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Number theory

Hi MinorProphet - This looks very good! I'm afraid you'll have to wait for at least a week (or rather ten days or so) for further comments from me, since I am very busy with (real-life, number-theoretical) work... Garald (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Number theory

Sorry for having been out of action for so long. Your proposed edits look very good; please go ahead and carry them out. On Vardi´s comments on Archimedes - make cautious statements and reference them carefully (cite both Vardi and the works he cites); I am not sure of whether there is a consensus there. Garald (talk) 10:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

List of alloys

What does that make cementite? Plasmic Physics (talk) 00:49, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, an interesting one. Is cementite a compound or an alloy? Does light behave like waves or particles? Technically (and to avoid a direct answer) you could call cementite an iron-carbon alloy phase. In its purest form, it is classified as a ceramic. To recap and to remind myself:
Cementite is the crystalline form of iron carbide, a hard, brittle, stoichiometric, intermetallic, metastable iron-carbon phase (or crystal structure) found in steel alloys. It has the strict chemical formula Fe3C (e.tc.), unlike other iron-carbon phases which are non-stoichiometric and are formed within a range of proportions.
In eutectoid steel (Fe + 0.83 wt% C), ferrite (effectively pure iron) and cementite grow co-operatively as a lamellar mixture (or microstructure), pearlite.
In hypereutectoid steel (Fe + >0.77 wt% C) the structure is mostly pearlite with small grains of extra cementite scattered throughout.
White cast iron contains mostly monoclinic cementite with some silicon, making it very hard and brittle with limited ductility. Cementite is a metastable iron-carbon phase, and will decompose into stable graphite given the right conditions: namely, a higher silicon content and slower cooling of the molten mixture results in grey cast, containing graphite. Phase diagrams, etc. On a slight tangent, I came across this paper on Mechanical properties of cementite. > MinorProphet (talk) 19:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I did further research, and found that scandium hydride in this context is a substance held together by metallic bonding. Metallic bonding is found within alloys and metals. I've also found that "compound" and "alloy" are not mutually exclusive terms. Plasmic Physics (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The Miracle (1912 film)

Regarding your question at the Help Desk: as you've perhaps seen, the history merge that you requested is now complete. For future reference, you don't have to do this (it's fine to copy/paste something you wrote in userspace to create a new mainspace article), but of course there's also nothing wrong with moving pages or requesting history merges. Nyttend (talk) 13:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful message, I also thanked User:Anthony_Appleyard, who did the merge. I think it was just a case of me being in a hurry, not knowing exactly what to do, and not bothering to find out. > MinorProphet (talk) 08:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
The subject of this article seems to be (with a few significant differences) the same film dealt with in the article Das Mirakel (1912 film). I have started a content-merge discussion at Talk:The Miracle (1912 film). Cheers!--ShelfSkewed Talk 15:55, 18 December 2012 (UTC)  Done

20 Frith Street

Hi, MinorProphet. Wow, just... wow. That is awesome. --Shirt58 (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Had to be done. Thank you. > MinorProphet (talk) 01:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Inclines head, bows, swirls hat etc. > MinorProphet (talk) 19:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

November 2013

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I think Uncyclopaedia might have been a better location... Peridon (talk) 12:55, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

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F. Newman Turner

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Goodness! How complicated it is finding ones way round Wikipedia contributors' pages! I hope this message reaches you to thank you for your comprehensive response to my query regarding a new article about F.Newman Turner. As you surmise, it is my first attempt at a proper article (for WP) other than some minor editorial corrections.

As this is a biographical piece, relying on unpublished sources, such as minutes, letters, and diaries in the family archive, it may be difficult to give citations to every statement but I will follow through on your recommendations as far as I can. Also, I was leaving formatting to the final submission process but you have kindly done this in the edit. I shall add the WikiLinks where they are relevant. I will also need to add a photograph, which, presumably, is done following the 'upload images' protocol.

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Hi Roger, welcome to the weird and wonderful world of Wikipedia!
Please add new sections at the end of discussions or user talk pages - just click the "New Section" button on a talk page. To indent further posts when adding to an existing discussion, begin each new paragraph with one or more colons as the first character. Then please sign your name at the end of each post by typing four tildes like this: ~~~~ .
I should point out that diaries and letters are known as primary source material, which is not allowed in references on WP. See WP:VERIFY. Wikipedia requires reliable secondary sources such as printed books, jounals, etc., or the internet in some cases. Although some statements can be flagged like this [citation needed] or like this:2015-6-22[according to whom?] but these tend to detract from an article's overall reliability. I can appreciate the trouble you have taken to write the article, but if there are too many unreferenced statements they will tend to be ruthlessly excised in the early stages. Please add more references to any further reliable sources you can find; it's best to prune heavily, and to present an article for submission with as few un-reffed statements as possible. After the article is approved and makes it to Wikipedia mainspace there tends to be less scrutiny, and various details could be judiciously added without too much trouble, as it were.>MinorProphet (talk) 13:20, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
With suitable references, of course. >MinorProphet (talk) 05:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for your encouragement. I tidied it up a bit.   23 September 2015 MinorProphet (talk)
It's looking great! I've added a few cats and links; will do a bit more when I get home from work tonight. Thank you for this article! David Cannon (talk) 01:26, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Just to keep you in the loop: (1) I've moved the page to Alfred Karney Young, because that's what he's generally known as. That's left a broken redirect, which I haven't fixed, because I've gotten into trouble before for editing another editor's user page; (2) I think his father, W. A. G. Young is notable enough to have his own article, so I've spliced that one off. That one needs quite a bit more work, but that can/will come later. (3) Some of his other relatives mentioned in the family tree section might be notable enough for articles of their own, too, but I'm not sure. I'll Google their names tomorrow and see what comes up :-) David Cannon (talk) 12:40, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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Opera in Chicago

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As it is currently written, Opera in Chicago is not a valid disambiguation page. You could rename this page as List of Opera Houses in Chicago to keep the list of opera houses and companies, but it currently fails the guidelines of a disambiguation page at Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Alternatively, you could make a historical article about the history of opera in Chicago. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:10, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

  Done MinorProphet (talk) 11:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hi MP, I am no expert on Lanchester but two things do concern me: Grace's Guide is not always reliable and, I have corrected it, the idea that the Daimler-Knight engine was a waste of time. It was a commercial success for 25 years before Daimler acknowledged that advances made with other valve systems had outmoded it. Perhaps sounder citations might be found than Grace's. Eddaido (talk) 03:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Eddaido. Much of the info I used from the Grace's Guide articles is relatively well-referenced, I can substitute the original sources if you like, and I'll try to hunt down to better cites. The negative comments about the double sleeve-valve are actually Ricardo's, taken directly from the Royal Society obituary article. Perhaps they would be better off in double quotes. Ricardo was a proponent of the single sleeve-valve engine, which continued to power aircraft from the early 1930s until the jet era. MinorProphet (talk) 04:14, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps Ricardo is more famous than Lanchester but feelings do creep in to histories don't they. I'll have a look a the Grace's Guide citations in the same way. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 04:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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OK >MinorProphet (talk) 02:00, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for quality articles around film and music not only in minor, such as Ufa-Pavillon am Nollendorfplatz, Piano Concerto (Busoni) and List of compositions by César Franck, for explaining the joy of sfn, for gnomish help, for the links between "your" articles made visible, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Not "mine", but everyone's, for free. Keep the flame burning. MinorProphet (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
I am open to a better wording, put it in quotation marks to indicate it's not "your articles" ;) - I'd have a hard time to arrange "mine" in such a neat flow, because the filling of red links in one here, somewhere else the next day, doesn't lead to such logical order. Today, it was an opera. Tomorrow, it will be a vocalist, both related to former work, but not to each other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Beethoven's funeral

Now *that* looks like a worthwhile article (I do trust that you are not thinking of listing all the mourners?). FWIW, I just did a rummage through German Wiki, and found nothing except the tiny mentions at the end of his biography and in de:Währinger Schubertpark.

Congrats on getting that award from Gerda - you're now entitled to add {{Precious topicon}} to your Main Page.

Now, back to my C13 Galician troubadour (articles in six non-English Wikis, 19 WP:RS-looking citations and counting...). Narky Blert (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I am indeed honoured. "Not thinking of listing them all?" Well, yes actually, I am: I've got almost the entire crowd, the whole kit and caboodle save four, and some good descriptions of the actual funeral itself.
"Dad, who was the first person to fly?" my daughter asked many moons ago.[a] Since then I have been spasmodically collating an annotated list of every single person mentioned in the various contemporary accounts, and there are only four out of seventy-five principal people who I have completely failed to identify (all 'minor' Hofkapelle singers in the choir): plus two slightly unlikely (yet possible) trombonists; and a solo tenor who could be father or son, but probably the father.
29 already have articles on WP:en, 6 on WP:de, and 40 have no entry. Obviously some are very well-known and some are very unimportant (historically speaking), but everyone has least one WP:RS confirming their existence - if my identifications are correct. The really fun bit has been trying to identify 75 people from early 19th-century Vienna from just a surname in a list. Plus at some 15 other names with less immediate connection with Beethoven, making some 90 names in all.
It's been fascinating to find out the various connections between all these people, and to realise what a close, tight-knit society it was where everyone knew almost everyone else. Also how much other music was being written and played (apart from the classical greats) which you normally simply never get to hear. And a weird, particularly Viennese death cult.
Ah, plus the three Equales WoO 30 for four trombones played at the funeral, with their own history of the MS, original performance of two at the funeral, and publishing history not unlike D. 635. Apropos of which Rudolf Weis-Ostborn was the first publisher of the music, but with the new words. This why the 1900 Ries & Erler edition is not listed in Deutsch (if I have understood correctly): it wasn't done from the original manuscript, but from Schubert's own MS (crossed-out) arrangement which Rudolf W-O owned. The original autograph MS only appeared at auction in 1901, thus Mandyczewski's 1906-7 edition in Die Musik (if I am correct in my thinking). And so the link to Beethoven's death-bed, where Weis-Ostborn's great-uncle snipped off a lock of B's hair. The Anselm Hüttenbrenner article badly needs tidying on the way... Corragio! Eh bien, quoi? En marche! Allons, enfants de l'Encyclopedie!

Notes

  1. ^ <Cue recap of two years' worth of inquiry and articles on this subject> The Mongofly brothers (1795) and that Wright bloke, I answered, with obviously-to-mind-springing élan: but who else? Thus de:Jakob Degen (Erfinder) (harbinger of Red Bull) who constructed a man-powered flying machine with multiple flapping blades as wings. He demonstrated it the vast winter hall of the Spanish Riding School in Vienna in 1810. It needed the assistance of a gas balloon to work, but he repeatedly ascended to the roof of the riding school and flew around for some time. He doesn't figure much on WP:en at all. Anyway, my old mate Ludwig van B. apparently witnessed this demonstration. One of his correspondent friends, Fernand Piringer (who ended up owning LvB's bookcase and sold it to B's biographer Thayer, see LvB's Letters), talks enthusiastically about "Degen soarings", and
    "Victoria in Döbling — fresh troops are advancing ! The big merchants Gebrüder Meisl in the Rauhensteingasse in their own house, 2nd floor, have received order from Herr Peters of Leipzig to pay to Herr Ludwig van Beethoven several hundred Gulden. I hasten with Degen wings to announce these glad tidings, lllustrissimo".
    So who was this happy Piringer, I wondered? Un-wiki'd, his name cropped up in the lists of mourners at the funeral in the Anton Schindler/Ignaz Moscheles and still-standard Alexander Wheelock Thayer biographies of LvB. Piringer was a torch-bearer, and thus the filling-in of the names in Beethoven's funeral began with Ludwig Titze, second name in the list: which was the beginnings of the stupidly complex and incredibly detailed Ständchen, D 889 (Schubert); then Baron Eduard Lannoy, connected with the amateur orchestral 'Concerts Spirtuels' of specifically German music inc. lots of Beethoven; Johann Baptist Krall, who was also later instrumental in getting both Schubert and LvB re-interred: also both connected with the concerts but not reported at the funeral: Franz Xaver Gebauer, founder of the Concerts Spirituels, and Johann Vesque von Puttlingen who conducted some of them, taught by Lannoy, etc., etc. Everyone is interconnected in a number of interesting ways, including the convivial Ludlamshöhle [de].

MinorProphet (talk) 14:21, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Aequales

Thank you for your e-mail. I'm glad you found the translation helpful. It's always nice to know that something I've done has been useful, and I don't mind long letters.

On reflection, I think the word "suitably" in my translation might not be justifiable. Regarding your footnote i/f; as you know, I didn't actually translate the word "Blasinstrumente" (I'm afraid I had to translate pretty freely, due to the dramatically different grammatical styles; the original German is only two sentences, one quite short!). I sort of assume that "blasenden Trauermusik" means mourning music played by an alta capella, especially if the same group was expected to announce the death from the tower. Would making the words "wind instruments" a link to alta capella perhaps be suitable?

 
Baroque trombones (sometimes called sackbuts) used in Beethoven's funeral may have looked more like this, with a smaller, more conical bell.

If you haven't already seen them (you seem very through), I recommend Collegium Musicum, Moravian Church music, and Sackbut#Symbolism for further cultural background (I wrote large parts of the last). I was going to contact the Moravian Music Foundation (e-mail addresses) and ask about sources; apparently they have archives dating back to the period in which you are interested, with an emphasis upon trombone music and an area near Vienna. I never got around to it, though.

I'd love to see your content on equales merged with the equale article. The article currently has nothing pre-beethoven, and almost nothing about anything but trombone choir equales, serious holes. A longer list of works would also be good.

I'm also fascinated by your mention of antiphonal tower music. We have antiphonal trombone choirs from 17th-century St. Mark's in Venice, and traditions of alta capella, Stadtpfeifer, waits, Neujahrblasen, wassailing; it would be interesting to know how these traditions fit together. Lists of works would also be wonderful here.

Thank you for your work. I will look forward to seeing it in the article space. HLHJ (talk) 02:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)   1 October 2017

@HLHJ: Thanks for your comprehensive and encouraging reply. I'll make your suggested link to alta cappella, I agree with your understanding of "blasenden Trauermusik". Although I really enjoy it, accurate German translation can be really difficult, as Mark Twain knew.
Also thank you for the link and other WLs, I'll have a look. The picture above will look great. I suspect that pictures of assembled trombone players of the Moravian community in the US give some idea of its importance. I'll attempt a merge of the Equale section as you suggest. MinorProphet (talk) 13:06, 29 September 2017 (UTC)   1 October 2017

Copying from sources

Hi! I've undone your addition to Equale, for several reasons of which the only strong one is this: it simply is not acceptable to copy material from other published sources. So if this source contains the sentence "Such designations have often been translated and understood as 'equal voices'… ", we just cannot write "Such designations have often been translated and understood as 'equal voices', … " in our article here. If you think there may be anywhere else where you have borrowed directly from your sources, please remove the copied material as a matter of priority (rewriting afterwards if you so wish, of course). Thank you!

That said, I'm far from convinced that a generalised discourse on equal-voiced music belongs in our article on a very minor niche genre – perhaps this could be discussed? And while I'm here I might as well remind you that changing the established referencing system of an article without discussion is discouraged. Sorry! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:46, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: Thank you for reminding me of various WP rules. I normally try to make a précis of recently-published source material, I'll make your suggested changes and be more careful in future. If you don't feel that the section belongs in the Equale article (and I agree with your reasoning and remarks about referencing), maybe you can suggest some other article where it might belong, (suitably emended, of course)? Or maybe it could become a stand-alone article. Thanks for your welcome input. >MinorProphet (talk) 02:44, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. For what it's worth, I think a stand-alone page on, say, Music for equal voices would be a more appropriate – and valuable – use of the material. I read Carey's article, and see essentially no connection at all between his topic and the trombone repertoire of Linz. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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