD-UDC

@C records: Hello C records, sorry if I ask you again a favor, but it will be great if you could do the logo of NCD-UDC political alliance. Here there are some examples of the logo: repubblica.it and articolotre.com. The logo is composed by the logos of NCD and UDC parties, here there are their own logos, if you need them: NCD1, NCD2 and UDC. Thank you very much! -- Nick.mon (talk) 09:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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 Done: NCD-UDC Alliance Logo

Hi Nick, how are you? No problem, this is the logo and I put the same license than the others, so if there is a problem with this or is deleted; you let me know to fix it. CYA. --C records (talk) 09:27, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

@C records: Fine thanks, and you? The logo is wonderful! Ok if there will be problems about the license I will inform you. -- Nick.mon (talk) 09:35, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Too many edits in wikipedia can sometimes be a sign of fanatism, and this could a problem for an objective and scientific encyclopedia. However, every edit, even if ancient, must be sourced (WP:SOURCES). Saying that an edit is very old, is not relevant. Every dispute must be resolved upon Sources. You was not a vandal in the past, but if you continue without showing them, you could become a vandal for the future.

In this case, red for the HL is urcourced and illogical. HL was a liberal and bourgeois faction, without any relation with Socialism (more, it opposed Socialism). Red for the HL, is simply an error. --87.5.160.71 (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

"Post scriptum" - I accept your explainations about the color of the Historical Right instead. If that code is used for the British Conservatives, that are the same political group of the Italian Historical Right, it can be accepted.--87.5.160.71 (talk) 14:23, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Everyone can become a vandal, if he does not respect wikipedia guidelines: wiki does not grant diplomatic immunity to anyone. You have a relevant source in the History of the template page, but I can add you also "I percorsi della storia" by De Agostini.
And, by the way, dark or less, red means Socialism. I saw in your personal page you are a Socialist: you could know it.--87.5.160.71 (talk) 14:34, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, effectively the HL and the Republican party have a common origin. Mazzini and his Republicans were a part (the most leftist one) of the HL until the Rattazzi's "Connubio" in 1852. After that year, the Republicans (that were against every government made by the king) left the HL and joined The Extreme. But effectively, HL green and PRI green have the same origin. No problem for me to use the same color code, if you like.--87.5.160.71 (talk) 14:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, the problem is that the HL was a "false" Left. It was a "left" simply because in the oligarchic Italian political system of the 19th century, the "real" left was banned by the electorate and was excluded by the Parliament. To understand the problem, you can think in opposition to the DDR Volkskammer: it obviously had some MPs sitting in the right-wing of the chamber, but you could say they were members of a "Rightist party"?--87.5.160.71 (talk) 14:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

First thing to be understood: the Liberal Party (PLI) was a single party. When you are speaking about Giolitti's "Liberals", you are speaking about a coalition of parties. During the Kingdom, Italian elections (even at municipal and provincial level) were based upon majoritarian systems. When a country uses a proportional representation, as during Italian "First" Republic, parties are very important. When you use a majoritarian system (FPTP, two round system or block voting, it is not important), as during the Kingdom, or in present-day Italy or France, coalitions are more important than single parties. And PM Giolitti was supported by a coalition of Liberal parties, as PM Berlusconi was supported by a coalition of rightist parties, not by his single Forza Italia or PDL. What was the origin of Giolitti's coalition? Well, it was the merger of the Historical Left and the Historical Right, under a phenomenon that began as the so-called trasformismo. After the electoral reform of 1882, the HR had no more realistic chances to win an election (if you consider the HR a "right of the right" and the HL as a "left of the right", and the reform of 1882 as a "legalization of the centrist electorate", you can easily understand it), so many HR MPs began to join the HL simply because it was their sole possibility to rise to the government. When did the HL end? Well, there is not a date. I can say you that on January 1th, 1900, the merger between HL and HR was complete, and the Liberal coalition dominated the country because the "real" leftist electorate was still banned. The situation began to change after the electoral refor of 1913 that turned Italy into a real democracy. A real left-right mechanism allowed the "real" left to win many municipal elections in 1914 (Milan, Bologna), but the elections were stopped by WW1. When, after 1919, the possibility of a "real" leftist government became concrete at national level, we know what it happened... --87.5.160.71 (talk) 15:27, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Technically the PLI, which was founded in 1922 as an organized party, never had a PM. Thinking to the Liberal coalition, "1900" can be correct. The riots of 1897-98, which ended with the Bava-Beccaris massacre and the murder of King Humbert I, pushed the remaining reluctant HR MPs to join the HL government coalition.
By the way, I notice you an error in the list of the Italian PM you showed me. Rattazzi was a member of the HL, but his government were however supported only by the HR and some Independents. You can consider Rattazzi as a 19th century Pierferdinando Casini, a politician who was "border-line" and next to his opposite coalition. Rattazzi was supported by the HR (and not by the HL) simply because the incumbent HR's PM was heavily defeated by the electors, and the HR's MP wanted a period a minor governmental engagement to make the electors forget their errors. --87.5.160.71 (talk) 15:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I tried to create this account to begin to re-write all pages about monarchist Italy, as you ask me. Looking to those pages, I found a lot of errors.
Well, let's start. You asked me about the "Ministeriali" and the "Costituzionalisti". It's simple. I don't know if you know the concept of Constitutional Arch which was used during the "First" Italian Republic: the concept of "Costituzionalisti" was the same concept during the Kingdom. At time, the Italian "Constitution" was the Albertine Statute, which created a constitutional monarchy. The "Costituzionalisti" were all parties and politicians that supported, or at least accepted, the Statute, and consequently the constitutional monarchy as form of State. Both HL and HR were "Costituzionalisti". The "Ministeriali" were simply the MPs who supported the government (that, at time, was called "il Ministero", the Ministry, because differently from the Republic, during the Kingdom the Italian PM was one of the ministers). Consequently, the "Opposizione Costituzionale" (Constitutional Opposition) was the group of the "Costituzionalisti" who did not support the government. "Ministeriali"+"Opposizione Costituzionale"="Costituzionalisti", this was the sum. When the HR (blue) was ruling Italy, they were the "Ministeriali" and the HL (green) the "Opposizione Costituzionale", after 1876, it was the opposite. There were two political groups which were not "Costituzionalisti": on the left, "The Extreme" (red), which was composed by Radicals, Republicans and Socialists (an error to correct is speaking solely of the Radical Party, as it happens in the wiki electoral pages), and that wanted a republic and, as an obvious consequence, the abolition of the Statute (as it will happen in 1946); on the right, there were the "Clericals" who were the supporters of the Pope and claimed for the restauration of the Papal State and, consequently, the destruction of the young Italian State (an obviously its Statute: no more State, no more Statute). The Clericals were hugely limited by the non expedit, but were the "real" first Italian party: the turnout during the Kingdom was one of the lowest of all Europe, because Catholic-Clericals electors did not participate to the elections (and you can easily understand how the religion is important in Italy...). Even if officially the pope did not want that the Catholics would participate to the Italian political life, unofficially he likes a small group of Clericals (under the "Independents" flag) into Parliament for a simple reason: to spy the Italian State and its official documents. Ah, the color: the Clericals were black, as it happened and happens in German-speaking countries. Only when they were "legalized" by the Pope after WW1, and they became the People's Party, they changed their color into the white, the Pope's color, because they officially became supported by the Pope. Before, when they were simply "Clericals", they had not a leader, because officially they did not run to rule the country. --An helper of Nick (talk) 19:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of Democratic Party (Emilia-Romagna) for deletion

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