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About the link " "Death on a Pale Horse (Revelation)" for the "In The NightSide Eclipse" artwork that you changed


I've undone the change you made to the link that you changed in the In The Nightside Eclipse page.
The problem is that, the link, as you had changed it:
it opens Gustave Doré's page,
instead of the "Death on a Pale Horse (Revelation)" image.

I think that the only way for the link to work is to keep it as an external link (as I had it)

PS. Together with this page I had also added that link to the Emperor (EP) page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueSpiderMan (talkcontribs) 12:38, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

BlueSpiderMan OK thanks for the heads up. I'll have a look. We should try to add an internal link though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Magioladitis You've changed the link into
This way the pic is opened covering only a part of the screen,
while my link was opening filling all the page, and you could even navigate to the other images of the gallery too.
I still prefer my link, but if it's not by Wikipedia's rules to use a wikipedia link as external, then so be it. -- BlueSpiderMan (talk) 16:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

BlueSpiderMan, Wikipedia:Files suggests that we use internal links for images. I tried to convert it so it does it your way but I failed. I 'll ask more editors' opinions on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Magioladitis Great. Thanks for your effort. -- BlueSpiderMan (talk) 16:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Heads up


Hi. You might want to review this edit, in which you tried to change an external link to the wiki into an internal wikilink, but left it a redlink by including an extraneous comma, and seem to have overlooked that it was a Wikipedia article being used as a reference, so it should have been deleted altogether. (I've done that.) --Stfg (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Stfg thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:20, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


  • You are now a member of BAG. Congratulations. Let me know if you have any questions. MBisanz talk 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Welcome to the BAG! Feel free to borrow from my hat collection User:Xaosflux/BAG2 if you want. — xaosflux Talk 22:16, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Very nice, for a few it was "easy decision". Looks like one of the rare achievement on OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 03:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah crap. Not only do I have to pay MBisanz to for password "protection", I now have to pay you for bot "protection". No more. This stops or I'll release photos of you two at a certain convention. Bgwhite (talk) 05:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Congratulations, Magio. Well deserved. --Meno25 (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Now this is a table of contents

See old version of Education in Pakistan. I do not take responsibility for any eye damage. Bgwhite (talk) 06:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Wow - that's funny. I just reverted another change in the same article by the same IP address. GoingBatty (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

AWB edit on Mongkut


Hi. FYI, in a recent AWB edit to the article Mongkut, you missed an erroneous prior edit that duplicated the entire contents of the article. -- (talk) 01:09, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for the heads up. I am sorry about that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Structured false flag

Content dispute, consider WP:DR. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 06:18, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Hi Magioladitis. I would like to ask you for help. There is an Shi'i Iranian user, name BoogaLouie who has done many editing with bad intentions and tendentious for a prolonged period and structured manner on articles relating to Sunni and Saudi arabia. Can you monitor it, or fix it. His edit based on source that can not be accountable or books from the opponent. See [1], [2], [3], [4],[5], and many more. Thank You. Allah bless you. (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

This is BoogaLouie. I have made quite a few edits on topics involving Wahhabi Mission, religion and politics in Saudi Arabia and related matters recently. While many of the edits are less than flattering to the Kingdom's rulers I think you will find them based on reliable sources and otherwise following wikipedia policies and regulations. (PS, I am not Iranian.) --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Magioladitis. This BoogaLouie guy has a motive. He is Shi'i Iranian movement supporter. Everybody is allowed to editing about Middle east, thats OK. But an Shi'i Iranian supporter editing Sunni & Arabic articles with only inserting negative paragraph from unreliable source. Its very obvious. Its not Netral. Its something you need too give attention. I know he is a longtime editor. Thats why i said this is a framed, structured, systematic false information. Can you review Boogalouie edits in Sunni articles. (talk) 22:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
There's a second IP address for this guy. Dude seriously, this is just silly (addressing the IP, not you Magioladitis). You come off as a bigot slandering an established editor with no credible proof, plus you're canvassing across several talk pages. If you want to contribute then learn the policies and guidelines of the site first, if you just want to push a certain POV then please go away. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Ernest G Roy

Hi there. I noticed that you have updated the Wiki page for Ernest G Roy. He was my Great Uncle. I wondered what your interest or connection in him was? Regards Sally — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting. I only improved minor stuff on the page to comply with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Gravity Grave


Why did you remove Shoegazing from the song's categories? Catlemur

User:Catlemur in which edit I did this? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
@Catlemur: Watch again,[6] "Category:Shoegazing songs" was already added, Magioladitis only removed 2nd addition of the category. Category still exists on the article. You can remove duplicate categories. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 12:41, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

My mistake,thanks.Catlemur

Anytime. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


I have been having trouble finding more cats, but I am not done checking. It will probably be another week or so.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


Did AWB replaced [] with [ ?[7] Don't you think that it should remove the whole []? OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 03:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

It's an edge case. Very difficult to decide what to do there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Family Support in the US

Magioladitis: Thanks for stopping by on the family support page, though the Association for Retarded Citizens-US was renamed the Arc almost two decades ago!! While I study organizations in family support and associations, family support is a concept, policy and practice which is broader than the family groups (known in other fields as targeted secondary clients); families originated services such as non-professional respite (family group funding), and are often reluctant to even move to professional child care (public administration funding), and often are unfamiliar with family support as a long term service for deinstitutionalized populations (with original family support groups in Syracuse, New York). Current is "family-directed" services which still has not clarified who in the family yet from the 1980s (e.g., mother usually), and also requests "behaviorism" versus functional community (jobs,education). My newest chapter is on Family support, family theories and family studies (Racino, in press, 2014). JARacino (talk) 17:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

A question


I'm not exactly following the whole affair, except for a couple of comments I made some time in the past but would this be relevant to what you've been doing today? See: Qrococcor (talk · contribs). I'm asking because of one item that showed up on my watchlist with the "|quote=" which I set up, removed without edit summary. All best, Poeticbent talk 18:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Poeticbent Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
  Thanks, Poeticbent talk 19:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Please help

Please have a look at this and help if possible, I have no idea who to turn to with this so I'm trying to contact more experienced Wikipedians.

--Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 22:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 00:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Why you have removed famous panchal people list from "Panchal" Page


Hi Magioladitis,

I have made changes in Panchal pages and as this page was modified by you again.

Just would like to know why you have removed Famous panchal People list, that i posted in this page "Panchal" page as the list is taken itself from "Wikipedia". Thus requesting you to please dont change the list as this is very genuine and taken from Wikipedia.

**What is the reason of deleting this Famous Panchal People list, as this page is for Panchal people and we have to name famous Panchal people on this page, What is wrong in this. Please dont do this as it will heart Panchal people feeling.

Also, i would like to tell you that i know Panchal people and will change only true think on this page, thus requesting you to please dont change without verify it.

Thanks Pp1135 Pp1135 (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm not Magioladitis, but I'd like to note that Wikipedia content must be verifiable and the subjects must be notable. People you regard as important and famous may still not meet the notability guidelines of Wikipedia, so please consider backing up such lists with reliable secondary sources. De728631 (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@De728631: I don't think Magioladitis has removed anything, except the unnecessary "<br />" tags and stub tag, but Pp1135 has removed sourced material.[8]. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 18:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. On a second look, Magioladitis didn't touch the list of eminent panchals. Sitush, however, did remove it. De728631 (talk) 19:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

AWB Checkpage needs to be updated


Only admin can edit that page, so you may want to remove:-

  • Lieutenant of Melkor
  • Russavia

OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 03:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Need to add a few parameters on the talk pages, I don't think I will be doing that on this acc, because it is busy. Can you add "Occults" to the checkpage? That's my other acc. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 07:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone please follow the procedure. Request approval to the CHECKPAGE. I try not to get involved with approvals. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok done. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 08:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Pirate Party (again)

FYI, I have decided to lock Pirate Party of Greece again due to ongoing edit warring. It seems people there can't get used to make use of the talk page over the current number of party members. De728631 (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

New barnstar for you

  The Chicago Barnstar
Thank you for tagging nearly 5000 pages for WP:CHICAGO TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

TonyTheTiger Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, how much did you donate to TonyTheTiger's campaign fund? Nothin is free in Chicago, unless you steal it. My sister lived in Chicago and she only saw some shootings while working as a tail gunner on a hearse. Actually, she was an ER nurse at Mercy downtown, Roseland on the southside and some on the northside. Bgwhite (talk) 01:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Wiki search limited to 1,000 entries?

Hi Magioladitis! In this edit to Wikipedia:Bot requests, you mentioned the restriction that AWB only returns the first 1,000 entries in a wiki search, and then you reverted your edit. Would you mind sharing how you got around this restriction? There have been some bot requests I haven't taken on because I didn't know how to solve this. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

GoingBatty I stripped the list from External links alone by using regular expressions. I'll see if there is something better we can do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

My Bot

Thanks for the note. However, I won't be in a position to revive it in the near future. I will request flag when I can revive it. --Jyothis (talk) 03:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

wiki incubator bqi help

please help us to fix problem in the[9] in [10] that is in luri bakhtiari wiki incubator could you make this template as like as in luri lrc[11] and I copy paste this template to other pages in bqi(luri bakhtiari) wiki incubator pardon meMogoeilor (talk) 13:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

AWB still innocent


Check [12]. "At sea" seemed amusing. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 15:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hehe. Nice one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Cudgel War


I messed up the Cudgel War page.A huge piece of text moved to the 6th reference.Can you or some other experienced user fix it?Thanks in advance. Knowledge is power. (talk) 21:04, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Catlemur did I fix it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:14, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes,thanks man. Knowledge is power. (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Magioladitis Sorry to bother you again but I just noticed that even though you fixed the first error another one occured.A part of the text (Right after the mass leader execution part) vanished again (it is visible when you view the source code)possibly due to a broken citiation. Knowledge is power. (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Catlemur Fixed. You should be able to fix these things alone. Use preview button and if everything goes wrong you can always revert yourself and try again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Will do,cheers. Knowledge is power. (talk) 22:35, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Christian festivals and holy days and Yobot


Isn't All Souls' Day a Christian holy day? Why then did Yobot remove from the article about it the indication that it belongs under Category:Christian festivals and holy days ? I find unenlightening the edit summary: "WP:CHECKWIKI error fixes using AWB (10304))". Yobot has made the same change on All Saints' Day and, for all I know, many more articles on Christian festivals and holy days. I have followed the instructions that led me here rather than raising the question on the Yobot talk page and (too late) stopping its operation. Esoglou (talk) 07:19, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

@Esoglou: Check [13], Category:Christian festivals and holy days was added twice, Yobot removed the duplicate category. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 07:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Esoglou (talk) 08:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)



Consider checking Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/OccultBot, if I have missed anything. Thanks OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 05:07, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Anyone can comment on the BRFA? Or only approved BAG & bot owners. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 12:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone Everyone. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone in all discussions, everyone is welcome to comment unless it is written otherwise. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

New errors to look

-- Magioladitis (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Which ones you've solved yet. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 07:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone. None. It's a work in progress. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone you are welcome to help with the first one! :) I am in search of willing editors and since you are a very active one your help is appreciated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and surely I can. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 13:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


Note to me: Linguistic discrimination. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


Sorry, I only speak English. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:19, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I am trying to improve my English. I hope now what I wrote makes sense. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Please do not sling around the R-word again and do not post on my talkpage. You need to read the rules of use around AWB while your at it, otherwise you'll end up like your buddy. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:26, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I wonder who of us has more similarities with this case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:37, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
The one of us who uses AWB, professor. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

New FRs

  • when a template uses url (or similar) convert it to use the original url in url = and move the web.archive url to archiveurl = Python code.
  • Merge dead link tag is two on same ref. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Magioladitis! I'm wondering if you could help resolve an issue at Talk:Azerbaijan#Language and the subsequent section. My interest in editing is to correct errors in English syntax, verb tenses, verb forms, word usage, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation. I also notice when something is not clear or not worded well, and I try to fix it. If I can't, I ask other editors for help. I was simply trying to improve the language section of Azerbaijan#Language, so I posted a comment. Then an editor named Mursel suggested an alternate wording. In the meantime, a new editor named "Cyber-Policeman" (strange user name) made a change to the article, kind of relating to the issue being discussed on the talk page. Then Alessandro57 reverted, urging him to join the discussion. C-P put the info back in. I left a note with a link to WP:3RR on C-P's talk page. Then I saw C-P had left a note in a separate section regarding a map, but responding to Mursel. I am getting the feeling that this is getting all tied up with politics and nationalist feelings, and my original concern has gone by the wayside somewhat. I don't want to get involved in the argument. Can you help resolve this? CorinneSD (talk) 01:00, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

A note to you from CorinneSD

Hi Magioladitis,

I sent a comment to CorinneSD who communicated with me and you regarding some edits on Azerbaijan (country, not Iran's province) site.

I'm restating the issue here with small changes. The problem is very simple – it is about Azerbaijan map. The very strange thing is that all other countries with uncontrolled regions are shown in dark green/light green colors (see Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine). Azerbaijan had the same type of map until this July 14. Then it was changed to one color. What is the reason for this exception? Wiki administrators should have reverted the map change on July 14 back to dark green/light green colors as it used to be for some time, and the problem would have been avoided altogether.


Cyber-Policeman (talk) 02:16, 17 July 2014 (UTC)



How AWB used to create defaultsort? I had idea that if defaultsort was incorrect whole persondata would be incorrect too. If AWB took idea from persondata then the question arises that how AWB would create defaultsort where there will be no persondata.

Majority of new editors don't know about about defaultsort. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 15:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone there is a routine for that that takes under consideration categories, common names etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 15:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Lead section order


Hi, re this edit: the cleanup template should not have been moved above the hatnote, see MOS:LEAD and WP:HNP. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:11, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64 I know. Thanks for fixing it. It was not standardise. Now everything is set. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:32, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Your help requested

Thank you for your suggestions on Military production during World War II. Bender235deleted over 3 months and 300 hours of my work, 40,000 characters of edits, and hundreds of constructive additions to the page. I am in the midst of uploading an enormous amount of PRIMARY SOURCE DATA and he deleted everything done so far as "wikipedia can not be a source for itself". I am enraged. There was not one comment, warning, question, request, or suggestion from this "editor". Can you please help me reverse all the deletions and keep this guy off the page. There are ongoing constructive edits from several other individuals watching this site. Please help resolve this. --Brukner (talk) 18:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


I just finished reading the article on Thessaly and made a number of minor edits to correct errors in syntax and word usage, and to improve the flow of sentences and make the sentences more concise. I have a few questions about the article that I thought you might be able to answer. Several are regarding the section Thessaly#Avar invasion of the Byzantine Empire.

1) In the first paragraph, the events are presented in an order that seems a little confusing. I don't know the history that well, so I thought perhaps someone else could work on it.

2) Also, in the first sentence of that paragraph, "Byzantine" is in quotation marks. That suggests that it wasn't really "Byzantine". I'm wondering whether those quotation marks are necessary.

3) In the middle of the second paragraph is a sentence that is really unclear:

"Far fewer numbers of Slavs appear to have settled in those parts of Greece where Slavs did settle".
I thought you or someone else could clarify it (and remove the tag).

4) In the middle of the first paragraph in the section Thessaly#Late Medieval and Ottoman Thessaly is the following sentence:

"In 1204 it was assigned to Boniface of Montferrat and in 1225 to Theodore Komnenos Doukas, despot of Epirus".
It is not clear to what "it" refers. If it means "Thessaly", I think the name should be substituted for the pronoun. CorinneSD (talk) 22:17, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

re: Street of Shadows


I heartily endose this edit and/or service. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:22, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Your edit to Huawei


Hi Magioladitis,

You recently reverted 2 edits in Huawei and ZTE, commented: 'Source please'. My edits bring these articles up to date in the wake of extensive reportage. I've identified two primary sources<ref>[] NSA Breached Chinese Servers Seen as Spy Peril</ref><ref>[ NSA Spied on Chinese Government and Networking Firm]</ref>. I plan to restore my edits with the additional material. I believe this addresses your concerns. Chasmo (talk) 19:42, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Chasmo It was not me. Check edit history please. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:43, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Magioladitis, 1,000 pardons, my bad. -- Chasmo (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Need help with Acts 29 Network edit please. - Armorbearer777

(talk page stalker) @Armorbearer777: Per WP:BRD, the IP user has asked you to discuss the references at Talk:Acts 29 Network#Cult?. Good luck, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Victor Ponta


Victor Ponta needs to become a protected article.The valdalism is overwhelming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catlemur (talkcontribs) 13:11, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Page protected 4 hours after your request. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)



[14] Whoever you will link, they won't get any notification. I wanted to let you know that ping settings have undergone numerous changes that they have become pretty complicated. If you want send notification through the ping, you have to sign your post at the same time. If you have entered wrong template for the ping and later you would correct it, still it won't send any notification because you hadn't signed at the time you added the ping. So you will need to sign again. Neither linking to other's comment will send any ping. As for dougweller, I notified him[15] I really avoid pinging people on my messages, even if I want to I won't because next one will deem it as canvassing. If I have pinged I will specifically mention or I would notify them that why I have pinged. It is one of the reason why I had removed the message of Bgwhite from talk page because it was meant for pinging others, but 2nd time I wouldn't be doing so as he clarified that he wants detailed discussion. Thanks OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 17:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Needs infobox


A few of your current batch of edits aren't actually removing the "needs infobox" parameter. (example). Does a regexp need tweaking? -- John of Reading (talk) 09:59, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

John of Reading I am aware of this and I'll fix it. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 10:23, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Fixed. (Hopefully). -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Unreplied 2 Days Old Email that was probably Not Sent

Greetings Mogladitis, I am an active Wikipedia editor. I sent you an email regarding certain privacy issues I am having on Wikipedia. I am not using my Wiki account to leave a note because of certain reasons related to why I sent you the email and I don't want it to be part of my edit history. I copied myself to the email I sent to you but I am yet to even get my own copy of the email. Wikipedia told me the message has been sent so I don't know why I did not recieve a copy. Although I have been on Wiki for about 3 years now but this is my first time I sending out a mail so I am hoping to get a reply from you soonest. I sent the email about 2 days ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:26, 22 July 2014‎, is the email address that you have set on your account a Yahoo address? If so, the email will never get through. More at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 127#email and in some of the other pages linked from that. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:16, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: You were right about Yahoo. But I wonder why I was not told that when I was registering on Wikipedia anyway I have resent the mail with another address and I have received a copy in my inbox. I hope he/she replies soonest. Thanks (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

No-break spaces


Hi! I saw on one of the pages I watch that you're doing a lot of NBSP-elimination as part of a cleanup, following WP:NBSP. That's cool, but in some of those situations I think it's good (and in accordance with the Manual of Style) for there to be a non-break there, it just shouldn't be done with a hard-to-edit normal character. Would you mind taking extra care to see whether you aren't undoing a useful nbsp, and instead of replacing it with a soft space convert it to one of the alternatives like &nbsp; or {{nbsp}} or something? Metadox (talk) 19:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Metadox thanks for the heads up. Do you have an example I did wrong? AWB adds visible nbsp where it's needed. Tell me if I missed something. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
The one I saw in particular was your edit to Dragon here[16], taking out the nbsp in dates like "217 AD" and "16th century BC". On other pages I saw nbsp-before-en-dash being eliminated. So if AWB has code to automatically detect proper uses of nbsp and fix them rather than eliminate them, it's not detecting those cases. Thanks. -- Metadox (talk) 21:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I come here to report and suggest the same. Regarding examples, unfortunately there are lots of them, f.e. [17], [18] Mind that the MOS explicitly suggests to use &nbsp; or {{nbsp}}, so that editors can check on the condition while editing. If you insert the non-breaking-space character code itself, it is indistinguishable from a normal space for editors (that is, without special tools). --Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Matthiaspaul thanks for your examples. You are correct on the first one. AWB right now won't add nbsp between a number and a wikilink. I guess we should fix this. On the second one: Are you sure? Where is this written in the manual? If you are right then we should implement this too. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hard spaces

  Unresolved – Tick it all you want, it's not resolved to my satisfaction. SpinningSpark 00:18, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Why are you replacing hard spaces with normal spaces like you did here? I don't know why WP:NBSP says not to use directly typed hard spaces, but it doesn't say to replace them with normal spaces either. These non-breaking spaces all serve a proper purpose. Whatever problem you are fixing, you are creating a bigger one in the process. SpinningSpark 00:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Spinning I fixed it. I did not see it was also between units -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:05, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
rev 10324 for dB. Now it won;t occur again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
diff -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
(ec) Please include the promise that wordings like "hard space" and "normal space" won't happen again (e.g., see above. Thanks. -DePiep (talk) 00:13, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Don't throw regex at me, please speak in English. If that means you are now inserting a nbsp in front of the dB unit that is not good enough. A nbsp should go between any number and its unit. There are so many units out there in the wild, on some pages using non-SI and obsolete units, that you are unlikely to be able to capture all of them no matter how good you are with regex. It would be far safer to just trust the editor who originally put them in was doing something sensible, except for cases where you can positively detect that that they are inappropriate. Please do not restart this run, it is doing a lot of damage. SpinningSpark 00:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Spinning I did edits semi-manually. I may have missed some. If you have more examples of bad edits please provide them to me and I'll fix them asap. In most cases nbsp's were just text and in-between paragraphs. Maybe a slution is to check for nbsp's between non-numbers. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:24, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Maybe a solution is to get bot approval for the task where people experienced in thinking through unexpected consequences of automated edits can consider it. SpinningSpark 00:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Spinningspark I asked for approval in WP:BOTREQ. This series of edits is to spot any problems. It is done semi-manually and it's also a call for feedback. Till now, in the vast majority of places the nbsp was completely useless. In some cases it was needed and replaced by its "visible" equivalent. Any feedback is welcome. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I just reverted another one. The hard spaces here are clearly deliberate by the editor. The use of {{nowrap}} would probably have been better, but removing the hard spaces is definitely not an improvement. It is a matter of editorial judgement whether the whole equation needed to be on one line, but there is no doubt at all that "foo (mod bar)" (a common object in number theory) must not break across lines. I think others are right that you should not be removing hard spaces from anything not on your whitelist. The approach should be to remove them only from definite blacklist situations. You are going to get way too many false positives otherwise. You cannot possibly identify all situations editors have legitimately used hard spaces. SpinningSpark 11:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
And again. If you are not even detecting μs or eV this will be completely hopeless on physics articles. I really think you need to stop now trying to detect every possible use of nbsp in technical articles. It is just not going to work. SpinningSpark 12:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Not sure about this one either. The editor could have been trying to keep together the journal and volume. SpinningSpark 12:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
True Spinning but this is not something it should be done I guess. No other pages do it afaik. I asked another bot owner about the task to get more feedback. Thanks for your constant comments. I hope it's not a big trouble for you! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Are you saying that nbsp between numbers and units should not be done? That is completely incorrect, that is exactly what should be done. SpinningSpark 12:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Unit names and symbols SpinningSpark 12:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Spinningspark I meant between journal and volume. I ofcourse add nbsp between unit and numbers. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
This ship article had a nbsp in "Untited States" within a nowrap template which is obviously superflous and you correctly removed. However, there were some ship articles further up your contributions that had the nbsp in "United States" without using the nowrap template. Those should either have been left alone or made consistent with the nowrap examples. SpinningSpark 12:18, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
This was using an nbsp in Sennheiser HD555. This is a legitimate and obvious use of nbsp. I don't see how you could possibly detect all possible combinations of manufacturer and product code with regex. There are exponentially more combinations and the task is even more impossible than trying to detect unit names, which is already failing. SpinningSpark 12:18, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Spinningspark another idea is to remove nbps's at end of templates parameters, end of lists, etc. This will already remove approx. ~20% of the instances. It could also be done manually and not by bots if this is the problem. There are ~19,000 pages with "invisible" nbsp characters.
The unit thing is mainly to assist nbsp insertion in the correct place. I found instance where nbsp was not there while it was needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
There is probably even more cases of it being omitted when needed than used inappropriately. It is very common for newbies (and even experienced editors) to write the unit without a space from the preceding number at all, non-breaking or otherwise. SpinningSpark 12:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Spinningspark Mozilla bug prevents from copy nbsp characters to perform tests :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Spinningspark rev 10325 only replaces exisinting "invisible nbsp" with their visible version. It treats hard spaces exactly as soft spaces. If you are familiar, which I believe you are, with regular expressions, please comment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

So you restored a normal space between "mod" and "q" right after I had reverted you and explained here that if anything that was the most important place in the expression where it should not break. (I have not looked at your regex yet, this was edit conflicted, but it sounds like a good approach). SpinningSpark 14:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Spinningspark oops. I missed this one. Sorry. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:13, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject redirects

Hi Magioladitis! Have you seen User:Scott/WikiProject template redirects? I wonder if there are additions there that could be added to User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects. GoingBatty (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

GoingBatty OMG. Do you actually want me to do that? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Only if you're really bored. :-) GoingBatty (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

GoingBatty first remark is that we certainly should get rid of most of "anything else" things. Many can be sent to RfD if you want to help. This completely prevents standardisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

That is one pretty table. Definitely a RfD on "anything else" is in order. Wow, that is alot of redirects not being used. Bgwhite (talk) 22:46, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Cosmetic edits


This is a cosmetic edit. How many times do you need to be asked (or blocked) not to do this per WP:COSMETICBOT. SpinningSpark 00:45, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Spinningspark, instead of accusations, attacks and bring up the wrong policy, how about a simple question instead? See two sections above this #What kind of spaces?. He removed an invisible hard break. Bgwhite (talk) 01:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
An invisible hard break? -DePiep (talk) 01:24, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
The title of this section was removed by Magioladitis with the edit summary "merged with section above. It's the same problem." I have restored it since its removal will lead others to believe that I was commenting on the hard spaces issue when I was not. The edit appears on first sight to be removing a typed double space, which is both cosmetic and considered useful by some editors. I was led to believe this because the edit summary used had changed from "replacing invisible nbsp with normal space" to the completely uninformative "clean up using AWB (10324)". Consequently, I though Magioladitis had moved on to another issue. My apologies for the mistake and the unjustified accusation but if a vague edit summary is given it leaves the meaning of the edit open to misinterpretation. SpinningSpark 10:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Spinningspark I was on the search of an edit summary that will satisfy all... -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I sympathise. I can't understand the criticism of using the phrase hard space, it explains perfectly what the edit is about. There is an article on hard space so you could wikilink it. Maybe that will satisfy those that think it is unintelligble jargon. It might also result in a flaky article getting improved after more eyes get on it. SpinningSpark 10:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, the linked article is basically a list. And no point is made that WP uses that for a definition (a selfref). Then, it was used in combination with normal space (ouch). Later on, there appeared "visible" and invisible hard spaces. Quite enough to make me ask question. Esdpecially when the core & the id "NBSP" is omitted from the description. -DePiep (talk) 18:06, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

AWB Feature request


First of all: thanks, AWB is awesome! I am not a native speaker, so please forgive me if I make mistakes.

With AWB you can make a list based on the source "Wiki search (text)" for a single search term. What I would like is a new option that allows you to have more than one search term. If you chose this new option then you should get a commondialog control asking you which file to use (similar to when you set the source to be a textfile). The search terms should be stored in a textfile, separated by newlines. Maybe that requires two separate options, one for UTF-8 and one for ANSI/Windows-1252.

I would really appreciate it if it is possible to add this functionality because I am currently trying to write some software that could be helpful for some AWB users (don't expect much, I am a noob). It is a basic typo generator with a twist, it will get the number of searchresults from the Wikipedia API and if that is >0 it exports the fixes to the FindAndReplace section in default.xml in \appdata\local\autowikibrowser.

Of course I can write an ugly hack by making a separate application that feeds all the search terms into AWB, but it would be much more awesome if AWB would support this functionality.

I hope I explained everything correctly. Thanks again, Poveglia (talk) 18:21, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Poveglia have you tried adding more than 1 term separated by "|"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
I love you. I love you. I love you. Also, I love you. Poveglia (talk) 18:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Nice! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:30, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello again! I have requested to be registered as an AWB user here so that I can test my software (and fix some typos). Thanks, Poveglia (talk) 20:40, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

What kind of spaces?


re this edit. I don't know what a "hard space" is, not even when compared to a "normal space", and then invoking an NBSP (that I know) rule in the es. I looked at the diff, and I could not find any of those three spaces whithout screen glasses (=I did not see). In other words: what have you done actually? -DePiep (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@DePiep: The space concerned is immediately after the second closing bracket of [[Abraham Foxman]] On the left-hand side, it's a U+00A0 non-breaking (or "hard") space; on the right-hand side it's a U+0020 normal (or "soft") space. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
That's my point. So hard space = NBSP? And soft space = &#x20;? I've made hundreds of edits in this unicode area, and I do not recognize these terms. And I can say, I won't add them to my knowledge now either (because they are undefined and confusing). Quite simple: don't use char names "hard space" and "soft space". Then one does not even need to explain. -DePiep (talk) 22:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
DePiep I used the terminology used at Wikipedia:AWB/FR#Add_to_Gen_Fixes:_replace_literal_hard_spaces_with_corresponding_HTML_entity. I admit "invisible NO-BREAK SPACE" would be more accurate. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
How did you do in regex: an "invisible hard space" but not a "visible hard space"? -DePiep (talk) 02:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Your link is to a talkpage. Nuf said. (can't beleve I'm suposed to spend time on this). -DePiep (talk) 01:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
No, a feature request talk page (wait for it to it be an archive page of that). -DePiep (talk) 01:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Metadox, Matthiaspaul, Redrose64, DePiep thank for your comments. My idea was/is the following: Replacing invisible nbsp with normal space enables AWB to add visible nbsp where it is needed. We can expand the cases where visible nbsp is added. I did a limited number of edits to catch attention and get some feedback. Don't hesitate to send me more. It's a work in progress which I did not directly add to AWB's code yet: rev 10323. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. I must agree that even AWB uses the ambiguous names. Can we then at least agree Magioladitis, Metadox, Matthiaspaul, Redrose64 that we by personal choice will not abuse? Thank you. (I, of course, will go to WP:AWB and change their talk. After all I had to clean up their AWB:REGEX page too). -DePiep (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
DePiep what do you think it's an appropriate term? Invisible nbsp? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
What is "invisible nbsp"? Does exist a "visible nbsp"? -DePiep (talk) 23:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
DePiep &nbsp; (6 characters) it's a visible nbsp while the other one is given by an invisible character. -- Magioladitis (talk)
Are you serious? -DePiep (talk) 23:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I guess, by "invisible nbsp" he means using the character code directly, whereas by "visible nbsp" he probably means to use either the HTML entity &nbsp; or the wiki template {{nbsp}}. The MOS is clear about that if we use the non-breaking-space somewhere, we should use the "visible nbsp" only, because otherwise editors don't have a chance to distinguish it from a normal space without using special tools. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 23:39, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Matthiaspaul DePiep That's what I mean. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:41, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I really, really do not get what you are talking about. I know NBSP and &#x20;. The rest is unsourced rubbish. -DePiep (talk) 23:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
DePiep there are two way to add non-breaking space. With the use of text of 6 characters and with the use of single invisible character! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:58, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
How to enter NBSP is not the issue (nice diversion try). -DePiep (talk) 00:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
DePiep not per WP:NBSP. It ways not to use the invisible character. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:07, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't know you were a developer on AWB. In that case I have broad reservations about the entire approach here. It sounds like your intention is to strip all nbsp literal characters very early in the process (in Parsers.FixUnicode) and then add them back as MOS-compliant &nbsp; entities later (in Article.PerformGeneralFixes) if they are detected as "good" uses of nbsp? In that case I fear that the proper use of nbsp is an editorial judgment call that probably can't be reliably matched by any automated tool. In particular think about this item from WP:NBSP: "in other places where breaking across lines might be disruptive to the reader, such as…". There's just no set of regexes that can do more good than harm on those cases. In my opinion AWB should implement this feature as a two-sided classifier instead of a one-sided one. In other words, rather than just trying to come up with a bundle of regexes that matches all the "good" uses of nbsp, also create a set that match many of the "bad" uses. Then code AWB to convert known-bad uses of nbsp into normal space characters, known-good uses into &nbsp; entities, and leave can't-reliably-classify uses alone—possibly flagging them for the user to pass judgment, or collecting a dataset of hard cases that you can then use to design better regexes. -- Metadox (talk) 03:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Metadox good idea. Examples of bad use of &nbsp; entities I noticed so far are at the end of lists and template parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Undid one more [19]. Really, "hard space" is not a word we use these Unicode days any more. And your "WP:CHECKWIKI" es link left me with even more homework. Just change the es into modern language with direct #links, OK? -DePiep (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
DePiep Which word do we use then? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I already wrote that. Right in this thread. (Jee. So you don't read my replies? If you won't read, I won't diff). But for now, just read two lines three. Can you?: -DePiep (talk) 23:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I was dragged into the because of message left at Checkwiki.
  1. DePiep, do not revert an edit because you don't like an edit summary or you think it is a cosmetic edit. These are not valid reasons to revert. -- re DP: Where did you read "I don't like the es"? I wrote I don't get the es. (stop pushing words into my writing).
  2. Removing an invisible character is not cosmetic. Bot approval has already been given for removal of invisible characters. -- re DP: An 'invisible character'? Removing? What are you talking about? It looks like one invisible char is replaced by another invisible char. What do you think it is?
  3. This is certainly making a mountain out of a molehill with lots of time wasted. -- re DP: Sure. You could have read the background. And the Unicode + HTML defs, they are right below.
  4. Different professions have their own nomenclature. Just because one person wants it one way and another wants it another doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong. -- re DP: Yes. Our nomenclature is Unicode and HTML. This is not 1985. And Unicode is not my personal thing. It is the internet standard.
  5. One wants to use Non-breaking space and the other Hard space. Guess what, they both mean the same thing. They both have Wikipedia pages. One is used in Unicode and the other is more common in typesetting. I say pop, my wife says soda. Doesn't matter, they mean the same thing. btw... I've always thought it as "hard space" since college, 30 years ago. -- re DP: (what I have to guess what?) So I need to learn that 'hard space' is 'nbsp' (new for me this week, really). Then why not say "NBSP" - that will stay. Now tell us about 'invisible' spaces, and more. Or better: save time, do not.
  6. This is all moot because 99% of the editors are not familiar with either term. 99% of people wouldn't know without a link. 95%-99% of people wouldn't know Unicode. As long as a wikilink is given and "invisible" is in the sentence, it doesn't matter which one is used. Both wikilinks mention the other term. As people keep reminding me, there is no "must use" or "must do" in Wikipedia. -- re DP: Not moot. I still don't know what an 'invisible hard space' is, when replaced by a 'soft space'. Take fun from normal space. invisible space. soft space.
re DP = my replies: -DePiep (talk) 01:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
DePiep, you brought me into this and I've given my thoughts. But this has to be one the lamest edit wars in awhile. A big brouhaha over one wanting to say pop and the other soda. Bgwhite (talk) 23:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Unicode 001

  • U+0020   SPACE (HTML &#32;)
  • U+00A0   NO-BREAK SPACE (HTML &#160; · &nbsp;, &NonBreakingSpace; · NBSP)

-DePiep (talk) 01:13, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

No editing solely to remove whitespace


Hello. Please configure Yobot to not save edits to an article if all it did was remove whitespace (i.e. a space inadvertently typed after a full stop at the end of a paragraph), as it did for Tintin in Tibet. Edits like this are widely considered pointless. Thank-you. Prhartcom (talk) 15:05, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It isn't whitespaces. Please read the es and abve sections about this. (tJosve05a (c) 16:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
In this edit, it's not clear which "WP:CHECKWIKI error fixes" were performed. GoingBatty (talk) 17:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom, Josve05a, and GoingBatty: I can't know for sure why this page appeared in that day's list. There is a chance that the page was reported for error #61 (references before punctuation) and this edit might have fixed it. Thanks for the report. These edits might happen but they happen very rarely. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Prhartcom, it is indeed on the #61 error list. Still is on it. It is throwing an error because of, abandonments{{sfn|Apostolidès|2010|pp=211–212}} ... The heroes have . Article should go on the whitelist? Prhartcom, it is better to ask a question than to make an accusation. Bgwhite (talk) 20:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Bgwhite, I said please and I said thank-you. Magioladitis, you are welcome and I'm glad this article turned out to be a good test case for your error #61 (is it the unusual location of the ellipsis? We just added that recently. Good luck). GoingBatty, thanks for the word; good to see you pop up again. Cheers, all. Prhartcom (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite I guess you should add the ellipsis to the list of punctuation marks. Once again, Prhartcom thanks for the report. It was really helpful in an unexpected way. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Gentlemen, for what it's worth, I returned only to say I have updated our article from this: " ... " to this: "&nbsp;... " as recommended by MOS:ELLIPSIS. Prhartcom (talk) 05:04, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Prhartcom, I did not know about "&nbsp;... ". Thank you. You forgot an &nbsp; at the end of the ellipsis. Having dyslexia can be fun. Instead of "Prhartcom", I see "Phartcom". I wouldn't be telling people you have a fart company as that turns people gay. Bgwhite (talk) 07:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah I get that all the time, just not the part about gay pigs. Actually there is no &nbsp; at the end of the ellipsis. The idea is to prevent a line break at the space before it, but allow a line break if needed at the space after it. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 11:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)



Can you take a look at this edit. Am I missing something? What are you replacing? — xaosflux Talk 03:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Xaosflux, see above at #What kind of spaces? and the surrounding discussions. Per the edit summary, he is replacing a Unicode character with a regular space. His bot, Yobot, sort of did the same thing two edits earlier. Bgwhite (talk) 05:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Xaosflux as said page had (or perhaps has) a lot of invisible characters (line separator, inivisble nbsp, etc.). Some parts also look copy pasted from another source but I was unable to spot it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The change in page size is seven bytes. This is consistent with the replacement of seven instances of a non-breaking space (two bytes, C2 A0 in UTF-8 encoding) by normal spaces (one byte, 20 in UTF-8). Making a character-by-character comparison of old and new versions, I find that is exactly what happened. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, I just misread the summary; thought you were replacing a character entity (that I couldn't find) vs the unicode one. Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 11:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Special Barnstar
Congratulations on 500,000 edits! OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 19:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Well OccultZone, with Magioladitis, that number isn't a big deal. Take away his trivial and cosmetic edits and you are only left with 42 "good" edits. By complete coincidence, all 42 edits were done at ANI. Hmmm, 42 is familiar.... Bgwhite (talk) 23:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Special than what I thought.   OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 15:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Congartulations, my dear friend. Way to go, Magio. --Meno25 (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)



It didn't fix Quantum search of an unstructured database... </ref>? Bgwhite (talk) 21:53, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite tests prove that marks do not move. rev 1033. I'll investigate more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
?/! not fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

rev 10334 Move refs after question and exclamation mark. I hope there was no reason that we have not been doing it till now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Like tables that use exclamation marks to divide columns? GoingBatty (talk) 23:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
GoingBatty rev 10341 shows that should not be a problem. Or not? -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

AWB corruption of Unicode characters to PUA characters


Sorry for misunderstanding re Astrological symbols. I thought you were applying the PUA template to characters that were not PUA characters. In fact they were PUA characters, so you were correct to apply the template, *but* they were originally not PUA characters, and had been corrupted from assigned Unicode characters (e.g. U+1F71A was changed to U+F71A) by this edit. Obviously AWB should not corrupt Unicode characters. Do you have the latest version of AWB? If so, then this should be reported as a serious AWB bug. BabelStone (talk) 17:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

BabelStone it has already been fixed for the next release. My action to use the template is a temporary solution till everyone gets the new release. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation; unfortunately your edit summaries did not make it clear that that you were using the PUA template as a temporary solution for a bug in AWB, so I did not know what was going on. To avoid misunderstandings by other editors who see the PUA template applied to non-PUA characters, and to ensure that the hack gets reverted once AWB has been updated, I think that you should use a differently-named template that substitutes the PUA template and puts the pages in a special hidden category. BabelStone (talk) 17:45, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

User talk page deletions


You have been deleting and moving around your talk page archives. It looks at first glance as if in the process, hundreds of user talk page edits have been permanently deleted. This is not allowed and a misuse of admin tools. Can you please either indicate where the hundreds of deleted edits in the history of e.g. User talk:Magioladitis/Archive 7 (and the other archive pages) can be accessed by non-admins, or correct your error and make sure that no talk page edits are inaccessible any longer? Fram (talk) 08:13, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Fram All archives were merged to help me have easier access. Moreover, all entries are accessible via the main talk page's edit history. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:57, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

No, they aren't. The oldest entries in the main talk page edit's history are from 10 February 2013, everything older (i.e. more than 6 yesrs) is lost. Fram (talk) 09:03, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I here see everything User talk:Magioladitis/Archive 1. I seen nothing suspicious in the edit history neither. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:10, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

You made a copy-paste move, losing all the history, and creating a totally unusable 1.7 Gigabyte page? Of course you don't see anything suspicious in the edit history, there no longer is an edit history. As a long-time admin, you really should now that while you are free to archive pages by moving and/or copy-pasting them, you should never delete the history while doing this (or otherwise). So, for the last time, please restore all deleted edits from your user talk pages. Fram (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
It's 1.7 Megabytes, not 1.7 Gygabytes. Still annoyingly massive to browse on slow machines, but let's not exaggerate things here. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 11:09, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Oops, that as indeed a slight exaggeration, thanks. Still one of the largest pages on enwiki I think! Fram (talk) 11:21, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

No edits were deleted afaik. If in doubt please contact another admin to verify. I will be happy to correct any mistake i may have done during the merge process. Magioladitis (talk) 09:48, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This edit from pigsonthewing has been deleted. A search for the title on your talk page returns zero results. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. I see at least 12 edits by me that are now deleted. In total there are literally thousands of edits you have deleted. I don't understand why you are unable to see this. Fram (talk) 11:06, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Missing part restored. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:17, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Fram I fixed it. all your comments should be there. Please be more specific when leaving a comment in my talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

WP:OWNTALK. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:23, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

You didn't fix it at all, what gives you that idea? You don't seem to realise that WP:OWNTALK is about removing edits from the visible page, not from the edit history, and that "User talk pages are almost never deleted, although a courtesy blanking may be requested." (from OWNTALK). You have deleted thousands of edits from the edit history, which is not allowed, as you should be well aware. Fram (talk) 11:31, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
What else is missing? Can you please hold a civilised dialogue? AFAIK everything is in place. Please provide more details. I guess since you already started an ANI you don't really want a dialogue here, so...-- Magioladitis (talk) 11:32, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Let me repeat part of my opening post here: "Can you please either indicate where the hundreds of deleted edits in the history of e.g. User talk:Magioladitis/Archive 7 (and the other archive pages) can be accessed by non-admins, or correct your error and make sure that no talk page edits are inaccessible any longer?" If you are unable to notice this problem (which e.g. Ritchie333 had no problem of finding based on my posts), never mind resolve it, then you really aren't to be trusted with the admin tools. Fram (talk) 11:35, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Fram Thanks for contacting me. The contents have been relocated in other archives. You may use the search tool to locate the wanted comments. But please take note that since this is my talk page I am allowed to remove comments while I have not removed any comments of yours. Still, everything is still accessible via the edit history. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:37, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
"Still, everything is still accessible via the edit history." NO IT ISN'T. That's the problem which we have tried to explain now for three hours. You have destroyed the edit history, and thousands of edits are no longer accessible via the edit history. Seriously... Fram (talk) 11:43, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Please provide me an example because even the one above was accessible via edit history. Magioladitis (talk) 11:47, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm here from the ANI. The easiest way to see the effect of your deletions is this link, where several of your archive pages now have well over a hundred deleted edits. Appropriate undeletions and Special:Mergehistory with your current talk page might be one way to fix this issue; I can help with this if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself. Regardless, I agree that these edits should really be undeleted. I figured out what happened through the move log of your talk page. Graham87 12:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Graham If there are any edits hidden from the edit history please fix them if this is not a big problem for you. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 12:32, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, I'll do that. Graham87 12:38, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Graham Thank you very much. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

All done, and thanks for the beer!. All the relevant edit history is now in your main talk page. Here's the logs of what I did. The history of the archives will be a bit of a mess now, but that'll be easier to clean up. Graham87 13:09, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. It turns in the early years I was performing the archiving by myself by moving the page. Later I trusted a bot to do the job for me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:11, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

The way Fram was writing it seemed that they meant "Deleted entries" i.e. "Removed entries" and not "deleted revisions". They came to ANI before they fully explain to me the problem in full. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit summaries


You recent edits, apart from those here, all seem to have the same edit summary "using AWB". Please provide some detail of what you are doing and why, even if it is just in the form of a shortcut and link. "using AWB" is about as informative as "using Visual Editor" and does not really qualify as a proper edit summary.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 13:40, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:41, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Your edits to Analog television

Please not make edits that do not affect the rendered text. Such edits do not improve the encyclopedia and increase both server and other editors' workload, as we pore through the diffs to try to see what you changed. Thank you for your understanding. Jeh (talk) 08:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I recently submitted a page about the "Τροχαδι" which was in Greek and I would like to translate it and put it back up on the website. The instructions said to message you before doing so. Is there anything I should be aware of? Or can I just re-write the text in English and then post it?

P.S Do the references need to be in English? Most of the primary sources are academic books from the late 19th early 20th century that were written in Greek and are not available online so naturally all of the information is in Greek, should I translate these? Or just keep it in the original Greek?

Thanks, DollyBou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dollybou (talkcontribs) 16:23, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Dollybou: A good-quality reliable source is preferred to a low-quality unreliable source, even if it is in Greek. See WP:NONENG. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


Magioladitis, these edits to FGM (22 February; 22 February; and 17 February) violate WP:CITEVAR by unbundling citations and moving references out of sequence. They seem provocative given that I asked you on 15 February to stop changing cite formats elsewhere.

FGM is a featured article. It has gone through a GAN review, an informal peer review, a formal peer review, an FAC review, and two external specialist reviews, so if you want to make changes, including changes to the citation formats, please gain consensus on the talk page first. Thank you, Sarah (SV) (talk) 01:01, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry. I did not recall it was the same page. I am trying to fix the paragraph breaks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for adding this. Sarah (SV) (talk) 02:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay, you've done it again. [20] Please leave the references alone. They are meant to be bundled. If you want to change them, please gain consensus on the talk page first. Sarah (SV) (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
SlimVirgin Magioladitis did that (in Female genital mutilation) because <p> tags are not to be used in references like that. It causes accessibility problems with those using screen readers. This is not changing cite formats, this is allowing the blind to actually read the article. Accessibility trumps CITEVAR. Accessibility trumps however you want a page to look. Either remove the <p> tags or use something like {{Paragraph break}}. Bgwhite (talk) 06:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
NEVER tell anyone that they can't talk on somebody else's talk page as you did at Yobot's. That is rude and condescending. Bgwhite (talk) 07:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @Bgwhite: I'm interested in learning more about accessibility problems and how I can improve the articles I edit. I see that Template:Paragraph break/doc also mentions the issue with <p> that you pointed out. However, I don't see that information on Help:Footnotes or Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility (unless one should infer it from WP:Deviations). Do you have any recommendations on the best place for me to get a full education? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talkcontribs)
Accessibility MOS page that you pointed out is the best source. Any specific questions can be directed towards Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility. For tables, MOS:DTT gives a tutorial with examples. The screen reader most people use costs alot of money. If you are using Chrome, ChromeVox is a free screen reader program. While an issue in ChromeVox does or doesn't mean it is an issue other screen readers, it does help in understanding how a blind person "reads" an article. We were thinking of mentioning the use {{Paragraph break}} to WP:BUNDLING. Bgwhite (talk) 19:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I am confused. What is the problem? Why should the references stay merged together? Now I see that the problem was not AWB but me changing things manually? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015

  How to pick up more women...
Hi Magioladitis! Victuallers and I have developed a proposal for a talk to be presented at Wikimania 2015. It's titled, How to pick up more women... -- as in more women editors and more women's biographies. Examples include the Edit-a-thon blitz during WikiWomen's History Month and the "new articles" work underway by WikiProject Women Writers. The Wikimania talk proposal review process has begun and there's no guarantee that our proposal will be accepted. That's where you come in. Please review it and, if you wish, give us feedback on the submission's talkpage or my talkpage (vs. your talkpage). Ultimately, we hope you add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal which signifies you'd be interested in the talk if you were attending it (it does not commit you to attending Wikimania). Thank you! Rosiestep (talk) 04:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Original Barnstar
Thanks for the notification on the Paris & Simo page, didn't realize it was an orphan! Have added links form other pages. DaniDWrite (talk) 10:29, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

DaniDWrite thank you so much!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox power station

Thank you so much for sorting the stuff out. :) And really sorry I couldn't be online when needed. Too much work in RL :/ Rehman 15:06, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@Rehman: Anytime my friend. Still a lot to be done at Category:Pages using infobox power station with unknown parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey there. Just asking, is it too much work to make a table like this (second table), using a bot? That would make it more easy to work on the category mentioned above. Rehman 07:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Rehman: Better ask Plastikspork for this one. I do not have a script for doing it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately s/he is no longer active :( I have posted at WP:BR. Hopefully someone else can also do it... :) Rehman 10:44, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Subscript error


Hi, your WP:WCW edit here introduced an error into Differential calculus. The correct fix is this. I don't know how WPCleaner works, so I don't know whether the incorrect fix is a problem with WPCleaner that should be reported upstream. Could you take a moment to look at the correct fix and, if appropriate, make a bug report? Thanks. Ozob (talk) 14:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Ozob thanks for th fix. It was my mistake. I only used WCW to detect the error. Then I checked the page and I was sure I did everything all right while I did not. Thanks again. No further action is needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Isthisuseful (talk) 22:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Yobot Query


Can I ask why Yobot made this edit and reverted what I had written? David-King (talk) 15:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Most probably for the same reason I reverted your edit to 2006 FIFA World Cup. We don't superscript ordinals on Wikipedia, see MOS:ORDINAL. Nanonic (talk) 15:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Can I ask why that is or are you not the person to ask? David-King (talk) 16:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
David-King The rule has been around Wikipedia forever. Most major style guides (Chicago, AP and Oxford) don't use superscript. Generally, when the style guides align, that is what we use. Bgwhite (talk) 18:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I personally think superscript looks more professional and indeed Microsoft Office has superscript for ordinals as the default, but hey, whatever. David-King (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
All known style guides I know do not use superscripts. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:55, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm merely questioning the people who set those style guides. Who are they, do they know what they're doing and are they qualified to set them? What reason do they give for why we can't superscript ordinals? It's an arbitrary matter so why make it seem as though there is an objective solution. David-King (talk) 19:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @David-King: You may wish to ask at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. GoingBatty (talk) 23:31, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Cheers GoingBatty. Will take it up with them ASAP! — Preceding unsigned comment added by David-King (talkcontribs) 00:19, 4 March 2015 (UTC)



Hmmm. Have never done this before so I am not sure where this is going, but my 2 cents...

I take exception to the first sentence. ANOVAs are not models. They are tools used to analyze a variety of models by partitioning sums of squares. The result of an ANOVA analysis is a table of the various components of variance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aty.mern (talkcontribs) 01:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aty.mern (talkcontribs) 01:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Aty.mern: I think you're referring to the Analysis of variance article. You may wish to post your suggestions on Talk:Analysis of variance so that you can work with other people interested in this topic to improve the article. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 02:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

On the reversion of edits to the Transhumanist Party main article

Hi Magioladitis,

I would like to inform you of an issue that is ensuing with a page in the main article namespace. As it becomes more controversial and triggers larger discussion, it should be brought to the attention of administrators and higher-ranked individuals on Wikipedia.

In November 2014, the article "Transhumanist Party" was nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transhumanist Party. A long discussion about its notability can be viewed at that page, resulting in the decision to replace the page with a redirect to a section of Zoltan Istvan's page, the founder and chairman of the party. The stated reason was that the article was too dependent on primary sources, and they couldn't confirm that it was "real".

After over 3 months of the party's publicity and media coverage, as well as work being done to Draft:Transhumanist Party to add those references and new information being made publicly available, the page was restored. Within hours, the user Dsprc, who was in favor of removing the page the first time, came and removed it again, even though the reference situation had been ameliorated and the party's website was also functional and provided more information and news stories.

Zoltan Istvan is now planning on writing a series of articles that will be published on national news media challenging Wikipedia and the users involved in keeping down the Transhumanist Party article. Among the subjects of these articles are users Dsprc, Stalwart111, Philosopher, their actions, and Wikipedia executive staff. Wikipedia's failure to support an article on this notable political party will not go unnoticed. In the meantime, the page will be properly restored so it can be seen by and improved by users and the public, as there is no doubt that it deserves its page on The Free Encyclopedia for people to see. Nobody is against making the page better, and there will be new additions and references all the time; the party's news coverage is consistently growing, and maybe its Wikipedia page's will soon too.

I hope you can be of help to Wikipedia and the Transhumanist Party by appropriately keeping up this article for the public so conflict does not become more severe.

Thanks, Mechanic1c Mechanic1c (talk) 18:55, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@Soman: -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Yobot flattens Amelia Boynton Robinson


In a quick scan of the Yobot page, I don't see an item associated with flattening sections as in the edit above. The diff is hard to read, but in addition to reducing the level of some sections, the Yobot edit also seemed to add a section titled "Early life and education". If this is a proper edit, can you explain the guideline (my talk page, if you don't mind)? — MaxEnt 07:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @MaxEnt: Yobot only did this. The other changes were made by User:Parkwells in this edit. DH85868993 (talk) 07:38, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


Congratulations on Yobot's recent milestone! How are you tracking Yobot's edits in comparison to other bots? Wikipedia:List of bots by number of edits/1–1000 hasn't been updated since June. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

GoingBatty Thanks! I checked Yobot's edit with edit counter and it has 4 million + 32,000 edits. Since Smackbot does not edit anymore I guess Yobot did more than 32,000 edits in the last 3 months and that it's now ranked #3. I think it's a good guess. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
ClueBot NG has 3.2 million currently. This makes it the fifth bot to reach 3 million edits. Cydebot is still on the lead with 4.7 million while WP 1.0 bot has 4.5 million edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Mistaken fix to reference after punctuation in At Freddie's


In this edit [21] Yobot replaced a "<ref>text</ref>:" with ":<ref>text</ref>" per the style rules on references coming after punctuation. However, the colon here is not English punctuation but is instead wiki markup, part of a ";label:more text" construction. The reference is meant to be attached to the label, and thus must absolutely come before the colon.

Whether you want to make the obvious program fix that fails less often (don't correct the first colon after a new-line-starting semicolon) or just add At Freddie's to some exclusion list (but then leaving future flubs to human notice) is up to you.

Thank you for your attention. Choor monster (talk) 12:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Choor monster I think I found a solution now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your fix, much simpler. I added an explanatory comment, since down the road someone else will "fix" your fix and all that. Choor monster (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Choor monster in fact the double dot is expected to be in a new line. Otherwise, it can be confused with a punctuation symbol. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
H:DL doesn't mention putting the colon on a line by itself. Choor monster (talk) 14:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, it's perfectly valid -
Term 1
Definition 1
Term 2
Definition 2
Term 3
Definition 3
--Redrose64 (talk) 13:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Demons (Dostoyevsky novel)


I reverted a change at Demons (Dostoyevsky novel) by Yobot because it mis-aligned the paragraphs. Harold the Sheep (talk) 00:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Harold the Sheep thanks for letting me know. I tried a different approach. Please check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
That's great, thanks. Harold the Sheep (talk) 00:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

AWB on Mac

I'm wondering if you run AWB on a Mac. I'm running into issues with installion with Wine. --I dream of horses @ 07:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Horses are nightmares, Wine and AWB have problems. I haven't been able to run it under Linux, but I haven't tried for atleast a year. I did run it under CrossOver. The downside it it costs a minimum of $40. There is a free trial available at their website. Parallels Workstation and VMware Fusion are also options. I have used Parallels in the past and really enjoyed it.
Several months back, Microsoft announced they will be officially supporting .Net for Mac and Linux. Hopefully, that will allow AWB to run on Macs and Linux. Bgwhite (talk) 08:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite, so in other words, using Huggle with Wine kind of spoiled me. Hopefully, one day AWB will be cross-platform and I won't have to use the in-browser AWB script. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 21:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


...for {{paragraph break}}, I didn't know about it. I've made a shortcut {{parabr}}. BMK (talk) 08:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

delete two modules


could you delete Module:Solar eclipse/old/200 and Module:Solar eclipse/data/200 for me? the old page is no longer needed, and the redirect keeping the main module using 'Module:Solar_eclipse/db/200' directly. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:30, 24 March 2015 (UTC)



Yobot is substing Template:Infobox standard right now...but whenever the first line of the box is {{Infobox standard <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Songs --> it breaks! [[File:|18px|link=]] Eman235/talk 23:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I am notified already. I am fixing them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Eman235/talk 23:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


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April 2015

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Explain please? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

OccultZone I do not plan to impose any editing restrictions to any editor unless I miss something. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:53, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe they are suggesting that because you and your bot both edit Biographies often, you are at risk of being sanctioned by the committee. My personal persepctive is that this is another extremely poor decision made by the Arbcom that will, as is often the case of their decisions, do more harm than good to this project. This decision of their will in fact cause people to avoid completely making changes, including positive improvements, to biographies. I could be wrong about OccultZones intent though. Either way, good luck. (talk) 15:58, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Per the discussions I had with some guys the legal department of WMF, my edits (manual or by bot) in BLPs barely would pose any problem. There was a discussion in last year's Wikimania about minor edits in BLPs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:02, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
From now you are officially aware of the discretionary sanctions that are authorized for the articles concerning living or recently deceased people. If the editor in question is aware of these sanctions, then any editor may report their misconduct to WP:ARE or to any uninvolved admin and for requesting sanctions against that editor who has violated any of the policies while editing the subjects that are relevant to this DS. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 16:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

OccultZone do you plan to leave this message to every editor in Wikipedia? I am aware of the ArbCom sanction. Any reason you left this specifically to me? -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Evidently you weren't before 15:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC), unless you can tell that you had participated in any process about the area of conflict at arbitration requests or arbitration enforcement or if you had added this particular template or message on others UTP. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 16:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I can read the decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Editing of Biographies of Living Persons. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Main page topic


Hello dear user. Today a russian boat crashed near Kamchatka Oblast, 54 people died. How can we add this info on the news section on main page? Thanks in advance for your respond. M.Karelin (talk) 08:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Миша Карелин: I believe Wikipedia:In the news has the information you're looking for. GoingBatty (talk) 02:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

What did (does)Yobot do?


Hi Magioladitis,

I've been editing the Theo Travis page and you've made an edit in the last 24 hours with Yobot which, as I understand it (and I don't really, yet) is not as a direct user as such but rather with some sort of automated editing bot for doing long, boring editing tasks. I don't really understand what your edit achieved. (It may well have achieved something very useful - as I say, I don't really understand what. I wouldn't object to a simple explanation.)

Anyway, the reason for messaging you is, what I've been doing on this page is editing its discography which I subdivided into several sections for ease of managing it. For editing purposes, each section then had (and now has) its own edit facility. Since your Yobot edit, sections 2.2 and 2.3 (which is a particularly long section) no longer have this edit facility. Does this sound like your Yobot edit could have made this change? - and if I undo that change would that put those two facilities back? Also, what else would undo undo?

I'm at the low end of the learning curve here, so your comments would be much appreciated.

Also, it might be that some sort of bot would be very useful to me for sub-editing Discographies on Wikipedia. (Most of the editing I've done has been music and musicians related.) Advice welcome

Thanks in advance,

Alterations (talk) 19:52, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Alterations: It wasn't Yobot. The problem was introduced with this edit, where several {{nowrap| were added, at least one of which was without a closing }} - for every pair of opening double braces, there must be a matching pair of closing double braces; and when the opening pair is in a bulleted list item, the closing pair should normally be in the same bulleted list item. I fixed it like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:38, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I must have missed out a }} before I went to bed. I always check those things, but sometimes one gets past me! Thanks for spotting and fixing. I certainly won't be undoing that.
I'm still baffled as to the vanishing 2 facilities to edit, though.
Alterations (talk) 21:18, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64 Maybe the vanishing edit facility means you were editing (mistakes in) those sections at the time I looked? Yes? The 2 facilities have come back now. Alterations (talk) 21:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
@Alterations: I made three edits. The two missing [edit] links reappeared after my first edit: I made the second and third edits by way of ensuring that no further imbalances remained. Prior to my first edit, what was in the article was basically this:
===Solo Albums===
*{{nowrap|''Slow Life'' (2003) {{nowrap|Ether Sounds}}

===Solo Compilation Albums===

===Collaboration Albums===
*[[Indigo Falls]]:}} {{nowrap|''Indigo Falls''}} (1998) {{nowrap|(Medium Productions Limited)}}
which is to say, the {{nowrap}} begun immediately before Slow Life didn't end until just after Indigo Falls; and in between those points were two subheadings - and these are the ones for which there were no [edit] links.
However, on a more general note, why is it necessary to use {{nowrap}} so extensively? --Redrose64 (talk) 22:00, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Adrian Haworth


You deleted a page with the title Adrian Haworth, thereby creating at least one redlink on one of my GA articles. Would you please restore it or point to a workaround - since it has gone I don't know what the problem was --Michael Goodyear (talk) 22:40, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Michael Goodyear Per WP:REDLINK, red links are a good thing. Red links help Wikipedia grow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Not when a real link gets replaced by a redlink. The point is if you delete a page - surely that requires checking what directs there first. Otherwise the only 'growth' I see coming from this would be to replace the deleted page - which I suspect was a redirect. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 16:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Looking into this, I see that the Adrian Haworth page only had one revision at the time of its deletion, and that consisted of the single line
#REDIRECT [[Adrian Hardy Haworth|Adrian Hardy Haworth]]
The page Adrian Hardy Haworth already existed (having been created 12:13, 25 February 2005; and never moved, deleted or undeleted), and was not itself a redirect, so I don't think that either the deletion code (G6) or the extended rationale (Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup: Double redirect) was applicable. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:37, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Redrose64 you are right. I recreated the redirect. I was pretty sure that the page title matched the redirect target and in fact AWB was telling me so. I was wrong. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
And that is a real problem with AWB I find - and why there is a caveat on it - see also below. Thanks for fixing. Michael Goodyear (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

AWB edits


When you use AWB, you need to make sure it is doing the right thing. You converted to double hyphen to an em dash in "2000s—2010s", where an en dash is needed, at this edit; please fix. Dicklyon (talk) 00:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Dicklyon thanks for the heads up. I fixed it. Please WP:BEBOLD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Obviously I could have just fixed it myself, but I thought it was more important to alert to not cause such problems. Dicklyon (talk) 01:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
But you fixed it wrong, putting in a hyphen here, where an en dash is needed. See MOS:DASH to get up to speed on such things if you're going to be editing them. Dicklyon (talk) 01:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

You also botched Laguna Beach, Florida pretty badly. If you can't figure out what you're doing wrong, revert back to where you started and leave it or try again. In this case, you started by mangling the URL to one that doesn't work. Dicklyon (talk) 01:14, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

If you actually look at that section and the URL it cites, you'll see it probably just a copyvio that needs to be removed. By mangling the URL you make it less likely that someone will ever notice and fix it. Dicklyon (talk) 01:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Consider focusing on quality of edits instead of quantity for a while? Dicklyon (talk) 05:44, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Dicklyon just to make clear: The edit to Laguna Beach, Florida was manual and I did not even use AWB. (Just to clarify against the section title).

Now, on the text: I checked and I saw that the vital info was added in August 2014. It was in my plans to check for copyvio but I did not bother further to be honest. I can't help in every single article I find copyvio or vandalism for a long time. I recently found this that was there for a month. I try to to reduce some backlogs. I appreciate your comments but you can also help by fixing the things you dod not like instead of only reverting me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:44, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I do plenty of constructive editing. My point here is that I your rapid editing is making as almost as many errros as fixing. Slow down and get it right, instead of making work for others. Please be sure and at least go back and fix the ones I pointed out. Dicklyon (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Dicklyon I think I fixed all of what you reported as soon as you reported them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)



You've been busy: [22]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1 Thanks for the appreciation! I hope it's because I became more active and not because those others editors became inactive. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Mags, when you have that many substantive edits, we're not really comparing you to others, but others to you! Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Yobot and underlinked tagging


Hi. Yobot tagged IFI27 around a year ago as underlinked, despite it containing a lot of links (keeping in consideration the size of the article). I'm not sure if this is an old issue that's been dealt with, and I couldn't find anything about underlinked tags on Yobot's userpage so I thought I'd bring it to your attention here. Thanks. Bosstopher (talk) 23:40, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Bosstopher Thanks for the heads up. It has already been fixed. No pages with {{PBB}} should be tagged as underlinked. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Strange edits by Yobot


I do not understand why Yobot is changing the quotes in a citation when the quotes were there in the source. See for this edit and the original article title with quotes here: case 1 and Case 2. The Banner talk 23:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

The Banner per MOS:QUOTEMARKS. Perhaps someone of my talk page stalkers can find a better reference for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Also MOS:QUOTE under "typographic conformity": "A quotation is not a facsimile, and in most cases it is not desirable to duplicate the original formatting. Formatting and other purely typographical elements of quoted text should be adapted to English Wikipedia's conventions without comment provided that doing so will not change or obscure the meaning of the text; this practice is universal among publishers. ... Styling of apostrophes and quotation marks – These should all be straight, not curly or slanted. See § Quotation marks, below. When quoting a quotation that itself contains a quotation, single quotes may be replaced with double quotes, and vice versa. See § Quotations within quotations, below." —BarrelProof (talk) 00:00, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I accept that but it looks like altering a quotation what is usually a nono. The Banner talk 00:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:PUNCT too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to this report I finally updated the AWB manual. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:12, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

At least the total outcome of this question is positive action.   The Banner talk 00:39, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Multiple issues

I would like to switch to Multiple issues template new format in all Wikipedias or at least to those that use the English name "Multiple issues" (9 projects: as, bn, km, ml, ms, ne, or, si, ta) according to wikidata:Q6450720.

@Magioladitis: I'm going to be on wikibreak through April 17. Let's catch up after that to discuss how I can help. GoingBatty (talk) 02:16, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

GoingBatty This is a (kind) reminder. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:11, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I already finished as, bn, km, ms, ne, or, si, ta. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:16, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

There is only 1 project left. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:00, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Park Yeon-mi


Why in the world do you think North Korean state media and a blog are reliable sources? --NeilN talk to me 09:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

NeilN they express the official position of North Korea. Moreover, 2 sources are English media. Why exactly are "bad sources"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
There is controversy and it's clear they were reactions for her statements. Why not mention this on the page? I do not get it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:54, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Replied here. --NeilN talk to me 09:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

re [23] while you provided two links, when making claims that someone is a "liar" [24] you need to provide actual high quality reliable sources WP:BLP / WP:RS. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

TheRedPenOfDoom The text I wrote does not call her liar. I quote exactly what the media wrote. I think if we remove euphemisms the sources claim she is a "liar". The word liar is only in the edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
WP:BLP applies to ALL content in ALL spaces, including edit summaries. and the links that you provided are not appropriate for supporting such claims or implications about a living person. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

The text I wrote after final revision Current version of 656878780 provide controversy in a neutral way. I do not like euphemisms. If a source claims that Parks is not telling the truth and a Korean association claims that she was paid to make her statements, then they call her liar. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

TheRedPenOfDoom I could remove the edit summary from my text if you think it's insulting for Park but the text is OK. I could re-submit with a different edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:11, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

1) You cannot remove an edit summary. You can ask an admin to remove it. 2) The content itself is still entirely unacceptable. You need to back such assertions by reliably published sources, those with a reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight. Not a reputation propaganda and personal opinions. WP:RS-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

TheRedPenOfDoom you claim that the official video by DPRK is not reliable to show DPRK's opinion on the matter? Moreover, thediplomat is not reliable? -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

i claim that any opinion they may express about a living person is an opinion that is unacceptable per WP:BLP. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

TheRedPenOfDoom I removed the edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:24, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

TheRedPenOfDoom The edit summary was a mistake. I am not known for writing good edit summaries. Sometimes summarising can miss the point. I think my text was neutral and had no opinion included. Still feel free to improve. I corrected my mistake by hiding the edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
the text was ENTIRELY opinions from non reliable sources. If you are going to continue editing about Park you need to quickly begin to understand and follow WP:BLP and WP:RS. We are not here to further your crusade to present someone as a liar. Our "neutral point of view" policy is to present the subject as they are presented and covered by the mainstream academics. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Any further discussion should be continue at Talk:Park Yeon-mi. I resumed discussion about complains on the neutrality of that page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:37, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not in any crusade. My very first edit summary in the page says that "yet another ref that shows that the story may be not true" trying to cover the NPOV tag in the page and the many complains in the talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Final warning


You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory or otherwise controversial content into an article or any other Wikipedia page.

You have been told that WP:BLP applies to all wikipedia space and that controversial claims require the highest quality reliable sources . Restoring inappropriate claims from inappropriate sources as you did [25] is not acceptable. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:16, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, according to you so I am not allowed to present links I found not even in talk page, as evidence to build a better article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Two out of four references/links I provided and you deleted were already present in talk page since December 2014 by other editors. Still you only gave my a "final warning" and you reverted only my edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi, Magioladitis. I was asked to take a look at this. Thanks for removing that edit summary. But BLP applies to talkpages also, and statements like "I think X is a liar" could get Wikipedia in legal trouble. Also defamatory quotes from non-reliable sources. Please remove anything like that from article talk. (I don't mean revdel, which is in any case very clumsy for removing text as I'm sure you know, but just blank it from article talk with a [removed] note or something like that.) Bishonen | talk 17:39, 17 April 2015 (UTC).
Bishonen thanks for the advice. Some parts of what I wrote were written by mistake and I have fixed them already. I'll finish the job but if if you see anything I missed feel free to tell me. -- Magioladitis (talk)
There are still problems on the talkpage, including the bit I quoted. Would you like me to remove them? Bishonen | talk 14:10, 18 April 2015 (UTC).
Bishonen check again and tell me if there still problems. I was typing too fast in 2 similar discussions. Feel free to replace some of my text with [removed] if necessary. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:41, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I did remove a bit more (also in a post by Neil). Please see what you think. Bishonen | talk 14:58, 18 April 2015 (UTC).
Bishonen OK thanks for coming in help in this one. I do not like drama and somehow I sometimes participate in it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Lawn Farm


Hi, I am not sure if I am doing this correctly. I would like to know the exact location of Lawn Farm. Does anyone know? 6km south of NN seems to be Boyer. Do you know anything about this Farm? I am researching Degraves family.----AnneAlphabet — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnneAlphabet (talkcontribs) 01:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

AnneAlphabet you better ask at WP:VILLAGEPUMP. I am no help with that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)



Hello, I'm Mansour JE mjesfahani, could you please explain wikigrain to me? Is it related to to wikipedia?

MansourJE (talk) 13:58, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't. I do not know what this is. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)



WP:Pinging someone like this won't work. You have to ping and sign in the same edit for the notification system to pick it up.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:53, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

JohnBlackburne I suck :) Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Re: my proposal at ANI


I trusted you have no objection to it, but if you do, please let me know. Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Ncmvocalist no I do not. No reason to pose a new ban to Kumioko. I am trying to save OZ from the block in fact. I think User:HJ Mitchell made it clear the comments were disruptive and we need a different approach when it comes to people. I also agree that OZ need to take same days off. PS Ofcourse I meant to undo and not to rollback. I hope this is clear. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry I wasn't clear; "my proposal" referred solely to what I said in respect of your rollback use and apology to OZ? If you can apologise to OZ for inadvertantly suggesting to him he is a vandal, that leaves far fewer issues to resolve I think. Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Ncmvocalist thanks. I have not noticed this was part of the discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I have checked that you acknowledged the rollback. But I really don't know why you said "If you keep disruptive editing I'll block you from editing". I have doubts over that, I made 2 reverts, you made 2, Bgwhite made 3. I do think I should close this proposal, because these proposals take long to close and I really don't have any time for them right now. I will discuss more about other things. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 15:14, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
As I said: "If you continue..." Not only there. In the entire project I mean. You should avoid disruptive editing. Many admins told you to relax. WP:CALM. Bgwhite took a week off. Consider avoiding interaction for a few days. You may not see it but you seem stressed to prove something which the other do not see it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I spend my day editing here, in many other Wikipedias, in Wikidata, in programming for AWB, preparing talk about Wikipedia, so please let me productive again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Find me one disruptive edit? There has to be one, much before you claim that there is any, they would've blocked if there was any or explicitly warned. Another thing is that it is best if you ignore any feuds. It is actually amazing that we are having some kind of conflict, isn't it? Knowing that we worked a lot together and indeed appreciated each others efforts. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 15:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
That's why I do not want you to get blocked. I made clear in every possible way. You 've been blocked twice so far in less than 1 week. Interdependently, if you think the blocks were justified or not. You may be right about the IPs, the SPIs, the socks, I do not what. But with the way you do things lately you do not help. We are a community and the first thing is to work together. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Both blocks were unwarranted, no admins have agreed to them. Systematically they don't have any sound and if they are making sound then they can be addressed elsewhere. All I am saying is that, if we can avoid any inch of conflict in future unless we both share 100% involvement. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 15:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
You had been asked above not to participate on similar areas unless there is some involvement. Yet you repeated it now there was no need of this comment, nothing concerned you, yet you commented like the block was made by you, or you were the one who got blocked or you had any strong involvement. You have not only misrepresented the actuality but also pinged others. You have never edited this talk page, neither you were called. Would you stop it? OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog)

Thank you


I'm impressed! You only spent a quarter of an hour for fixing the problem in that cute way where I needed two days just to logon to Wikipedia again to thank you. Dankeschön! --Cyfal (talk) 19:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Cyfal Bitteschön! Ganz einfach! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I am also impressed, by your bot performing this. Dankeschön! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Anytime! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Deleted "Dead reference" template

You closed a template for deletion (Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 May 12#Template:Dead reference) as "delete". I am exploring options and any help you can give would be appreciated. I have been using the [dead link] template, as I have seen many do, for a long time and just recently discovered that Wikipedia:Dead link redirects to WP:Link rot. This how-to guide, with all of its shortcuts, explains "Like most large websites, Wikipedia suffers from the phenomenon known as link rot, where external links, often used as references and citations...". Keeping dead links section explains "Placing [dead link] auto-categorizes the article into Articles with dead external links project category, and into specific monthly date range category based on |date= parameter.". This causes me to have concerns on the current issue of dead references and any attempted cleanup process. There is:
  • Category:Articles lacking sources (that does provide additional resources) with the templates Unreferenced and Verifiability,
  • Category:Articles lacking reliable references with the templates Primary sources and Verify credibility,
  • Category:Articles needing additional references with the templates Refimprove and One source,
  • Category:Articles with unsourced statements with the templates [citation needed] or [failed verification] and there is,
I realize that then consensus was for deletion but it seems to me that the tag not only has a place it would stop tagged dead reference links from being placed in an external links category.
If you don't mind I would appreciate your input as to if this tag can have a use better than dead (reference) links being placed under "External links". Otr500 (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Otr500 is this that maybe be looking for Template:Citations broken? -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
The issue to me is that, at present, the dead link tag is primarily (a slight mention to references) for external links (see above), and likewise for the categories that result, whereas {{Deadref}} is certainly for references.
The Template:Citations broken looks good, as for as listing there is a problem and certainly with "This article uses citations that link to broken or outdated sources". but the template explains:
As it stands now a "dead link" tag is de facto authority to leave what is likely, or could be, a bogus references. All the information states to pretty much leave it alone for 24 months and then don't do maintenance, certainly don't remove it, but go find a replaceable source.
    • "Articles with citations that are broken because the external links are defunct or outdated, belong in this category. Use {{Citations broken}} to add an article to this category.". Otr500 (talk) 12:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I was just seeking input from you. I guess I will pass this at the template project as it seems to me, in light of the information, that a "Dead reference" tag (shortcut: :deadref") is important and does have a use and reason to exist. I will seek other comments. Thanks, Otr500 (talk) 20:41, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Otr500 Yes, please. Open a wider discussion. I open to suggestions! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Cool--have a nice day. Otr500 (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/B-bot


Hi Magioladitis, I was hoping I could get a review of my proposal at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/B-bot. The purpose of the bot is to tag orphaned fair use images with {{subst:orfud}}. I have completed my code and tested it. And there is a backlog of orphaned fair use images that continues to grow and requires the tedium of manual (or semi-automated with AWB) tagging currently. Thanks. --B (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Answered there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)



It was a setting under "list" which I don't remember seeing before. I deleted the bug report before I saw your message, but I got notified of it... All the best: Rich Farmbrough23:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC).

Nobots uses

Hi Magioladitis. In regards to your information about the way {{nobots}} works, I conducted an analysis of how the template is used. User:B/Analysis of uses of nobots contains my data. I found the following:

  • There are very few (seven total that I saw) uses of {{nobots}} with a parameter.
  • There are a few that seem to have {{nobots}} and {{bots}} both. A few of these are just where one or the other is used in a comment, but others look like the user's intention is actually to use the template.
  • There are a large number of places that {{nobots}} is reported to be used, but I cannot find it on the page. The vast majority of these are where it is being transcluded via the {{deceased Wikipedian}} template.

All of this I think is worth noting, possibly with an eye towards improving the documentation at {{bots}}. Most interesting to me was the third item on my list, which I had not even considered and none of the example code segments at {{bots}} seem to consider - we aren't looking to see if the template is indirectly transcluded. It's probably impractical to look for the templates on all transcluded templates, but it may be worth modifying the recommended practice to look for {{deceased Wikipedian}} directly on the page and treat that as {{nobots}}.

Also worth noting is that if someone has a conversation about the template and they use <nowiki>{{nobots}}</nowiki>, etc, in a conversation, the regex examples are going to mistake that template for the real thing because they are not looking for whether or not it is enclosed in nowiki tags. --B (talk) 20:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

B Wow. Thanks for the info. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Yobot removed portals


Why did Yobot remove the portals from the Gush Etzion article in this edit? Debresser (talk) 21:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Debresser: It didn't. It moved them from External links to See also, per WP:P#How to add portal links to articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:27, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Redrose64 thanks for the reply! -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
How did I miss that?? Thanks for the reply. By the way, now that you have pointed me to that guideline. What if there is no See also section? I'll open a discussion on the talkpage there, to add some instruction for such a case. Debresser (talk) 08:41, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Debresser in such case AWB won't move the portal template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:43, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
That is good, but I mean in general. I opened a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Portal#Location_on_articles. Debresser (talk) 08:46, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Debresser Thanks. Yes, I got that. Just in case someone asks what AWB would do. Please inform me if for some reason the consensus changes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

B. of Toro


Hi Magioladitis. Thanks for your work (ISBNs). Hispanicultur (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Anytime. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:25, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Mass killings under Communist regimes


Hi, Magioladitis:

I ran into an article that only administrators can edit: Mass killings under Communist regimes.

The bad ISBN is 0-08050-7461-9 in citation #90. The correct ISBN is 978-0-8050-7461-1.

Would you please be so kind and make the change? Thanks. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 04:32, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Knife-in-the-drawer Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:25, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

page / pages


See this edit. I don't understand. You complain that "page" and "pages" should not simultaneously be in the same template ... but YOU are the one who just added "page" in the very same edit!! What's going on??? --Steve (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Steve I did not. I removed one of the two parameters to cleanup. Do I miss something? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Oops I read it backwards and confused the previous and new version. :-P SORRY! --Steve (talk) 13:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
No worries. I thought I screw up ... again and I was about to load 500 pages to fix them :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:22, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

#72 isbn

@Knife-in-the-drawer: Magioladitis, yes a fresh listing on the checkwiki web page should happen this month. I was off wiki last month and didn't start it. Updated listings always happen via the dump pages. I have updated the page at Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/072 dump. How many times an article is listed, is the number of ISBN errors in the article. Another listing is at User:Bgwhite/Sandbox1. Bgwhite (talk) 05:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

An AutoEd edit creating two problems

In this edit:

  • note the typo in the template name unorderd list
  • if a parameter contains = then it is split into two parts, the first being read as parameter name, the second as parameter value - in other words, the software sees a parameter named '''tangent basis vectors''' ('''<span style with value "color:orange;">yellow ... etc.

Please check other edits that you may have done -- (talk) 20:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC) Could you report the template typo at Wikipedia talk:AutoEd so they can fix it in AutoEd's code. I'm not understanding your 2nd issue... where is it in the diff that you gave? Bgwhite (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Most probably my typo. I did the edit semi-automatically. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/B-bot

If you have time, Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/B-bot. --B (talk) 21:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Something that I'm hoping to add in (relatively) short order is a process that will re-purge all of the pages the night before images are due to be deleted and remove the orfud tag from anything that is no longer orphaned. While this won't help of the case of vandalism that goes unnoticed for seven days, it will help prevent accidental deletions where the deleting admin doesn't notice that the image is in use now or where the image links are not showing up correctly. It will also speed things up because the admin doesn't have to manually remove the tag. --B (talk) 22:58, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Here is a case of exactly what we were talking about: Atlantis Found (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch. A user uploaded a copyvio image and replaced the fair use File:Atlantis Found novel cover.jpg with it. The copyvio image was deleted on Commons and a bot commented it out. But nobody involved in the process put the free image back. So this is a problem whether a human or a bot does the tagging. You basically have to happen to notice that the image is a book cover and wonder why that would be orphaned when the article about the book is not a redlink. I usually check oddities like that out when I'm the one deleting, although I don't know that everyone does or that I'm perfect about doing it. The best solution would be if, as you said, we had something like the reference rescue bot that follows the Commons delinking bot around to see if there used to be another image present that was replaced with the now deleted image. --B (talk) 23:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

B perfect. I had the same idea last night. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Persondata RfC

Hi, You participated in the previous Persondata RfC. I just wanted to notify you that a new RfC regarding the methodical removal of Persondata is taking place at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Thanks, —Msmarmalade (talk) 07:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Magio. I left a comment for you here. --Meno25 (talk) 14:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

An old Yobot "whoops!"


Hi M,

Just noticed and undid this edit by Yobot. Not a serious one, but it may be worth keeping an eye out in case something similar's happened elsewhere. Losing a TV game show doesn't mean the game show is connected to the series "Lost"! :) Grutness...wha? 15:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Grutness Haha. Thanks. I turns that the tmplate has been repurposed. I 'll update my script! -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Grutness Fixed just right now. Nice catch. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:16, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Cheers :) Grutness...wha? 01:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

My RfA

Pavlov's RfA reward

Thank for !voting at my recent RfA. You voted Support so you get a whopping three cookies, fresh from the oven!
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC).

AWB 5700

Since source forge is presently outdated, do you have a version of AWB 5700 in zip format that you could email me? If so, please feel free to do so if you'd like. North America1000 07:09, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yobot issue on Operation Petticoat


Hi, Yobot has broken Operation Petticoat twice now, I only just noticed it was a bot hence I didn't report the first time. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 12:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

KylieTastic thanks! I fixed it. There was an invisible character inside the filename. I fixed the filename. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks :) KylieTastic (talk) 13:01, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot changes of citation style

Would you please consider adding some code to your bot so that it will not change the citation style of pages having a BB style template in the References section. This would be along the lines of robot.txt which causes bots to avoid pages with that metatag. Thank you. PraeceptorIP (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

PraeceptorIP where did my bot change the bot style? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't change the bot style; it changes the citation style.
Please see comments of Bgwhite (talk and GregJackP on User talk:PraeceptorIP at the bottom of that Talk page. There are other prior discussions of this issue that GregJackP can cite to you, on other Talk pages. The problem, among others, is that the bot changes BlueBook style to abcde... citation style and in doing so messes up the page cites (pinpoint cites) when it does so in legal articles. (I don't have the cites to the prior Talk page discussions.)
I understand that the problem occurs particularly if a passing editor adds a refpage cite to a page otherwise in BB style. Thank you. PraeceptorIP (talk) 19:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
PraeceptorIP wasn't too clear... Also it's not "bot", it is AWB. AWB is not changing citation style per se. AWB is combining refs if there is a <ref name=""> found. Blue Book does not have combined refs. I've explained to them in the past if there are no <ref name="">, then AWB won't combine the refs. However, they are worried if another editor adds a named ref, then AWB will combine all the refs. They have created the {{BBstyle}} template. They want AWB not to combine refs if the BBstyle template is found. Bgwhite (talk) 19:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Rjwilmsi: -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry for the lack of clarity as to the problem. Let me give you an example to illustrate the problem that I and User:GregJackP have tried to communicate. This may be a "poster child" example of how legally inexperienced editors can butcher a case write-up. Please refer to DDR Holdings, LLC v.
  • This article started out with its citations in a version of Bluebook style (it seems to be a British version rather than the US version, since it gave full reporter cites each time instead of just at the beginning and then after that only "at" cites). But the point is that the article originally gave the page cites for each quotation of the opinion or statement of fact summarized from the opinion. That way, a reader knows where to go in the opinion to find the source of the statement. It is standard legal practice to give that information, not just Bluebook style but in all legal writings, including court opinions.
  • This continued until March 1, 2015, when an uninformed, non-legally trained editor (or his bot) made a number of what he considered improvements. He removed all the page cites and replaced them with a ref cite, so that it was no longer possible to view (and check) the pages alleged to support the text. This is what the result is: "2. a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa ab ac ad af CAFC. DDR Holdings, LLC v., 773 F.3d 1245, 1259 (Fed. Cir. 2014)" (as of 3/1/15). This is equivalent to vandalization of the article. It removes a large quantity of important information and makes it difficult or impossible for a user to go to the source (the court opinion) to verify a statement or look for amplification.
  • Our concern is that when we write an article in Bluebook style (as the Wikipedia rules allow), a bot or AWB may come along and turn the set of citations that are in the format -- 203 F.3d at 456, or DDR Holdings, 773 F.3d at 678 -- into a mess like footnote 2. quoted above. As indicated earlier in this thread, that can occur if anyone comes along and adds to the article a cite with a refname.
  • Using the analogy of robots.txt (see Robots exclusion standard), we would like to see a line of code put into the bot or bots that convert Bluebook cited pages (for example, pages that have the {{Bluebook}} or {{BBstyle}} markers) into pages with abcdefgh... style citations, that tells the bot (or AWB) to let the page alone and go about its business elsewhere. Or if not that, some other way to prevent what we perceive as vandalization of legal articles on which we have spent considerable effort.
(talk page watcher) @PraeceptorIP: Looking at the article history, it appears that the article was created on March 1, and then a user (not a bot) combined the references the same day, explaining their edit on Talk:DDR Holdings v. I can understand why you are concerned about that change in citation style. Since that change was not reverted, AWB is trying to make the citation style within the article consistent. Instead of asking the AWB developers to change the software (and instead of disparaging a well-meaning editor behind their back) I suggest you invite the editor to discuss the edit on Talk:DDR Holdings v., agree on a consistent citation style for this article, and then make the appropriate changes to implement that style. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:48, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
OK. PraeceptorIP (talk)
Those who have been following this discussion are invited to look at Talk:DDR Holdings v. - PraeceptorIP (talk) 03:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

inactive -> unapproved ?

This change moved my bots into the category of unapproved bots, yet they still have approval; they just aren't active. No? –xenotalk 10:12, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

xeno I moved to unapproved every bot that has no flag at the moment. I had similar thought about the correct wording. Perhaps we should change the wording. Anyone who had approval can regain it by just requesting it. In the case of the interwiki bots there is was no similar problem because interwiki bots are really not approved to run anymore. Thoughts? -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:15, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Maybe split to "unapproved" and "unflagged" (or "temporarily retired"?) -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
xeno I ll be on IRC channels for the next 60 minutes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:18, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Ofcourse your bots are only inactive and they have community approval. Somehow, we have to make clear to the other bot owners that they have to request a re-activation of their bot whenever they want. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:29, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
What about deflagged? Unflagged doesn't really work because some bots are not flagged by design. –xenotalk 10:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
xeno yes, that's a good solution. I hope I won't be the one to check every bot account :) I already spent two days re-organising the bot accounts for good. I discovered a lot of peculiarities. After we deflag the interwikis bots (Which actually do not have any approval anymore), we can work on the remaining bot accounts and expand the categorisation. What do you think? -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:52, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

page move request


the 'infobox secondary school' has been merged with 'infobox school'. the convention for the talk pages for the merged templates is to make them archive subpages. unfortunately, there was inconsistency with the naming. I have sorted this out, but need an admin to move some pages.

thank you. once this is done, we will need to change the counter in the "User:MiszaBot/config" from 14 to 5, but otherwise things should be fine. Frietjes (talk) 13:47, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:50, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
thank you! if you want, you can delete the redirect pages: template talk:Infobox school/Archive 7, template talk:Infobox school/Archive 8, template talk:Infobox school/Archive 9, template talk:Infobox school/Archive 10. or, we can leave them and just let the bot overwrite them over time. thank you again. Frietjes (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes done. What about Template talk:Infobox school/Archive School2? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:57, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

that one is the old talk archive for {{infobox School2}}. Frietjes (talk) 14:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
if you want, you can delete these redirects. none of them have incoming links. Frietjes (talk) 14:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes done. Magioladitis (talk) 14:10, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot optout

FYI, this edit wasn't correct with respect to the "AnomieBOT-OrphanReferenceFixer". It has to be in {{bots|optout=}} to be recognized. Anomie 22:17, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Anomie thanks. I did not know that. Feel free to fix it. Next time I ll be correct. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:21, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


It didn't work because I borked it up the first time and apparently didn't fix it properly! I put a botreq for this problem here: wp:BOTREQ#PingBot. Thanks for the speedy approval :) –xenotalk 23:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day

  Happy First Edit Day, Magioladitis, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Anastasia [Missionedit] (talk) 04:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

See also/Also template

Say, Magioladitis,

is there any reason why you prefer the "See also" template over the "Also"?

Personally, given that they seem to have the same effect, I prefer the shorter "also" version, but this may just be a personal preference. And I'd rather avoid souring what pleasant and civil collaborations there are on wikipedia.

MinorStoop (talk) 19:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

MinorStoop Hi! No particular reason. See also is the main template and its title matches the see also section naming too. Other than that I have no strong feelings about the template naming that's why I reverted my second edit back. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi again. It's actually unimportant; I'm not going to raise the question again. I asked to have all my letters properly dotted and crossed; easier to work with other people this way. Thanks! MinorStoop (talk) 20:11, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Jeez, thanks! Had occasion to interact with an editor who clearly had never heard of "civility", and I'd rather avoid a repeat. MinorStoop (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Yobot breaks markup


Why does it remove <small> markup (such as here)? I think, if there is a more appropriate wiki-markup for small caps ({{smallcaps}} would not work, since the text will be copied wrongly), the bot should convert such uses to that, but otherwise it should not break the formatting. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 20:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Mikhail Ryazanov The reason the bot removed the small tag is because they were in image captions. The caption already produces small text and adding a small tags goes against MOS. This happens all the time. There are exceptions to every rule. I'm not a chemistry expert, but adding {{smallcaps}} appears to be appropriate in this case. Bgwhite (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
As I said, with {{smallcaps}}, "D-something" will be copied as "d-something", which has a different meaning. I can understand why <small> could be removed when it encloses the whole caption, but why the bot should mess with such complicated formatting? By the way, could you please explain the "goes against MOS" statement? The only thing I found (WP:CAPFRAG) says: "The text of captions should not be specially formatted (with italics, for example), except in ways that would apply if it occurred in the main text." — which is exactly the case here. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 20:38, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Mikhail Ryazanov, Bgwhite I did this which will prevent the bot of changing the caption BUT, just for reference:

  1. I see no difference in my screen
  2. Smaller letters cause accessibility problems.

-- Magioladitis (talk) 20:28, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I see a difference between the two. However... On Firefox, I can really notice the difference, while on Chrome, it's hard to notice a difference. There's another image that needs the template. Bgwhite (talk) 20:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
According to {{small}}'s documentation, it simply scales the font to 85%, regardless of the x-height of the actual font. In principle, <small> is not better in this respect, so I'm wondering whether we have a good mechanism to render small caps at the correct size. But, in any case, Yobot could at least replace <small> with {{small}} instead of completely removing it. (And, in general, how to stop Yobot from messing with manual markup when it is required?) — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Mikhail Ryazanov 99.9% of the time, the small tags should be removed. Per MOS (see bottom of section), text should not go below 85%. This is done for accessibility reasons. Text in images is already smaller. Reducing it yet again by 85% would take it below the 85% threshold. Replacing <small> with {{small}} still violates MOS. Majority of cases I've seen do not have all the caption in small tags, but a large chunk. For some reason, people do an explanation in regular size, but the legend in small size.
Yobot and all other AWB based bots won't remove the {{Smallcaps}} or {{small}} templates. Bgwhite (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
When you say "99.9%", it would be nice to see the actual statistics and examples. :–)
Regarding the 85% size requirement from that MOS, it seems that it was written by somebody without sufficient knowledge, or maybe just oversimplified (if they actually meant the sentence font size), because following these "rules" strictly would prohibit any use of mathematical or chemical notation with super- and subscripts in captions and footnotes. Moreover, the default WP skin ("Vector") uses 80% font size for footnote marks (the bracketed superscript numbers created by <ref>), which is already below those 85% even in the article text and reduces further in other cases (for example, to 9.85px in infoboxes). However, in my opinion, this is not an accessibility issue, since people with accessibility problems either use a screen reader (which does not care about the font size) or apply their own styles with font sizes as large as they want; the only problem for them (and everyone else who uses non-standard styles) is when hardcoded absolute sizes are used. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 11:58, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Mikhail Ryazanov I get less complains about my bot as time passes, so do not hesitate to contact me when you think Yobot messes with markup. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)



Hi, I should search for external links with AWB, is it possibile? Because if I use Special:LinkSearch I don't will obtain a raw output of articles, but I need a simple list. Or maybe, if AWB hasn't the link search do you know any external tool? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide. --The Polish (talk) 21:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I have another question, if I have a table of changes to do, for ex.
broken link fixed link
... ...
is possible to import it to AWB, bacause manually copy and paste is so slow because I have to fix more than 800 unique links. Bye. --The Polish (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

The Polish I do not know about the first one. About the second one: These changes are possible using regular expressions in Normal Find & Replace. @GoingBatty: could you help with more detailed instructions. I am still in wikibreak. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:29, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

@The Polish: Batty is also on wikibreak. Find: staticresults\/(\d\d\d\d)(\d*)\.htm Replace: db/results.php?Season=$1&CID=$2 Bgwhite (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: thank you. --The Polish (talk) 21:15, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
@The Polish: You could also Find: staticresults\/(\d{4})(\d*)\.htm to get the same results. GoingBatty (talk) 23:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: Yes I know. Thanks. --The Polish (talk) 13:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 3 August

  Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that some edits performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. They are as follows:

Please check these pages and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Alzheimer's disease


Could you please clarify why you changed one instance of {{vcite journal}} to {{cite journal}} at Alzheimer's disease? It appears contrary to wp:CITEVAR. If routine, perhaps a clearer edit comment would be helpful. LeadSongDog come howl! 03:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @LeadSongDog: It appears it was one instance of {{vcite2 journal}} changed to {{cite journal}}, per Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Monkbot 8.
@Trappist the monk: You may want to update the documentation at {{vcite2 journal}} to explain why you (and others) are converting these templates. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
@GoingBatty:Thanks, but the edit changed one instance of vcite2 to cite, while the rest of the article uses vcite, not cite. The edit comment "m (clean up using AWB (11350))" is at best opaque to other editors. LeadSongDog come howl! 04:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Not quite true. From the Alzheimer's disease Edit source page and the 'Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page' list, this: {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite press release}}, and {{cite web}}. {{vcite journal}} is used 236 times and the cs1 templates are used 75 times.
Trappist the monk (talk) 09:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Trappist the monk I did not understand your comment exactly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Editor LeadSongDog wrote that [your edit] changed one instance of vcite2 to cite, while the rest of the article uses vcite, not cite. There are 236 instances of vcite templates and 75 instances of cs1 templates so the claim that Alzheimer's disease uses vcite templates exclusively, is not supported by the facts.
Trappist the monk (talk) 11:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

LeadSongDog cite journal now supports |vauthors= so there was no change of style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

The documentation reads: "this template is identical to {{cite journal}}. Both are based on Module:Citation/CS1 and use identical parameters. The only difference is in how the authors are rendered." The last difference now has been altered since now {{cite journal}} supports |vauthors=. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

ah, looking at the history it begins to come clear. Instances of cite journal vice vcite journal have been accumulating (from 13 to 21 since 1 Jan). The rendering of cite journal differs from vcite journal, so they should not be mixed in a featured article. This edit only confused matters, but at least it drew attention to the problem, so I suppose I should say thank you. What should happen is that edits move toward a consistent use of the prevailing style, which for this article is vcite journal (not that I like it, I don't). LeadSongDog come howl! 14:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)



Is Magioladitistu (talk · contribs) an WP:IMPERSONATOR? If so, you might like to block. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:39, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Redrose64 it is not me. I blocked the account. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Papal Seminary

Dear Magioladitis, I'm Sdpaul90, i am a new user to wiki. Recently I edited the page Papal Seminary Pune. The older version of this page and it's content is not authentic. and what i have uploaded is from a published article. so it's authentic. even the emblem of older version and many more things are not authentic. I would like to give what is authentic to the readers. Kindly help me. looking forward for your assistance.

sdpaul90 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:56, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Merging Expert-subject tags


Hi Magioladitis! In this edit, you indicated that AWB now "Merges {{Expert-subject}} tags". However, when I run articles such as Daniel Laemouahuma Jatta and Esko Laine through AWB SVN 11370, it does not merge the tags. Was my recent bug report resolved by simply not having AWB incorrectly remove one of the {{Expert-subject}} tags, or was there really code added to combine the tags? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

GoingBatty you are right. Fixed description. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Hanoch Yaakobi replacement



I'm trying to understand what did Yobot replace here. I just see regular spaces in the hex editor, but there must be something different. Can you please explain? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 05:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Amire80 It's an invisible control character. This has slightly more info. This is the tool several of use to "see" them. Bgwhite (talk) 06:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite. Thanks. I'm familiar with Richard Ishida's tools, and I can only see usual spaces there (ASCII 20). So what happened there? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:49, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Amire80 Using the tool, this is what happens:
In 1934 he immigrated to Palestine as part of the&#x00A0;[[Fifth Aliyah]] as a viola player in the Jerusalem string quartet formed in Jerusalem by [[Emil Hauser]]. He was one of the founders of a conservatory that later became the&#x00A0;[[Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance]]. He taught violin, viola, music theory, and composition there, and was also its head from 1954 until 1958. During the same years he was also first viola player in the&#x00A0;[[Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra]] and often conducted it.
Look in the "Hexadecimal NCRs" or "Unicode U+hex notation" windows. &#x00A0 or U+00A0 corresponds to a Non-breaking space. Bgwhite (talk) 09:17, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, let's do this slowly and step-by-step:
When I do the above, I get the following in "Hexadecimal NCRs":
In 1934 he immigrated to Palestine as part of the [[Fifth Aliyah]] as a viola player in the Jerusalem string quartet formed in Jerusalem by [[Emil Hauser]]. He was one of the founders of a conservatory that later became the [[Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance]]. He taught violin, viola, music theory, and composition there, and was also its head from 1954 until 1958. During the same years he was also first viola player in the [[Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra]] and often conducted it.
Should I do something different? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:31, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
It's browser-dependent. I assume that you use Firefox: that has an annoying habit of converting some characters so that what you copypaste from the edit box isn't what was in the page source that was served to you. So non-encoded non-breaking spaces become ordinary spaces. Try using Opera; you should then see what Bgwhite described at 09:17, 9 August 2015. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:54, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thanks for this post about Firefox. This helps me understand another related issue I was having. GoingBatty (talk) 14:05, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
I use Chrome, which uses the same back end as Opera. Yes, thank you Redrose. I too didn't know about that. Bgwhite (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

@Amire80, Bgwhite, and GoingBatty: the Firefox bug is really old and it was the reason I started dealing with these characters. I spent a lot of time myself in the past trying to figure out where the characters were. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Shinjin RC420TP Korean Interwiki Link Issues


Is there any reason why these two Korean Wikipedia source needed to be removed from the list in the Shinjin RC420TP bus section as shown at ? Rjluna2 (talk) 23:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Rjluna2 I removed them because they were not exactly "external links" and wikipedia can't be used as a reference to itself. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Yobot's recent edit


Yo! Your Yobot is duplicating some code: [26]. Probably it got lost because I wrote the template's name in all-lowercase. If you make your check case-insensitive, you'll probably get rid of this problem. —capmo (talk) 01:26, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

capmo Thanks for the report. The second template was generated because it replaced the category named "Disambiguation pages". This category should not be added directly in pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I see. That category was added by the new article translation tool which I was experimenting with. Note that the Portuguese page does not have a "Categoria:Desambiguação" in its code, either. Categorization there is done by the {{Desambiguação}} template just like here, and hence, the translation tool should have left that category out. Thanks for the cleanup. —capmo (talk) 06:17, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
capmo Aha. Thanks fo the heads up. I ll report the bug to the Content Translation bugs' page. Good to know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yobot replaced = with {{=}} in a template parameter


Hi, Yobot seems to have damaged a parameter of a Taxobox template, see [27]. The edit summary was "avoid triggering unbalanced header warning, replaced: = ''[[ → {{=}} ''[[ using [[Project:AWB|AWB]] (10538)". Can you look into this? Thanks.

Prot D (talk) 10:22, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Prot D thanks for the heads up. I fixed the page in question. I did not find any other. The bot edit was in December 2014. The code was been fixed since then. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:31, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Article "André Desrochers"


Hi, I wish to inform you that this article was orphaned but not anymore now with an article that is related to it: Regroupement QuébecOiseaux. Please, remove the following template: {{Orphan | date = August 2015}} Thank you for your cooperation.

--Stefanos Stefanos (talk) 00:42, 15 August 2015 (UTC)Stefanos Stefanos

your question


Hi Magioladitis, what is your question about? I haven't made an account, I just edit things. Every now and then my number changes, but I am not changing it. Could you explain what are you asking? (talk) 01:32, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi again, I haven't got an account. My number changes on its own. Why is it important, can you let me know? I've never had any trouble making wikipedia edits. (talk) 13:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, that was kind of you. (talk) 14:38, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

  Cheeseburgers are unhealthy, eat in moderation BardiaSaeedi (talk) 03:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

BardiaSaeedi Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


The bot job we are talking about has made changes to at least half a dozen pages I watch in the last 24 hours. Most of the chages are minor, and do not affect visual output. However I question if a bot should be doing that if it is not making a substancial change.

That aside, I undestood that a bot should keep a log of its changes and be able to unwind edits, so I do not see this as running another bot job but a bot cleanup up mistakes it has made. -- PBS (talk) 10:28, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

PBS Yes, I understand and I would agree with your approach if I knew that the pages were no more than, let's say 500.

Since keeping logs of changes for bots making thousand of edits is not that easy:

  1. Creating a new list of all pages that have the problem and running a new bot task reverting the change sound much easier and won't affect any othr changes done by the bot.
  2. There is a small chance that we are wrong and Basilicofresco gains consensus. A quick reference won't harm.

I follow Frescobot's change and I have not seen this fix last month. I have noticed the change 11 hours ago when I watched this edit. I emailed Bgwhite and then I was planning to check the bot tasks to see whether this was agreed. I would have acted faster if I have noticed that it affects the visual output. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

PBS I know that the thing delays but I think it's the only way we fix this properly. I think the damage is not that huge and:

  • If the Mediawiki guys says they have to fix this we won't have to run the bot
  • If FrescoBot runs instead of undoing their edits but changing all wikilinks with apostrophe s then we are winning again. Recall that by the end of the month there will be a new database dump and then other bots can help fixing this the fastest way possible.

Best, Magioladitis (talk) 16:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

PBS we already have a reply in phab:T109450. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The reply linked to T16655 where the argument was put forward that "apostrophe s" can also be short for "is" as in "Brian's going to the pub". That is not a problem on Wikipdia in the narrative voice of an article (as that would be strongly discouraged in encyclopaedia text), but it might be a problem in quotes and on other wiki's such as Wikisource. -- PBS (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Peace Talks, upcoming Dresden Files book?


I'm yet again to bother you for a suggestion.

It's been a number of months that people add "Peace Talks" as the next title of Jim Butcher's The Dresden Files, on the basis of this highly unreliable and utterly non-notable reference. I've always reverted the edit, littering the relevant pages with a hidden request not to add it until there is something better.

This editor is just the last of the line, with a different enough slant to the wording to make me wonder whether I did well in reverting it yet again - (s)he did not state that Peace Talks will be published, but that there is a reference who says that the book will. We can't therefore point out that unreliability of the reference (whichever policy/guideline is that), but we can affirm the non-notability of it (I believe). I'm unsure about the policy about future predictions (crystal ball, or however it is named).

I wonder whether we can keep this announcement the way Momofpeanut wrote it, or change the frasing, or keep it out altogether as non-notable. I can do, if you've got the time to spare, with a different opinion.

Thsnks, MinorStoop (talk) 09:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Flagged to Introduce Links?


Yobot notes that The City Reliquary page is an orphan without other articles linking to it. What should I do to fix this? Scelentano81 (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Scelentano81: As it says at the top, "Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find link tool for suggestions." --Redrose64 (talk) 18:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks!Scelentano81 (talk) 18:35, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Reverting the 's

Hi! Since I have no choice, I analyzed the articles I should revert in order to find out the best approach and I wish to know your opinion about the results: User:FrescoBot/revert of 's outside the link. As you can see, about 80% of the pages had a 's positioning style not consistent before the FrescoBot fix. It is exceedingly difficult to revert just the changed 's and at the same time "preserve" the inconsistency within each article. Moreover since the style inconsistency inside one article according to the mos is not a good thing, I'm planning to revert the bot edit just on the pages where all the 's were inside the link. It is feasible and much more reasonable than a full revert. What do you think? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 21:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Basilicofresco as I have implied before: Just do the less noise possible. I do not agree with a full revert anyway. I endorse your idea. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Please stop


Re here You have hundreds of such edits. Is there some way that this isn't a purely cosmetic edit? —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Koavf per instructions in many templates documentation and per Category:United States articles with deprecated tags all these templates are deprecated in favour of WPUS which allows multiple parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks If this is in the documentation, then this is helpful. I appreciate your swift response. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:20, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

DC AWB edits


Hi. Your recent edits to D.C. related category talk pages is not working. See here, here, and here for examples. Thanks. APK whisper in my ear 02:41, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix all asap. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Part 1 fixed. Now checking the pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Fixed all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:47, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. APK whisper in my ear 07:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
AgnosticPreachersKid problem was caused because a redirect was deleted and I did not notice. Thanks for the heads up! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles..

"Article" is more accurate than "page" as only articles (pages in article space) are listed in the catogories. -- PBS (talk) 08:53, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

PBS OK! We can remove the word "Wikipedia" then. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia helps to qualify that they are Wikipedia articles and not Encyclopaedia Britannica articles.
"If it ain't bust don't fix it". Why are you so keen to make work over maintenance categories? -- PBS (talk) 09:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
PBS to uniformise the naming will help in searching for these categories. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
AFAICT, unless one is using regular expression searches adding or remove Wikipedia is not going to make any difference on a search. I suspect that we are looking at things in a different way. I access this type of template via the document page of the template rather than through any search of categories.
Because the people who have the knowledge (and the interest), to fix these problems usually are involved in projects involved in porting text from Wikisource to Wikipedia and are not necessarily very familiar with Wikipeida more obscure ways, accessing via the template document page is the usual way these things get fixed. The major problem is that there are one or two editors who (for example) insist on using unnamed parameters when using these templates, it is necessary to occasional batch edit Wikipedia articles to use the parameter names in the documentation.
Other parameter names such as "wikisource" "article" were used until a general consensus coalesced around "wstitle". Those names could probably be removed from the templates, but rather than a wiki drama around changing the code it is simpler to keep them in the code and check these categories once in a while. Also there is a need to move other parameters into the categories as they become obsolescent in the underlying templates eg "seperator" and "postscript" (as used in these templates) which have been replaced by "mode". -- PBS (talk) 09:27, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For all of your recent hard work cleaning up the WikiProject categories on various article talk pages. --GouramiWatcher(?) 16:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Gourami Watcher Wow!! Thanks!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

AWB account


Magioladitis, what do I need to do to get an AWB account? I have some repetitive HTML coding clean-up I would like to perform, and it would seem that it's long overdue for me to start using this auto-edit tool when needed. Please let me know. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1 you already have AWB access. Just download the program and run it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Wow. When did I get that permission? I have no recollection of that whatsoever. I remember test-driving Huggle several years ago, but I don't think I used it more than a half dozen times. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:50, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
About 3 years ago. –xenotalk 17:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
lol. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. Now all I have to do is figure out those AWB instructions -- kinda daunting. Is there a crib sheet for repetitive replacements? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1 examples? -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:18, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Dirtlawyer1: On the Options tab, check the Find and replace box and click the Normal settings button. In the Find column, type "&ndash ;" and in the Replace column type "–". Check the Enabled box and click OK. Then load all the articles in the category and have fun editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:33, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) If this is the only change being made, wouldn't such edits contravene AWB's rule of use #4 about not using AWB to make edits which that have no noticeable effect on the rendered page ? DH85868993 (talk) 00:32, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
@DH85868993: While the edit would have a noticeable effect to the code for editors, you're right that it wouldn't have a noticeable effect on the rendered page. Hopefully Dirtlawyer1 would make other significant changes at the same time as this replacement. GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1: (pinging Dirtlawyer1 in case they're not watching this page). DH85868993 (talk) 02:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I can't remember if autoEd does the &dash replacement or not. It does do some html codes. Another option would to use a find & replace in a browser. Firefox has a really good addon called FoxReplace. Chrome has Search and Replace and it is just so-so. Bgwhite (talk) 05:20, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, y'all. All good and helpful advice. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:24, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Removing text using AWB

Hi, I'm about to remove a template from thousands of pages on my home wiki using AutoWikiBrowser. Is there a way to remove a specific piece of text? And how do I remove templates with parameters? Thank you. —ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 07:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Quenhitran to remove template parameters I suggest that you load a custom module using this example: User:Yobot/Task 17-persondata. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Fix your AWB task

This is totally wrong. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 02:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Shirik This doesn't have anything to do with AWB. Magioladitis is a BAG member. Your bot was relabeled unapproved. It appears your bot's only contributions have been ~15 edits to report it has an error. If your bot was approved, you will need to show the discussion where it was approved. Bgwhite (talk) 04:51, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite I don't know where you get the idea that it's unapproved. The bot's contributions are in the tens of thousands of BLOCKS it has performed, and the approval is documented in the very notice that is being removed. It does not currently have an admin bit because I asked for it to be removed, because it is not needed right now, which is documented in its very own log which references my request. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 21:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Shirik I see that you already fixed the label. Yes, at some point I marked an unapproved all bots with no flags to catch attention. Then I stopped and fixed most of them. Mostly interwiki bots are unapproved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:44, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Understood, thanks. Honestly at the end of the day it doesn't matter too much; someone had just brought it to my attention and I flipped out for a second. Why I care so much is that this bot effectively is a backup mechanism, and one that I would like to be able to quickly turn on in the event that it is needed again - and if it has the 'unapproved' label on it then it's going to take a lot of explaining before we get back to normal state. Thanks for clearing things up. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 21:52, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Shirik the problem occurred because of an inconsistency of the various states. We need to distinguish "inactive without flag" and "inactive with flag". We started removing bot flags for security reasons. This does not mean that the bot lost community approval. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Bgwhite the bot is just inactive. It lost bot flag due to inactivity. I was my mistake to mark it as unapproved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:49, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Shirik I looked at contributions and not the log. We would make a great three musketeers, except we would all show up on different days at different locations. Bgwhite (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Books are HOAX now ???


You Jut deleted "Judo do" who was reliable with few published source.!!!

I think the deletion was correct but in any case could you also restore the Talk page. It included some relevant comments. The article itself is full of misinterpretations that suggest it is far more than it is - I still call hoax. Perhaps the whole thing should be moved to DraftPeter Rehse (talk) 17:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Authority control

Hi: thanks for your message. I had noticed something about Wikidata, but am not certain how to use it. When I see a VIAF link without an LC link, I usually like to add the LC link since it generates a link to WorldCat (which shows major publications; holdings, a word cloud, etc.). I think it's useful for people who are interested. Is there an easy way to add that info to Wikidata rather than the way I'm doing it now? (which is going into the Authority control template and adding the links manually). Thanks in advance. FeanorStar7 23:38, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

FeanorStar7 I'm not sure if a bot handles it. If it doesn't...
  1. In User:Bgwhite/vector.js, look for Show Wikidata links under page title. Copy this one line code to your .js file. This will add a link in any article to the corresponding Wikidata page.
  2. In Wikidata, you will be adding "LCAuth identifier" under the statements. Look at Albert Einstein's wikidata page and you can see all the fun-filled parameters that could be added including LCAuth.
Bgwhite (talk) 00:44, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

machpela cave (cave of the patriarchs)

the Wikipedia article on the cave has this information: "Israeli authorities have placed restrictions on calling the faithful to prayer by the muezzin of the Ibrahimi mosque. The order was enforced 61 times in October 2014, and 52 times in December of that year. The reason given is that the call to prayer bothers Jewish settlers in the city." I believe it is unbalanced if it doesn't include the information here. I don't want to add it myself because of my partiality. Could you, please? -- Naytz (talk) 19:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Lake edits


Hi Mags, firstly thank you for all your cleanup work - it's really appreciated. I hope you don't mind, but I've reverted some of your edits to the infoboxes of various German lakes, only because the changes had caused the infobox images to disappear. But happy to discuss if that is a problem. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 08:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Bermicourt No problem. It seems something needs adjustment in the infobox's code. I tried to find the tracking part in the code and I failed. Maybe Frietjes can help me!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Is Frietjes a bit of a whiz with infoboxes and templates? I would just love to be able to replicate the work we've done on Infobox:Berg where as you copy the infobox across it automatically shims (is that the word?) the parameters to Infobox:mountain. Then, later, a bot comes along and replaces the Infobox:Berg with Infobox:mountain without losing the information. Very clever! I'd also like someone to develop a way of automatically converting German Wiki coordinates format to the English Wiki format instead of having to manually do it every time. I have asked before but no-one seems to know how to do this. Bermicourt (talk) 12:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) As far as I can tell, {{Infobox See}} should be substituted, as {{Infobox Berg}} is. I have added a template to the documentation that should persuade a bot to stop by to substitute the template, or you can do it yourself by editing the article and typing "subst:" in front of the template name, like this: {{subst:Infobox See|...}} and saving the page.
I have substituted all of the instances of {{Infobox See}}, fixing the template in the process to match the current parameters in {{Infobox lake}}. Let me know if I made any mistakes in translation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Bermicourt and Jonesey95, see Template:German coord convert‎ / Module:German coord convert‎. seems to generally work, but may need more regular expressions. Frietjes (talk) 14:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes and Jonesey95: Everything started when I started cleaning Category:Wikipedia infobox body of water articles using deprecated parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:07, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

No good deed goes unpunished. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Magioladitis, you made a mistake here, it's shore_km not shore_m. Frietjes (talk) 15:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Frietjes I updated my code. The bad thing is that I obviously did this error in many pages... -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Well done, all of you, for your outstanding work. We'll get there! Bermicourt (talk) 15:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes and Jonesey95: I left 11 pages in Category:Wikipedia infobox body of water articles using deprecated parameters. They need a second pair of eyes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:31, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I fixed the last three. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Infobox city Japan unsupported parameters

Extended content

Parameter translation for Template:Infobox city Japan

  • Name → name
  • ImageSkyline → image_skyline
  • ImageSize → imagesize
  • ImageCaption → image_caption
  • SymbolImage → image_symbol
  • MapImage → image_map
  • LatitudeDegrees1 → lat_deg
  • LatitudeDegrees → lat_deg
  • LatitudeMinutes1 → lat_min
  • LatitudeMinutes → lat_min
  • LatitudeSeconds1 → lat_sec
  • LatitudeSeconds → lat_sec
  • LongtitudeDegrees1 → lon_deg
  • LongtitudeDegrees → lon_deg
  • LongtitudeMinutes1 → lon_min
  • LongtitudeMinutes → lon_min
  • LongtitudeSeconds1 → lon_sec
  • LongtitudeSeconds → lon_sec
  • Region → region
  • Prefecture → prefecture
  • Subprefecture → subprefecture
  • Merged → merged
  • Merged_into → merged_into
  • Mayor → mayor
  • Area_km2 → area_km2
  • Population → population
  • PopDate → population_as_of
  • Density_km2 → density_km2
  • Postal code → postal_code
  • Area code → area_code
  • Tree → tree
  • Flower → flower
  • Bird → bird
  • Flowering tree → flowering_tree
  • Butterfly → butterfly
  • Fish → fish
  • Others → others
  • CityHallAddress → city_hall_address
  • CityHallPostalCode → city_hall_postal_code
  • CityHallPhone → city_hall_phone_number
  • CityHallLink → website
  • Footnotes → footnotes

should probably just remove the phone number. Frietjes (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes As soon as we add them at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Rename_template_parameters#Infobox_templates I can run my bot to fix all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

  Doing... Magioladitis (talk) 21:52, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes   Done -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:33, 4 September 2015 (UTC) removed many |Coords=. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

looks good! thank you. Frietjes (talk) 14:31, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


Hi Magioladitis, where can I ask for admin help, report or someone to join in the discussion in an article's talk page? Thanks. (N0n3up (talk) 20:13, 6 September 2015 (UTC))

Bot question

Hello, I have no idea about bots but have come across a new alternate account User:ReflinkerMS which to me looks like an unauthorised bot, opnion and way forward would be appreciated, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 10:32, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@MilborneOne: I stumbled across this page, note that this is not a bot. It is just another bot-like account operated by me. RMS52 Talk to me

But later, I may abandon the account and make a proper bot. RMS52 Talk to me 12:15, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

delete a module


could you delete "Module:Extract template parameter" for me? thank you. Frietjes (talk) 13:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Pages using infobox dam with deprecated parameters

Frietjes One of the parameters causing an article to be in this category is |coordinates=. Currently, any article in that category that starts with C or D has |coordinates=. It was rendered deprecated in 2010 it looks like. Is this a parameter that should still be deleted/converted? Bgwhite (talk) 23:13, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Bgwhite, I believe the plan was to convert these to use | lat_d = | lat_m = | lat_s = | lat_NS = | long_d = | long_m = | long_s = | long_EW = . any additional junk after the {{coord}} template can be pushed into |coordinates_ref=. If you aren't sure, you can ask on the talk page for Infobox dam, which is where the deprecation process was originally started. Frietjes (talk) 23:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
if |coordinates_ref= is also deprecated, we can deal with that later. Frietjes (talk) 23:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Frietjes |coordinates_ref= is depreciated. I've been removing that. In articles starting with A or B, I converted to |lat_d=, |lat_m=, etc. I've been putting the additional junk into |coordinates_type= and |coordinates_display=.
Magioladitis, if you are going to play with this category, So far, I've only been removing |closed=, |coordinates=, |coordinates_format= and |coordinates_ref=. Bgwhite (talk) 23:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite, the additional junk I was talking about was things after the {{coord}} template, like citations, or parenthetical information, or additional coordinates. clearly, region:XY_type:landmark goes in the |coordinates_type= and title goes in |cooordinates_display=. the stuff outside of the {{coord}} template is what I was referring to. Frietjes (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


Bgwhite, we should probably remove this extraneous markup (found many more with this search)? Frietjes (talk) 14:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes, there were 24 articles in September's dump. They are now all fixed.
CheckWiki didn't catch those empty span tags, so it go me thinking about catching more. I've changed the regex to catch any empty span tags, regardless of what is inside the opening span tag. Also catches any self closing span tags. 6% of the dump has been scanned and it has caught 306 articles. Majority are either <span id="Animation"></span> or <span id="Animation" />. It is catching some interesting ones, such as span tags found in Dordt College, Mass–energy equivalence and Tug McGraw Bgwhite (talk) 20:15, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite, fixed the ones in Dordt College and Tug McGraw. the use of <sup>&nbsp;</sup> in Mass–energy equivalence seems like something that should be templated so that it can be tracked/fixed later if there is a better solution. Frietjes (talk) 22:51, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Frietjes Why have <sup><span style="font-size:100%;">&nbsp;</span></sup> in Mass–energy equivalence at all? Just above that, there is <sup>&nbsp;</sup> inside and before a ref. Wouldn't a regular space or &nbsp; work just as well? Bgwhite (talk) 23:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite, yes, a simple &nbsp; or &thinsp; would probably work just as well. I believe the issue is making sure the sup-ref number doesn't look like an exponent. Frietjes (talk) 23:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes and Magioladitis: User:Bgwhite/Sandbox1 contains "empty" span tags. I've removed any that contains <span id= >. It also contains cases of just <span />. Should I filter out cases that have &nbsp;? Any other thoughts? Bgwhite (talk) 07:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Bgwhite, note that <span id=foo /> should probably be replaced by {{anchor|foo}}. I would replace any which are being used as a color box with {{color box}} or {{legend}} or {{legend2}} (example). another common pattern is probably this one, which is definitely fine to replace if it's used with the {{navboxes}} template. if it's being used to introduce a newline before a list, you just need to check the result after removal to make sure it doesn't screw up the bullets (example). Frietjes (talk) 12:02, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes and Magioladitis: I started a search for <div> tags, just like I did for <span> tags. There were so many <div style="clear: both;"> and similar incarnations that I'm going to "fix" those first before doing another scan. Getting those out of the way, maybe we can see better where we stand on <div> tags Bgwhite (talk) 23:43, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes and Magioladitis: There were over 1,000 cases of <div style="clear: xxxx;"> that have been fixed. 2,400 articles of <div> remain. I see alot of <div id=> cases. There are odd cases of clear that I need to fix, for example it uses apostrophe instead of quotes.

@Frietjes, Magioladitis, and NicoV: I used the new regex on <gallery> tags. It found an additional 76 articles on enwiki and they have all been fixed. I also checked <center> tags. There were 100 articles, but they were all cases of <center />. They were also all fixed. I'll be adding the regex for gallery tags to CheckWiki #85. I'll add cases of <center /> to #2. Bgwhite (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


If you find time for it please take a look at Security-related bills. Any help appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


Do you think rollbacker and reviewer right can be restored? I will followup on wiki talk pages sporadically. If you need a clarification that require sensitive info I am available over email. Thank you. --AmritasyaPutraT 18:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Magioladitis, did you get a chance to review this? --AmritasyaPutraT 15:23, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I have not reviewed this yet. I ll check tomorrow. I am on a trip. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I think both of us forgot about this.   Let me know if you are okay with my request? --AmritasyaPutraT 08:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


If you want to you can please review my noms at TAFI. I need some more input. Thanks. Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Nominations.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:06, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Tom Spahn


Why was the image removed? It must have been a couple of years ago I went through all kinds of grief to get it put on.

Kmccall (talk) 07:14, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Kmccall: It was removed on New Year's Eve 2012 in this edit. There's a deletion explanation at File:Tom Spahn photo, TomSpahn.png, along with the name of the editor who deleted it. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 23:49, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

AWB problem with #34

AWB won't replace {{PAGENAME}} An example article is Dick Grecni. Bgwhite (talk) 06:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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