Lucumi peopleEdit

Hi Mark viking, I am confused by your edit summary. There is no such thing as "Lucumi people", it is not a content dispute. Therefore the page has to go. What am I not getting? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 02:29, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rui Gabriel Correia--thanks for reaching out. I am certainly no expert on this topic. Your prod complained that they are not an ethnic group, not that they did not exist and thus fail notability. A quick WP:BEFORE-style search showed hits on Google [1],[2] and Google Books [3],[4] for "Lucumi people" and some of these hits don't look derived from the Wikipedia article. So at first glance, they are mentioned in independent sources. I don't know if it is enough coverage to reach WP:GNG notability. An alternative to deletion for verifiable material might be to merge the article into Lucumí language because they are speakers of this language, or Santería, as people who practice the associated religion. Of course, if you believe that the content is in fact not verifiable (I could be wrong) and the article should be deleted, you are welcome to take it to AfD. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 03:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Mark viking. I have had a look at the sources that you provided; the first one is about Lucumi, the language, the second and fourth use "Lucumi people" to refer to the people who follow the Lucumi religion (Santería), much like a book here uses "Mormon people" and here several references are are made to "Amish people", to refer to followers, with hundreds of thousands of sources on Google following the same logi; the third is set in the time of slavery, explaining how the term came to be a synonym for Yoruba (cf the Olukumi people).
The article was created as a one-liner, with a source about Santería, that says nothing about Lucumi as a people. The articles Cubans, Afro-Cubans and Demographics of Cuba say nothing about "Lucumi people", except as a parenthesis on the geographical origin of people of African origin, with "Lucumi" in brackets after Yoruba. See above reference to "Lucumi" as synonyn for "Yoruba".
All things considered, I believe that the right thing to do would be to redirect to Afro-Cubans. What do you think?
For my own edification, I would like to understand the different modes of deletion — you suggested that I "take it to AfD". So — barring the misunderstanding that I created by lack of clarity on "they are not an ethnic group" vs "they did not exist" —, was WP:PROD the wrong method?

Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 22:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I see that you have already converted the article to a redirect. I won't contest that; let's see what other editors think. The prod process is for uncontroversial deletions. The presence of the Lucumi people being mentioned in the literature suggested to me that there was possibly verifiable content. For verifiable content, alternatives to deletion are preferred per our policy WP:ATD. At that point, I considered deletion controversial because a merge seemed likely a better alternative. Generally, use a prod when you think that deletion a slam-dunk and no one is likely to object, and also that there is no verifiable material worth merging, and also the term itself does not merit a redirect. AfD, Articles for Deletion, is the best venue when there may be some controversy and a discussion among editors is likely warranted. Given that, I don't think you did anything wrong--one cannot always anticipate editors' possible objections. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 00:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Mark viking. Re "I see that you have already converted the article to a redirect", it is not that I just went ahead without waiting for further input - I know the area and can tell you that it will not attract much attention (barring a suspected sock that might put in an appearance soon), so the only one that I needed to hear from was you, hence, "What do you think?" above. Then I checked your contributions and saw that you are still not fully active and feared it might be some time before you responded and I wanted to do it while everything was still fresh in my mind. Then you appeared roughly 20 minutes later and put in a long slog. ;-) My apologies, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 08:58, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Rui Gabriel Correia--it is true that I'm not on WP all the time these days. No worries about the bold edit. Thanks and good luck with your editing. Cheers, --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 10:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip Mark, I will try to make the article less promotional, if this promotional editing business persists, should I open up an ANI thread for semi-protection? (talk) 01:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Sure thing, I am sorry I had to deprod. If you think it should be deleted (e.g., perhaps it fails notability), there is still the possibility of bringing it to AfD. If you want to do that while remaining an IP user, I think you can do this by starting the AfD at the article and requesting someone complete your AfD at the AfD talk page at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion. See details at WP:AFDHOWTO. Otherwise, I agree removing promotional content is a reasonable alternative. If their promotional editing persists and the editor just won't stop or discuss their problematic edits, ANI might be the next step. Good luck with your editing! --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 04:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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