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Yobot request

Hi. Is this request good to go? Let me know if there are any problems. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts Hi! I can do during this week. I 've been busy doing other stuff. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Great! Thank you. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Magioladitis. Do you have an update of when this will be started? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Lugnuts tonight! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Tonight, Tonight? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:55, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Lugnuts thanks for the ping. I totally forgot about it. I started it right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Initial request

At the Film Project three new task forces have been created. Please could a bot tag the {{WikiProject Film}} banner of articles in the following categories with the appropriate tags:

If an article currently doesn't have a talkpage or a film project tag on an existing talkpage, to add that too. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Note to myself: I started creating User:Yobot/Film. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts Something is wrong. I think not all sub-cats of Category:Documentary films are films. 44,000 items! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:11, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

How many sub-levels of categories does your tagging go down? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Lugnuts all the way down unless you tell me otherwise. I haven't started any real tagging yet on this part so no harm has done so far. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm, interesting! I suspect there's a rogue parent category somewhere in the category tree. What if you only tag all the articles in the cats and sub-cats of Category:Documentary films by country and Category:Documentary films by decade? In theory, that should be all of them. Shawn in Montreal - I know you've done a lot of work on the documentary categories - can you spot anything odd with the sub-cats? Thanks! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure. I know Ford has pointed out that we've got some TV doc series mixed in, but it's not that big a problem, I didn't think. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Looks great on all the articles and cats I have a watch on. And I'm pleased to see that it's tagging documentary filmmakers, too. If that's the case, then it should eventually tag the documentary film organizations, festivals, awards, too, I expect. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, me again. I see it's not adding the documentary tag to categories of doc films by topic, only film? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Shawn in Montreal I did not start yet. I normalised the templates before the real tagging to simplify any complications. I'll start tonight. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah yes of course. I just saw that forest of bold on my watch page and assumed. Thanks. I'm looking forward to seeing if and how all this work leads to an improvement in the doc film articles, down the road. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts subcats of silent films gives 19,000 pages. Subcats of Mexican have a "normal" amount of pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

What about the subcats of just Category:Silent films by country ? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Refined categories

Lugnuts these are the stats:

-- Magioladitis (talk) 10:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts I can proceed if you think this is OK. I checked the category tree of these last 4 categories and seems fine. Meanwhile, I am doing some normalisation to help my tagging code. Things are complicated with all these variants of banners and parameters. I can write a better code later tonight. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

That sounds good to me - many thanks for looking at this. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I finished the normalisation part. I'll now check which banners already have the wanted parameters and this will reduce the lists more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Note to myself: Exclude biographies from tagging. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:34, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

If I may: but doc film festivals, awards, etc. They won't necessarily be excluded? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Shawn in Montreal no idea. I excluded biographies per a comment that WP:FILM excludes biographies. Is anything else I have to do? I am not a member of WPFilm. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Lugnuts and Shawn in Montreal: do you want to discuss so I get specific instructions of what to do? Right now I am adding parameters to only existing templates. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts I finished the Mexican ones by adding the parameter only the existing templates. 550 pages affected. I ll continue tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry, I don't think I can give you any definitive advice. I believe doc filmmaking organizations, awards, etc. should be included. But the Film wikiproject has separate projects for Filmmaking as it does Filmmakers, and Lugnuts or others may feel the Doc films group should only properly include doc films-related articles, categories, etc. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
They would come in scope for the project and tagging them with the documentary banner sounds reasonable to me. I can't imagine anyone would take offense at the tag being added! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
But to be clear: it's the documentary films banner. I believe Fortdj33 has already corrected me on this, and objected to my proposal that the banner also be applied to documentaries TV series and interactive webdocs. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Magioladitis - what's the latest with the bot tagging? Everything seems to have stopped since 2 days ago. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Lugnuts I loaded the next list but unfortunately I'll be busy for the next day. I am traveling for a Wikimedia meeting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you - have fun! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:20, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts I finished the Silent ones by adding the parameter only the existing templates. Approx. 7,000 affected. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, my watchlist is collapsing under its own weight! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts I started the first part of the Documentary ones. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts Task finished for all pages that already had WikiProject Film on them. Tell me if there is something else I have to do i.e. add banners to pages that do not have it (but I would need specifics of which pages to exclude). -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Shawn in Montreal yes as soon as we find the rogue category that increases the number of articles to 40,000 and sends my bot outside the film pages frame. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Didn't realize that was still an issue. I've eyeballed the cats and I don't see it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:42, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Shawn in Montreal Category:Documentary films by genre‎ it's not clear. It even contains user pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:59, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Take Documentary films by genre → Category:Mockumentaries for instance. It goes to TV series. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, as as someone who's perhaps worked the most in the non-fiction film area, I personally don't believe that mockumentaries should be tagged at all. They're fiction films that mimic the documentary style. They're more akin to a comedic version of Found footage (genre) than true documentary. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Shawn in Montreal OK but as you see we have to make exceptions or reconstruct the category tree. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:08, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
My personal preference would be to make an exception, leave this one aside at least for now, and move on to other untagged category branches. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Shawn in Montreal still too risky. I still haven't found where the user space articles come from. And there are more issues to solve. I can move slowly forward but it's a bit time consuming to be honest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:23, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Shawn in Montreal The problem was with Mockumentaries since it contains Category:The Office (U.S. TV series) which contains Category:The Office task force articles which most probably it should not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Yep, well it's been removed from the tree now, thanks. Again mockumentary is no more genuinely non-fiction that, say, the Blair Witch Project, as far as I can see. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Documentary films by topic

Shawn in Montreal, Lugnuts the last category is Category:Documentary films by topic. There is something wrong there too. Somehow is leads me to Category:Prisoner of war camps in the United States, Category:Military personnel killed in the Falklands War and Category:Operatives of the Dirty War. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:21, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

There are 40 subcategories of Category:Documentary films by topic.

-- Magioladitis (talk) 14:40, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Should Category:Rock video albums be subcategory of Category:Documentary films about the arts‎?

Shawn in Montreal, Lugnuts Category:United States submarine stubs is in the category tree of Category:Documentary films about death‎. -- 13:00, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. I guess most of them will already be covered by the categories for years and countries. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Shawn in Montreal, Lugnuts I did my part. I will do some tagging but I would like you to check the category tree in the 2 problematic categories. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Can you just exclude the articles in Category:Rock video albums? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:16, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) The subcategory of Category:Documentary films about death‎ called Category:Filmed deaths seems to be the problem. GoingBatty (talk) 15:28, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah ha. Well, I have removed Category:Filmed deaths as a subcategory with an explanation in the edit summary as to why: we'll see if that edit sticks. They will still share the Category:Films about death parent category, which should suffice. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Missing documentary films by topic tags

  • I think some category pages that were tagged "Part 1" to add "Wikiproject" are missing the Part 2, where the doc tag is added? See here. There are a number that seem to have only been partially tagged. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
    I do see Fortdj33 is doing some tagging in this area, thanks. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
As much as the work by Magioladitis is appreciated, there's no way that he is going to catch everything that needs to be tagged. Once the bulk of relevant articles have been tagged by the bot, it will be up to the members of those projects to verify that all the articles are tagged properly, and to catch any that might have been missed. I'm just trying to do my part... Fortdj33 (talk) 17:43, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
As am I. I do not have access to AWB but have already done some clean up based on what I've found in the main Task force article listing. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:54, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I do not know why the bot did not revisit this page (and I guess much more). At some point I excluded many pages that were related to broken category tree. I am trying my best here but I certainly need help. I do not want to end up tagging thousands of unrelated pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Magioladitis! Would it be possible for you to please tweak Yobot's skip criteria so that it doesn't make edits when it's only doing template redirects, like this edit and this edit? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

GoingBatty thanks for the help, the comments and the feedback you provide. Right now I run two custom modules separately. I could merge them but this would make my life a bit more difficult. Right now I am in a Wikimedia Meeting. I can try to modify the code tomorrow. Thanks again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:59, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for all the hard work in tagging these articles over the past few days. I think the vast majority have now been tagged. Have a great Christmas! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts merry Christmas to you too! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:44, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry

To you and yours

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:24, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

FWiW Bzuk thank you very much! I wish you too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:16, 24 December 2014 (UTC)



Is it necessary to add defaultsort into railway station articles?[1] Thanks OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 08:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone yes. In order to delist it from the list of pages with special characters in sortkey. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Including those titles that have got no special characters? OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 08:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone in the example your provided there is a special character (á). Do you have an example with no special characters? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
There are a few, like Vista Alegre (Madrid Metro) has no special character in the title. No defaultsort in the article. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 08:56, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone No need to add anything there then. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

#property usage on cebu / bohol pages

As you may have seen, I'm working my way through the cities and municipalities, changing statements where possible to use wikidata. It is not the easiest job, because wikidata seems to have been designed without any external reference, i.e. what the customer wants rather than what the provider feels like giving. In particular, it is very unsuited to places rather than people. There is no notion as far as I can see of any dimension, not area, no length / elevation etc.

So a lot of items have to be got in with a wangle. This is particularly so when wishing, as I do, to introduce a general case rather than a specific, while at the same time endeavouring to have the output look more or less like it was before. So for example motto is usually presented as italics, even though the infobox itself doesn't do it. But infobox does present something if there is anything given, so a value such as {{#if:{{#property:P1451}}|''{{#property:P1451}}''}} with no actual instantiation of motto-text will produce a line something like Motto: '

Similarly, if {{URL}} is invoked without a parameter, it will give some kind of error case.

There are other problems associated with items which can take multiple values, for instance inception – there are many cases where a city / municipality has more than one. It may have a founding year some centuries ago, and an establishment (or incorporation) date later. Wikidata is not able to supply the values separately, but returns a csv list, where I replace each comma with <br /> (and hope they tie up with the title values alongside, which are not held in wikidata!).

There are many other items I would like to see brought into wikidata, for instance i "income classification" which is part of the legal definition of the city / municipality; ii PSGC (Philippines Standard Geographical Code), which is also part of the location official details. Et cetera.

Believe me, everything I am including is there for a reason, not for fun.

Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 18:26, wikitime= 10:26, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

User:Unbuttered Parsnip I do not recall consensus to add wikidata items like this in English Wikipedia to be honest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't really understand. What is wikidata for, if not a collection of data? Where would there be a consensus, or even discussion?—Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 23:10, wikitime= 15:10, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite, GoingBatty, and Frietjes: for advice on this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:56, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure on the status of Wikidata. I do remember these types of edits were reverted as no consensus, but that was a long time ago... over a year ago.
My main concern is doing it so somebody who is a semi-newbie can understand. Having infoboxes contain #if and other programming statements are not easy to understand. Having span tags to go around a colon is overkill. There has to be a better way.
For the immediate now:
  1. You don't need an #if statement for a website. See Sibonga, Cebu, it works just fine.
  2. For {{zwj}}<span style="padding-left:2px; padding-right:2px;">:</span>{{zwj}}, per this edit, I think this is overkill. "IDD:area code" is certainly is not the longest label. Odds of this being split (reason for {{zwj}}) are extremely low. I don't see a reason to make this so complicated.
For the infobox and wikidata
  1. There are infoboxes that will retrieve info from Wikidata if values are available. {{Infobox South African municipality}} is an example. {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} is another. Work on Module:Wikidata looks to be progressing and this module would be used in other infoboxes for Wikidata retrieval.
  2. If there is a way for the Infobox to fill in the data "automatically", it would be a much better and easier solution in the long run. Much faster than what Parsnip is doing now and much easier for a newbie. RexxS works on the Module and the person/Wikidata infobox. Hopefully Rexx can give us an updated.
Bgwhite (talk) 08:20, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
{{infobox settlement}} This template is used on 428,000+ pages. As regards a standard, why there at least 425,000 different standards, all of them jumbled bosh. I don't understand what algorithm the template uses to decide the widths of the columns (or why) - my guess it does something with the unrendered texts, which could be any size. I'm sure I had a reason for setting the phone codes as I did, such as their wrapping in the wrong place. But I've just come across {{thinsp}} which does most of it elegantly.
As I said, while it may work for specific cases, the whole point is not having to know, not having to tailor it. That's what standardised means. That's what KISS means too.
Undoubtedly using wikidata direct would be an answer, but at the moment it doesn't do it, and contrary to what you say (BG) I think it will be a long time coming. Even basic functions are missing, such as extracting qualifiers one by one. It looks like a usable form of coordinates may be some time coming too.
One of the reasons for the "if" was to slant the font. ''<nothing>'' causes something like ' to show, so it was necessary to test the value. Maybe I can use old-fashioned <i>nothing</i> instead.
I'm working within the confines of what is available now. Not waiting for jam tomorrow.
I continue puzzled about wikidata itself. Comments here seem to be blowing hot and cold.
Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 22:30, wikitime= 14:30, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

User:Unbuttered Parsnip I guess we should wait so that templates automatically obtain data from Wikidata and not force items into them. An example is {{Official website}}. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

That may not be the best example - (a) it's not supposed to be used in infoboxes; (b) it gives wrong display with a blank parameter. (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
{{Official website}} is a good example because it shows wikidata in action. Wrong display is something that can be fixed.
Unfortunately, waiting is probably the best option. It isn't hurting anything not to use Wikidata now. It only complicates things now. It only complicates things when switched over to Wikidata. Module:Wikidata seems like the first step in converting infoboxes and it is being worked on. I fear the usual response when something new is introduced on Wikipedia.... A cry of no, petitions to have it removed, etc. I do hope things happen sooner. Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
@Unbuttered Parsnip: My two cents: Since you continue to be "puzzled about Wikidata itself", I suggest you start conversations at the template talk pages and/or Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to work with other editors on the best way to integrate Wikidata into Wikipedia articles. I hope it can be incorporated into the infobox template code instead of requiring editors to put non-intuitive codes as parameter values. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Matthias Laurenz Gräff


I ve linked the article three times, so I think it isnt an orphan anymore. Can I clean the following link? {{Orphan|date=December 2014}} Kind regards --Artium72 (talk) 12:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Artium72 Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, happy new year! --Artium72 (talk) 14:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas, Magio! Wishing you the best in your life. --Meno25 (talk) 06:54, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Meno25 Many greetings to you my friend too! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Propaganda films and the doc tag


Okay, here's another little problem: I was surprised to see "Pimpernel" Smith tagged as a documentary article. It's a propaganda film, but it's fiction, rather than a doc film. I know from the National Film Board of Canada's work that most Canadian WWII propaganda films would qualify as documentary films, but that may vary from country to country? I think it's best just to remove the tags manually where they don't apply.... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Shawn in Montreal: This articles is in Category:British World War II propaganda films, which is a sub-subcategory of Category:Documentary films about World War II. GoingBatty (talk) 20:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. I'm not suggesting it be decategorized since I expect most wartime propaganda films will fall under the non-fiction film category. I'll just remove the doc tag from articles where it's not a doc film, and I expect others will, too. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Bot finished tagging. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

AWB and text search


It seems that text search is back in AWB Thank you and your colleagues for latest update. Merry Christmas and happy New year.--MaGa 13:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

MaGa Merry Christmas and happy New year to you too! Thanks for the feedback and the patience. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
No problem, keep up good work with AWB.--MaGa 14:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


On this page and some others, I had to remove the changes that were made by a banned user (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Beh-nam/Archive You can do your AWB fixes again if you want to. Oh and Happy New Year! Bladesmulti (talk) 22:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi your yobot fixed a silly mistake i made tks:)

Coolabahapple (talk) 05:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


I just wanted to take a minute and say thanks for the help on those edits and for the hard work on the improvements to AWB. Its good to know that some folks are still working to improve the project. I also wanted to let you know that I just loaded the new optional update. I'm not sure if its an issue with Wikia today, but since I did the update it trips the timer every few edits. It could just be something with Wikia, but I wanted to let you know anyway just in case. Special K.:-) (talk) 01:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Nigel Cayzer


Hi Magioladitis and a Happy New Year to you. I noticed Yobot tagged Nigel Cayzer for lack of links to other articles. I've improved the situation with four more (Eton College, Muscat Securities Market, Oman, GCC) to take the total to six. Is that enough to remove that tag? Many thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 11:30, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

HOgilvy great work. Page is fine now. I removed the tag. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
That's great, thanks very much. HOgilvy (talk) 11:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Bot moving a large number of motorcycling project articles

There is a large number of race articles that WP:WikiProject Motorcycling would like moved to WP Motorcycle racing. I know that WP Motorcycle racing has to be notified first. I read the bot rules and it looks like I have to list categories individually, is this correct? I.e. I can't just ask for "Category:Speedway by year" -> WikiProject motorcycle racing? — Brianhe (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Brianhe Most important for me that you check that the category tree you'll ask is not broken i.e. it won't lead the bot to tag large amounts of unrelated pages. It has happened to me many many times. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I understand. Is it possible to preview what categories would be traversed for a given root? I'll have to research a bit but I think we'd be recat'ing "Speedway riders" as well. — Brianhe (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Brianhe: Sure, by using <categorytree>...</categorytree> like this:

<categorytree>Speedway by year</categorytree> <categorytree>Speedway riders</categorytree> :::Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 02:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Neat trick, thanks. I'll run this by the projects and make sure we're cool with the move. — Brianhe (talk) 03:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Yobot error on Longest word in English


User:Yobot was deleting invisible characters on Longest word in English, except thoos characters were useful, as they allowed the long words to wrap anywhere, no matter the screen size. Without them the text was stretching out of the screen --KnightMiner (t|c) 17:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

KnightMiner thanks for the heads up. I replaced the soft-hyphen with the template version of it. I think this resolves the problem. Please check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Yep. It looks visually the same as it did when using the invisible character rather than the template. --KnightMiner (t|c) 18:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
KnightMiner perfect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Poodle interpreted by Yobot as a person


Yobot took a poodle for a living person, I'm not sure why. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Yngvadottir I'll have a look at it. Don't we add persondata to animals? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:41, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't believe we do; I just checked 2 from Category:Individual dogs and neither had it, but that was obviously an unscientific survey. The bot also added the article to the birth year category and to Category:Living people though, and at least the second of those is surely wrong. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:04, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
  Fixed rev 10703 Thanks for the feedback. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
@Yngvadottir: I added Category:2011 animal births, and confirmed that AWB doesn't add Persondata based on this category. GoingBatty (talk) 04:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: thanks once again! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Chris Vinante

Dear Yobot,

Thanks for the help, I really find difficult all these links and refers also because, English is not my Mother language. Is Now the page "Chris Vinante" alright to be published? Joan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joan Bozoky (talkcontribs) 22:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Joan Bozoky: You already published the article. Yobot added Template:Orphan because there are not other articles that link to Chris Vinante. I added a link from Green Room Club to Chris Vinante and deleted the template. I also deleted the proposed deletion template since you added references. I wish you all the best in your efforts to continue improving the article! GoingBatty (talk) 23:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Edwards Gardens


Why did you put back two dead red links, the words were still there but I was told that a red link meant there was no article written yet? It shouldn't be linked if nothing exists? Haiku Tea (talk) 20:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Haiku Tea it was not me nor Yobot. Still WP:REDLINKS are welcome. --Magioladitis (talk) 20:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
especially WP:REDDEAL. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

thanks i saw it was someone else. Redlinks can be good as marker for a new article but I think these were many years old, i will be more careful. Thanks again Haiku Tea (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Alberta Environment

Thank you for your WP:CHECKWIKI error note and underlinked tag you added to this hollowed out article. I created the articles Alberta Environment on 19 June 2014 and Alberta Energy Regulator on 24 June 2014. By October 2014 the article Alberta Environment had 29 edits, 14,119 bytes, about eight articles linked to it, many wikilinks, about six sections and more subsections, an info box and over a dozen solid references with inline editing and inline citations. On 19 October 2014, a new user Alberta Brian (talk) cut and deleted the entire contents of the Alberta Environment article and pasted it into a "new" article he created entitled Alberta Environment and Sustainable Resource Development. He did this to reflect the 2012 merger of Alberta Environmentand Energy Resources Conservation Board ERCB) into the new Environment and Sustainable Resource Development department. Little was added to the article when it was renamed. By creating a new article instead of renaming the original article, the history of 29 edit summaries of the original article was deleted and the original article was reduced to one sentence and as you noted, it is now underlinked. I am sure there is some kind of protocol when government departments undergo mergers and name changes whereby the original article is renamed and there is an automatic redirect for those who search for Alberta Environment (443 people since the change) as opposed to 177 visits to the Alberta Environment and Sustainable Resource Development article)? I propose the deleted content be restored to the Alberta Environment article and the name be changed to Alberta Environment and Sustainable Resource Development to reflect the merger with redirects from the original name Alberta Environment to this newly named article. Then the "new" October 2014 article Alberta Environment and Sustainable Resource Development, can be deleted. Any changes made since October can be added to the renamed article. Alberta Environment has been cited many times as the development of the oil sands became highlighted in the news internationally. This article should not be gutted.Oceanflynn (talk) 17:26, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

TFD for Template:Infobox Arena Football player

Magioladitis, can you weigh in on this: User talk:WikiOriginal-9#TfD: screwed-up merge of Template:Infobox Arena Football player, etc? I am not looking to reverse the TfD, etc.; at this point, that's water under the bridge. I am looking for the quickest, non-bureaucratic way to correct the presently misleading redirect of Template:Arena Football player to Template:Infobox gridiron football person. Please reply on WikiOriginal-9's talk page. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:26, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1 no worries. I replied there. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 07:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


please,help me in This page Hafshejan ,User Sahehco make Sabotage in this page.I am Iranian and I cant write English very well.Thanks alot. I want to add more subject in this page,and they are from persian wikipedia,help me.هفشجانی (talk) 06:05, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

How odd

I saw your AWB edit on the Moon article [2] in which you merely removed a space after a period (nothing visibly changed) and I was about to report you for using AWB for insignificant edits, because as far as I know it is against a rule or something. It turns out you're an administrator :)

I've just started using AWB. I'm still learning how to use it, but it seems really useful, indeed. Cheers Tetra quark (don't be shy) 02:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Tetra quark this kind of kind is better not to be done but I arrived to Moon due to this weird c:// in its source code. then I wanted to exclude the page from my to-do list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Question about a Yobot edit

Regarding this Yobot edit, with edit summary "WP:CHECKWIKI error fixes using AWB (10479)"

Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 18:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Wbm1058 hi. "10479" refers to AWB's code revision used. It helps me and other to check whether a reported bug has already been fixed or not. I'll check the slow edit war reported and I'll, hopefully, come back with some answers. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The bot is changing back something unrelated, unconnected and inappropriate.


The bot(Yobot) and I are having a disagreement

Yobot and I are going back and forth on an article of history that I am editing with all the estd facts along with giving appropriate references. Let me explain -- there are two kind of "Rohilla" community ironically of same name, one belongs to "Hindu" religion and other to Muslim. Yobot is mixing the facts related to latter into former.

In January 1774, Hastings ordered a brigade of the Company army, under the command of Colonel Alexander Champion (d.1793) to proceed towards Oudh. Joined by forces from Oudh on 17 April, the brigade invaded the Rohilla territory. The combined force defeated the Rohillas on 23 April at Miran Katra. The death of Hafez Ruhmet, Rohilla leader, proved the war turning point. Later in July 1774, the British and the Vizir of Oudh marched to Fyzoolla Khan. For a jagir of Rs.75,000, the English bought out the segment of Rohilkhand he possessed. A treaty of 7 October brought the hostilities to a closing. The above is already there in Muslim Rohilla on Rohilla and on Third Battle of Panipat.

The above should not come in Hindu "Rohilla" community. The Muslim "Rohilla" are very famous in Indian history due to having a battle in history with British but the other is more significant Hindu community in India. It obviously creates chaos among others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friend.hey (talkcontribs) 13:02, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Friend.hey it's not the bot that changes the page's content. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:11, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Commons name


I see Yobot changing the names of commons categories to the page name, - I think that is not informative. Any reader knows the page name, - it would be more interesting to know that the commons cat is different. I have been advised against easter egg links. Clicking on Inkpot Madonna, finding Tintenfassmadonna seems like one. (I changed that one.) Forgive me if that is a perennial question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Yobot only replaced the pagename magic word with the actual name. It's on editors' (plural) side to fix these properly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
I see, so I need to find out who writes the magic name? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt here's your guy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:18, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Seen, thanks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Yobot putting reflist inside a succession box


Hi, with this edit, Yobot bypassed a redirect {{rail end}}{{s-end}} which was OK I suppose since other changes were made, but it proceeded to add a {{reflist}} above that {{s-end}}, which sqeezed the refs inside the succession box. Also, regarding this edit, after ignoring the page for a little over two weeks, Yobot has returned to previous behaviour. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Redrose64 on the latter: I thought we found a workaround by updating... {{update}}. Have not we? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:09, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Slambo (talk · contribs) was working on that. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Redrose64 I can try adding a parameter to update otherwise we will end up with 200+ pages having multiple categories in multiple places. To be honest I thought someone already has not that and that the categories were replaced by a parameter.

I'll also check the other bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:16, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

rev 10774 for the first bug by Rjwilmsi. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:43, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I think we need User:Frietjes help to create |rail= (or something) inside {{update}} which will populate the said category. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:36, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Another wild and crazy Checkwiki editor

It appears another mentally deranged individual has decided to indulge in self-harm. I dream of horses is this unstable individual. As past attempts to recruit unsavory personnel into our Arkham Asylum have failed, maybe a new approach is needed. Therefore, condolences in joining our house of horrors. I'm also writing here in case I dream of horses didn't want others to find out about their problem from their talk page.

Magioladitis and I really love anybody to join us. There are some Checkwiki errors that are faster to be run as a bot. There are other errors that have to be done manually. Some errors, Magioladitis usually "lets" me do and visa versa. Are there any errors you would like to do? Are there any questions? Any help we can give? Bgwhite (talk) 07:18, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I tend to stick to errors that are considered by WPcleaner to be "top priority"; other than that, I just plan to switch between cleaning up Wikipedia and anti-vandalizing.
No questions so far. I just hope I'm not messing up! I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 07:21, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Need your help against unethical posts


Hi. I need your help on the below page and page like these List_of_educational_institutes_in_Rohtak.

In this page somebody has provided his contact number and is trying to get financial benefit, he has also projected his local coaching institute as some recognized colleges as some in the list.

If its part of vandalism then how should I report it on the name of authority so that you user does not revert it back. Should I send it to some admin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friend.hey (talkcontribs) 07:45, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

--Friend.hey (talk) 07:58, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Friend.hey I reverted these edits but remember that you can edit the pages too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

—Thats Okk, but what if the user again reverts back its bad comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friend.hey (talkcontribs) 08:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Help with AWB


Hi Magioladitis. I was looking at the manual for AWB and was trying to figure something out, perhaps you may be able to help me. I would like to be able to add a template to pages, and include a parameter of the template that uses the title of the page. I see how to add the template, and how to find/replace text. But I don't see how to include the title as a parameter for each page on the list. Is this something that can be done? thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E 12:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Becky Sayles: Try using {{subst:PAGENAME}} as the parameter value. See Help:Magic words#Variables and Wikipedia:Substitution for more information. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Re: Special Article Templates

Yeah i noticed, and i stopped it since two weeks i Think. But i noticed that the FA/FL templates for portales and lists are still not added by bots? So i added them manually. Is it correct or they are added as well?--باسم (talk) 11:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

باسم Dexbot started fixing everything now. Everything will be done by bots now. Thanks for the kind message. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Dany Bahar


Hi Magioladitis – I saw Yobot had been by the Dany Bahar article and flagged it for no internal links. I've now resolved this. Thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 11:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

HOgilvy thanks. I removed the tag. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Magioladitis. HOgilvy (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Strange edit to 2000s in the music industry


In Special:Diff/641129045/prev, you added a weirdly mangled duplicate of a paragraph with a strange {{context}} tag in the middle of it. Any idea what happened there? Anomie 00:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Anomie I retested my custom module and seems to work fine. Plain default settings do not affect the page neither. I have no idea how this happened since I did not notice anything strange the moment I was saving the page. Nothing similar has ever been reported. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Anomie Some F&R leftovers to my initial settings file caused that. It was never used widely because I then created the custom module. I think everything is fixed now. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Insignificant AWB edits

You appear to be violating the Rules of Use for AWB (rule 4) with your series of edits that change template "official" to "official website". Please stop this series of edits. Tewapack (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

It's a preparation for a bot moving data to wikidata and simplifying templates in English wikipedia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

AWB 10783 ("leanup") + Sheldon Silver

Hi Magio!

re diff, 2 questions:

  • a number of your edits around that time with similar edit summaries were userspace sandboxes. did you intend to also include mainspace? in this case what was the purpose if your edit?
  • what does leanup mean? should be cleanup?

thanks! --Jeremyb (talk) 15:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

P.S. how are the hot dogs over there? how many can you eat at once?? --Jeremyb (talk) 15:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Jeremyb nice hearing from you! Yes, it was supposed to be "cleanup". I thought it was "cleanup" and it was some font problem that I could not see the first letter of my edit summary. I fixed this at some point. I was supposed to clean only pages in user space. This page was converted back to old syntax after I have cleaned it from all articles. I quick check says that this was my sole mistake in this series of edits. Thanks for the heads up! After cleaning some thousands of pages I guess 1 mistake is expected. :)

The hot dog contest was awesome. I never figured out how the do it that fast. What happened to our hero? It seems he switched to tacos. Haha. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

AWB not working on certain wikia urls

Hi, Magioladitis!

I wanted to pop in and mention that AWB apparently isn't functioning on wikia urls that don't have "" in them - I've been attempting to work with wowwiki and receive the "ApiErrorException in ApiEdit.CheckForErrors" error.

I'm using the custom field for the url, and even tried using wikia's alternate url for the site (; quite expectantly the latter didn't work, but tried anyway. I'm using the latest version of the program as well.

Just wanted to let you know! Thanks ;) (talk) 16:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Orphan flag page Valerie Muzzolini Gordon

Hello Magioladitis, I don't understand why you think my page is an orphan. It has links to all sorts of wikipages, and reference links to other websites. Please let me know what you believe I need to add. Thanks PINKESTGIRLOHYEAHPinkestgirlohyeah (talk) 20:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Pinkestgirlohyeah: Please see the left-hand margin, where you will find a link named "What links here"; and see WP:ORPHAN, which is concerned with a lack of inward links. Contrast this with WP:DEADEND which is concerned with a lack of outward links. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:40, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Request to restore section heading and redirect article name to Legality


This has reference to this change made by yobot. Please also refer to Talk:Principle_of_legality#concept_of_.22_Legality_.22_needs_a_separate_article_.3F_or_move_back_to_Legality this and User_talk:Lowellian#request_to_move_the_article_heading_Principle_of_legality_to_former_name_Legality. To best of my openion article name Principle of legality needs to be redirected to heading Legality and not viceversa Principle of legality comes under broader concept of Legality. At the same time as far as legal terminology is concerned term Principle of legality is bit different than normally expected usual meaning by lay reader so Principle of legality needs to be under separate section heading and not as part of the main lead. Yobot has deleted section heading and merged it top lead where as to my openion either Principle of legality should go under a separate section heading or we have a separate article for legality to give better justice to both the subjects.

Thanks and Regards Mahitgar (talk) 10:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Frederic Wehrey

Hi, you fully protected this article indefinitely because of sock puppetry. I believe we've caught and blocked all the puppets, so I think we can remove the protection. Another option is to change it to semi for a limited period of time, which would catch any newly created accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Bbb23 I switched to semi-protection for 1 week. Then it will be again unprotected. Thanks for the heads up because I never intended to fully protect indefinitely. I must forgotten to set a date so it's good someone noticed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I noticed only because I'm mildly curious about the AfD. I blocked all the accounts after an SPI. Ironic that it looks like the article will be kept. The person didn't even have to be so disruptive and still could have accomplished his objective. I'm going to remove a couple of the tags from the article as they no longer apply (the article has been cleaned up by others).--Bbb23 (talk) 19:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Bbb23 everything is weird with this page and that guy. He kept adding material, gets reverted and then requests permission to delete stuff from the page. - Magioladitis (talk) 19:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Hard to say how people like that think, but my guess is if he couldn't get his way as to how the article should be written, he would get angry and ask for deletions.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:23, 26 January 2015 (UTC)



Please can you block me for the next 2 hours while I take a WikiBreak, as I dont think ill be able to without it Zafiraman Lets talk about it 22:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Zafiraman done but this made me laugh because nobody ever have requested me something similar. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Line break on Dresden Files article


I see you've inserted a line break between the "Other Media" and "Television" subheading on the Dresden Files article, which I reverted partly out of personal taste and partly to try out the features of the Twinkle editor; it seems however that a number of editors like to insert line breaks about as much as I like to remove them. It's, of course, a trivial edit, compared to other ones, but is there a reason for two subheadings to be separated by a line break? Thanks! MinorStoop (talk) 18:29, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

MinorStoop I have no strong feeling on either direction. I visited the page because it appears to have somewhere a wikilink to ISBN which I can't find it. (It may be transcluded in a template). Adding the line break it was my way to mark I 've been there and not come back to this page while fixing wikilinks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:25, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
OK I found the problem. [3]. Two cite web references with no url and an ISBN. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
It's no problem; just something I wanted to clarify. :) Thanks. MinorStoop (talk) 18:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

AWB error

Hi. diff. {{multiple issues}} originally had 3 issues, but editors removed 2 of 3 and didn't convert it back to a simple one-issue template. Will be nice to get that old-style syntax removed eventually though. Wbm1058 (talk) 00:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Wbm1058 thanks for the heads up. Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:40, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Wbm1058: I changed the template from {{cleanup}} to {{refimprove}}. GoingBatty (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh, "more cites needed"! Somehow I read that as more cities needed, and I was confused as to what exactly they were asking for! Thanks for fixing it – Wbm1058 (talk) 01:11, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of "Hindustani People" page on 30 December 2014

When I see my users contribution page>article created ,there is written that I created an article by name Hindustani People on 26 December 2014 and u deleted it on 30December 2014.

I am amused I never made any page withe the above mentioned name. Why is it in my user page?

Ejaz92 (talk) 06:51, 4 February 2015 (UTC)



in the case that there is an ASIN but no ISBN, could you add that instead? for example, here? Frietjes (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Frietjes OK. I checked Amazon and I found 2 different ASIN versions what's why I did not add anything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
in that case, you could just add both, but will help to verify that it actually is a book. Frietjes (talk) 16:20, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yobot tagging request


Hi Magioladitis! I would be very happy if you could help me with project tagging for a task force; I've added a request at WP:BOTREQ. jonkerztalk 16:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

About your (non)participation in the January 2012 SOPA vote


Hi. I am Piotr Konieczny (User:Piotrus), you may know me as an active content creator (see my userpage), but I am also a professional researcher of Wikipedia. Recently I published a paper (downloadable here) on reasons editors participated in Wikipedia's biggest vote to date (January 2012 WP:SOPA). I am now developing a supplementary paper, which analyzes why many editors did not take part in that vote. Which is where you come in :) You are a highly active Wikipedian (11th most active), and you were active back during the January 2012 discussion/voting for the SOPA, yet you did not chose to participate in said vote. I'd appreciate it if you could tell me why was that so? For your convenience, I prepared a short survey at meta, which should not take more than a minute of your time. I would dearly appreciate you taking this minute; not only as a Wikipedia researcher but as a fellow content creator and concerned member of the community (I believe your answers may help us eventually improve our policies and thus, the project's governance). PS. If you chose to reply here (on your userpage), please WP:ECHO me. Thank you! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:23, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey Magioladitis, any chance you could help me out with this? Few more responses would really be very valuable to me. As the 11th most active Wikipedian, your input really does matter. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Done! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear Magioladitis,
HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions!
From a fellow editor,
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A kitten for you!

This wiki-kitten is here to thank you for taking part in my survey :)

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Adding named refs not always appropriate


Adding named refs is as your bot did [4] was inappropriate. Please refrain from doing so without prio discussion and consensus. Thanks, Paul August 14:34, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Paul August: In case you're not already aware, please note that AWB only adds named refs when an article already has at least one named reference (to avoid a 'change in citation style' in the article per WP:CITEVAR), as it did in reference 116 in the version before Yobot's edit. GoingBatty (talk) 04:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for that clarification, I wasn't aware of that. Paul August 12:26, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

about a user 42.244...

please track this person too, looks like he is a sock puppet and

here is moroe information sir,

I notice he had use many of the wrong information.

p.s. i found only you as the admin in the momment who is quite active in the aviation protol, please help me and suggest me too,

Thanks ;)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Do do doggy (talkcontribs) 01:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


Conboy456 (talk) 03:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of update of Kumarpal Desai

Dear sir. We are trying to update page of Kumarpal Desai, most information from - Somehow, all the updated information is deleted. Please do needful. Let us know if anything is required from our side.

Thank you. Gujarat Vishwakosh Trust, Ahmedabad (India). — Preceding unsigned comment added by GujaratVishwakosh (talkcontribs) 16:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @GujaratVishwakosh: I believe that the issue is that it appears that text was copied from and pasted into the Kumarpal Desai article. Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources states: "In 99.9% of cases, you may not copy and paste text from other sources into Wikipedia. Doing so is a copyright violation and may constitute plagiarism. Always write the articles in your own words and cite the sources of the article."
Instead of relying on his personal website, I suggest you look for independent reliable sources, which will go a long way to demonstrating whether he is notable enough to include in this encyclopedia. You may also wish to review Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide to see if that applies to you. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


So hopefully I did this right. I have a question and if you could either answer it or direct me where I could get an answer it'd be appreciated :) We had a school project where had to revise an article and we did the wolfgang amadeus phoeonix article and i notice yobot went on there and I'm wondering how the bots select articles? Is a random thing or what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoralDebauchery (talkcontribs) 00:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

sorting dates


Thanks for the changes to parkrun wikipedia page which make date sorting work correctly without the leading zero.

I use dates with leading zeros eg 08 May 2011 because that is the format given in Help:Sorting shows us that this is the way to do it.

Are you able to edit the Help:Sorting pages too? Or who do we need to notify? I ask because if the Help:Sorting page is not fixed, then leading zeros will continue to be added by many mode authors.

Thanks Roger — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Rjwilmsi knows better. I'll discuss it with him and we \ll take some action. Thanks for the heads up! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Roger adds... Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Check this


See you there... --Paddy (talk) 18:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. --Paddy (talk) 16:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I didn't have much time to look at it. Thanks for initiating the discussion though! -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Yobot 17 module problem?


When {{bio}} is on a talk page with no listas, the module/AWB will not add a listas parameter. It adds a listas under every other conceivable way the bio banner is spelled. I'm not sure if it is doing this 100% of the time as I'm not paying attention when it works. Bgwhite (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you rename bio to WikiProject Biography. There are only 10-20 transclusions of it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
It renames {{bio}} just fine and I add listas in manually. Just didn't know if it should be yet another biography variant added into the code. The {{bio}} tag is being added to new articles at a higher rate than the 10-20 you have seen. Of course, all the (#*$)@ variants is a story for another day. Oh, thank you for a new release of AWB. Yobot19 has gone thru the sections I had previously cleared out for weird names ... around 10,000 articles done by the bot. It is so nice to see letters A-F mostly empty. A second thank you for allowing me to use your code/bot. Bgwhite (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
This redirect has been retargeted some times and it is rarely used. So I don't think we should take any further action. I hate changing the plugin's code every time someone comes with a new cool name for a redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I renamed all transclusions of bio. I didn't fix the awb "bug" but I resolved the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Request for Yobot


I’m not sure if it’s better to leave this message here or in Yobot’s user talk, but I see that leaving a message for the bot temporarily stops it from running, so I guess I’ll leave it here.

In February Yobot visited the William Beebe article, and cleaned up the references by combining duplicate refs, where the article cited the same page of the same book more than once. [5] During the time since then I’ve added a lot of content to this article, and it now has around three times as many references as it did in February, but since Yobot hasn’t edited it again only the first third of its references have the duplicate references combined. Is there a way for you to get Yobot to revisit this article, and perform the same cleanup for the rest of its refs?

Thanks in advance. --Captain Occam (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm being a talk page stalker today. I visited the page with AutoWikiBrowser (AWB), the program Yobot uses. References should be cleaned up. The article also wasn't assessed, so I updated the article's talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, I was trying to get it reassessed also. I guess I can remove it from Wikiproject Biography's requests for assessment now. --Captain Occam (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I've got one other question about the references in this article, for either Magioladitis or Bgwhite. At some point I'll want to turn the references in it into links, so that clicking the link will take you to whatever book is being cited in the article's bibliography. I know how to do this manually, but it would probably take over six hours to manually convert every reference in an article that has over 250 references. Do either of you know whether there's a bot that can handle this task also?

If there isn't, I might make a request here for someone to create a bot that can can do this, but first I should make sure there isn't an existing bot I'm not aware of that can do it. --Captain Occam (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not aware of a bot, Magioladitis would be the one to answer. There are bot/tools to fix citations broken citations. Alot of the references could be combined. For example, references 60 and 61 could be combined. 60 is pages 126-128, 61 is pages 129-130 and only a sentence separates them. You should really take the article thru the Good Article (GA) procedure as the article screams out for it. If you want to go thru the pain and misery of Featured Article status (FA), you should do that after GA. One problem is the way you have done references. It is highly suggested to use templates if you goto GA/FA. Here are the templates. I took Jordan River (Utah) thru the misery of FA and you can use that as an example. Also the templates make it very easy and less time consuming. By copying and pasting, you could have the article cited as you wanted in 60-90 minutes. I just converted the Berra book over to a template for you to see as an example. Bgwhite (talk) 03:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I definitely plan on nominating this article for GA status eventually, but before I do that I’d like to put this article’s references into the best format, once I’ve figured out what that is.
Are you sure you think it would only take 60-90 minutes to convert all of the citations to use the harvnb template? I’ve discussed this with the person who wrote the article about this book, and it took her a few hours to convert all of that article’s citations. (She used a different format for the references in that article, but the amount of time it takes to convert each citation seems like it would be about the same whether it's using the harvnb template or another format.) That article has 57 citations. I might be able to convert them faster than she did, but even if I can convert one citation per minute, for 278 citations that’s still more than four hours.
I know how to use the harvnb template; this is just a time issue for me. I don’t mind spending a few dozen hours researching and writing an article like this one, but when I have limited time to spend at Wikipedia, I’m not sure I want to spend it converting almost 300 references into a different format. --Captain Occam (talk) 04:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
To change a reference: 1) Use "find" in your browser to find the next author's reference (say Gould) 2) Delete the reference between the ref tags 3) paste in the harvnb tag 4) change the page number 5) move onto the next reference. It is a fast procedure. Took me under a minute to change all of Berra's. You'll spend more time change the the books/journals in the reference section over to templates. I've got 30 or so minutes to spend in an hour or so. I'll help ya move some of the references. Bgwhite (talk) 05:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Howard M. Guttman


Dear Magioladitis:

I sent the message below to you on May 17th, and I've been checking to see if you have answered. It is now in the archived section of your talk page. I don't know if that means that you will no longer be answering queries in that section, so I thought I better ask again. Thank you, Dale Corey I contacted you last week to inquire about whether or not I could add a link to another person's article without their permission, in order to de-orphan my article. After receiving your response that I would, I went into an article on Frances Hesselbein. The subject of my article, Howard M. Guttman, contributed a chapter to a book edited by Frances. I listed Howard and all the others authors who contributed chapters, some of whom are very well known in the field of management development. First, I tried to highlight Howard's name and create a link to his page. I got a message saying that the page doesn't exist. I then highlighted the names of several other notable authors, including Jim Champy (James A. Champy), Noel Tichy, and Dave Ulrich. In each case, I was told that the wiki page did not exist, although I had just visited it and copied the URL.

Am I doing something wrong? Can you please help me? Thank you very much, Dale Corey (talk) 15:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)Dalecorey (talk) 13:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice message. The page appears to have three incoming links so it's not anymore orphan. If you want to add more wikilinks to other pages linking to Howard M. Guttman I propose that you check WP:EGG. I am not sure where the link should be placed in the authors you mentioned, so I can't help further. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Another Wikipedia editor, SPhilbrick, was kind enough to add the links for me and explain how to do it. Thank you again, Dale66.82.9.54 (talk) 15:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox GAA player


Hi. I notice that you have removed my additions to Template:Infobox GAA player and I'm curious as to why. I've been trying to merge Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer with Template:Infobox GAA player for the last week or so and had got to the point where the merge was almost complete. My plan was as follows:

  1. Add the elements in Template:Infobox GAA player missing from Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer to Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer.
  2. Go through pages using Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer and fix any that have been adversely affected by this (there weren't many, so it was easy enough to do)
  3. Copy the dual player elements missing from Template:Infobox GAA player from Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer to Template:Infobox GAA player
  4. Give things a week or so to throw up any problems (there are more pages using Template:Infobox GAA player than is feasible to go through on my own)
  5. After a week, given that there are no problems, redirect Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer to Template:Infobox GAA player

I was at part 4 of the process and notice the changes were reverted on 31 May. Possibly you were unaware of the merge effort (After all, I hadn't tagged the pages as being suggested for merging). Alternatively, you may have found pages that were adversely affected by the changes made, or have an objection to the templates being merged. If there are pages adveresely affected, it would be good to know which ones and why, and if there's an objection to merging, then it would be good to discuss it. I would appreciate your comments at Template talk:Infobox GAA player#Merging Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer and Template:Infobox GAA player. Thanks. Teester (talk) 12:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Errr. it was a mistake!!! I like th changes you did! I'll fix it. I only wanted to remove some old parameters. I guess I edited an older version without noticing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem. That's what I thought. I'll continue merging them, so. Teester (talk) 12:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Just a heads up


I know that you have been working a lot with Infoboxes so I wanted to throw you a notice about some edits I am going to start soon. I have identified about 5000 articles within WikiProject United States that do not have infoboxes so over the next month or 2 I am going to devote some time (and hopefully others will help as well) to adding Infoboxes to these articles. I am going to use the core Infobox person but will follow up with military person and or officeholder as embedded modules as appropriate.

Because I will be doing this with an AWB custom module and refining it along the way along with manual checking and because this will cross thread multiple WikiProjects I will be doing them in groups (I will start with military personnel because MILHIST is a large very active project that will cover a lot of them) and notifying them as I go. I am not going to paste every field of the Infobox, just the core ten or so like name birth date, death date, etc. and some may be blank on the first pass.

I have also been working on some code to remove some of the unneeded, deprecated or seldom used fields (if blank) and I will gladly release the code once I get it a little more flushed out. Because this is quite complicated and will involve another long module like the WikiProject cleanup I do not anticipate it being 100% error free so I want to make sure its as fool proof as possible before I start handing it out.

If you have any suggestions or comments please let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 18:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Very good idea. I would suggest you bring the subject to the botreq page even if you do manual because some people may want to check the source code. Doing it with AWB is a very good idea. Tell me how I can help with that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem, I already have some of the code written but I am going to build on it. I am having a little trouble with a couple things that I haven't been able to completely switch over to the module. The regex works on the Advanced find and replace but when I try and use the same thing as module code it doesn't work. Very frustrating. I have a couple of other things I am trying to wrap up this week but once I knock those out I will start devoting more effort to this task. I will put the code somewhere later so you can take a look at it. --Kumioko (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Be aware that has broken Advanced F&R rules. They are fixed in the latest snapshot (rev7756 or later). -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:17, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I saw that thanks...By the way I recently saw a tag that I thought might amuse you just for fun. --Kumioko (talk)
This tag is one of the big truths here in Wikipedia. the number of taggers is much bigger of the number of people who actually fix the problems at the moment, or at east it seems to be like this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for the barnstar. It felt like I accomplished something when names A thru F were cleared out. It is going much slower now. I've been doing H by hand because of the massive Arabic, Chinese, Icelandic and old Japanese names. One of these days Mandarax and I will be finished, plus whoever else is helping out. Bgwhite (talk) 23:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

Thank you very much for your contribution in improving the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista. (talk) 12:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Recent change to Infobox MLB player


I think you should know your recent change to the infobox {{Infobox MLB player}} results in the "Died" parameter always showing up, even for living people. Obviously, that shouldn't be the case. Thought you should know so you can fix it or revert. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talkcontributions) 16:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Fixed for good this time. Please confirm. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Single Infobox


I noticed this edit by Yobot. As Template:Single_Infobox did not exist (I've since created it as a redirect) this broke the infobox, which resulted in the deletion of an image and an audio file (since they appeared to be unused as a consequence of the breakage). As you are an admin, perhaps you could undelete these files, as well as those deleted as a consequence of similar Yobot edits on Shut Up (Kelly Osbourne song), Showgirl (song) and How Could I Be Wrong (and perhaps other articles). --Zundark (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. The wrong redirect issue was fixed since April and I though I have fixed all broken redirects. I'll see what I can do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Restored 4 images and 1 audio file. Judging by the pages transcluding Single Infobox and but the reverts I have don in April I think we saved all files. If I missed something please contact me. Thanks again for the report and for creating the redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring?


Eh... You seem to have left an edit warring warning on my talk page re: attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, a page I haven't edited since april, what gives? Dbpjmuf (talk) 19:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I meant Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)



Dear Magioladitis, good day. I saw some deletions you've done in En Wiki's pages. Deletionism is not a good policy. There are informations which should be repeated in more than one page; if that is repetition of text, that is also a great help, avoiding time consuming and fatigue to the reader and avoiding also massive processing in En Wiki's server. Regards. (talk) 09:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Replied in Portuguese page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Request about page Multi-touch

(YahooBot (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC))

Hello dear Magioladitis (Yobot),

please review Multi-touch. It's looking like user:Alexanderaelberts trys to promote links of his own websides (SEO). I am new on Wiki and don't know how I can deleted this changes from user:Alexanderaelberts.

Sincerely, (YahooBot (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC))

John Chapman

FYI, see here. Frietjes (talk) 23:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Unsubstituting templates

Since Yobot 15 is a similar type of task, I figured you might know the answer to this: is there a bot currently running on WP that unsubstitutes templates in Category:Pages with incorrectly substituted templates? Given that the page has only ever had a few entries on it most of the times I've checked, I'm inclined to think that there is...or that there are a lot of users monitoring the page like I am. On the other hand, I've unsubstituted substitutions that were nearly 24 hours old, which would tend to argue the reverse unless it's an infrequently-run bot. RobinHood70 talk 01:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't know. I 've seen people doing this manually based. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay, thanks anyway! I'll just keep doing it by-hand until someone tells me I don't need to. :) RobinHood70 talk 00:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I just spotted this edit, so it looks like SmackBot de-substs at least some templates. RobinHood70 talk 23:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I thought it was Rich making these changes manually. IF he created some logic for that it would be great. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Yobot: 4th of July-->4 July


Hi, this is a really old edit, but just a note that Yobot changed "4th of July" to "4 July", thinking it was an "ordinary" date. I've changed the article to a piped link to Independence Day (United States), hopefully that will be enough to stop this or other bots from changing it back again? Forgive me if this has already been addressed. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Very good job. The wikilink prevents the date of changing. I didn't know that AWB had this feature! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Peter O'Donnell


Please check your edits - you had him dying in the year 200 ! I have corrected the date. RGCorris (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Ooops. Thanks for the heads up and fixing it! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi, Yobot added a second period after a quote that had a period inside the quotation marks: here. Thought I'd better report as a glitch. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)Re

Thanks! I'll see how we can fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Arkansas Territorial Militia


Would you run Yobot on this article, Arkansas Territorial Militia. Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:10, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
You do fine work! Thanks!Aleutian06 (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Robina Suwol Wikipedia

CentralAbe (talk) 03:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)Central Abe on June 16th, 2011 New Wikipedia.Added following references below to the Robina Suwol page. {,_teachers_concerned_about_leukemia_deaths_at_California_elementary_school {]

Seldon Hunt


thanks for the advice wasn't aware that was the case. Dan arndt (talk) 08:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Dave Lapp


Is it just the lack of an infobox on this stub that triggered the wikify tag?Cloveapple (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the ratio of wikilinks is low but I am not 100% sure. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok. It has 4 links in and 4 out now so I took it off. Cloveapple (talk) 20:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)



What does ++ mean? Dismas|(talk) 10:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I usually use it for "follow up to the last edit". -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I see. Thanks. Dismas|(talk) 10:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Automated template edits


Magioladitis, I've noticed recent your edits on Template:Infobox college coach, and wanted to ask you about the feasibility of doing some automated edits to some more fields in the template. I'd like to edit a few of the field names to remove some of the ambiguity in them, e.g.:

  • Title → CurrentTitle
  • College → CurrentTeam
  • Conference → CurrentConference
  • Years → PlayerYears
  • Team → PlayerTeams
  • Position → PlayerPositions
  • FootballHOF → FootballHOFYear
  • BBallHOF → BBallHOFYear
  • CBBallHOF → CBBallHOFYear

Is this something we could do with Yobot? Thanks for you help. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I can do this but first you have to leave a message somewhere in template's talk page to check whether are any disagreements. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I posted a message about this on the template's talk page five days ago, and haven't had any objections. This list for fields to be renamed has grown though:

  • Title → current_title
  • College → current_team
  • Conference → current_conference
  • CurrentRecord → current_record
  • Years → player_years
  • Team → player_teams
  • Position → player_positions
  • CoachYears → coach_years
  • CoachTeams → coach_teams
  • AdminYears → admin_years
  • AdminTeams → admin_teams
  • OverallRecord → overall_record
  • BowlRecord → bowl_record
  • TournamentRecord → tournament_record
  • CoachingRecords → coaching_records
  • FootballHOF → CFBHOF_year
  • CollegeHOFID → CFBHOF_id
  • BBallHOF → BASKBHOF_year
  • BBallHOFID --> BASKBHOF_id
  • CBBallHOF → CBASKBHOF_year

Can we run with these? Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll start tomorrow most probably. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! Jweiss11 (talk) 21:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Magioladitis, I see you've begun to run these edits for Infobox college coach. Can we make another run through and clean up the spacing so that the equal signs line up vertically? That would make things a lot easier to read and maintain. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Also, the last three fields in the template (BASKBHOF_year, BASKBHOF_id, CBASKBHOF_year) aren't displaying in the articles, e.g. Phog Allen. The bot changed them to BASKHOF_year, BASKHOF_id, CBASKHOF_year (no second B before HOF). I suppose we could either rerun the bot to fix those field names out in the articles or just tweak them in the template. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I changed the parameters in the template. There are 5,000 pages and I don't want to rerun on that list. I could have fixed the spacing too but now I think it's too late. Some people wait for edits like that to block Yobot and create some drama. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I'd love to get the spacing cleaned up at some point. I'd be happy to defend Yobot and make preemptive appeals to any expected complainers. Let me know if and how I can help. Thanks again for your help here. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox sportsperson


You added one { too many here (Born). --bender235 (talk) 13:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Code update


I updated the WikiProject code again. I added another couple projects that I ran across. I added all the projects I had previously commented out because I was finding several were getting added. I also resorted the projects to be in alpphabetical order. --Kumioko (talk) 18:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Could you give me a ring too when you update the code. I found some minor problems.
  1. WP Poland -> WikiProject Poland
  2. WP Conservatism -> I couldn't find the Conservatism project in your code.
  3. WikiProject Disneyland merged with WikiProject Amusement Parks
  4. WikiProject Japanese Bibliography merged with WikiProject Japan
I use the code on 100-250 articles a day. The talk pages without listas is getting cleaned out. A-J and T-Z are cleaned. Around ~75 new talk pages a day come in and your code gets used on the new articles along with the remaining weird listas.
Magioladitis, whenever you have free time to go over Arabic names, just give a yell. Bgwhite (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Glad to hear its getting used and I'll get those others fixed in a few and resave it. --Kumioko (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok I think its fixed now, but let me know if I need to tweak the code for the 2 mergers. --Kumioko (talk) 20:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I orphaned WP Conservatism to reduce problems with older versions and running bots. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Cool. Yobot was blocked because I used it to get rid of the two not replaced redirects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I saw that, sorry about that. Its a good thing we have him or else Wikipedia would go straight to ... with all these rogue editors and bots we have running these days. What do they think this is an Online encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Sheesh. :-) --Kumioko (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Bgwhite, in the future, feel free to update my code exactly as Kumioko does. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, but for now I'll pass on updating the code. In a previous life... would collect data from a couple thousand weather stations that come in from all different agencies and in all sort of formats, strip out the data and redo every 15 minutes. Regular expressions was my friend. But right now, I'll have a higher chance of screwing things up. 18:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


Dear Yobot operator. If you really think that this was an important enough change to make an edit, then I recommend you use a capital next time: names of Wikipedia pages are spelled with a capital. That is: {{Disambiguation}}. Debresser (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

These pages are reported to the toolserver. Currently AWB retains the capitalisation. I'll add it to my to-discuss-list with Rjw. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Good. Note that User:SmackBot also capitalizes template names. And so is my personal custom. Debresser (talk) 17:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Although I personally also think that capitalization is preferred some editors do not and so I believe that is why AWB leaves the capitalization that exists. Some editors had a lot of heartburn in the paste about various bots changeing the casing of things. --Kumioko (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Please see


Could use your help at Template talk:Multiple issues#Edit request to fix problems. Thanks much! --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see: Template talk:Multiple issues#Edit request 5 July 2011 for more fixes needed. Thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, I did a comprehensive overhaul, so I hope this is the last update for Template talk:Multiple issues#Edit request 5 July 2011A! Thanks in advance! --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
OK, I listed the parameters that would need to be added, so that they will match the template names of the stand-alone templates. Let me know if you need a certain format, or is the list okay? --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I need you to write me down the new names introduced separated by commas (1st name, 2nd name, etc.) so I can update AWB's code too. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 23:47, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully, this is the format that you need:

primary sources, cleanup-laundry, over detailed, cleanup-spam, cleanup-reorganize, POV-check, criticism section, very long, example farm, cleanup-rewrite, cite check, quote farm, news release, unreliable sources

--Funandtrvl (talk) 00:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Removed: moreref, morerefs, morereferences, expand, recent, from live parameter section, since they are listed in deprecated parameters section. See current sandbox version. --Funandtrvl (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Pittsburgh Steelers seasons

Hello Magioladitis, I'm TonyO13. I'm just here to let you know that I've re-created Template:Pittsburgh Steelers seasons. The reason being that currently every NFL, AFL, and Super Bowl Championship team (minus the NFL and AFL championship teams of 1966-1969, as the Super Bowl championship trumped each league's individual championship as the "ultimate prize") has the following template sequence: (team's amount of seasons, the championship team's roster, and the team's general history template. I did it because I wanted there to be uniformity for each championship winning team. I understand that redundancy was the reason this template was deleted the first time so I will now delete the seasons tab from the general Pittsburgh Steelers template. I hope you don't mind. Thanks. TonyO13 (talk) 07:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC) TonyO13

If the seasons navbox can be used separatelly from the Pittsburgh Steelers template, then it's a good move. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind?


Would you mind having a look at Paddy Kennedy (Sligo Gaelic footballer) and {{Infobox GAA player}} for some reason there is a - in front of his position and I can't work out where it's coming from Gnevin (talk) 13:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind was looking in the wrong place Gnevin (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Cheney Mason page...

Hello, I'm fairly new at this. I saw that there was no article. on Cheney Mason (the lawyer working the infamous Casey Anthony case), so I went ahead and started one. However, like with the Jose Baez article, I am concerned the Cheney Mason may be subject to vandalism in light of the immediate aftermath of the acquittal. Can you protect that page to a certain extent like the Jose Baez article? (I don't know how to do it.) Just a concern of mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diligent007 (talkcontribs) 17:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox animal


Is it worth updating birth/death params in {{Infobox animal}}? -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I think yes. Less than 200 transclusions. I'll do it with Yobot later today. could you update the code to use Infobox class? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
updated. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
All params updated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot Edit summary

Yobot made this edit to the {{Infobox scientist}} in the article Michael Gerzon. It deleted the blank parameter |box_width=. Good edit; the blank parameter should not have been left lying around. However, the Edit summary left by the robot was "Updated infobox (BRFA 15) per Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params using AWB (7782)". This Edit summary is both cryptic and misleading. What is "BRFA 15"? I cannot find a mention of this anywhere; this is cryptic. Also, the discussion the link refers to makes no mention of a |box_width= parameter or, indeed, anything to do with widths; this is misleading. Please improve the Edit summaries Yobot deposits. Thank you. (If you wish to respond, please do so here.) HairyWombat 03:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. You are right, I need better edit summaries. BRFA15 refers to the number of the approved task. BRFA stands for Bot Request For Approval. I remove the unused/deprecated parameters and change others to their most common version (for example DateOfBirth to birth_date, which is the name used by Infobox person). box_width is not supported anymore in order to have same size in all infoboxes around. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, so why not make "BRFA 15" a link to User:Yobot#Approved_tasks? The link to "Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params" is more problematic. What is required is a link to a concensus about these tasks. You seem to be suggesting that there hasn't even been a discussion (other than of birth/death parameters). I must suggest that you initiate such a discussion somewhere. I stress that I don't have a problem with the edits the bot is performing; there just seems to be a lack of openness. HairyWombat 13:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The choice of "birth death params" as a subpage name is problematic since the discussion there becomes more general after some point. I'll do somehting later today. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, the parameter |box_width= is still in both the doc page and source code of {{Infobox scientist}}. |bodystyle= width, which it uses, is also in the doc page of the meta-template {{Infobox}}. You say that box_width is not supported, but that does not seem to be the case. As long as it remains in doc pages then people will continue to use it, and your efforts to get rid of it will fail. HairyWombat 14:58, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I removed it from Infobox scientist documentation. Infobox has to have it in the case we change the width later globally. Thanks for the great feeedback. I'll try yo do as much as possible and try to write some guidelines on the matter. I have to make a to-do list probably... I didn't expect that I would take so much effort when I started this project. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The alternative is to seek help. Reading Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params, there seems to be a group of people interested in this. Why not make your to-do list, but then push that out so that others can take up some of the burden? OK, I am done now. Bye. HairyWombat 21:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

WOSlinker and Plastikspork help in the project too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Heinrich Rau


Hello Magioladitis, the article Heinrich Rau is still under construction. Very very slowly, because in general, I have no time. Concerning the top picture: I find the current picture may be sufficient only in a adequate size. There are no really good picture for a top picture at Commons. Existing pictures, which would be convenient for the top, like this one are not available there. But other pictures from Deutsche Fotothek are already uploaded. Do you know, whether it's possible to upload this picture too? Kind regards Henrig (talk) 21:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC) P.S.: I see, it's no direct link. You can find the pictures there by searching with Heinrich Rau. Henrig (talk) 21:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for contacting me but I am not expert in photos. You 'll have to check the copyright status of the photo. I think the best place to ask is Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Also check the upload wizard to details. If you still have problems you can right me again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Henrig (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)



Pretty sure these defaultsorts aren't required anymore. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 13:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I contacted Reedy already we'll fix it soon. I activated "DEFAULTSORT restriction". Probably I have to update all my settings file. IT seems I missed some. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
rev 7784 -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

date for Multiple Issues

It keeps stuff simple to date MI too, and it is harmless. It's been happening since the template was created, it's annoying, but understandable, that AWB removes that date. Rich Farmbrough, 10:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC).

AWB removes all deprecated parameters and date if not needed too. I don't know how we solve this problem. I don't know Perl to help on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I think you should just remove Multiple issues from your bot's list. AnomieBot fixes tags too and Yobot occasionally fixes Multiple issues. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)



Now that you've finished off Infobox person, I've added tracking to Infobox writer. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

All the lived parameters used by Infobox military person have been split into birth_date and death_date. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Perfect! I 'll leave a note to Infobox's talk page. We should switch the style to coincide the other infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Infobox writer finished too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Merging fields

Would it be possible for you to discuss the changes you make, rather than just re-reverting after your changes have been reverted. Merging the birth place and birth date fields makes the template look very awkward because there is not much space between the rows so it looks too squashed. Personally I also think having separate rows and titles for Birth place and Birth date is more straightforward than simply "Born". Was there any meta discussion about this, or is it just one of the Wikipedia things where one or two people have an idea and then impose it across the board in the interests of "standardisation"? Number 57 11:16, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

There is this discussion in Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params but I don;t know if it fully covers it. I 'll try to open a generalised discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Removing placeholders

Consensus? Is there consensus for this? Last I saw, it was a leave-it-be thing. I'm happy to remove the placeholders, though and would prefer that it was policy. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 21:40, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are right the previous consensus was "placeholders are useless but no worth to remove them" but I think now in the frame of standardisation we can remove them since we are already touch hundreds of pages. I can add it as a comment to the infobox standardisation talk page but this page is not well populated. Maybe if we leave a comment to Infobox person talk page? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Here's a link to the discussion from 2008: Image_placeholders. If image place holders were ever needed, a better place would have been to add them at the template level rather than on articles then it would have meant that all articles without an image set would get a placeholder image instead rather than just a few of the articles, but since they are not, better to be consistent and remove them all. There is not that many really, although it's a few to many to do by hand but not a big job for a bot. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I need someone to leave a note in WP:BOTREQ that we resumed the image placeholders removal. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
There is an active discussion in Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Image_placeholders at the moment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist categories


I'm currently working through the band articles, removing the Born and Died params. Your bot could easily do the blank ones. After that there's quite a lot left in the other category which need more work. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I already started doing the blank ones :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand, why is the bot removing these parameters? In cases like this it seems appropriate. doomgaze (talk) 21:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
They are empty anyway and |Born= is being replaced by |birth_date= and |birth_place=. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox edits


Please explain I'm not trying to be a jerk, but what is the value of removing empty, but inevitable fields in person infoboxes (e.g. death)? This just creates slightly more work later, right? —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 00:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

|Dead= is being replaced by |death_date= and |death_place=. Till now death date and place information was stored at one parameter. I don't think it's much work later since now all standard parameters have the same name for all infoboxes for persons which means that everyone would be able to add them without consulting the documentation. I also have in mind to make a bot run in the future which will add birth/death information based on Persondata. Anyway, I modified the code to replace Death with death_place instead of removing it. I hope this is better. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Just to make clear: "Dead" is not an alternative name of "death_date". Right now it contains information for both death date and place. Thus, it has to be split. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Ah yes I knew that. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 01:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi-Fi murders

I wonder if you might take a look at the infobox mess on this page. Thank you. Betty Noire (talk) 12:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I am thinking about it. I don't really know. Maybe use Template:Infobox historical event? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot flaw

Your bot has a defect in it. It recently edited Howling Bells for the purpose of updating the infobox, but it also made additional edits throughout the article, which has now wrecked half of the references. It de-italicized the work parameter in all {{Cite web}} citations, consequently italicizing all work. Mattchewbaca (meow) 20:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

It's not Yobot's fault. In cite web |work= must be italsied. Its documentation reads "Do not italicize; the software will do so automatically.". -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, the work field in cite web is an anomaly and contradicts itself. If you take a look here at the following examples for citing sources, it states that books, journals, newspapers are to be in italics, webpages are not. Mattchewbaca (meow) 01:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Signatures on Infobox military person


Hello. Thanks for adding the signatures to the infoboxes but it seems like the one for the military person is too big and you can't change the size. See Charles Burnett Wilson. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 14:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixed now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Removal of WildBot tags


According to User:WildBot#FAQ, the tags are supposed to be removed by Yobot. However, since WildBot is no longer running and there continue to be many tags left, I am assuming that Yobot is not doing this task anymore. Why? — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 21:39, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I just did 335 more right now, cleaning the current list. This is a low priority task for me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)



Hi Magioladitis, I'm a fairly new contributor to Wikipedia, and I'm trying to understand how it works. For instance, bots. I've seen bots do what I thought were pretty radical, questionable changes. I was afraid of those bots.

Yobot doesn't seem like that. It seems to make sensible, non bullying changes. However, or maybe because of that, I'm writing you. I hope you don't mind helping a beginner with some questions.

I edited a page, Sallie Ford and the Sound Outside. Now it's been edited by Yobot.

My first observation is, some of the edits look identical to the original text. I did notice that some caps were changed to lowercase, but sometimes, such as line 22, I don't see any difference. What is the difference? My other question is, why did the bot change Dirty Radio to "Dirty Radio?" It is the name of an album, not an individual song, so it should be italicized, or underlined, shouldn't it? Is there a manual of style for Wikipedia? If so, where is it?

Thanks, Jean ±±±± — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaniac (talkcontribs) 05:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for contacting. Here is an analysis of the edits:
  • On line 1: Changed deprecated Uppercase parameters with lowercase parameters. In this way the infobox will use same style parameter with all other infoboxes around wikipedia.
  • On line 22: Removed a comma after the reference. There was a comma before the reference too and by WP:PAIC and other Manual of Style instructions punctuation must be before the references.
  • On line 66. The thing you see is not a " but a double '. This produces italics in wikicode. In general prefer wiki syntax against html code. It makes text easier to read.
I hope I helped. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you! Now I'm going to try to sign this with 4 tildes. Not sure why I can't get that to work. Jeaniac (talk) 00:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Happy editing in Wikipedia! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:07, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot and dab page


Yobot labelled Pentagalloyl glucose as a stub, though it has {{Biochemistry disambiguation}}. Perhaps that's a dab template Yobot doesn't know about? PamD (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. You are right. This dab template was created recently in 22 February 2011 and has only 4 transclusions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Sent to TfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi Magioladitis, I'm sorry for only noticing now that you prefer not to receive Talkback messages. In case you now assume I'll send them anyway and so aren't checking my talk page, I'll tell you here that I've responded. Also, in the future, I won't message you here regarding replies on my talk page. You can check it as you like. Armadillopteryxtalk 01:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. In fact you talkback messages were good because I did a lot of edits yesterday and most probably I wouldn't have noticed your first reply till today. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I'm glad it worked out. I don't know whether you've spoken with Rjwilmsi yet, but if you haven't, it might be relevant to mention that the APA and Chicago style guides prefer not to italicize web page titles, while MLA does prefer to use the italics. I know that Wikipedia citation guidelines are not strictly any one of these, but I've seen mention of all of them in various places, such as at WP:FN, so I assume their conventions are at least relevant.
  • APA: See section titled "Nonperiodical Web Document, Web Page, or Report."
  • MLA: See section titled "Basic Style for Citations of Electronic Sources (Including Online Databases)"
  • Chicago: See section titled "Website."
I hope this information can be useful. Armadillopteryxtalk 03:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot and infobox musical artist


I can't see a reason for this bot edit, particularly as this is an article that I just created recently and the infobox is taken directly from the current version on the template page. When I find an image to use here, the 'landscape' parameter is likely to be used, so removing it doesn't really help. --Michig (talk) 06:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Most likely it won't be used. A very small percentage uses landscape with a proper parameter (i.e. "yes"). At the moment only this Infobox uses landscape. It should be a "yes or nothing" parameter to avoid problems. I'll change the manual soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Check Category:Articles using Infobox musical artist with deprecated parameters (uppercase) and Category:Articles using Infobox musical artist with deprecated parameters (landscape). -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Can you point me to where the landscape parameter became deprecated? It's still in the template and in my view should stay there.--Michig (talk) 07:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Just to make clear: I don't removed |landscape=yes. The trackingcategory has only those that have a parameter other than "yes" i.e. the have no effect to the rendering of the page. Consider this cleaning more as "removing unused parameters". Now on landscape: No other infoboxes use it because image_size can be adjusted to cover it. Anyway, let's see how many infoboxes actually use it with parameter "yes" and we could initiate a discussion in infobox's talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Redirect on template documentation


I undid your edit here. These lists of redirects on template documentation are very important to assist bot owners in programming their bots with all the necessary variations of a template. Debresser (talk) 13:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Another thing is that I think we should have a bot clean up all redirects and remove them afterwards. But that is a personal sentiment which I believe is not shared by most editors. Debresser (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
OK but this is a temporary list of redirects that pop up everyday. I think programmers should use Whattranscludshere: Moreover "Somefootnotes" was kept as "orphan, no harm". Nobody will ever use it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
You seem to lean a little towards my idea of deleting part of these redirects, possibly after replacing them? Debresser (talk) 13:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Most of these redirects are useless but I don't agree with mass deletion of all orphan redirects because are really helpful to tag. Then a bot can fix the tag's name. On the other hand I don't agree with the mass creation of redirects. "Somefootnotes" is one of whose I would delete but it survived RfD and I am not willing to send tenths of redirects to RfD. I just think that by having redirects sections we just encourage the creation of more and more redirects which will probably not used at all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I never considered that. That having a list of redirects could stimulate making more redirects. I always thought these lists were the results of moves and merges. And I don't think that the danger of these lists stimulating creation of other redirects is very real, to be frank. Debresser (talk) 13:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Check it. There are some editors actually creating redirects :) I think {{Refimprove}} is a good example. Check this for example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Quite awful indeed. Debresser (talk) 14:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes. Some of these names are the result of great inspiration. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the exhaustive redirect lists I created a long time ago, when SB was running purely off hand-coded AWB. Now AWB covers most of them as a built in, and SB (HPB) both perl and AWB use "what-redirects-here" functionality. I tend now to reduce the documentation to 1 useful short-cut. The risks with redirect proliferation are real, I tried to explain them on one of SmackBot's BRFA's, but one participant just didn't get it and took everything as personal affront, the other took the inclusion of a long list of possible redirects (which was there because the first participant didn't understand without a concrete example - or it transpired even with one) as an affront to his bandwidth...   What fun we have. Rich Farmbrough, 01:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC).
I see. Magioladitis, that would mean, that the reason I referred to isn't true any more. So perhaps indeed some of the less plausible redirects could be removed. Debresser (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Debresser it's your call. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Related but not really


Could you help him with this? I think I'd have no problem with it, but you are the expert. Debresser (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

What is the license for uploading public domain images?


Hello. I have found a screenshot from the 1921 movie Dracula's Death, and I was hoping to upload it. It is the only known surviving screenshot of the film, so I thought it would be appropriate to add it with a caption saying "This is the only known surviving screenshot from this now-lost film", or something like that. I know how to do that, but I just wanted to make sure that this screenshot from a 91 year-old film is OK to upload, because the people who would in any way, shape or form own a copyright to the film are probably subject to the "life of the author +70 years" thing. I know I've gone a bit TL;DR here but I just don't want this historically signifigant image to be one of the many, many, many, many images to be deleted from wikimedia on a daily basis due to copyright issues. So, with the information provided, should I upload it? - Another n00b (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I asked some fellow admins to answer this question, because I am not expert on image copyrights but it seems nobody answered for 3 days. I am sorry for that. I think there will be no problem with copyright issues if you upload the photo. Give it a try. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox adult biography‎ change made & to come??


I see you pushed through a change in this template to do away with the "Image:" bit. Thank you for that! I'd been half-tempted more than once to attempt that myself - just didn't know how to get all those template changes made to the articles...

In fact looking at what the Adult Biography template says now and comparing that to the generic Infobox person, there's only a couple of fields difference between them:

  • gender is present in Adult. That was because the Adult Biography used to have code that handled Measurements and gender was used to handle some routing. If anything, I think this can probably be culled.
  • alias in Adult is called other_names in Person. Maybe do another template change & switch??
  • eye_color, hair_color and skin_color are present in Adult. Eye and hair colour can be changed these days readily and skin colour can be inferred by ethnicity. Maybe these can be removed?
  • spelling in Adult, which is used to support the above fields.
  • number_of_films present in Adult.

Hmm... given that list, maybe we should just ditch the Adult Biography template and move everything to the standard Person one? I wanna bounce that idea off you before bringing it to the larger WP:P* group (such as it is these days....) Tabercil (talk) 01:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with your comments. In the past I tried to do some work in adult and model. Please left a note to the related project and the template's talkpage. After some days we could proceed with the changes. Removing |gender= is a good start. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Okay, P* note left at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pornography#Infobox adult biography and there was already a note presnt at Template talk:Infobox adult biography#Almost redundant to Infobox:person? on that. As you said, give it a few days for folks to respond but I'm fairly sure we'll end up making the move. Tabercil (talk) 12:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox to wrap medal tables


I see you are going through wrapping medal tables with Infobox sportsperson. This just seems to me like unnecessary server load for no great benefit, but assuming there is consensus somewhere for this to be done, bear in mind a couple of points:

1. While doing this, you should also add show-medals=yes to the infobox. Otherwise you are effectively locking in "yes" as the default for this parameter (suppose consensus changes that medal tables should not be shown by default, then we will end up infoboxes showing nothing at all except the date of birth, or whatever else you may choose to add). On principle, technical reasons should never block consensus.

2. Be careful of cases such as Philip Noel-Baker, Baron Noel-Baker. He certailnly deserves an infobox, but it's definitely not going to be sportsperson, despite his winning an Olympic silver medal.

--NSH001 (talk) 14:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Added show-medals=yes. More comments coming soon. I am having lunch right now! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Be also aware that infobox sportsperson doesn't imply the person is an athlete. It's just an infobox to store quick information about the person. Infobox's name doesn't mean anything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't add infobox sportsperson if there is an other infobox present in the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Moreover, I only add to the pages that uses image placeholders i.e. the medal template is infobox-like. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Paring down excess parameters


Please see: Template talk:Multiple issues#Edit request 01 August 2011. There are 6 parameters there that could be moved into the depr. paras section. I'll keep a lookout for the articles that drop into the maint. cat. I know you're at wikimania, I'll be patient! --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. See you soon. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit on Talk:Brian Herbert


I just wanted to make sure you knew that both "blp" and "living" can be used in the parameter (see this edit). ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Someone added "living" a couple of days ago. Since this wasn't discussed in the talk page and the edit summary isn't that descriptive most likely the bots will get confused and it will result in duplicated parameters. I was thinking of a minor cleanup. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)



Please disregard the previous message - I had tricked myself with WikiBlame into thinking that Yobot had added vandalism to an article when it was actually an IP [6]. causa sui (talk) 19:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox handball biography


First of all I would like to say a big thanks for tidying the infobox – it looks much prettier than before :) However, as a checked out some bios, if there is no data given for the national years parameter, then the national team and matches/goals did not appear. I do not know whether it is my mistake (browser, etc.) or something is wrong with the template? Could you please check it? Thank you!

And regarding this issue, since you look experienced in this area, could you offer something how to fix the int. app./goals to be aligned to the right side of the infobox? Because as of now it follows closely the national team with only a small separation and I think it looks a bit ugly and a bit messy.

A third thing is that I just plan to cover the running season of some clubs and would like to ask if it would be possible to add an optional "current season" parameter to the handball club infobox? I really don't want to steal you valuable time as you definitely have a lot to do, but it would be very much appreciated. (Or a redirect to someone who is home in the topic.)

Thank you, Thehoboclown (talk) 12:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I guess the first two are done. I'll try to do the third one but it may take some time since I am on holidays. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick action. Enjoy your time! :) -- Thehoboclown (talk) 10:48, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Sidor Artemievič Kovpak ancestors on the run for assassination

Me and my brother Sibirian Artjom (named after Sydor's father Artjom) we are the youngest of the four Great grand anserters of Sydor Kovpak. We need help and or life is in danger. My father has made for us a social program this program is of social effort and is the fight to rescue Missing children in the Ukraine in or name! For this we survived assassinations and now we are in a situation that needs attention of all who are involved in Sydor’s vision and heroics acts for the Russian and Ukrainian people. I ask can you get in contact with us to listen to or story. Or email is and — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:25, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Yobot problem with misplaced captions


This edit by Yobot broke an image, by joining the filename to a misplaced caption. (It may be difficult for the bot to edit correctly in such a situation, but it should at least be able to detect the presence of the extra text and not edit when it finds any (and maybe flag the page for human attention).) --Zundark (talk) 12:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. I'll do something about it. I checked tenths of edits right now and I haven't noticed any more mistakes. We are almost done with the changes in infoboxes but I'll try to change the code for future use. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I've since found three more examples: Walker Evans (racer), Tighe Scott, Anastasia Malhotra. --Zundark (talk) 15:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Wow thanks. There were thousands of edits the last month. Please be bold and fix everything you find. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)



Task 15

On several articles, I accidently placed the name of the physical location of the book (like university or library) in the location parameter on the template:cite book, the location parameter was actually for the city of publication or printing, as I later found out.

I have been manually fixing my mistake by deleting the name of the university/library from the location parameter, and placing in the city in which the book was made, however, this is going to be tedious, I request you modify Yobot to fix this error, just program him to remove anything containing the words "university", or "library", from the location parameter, since the location parameter should only contain the name of a city.DÜNGÁNÈ (talk) 01:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Rjwilmsi is the best person to ask for something like that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox netball biography


Hi, Magioladitis. Were the changes you made to the infobox part of an effort to standardise sportsperson infoboxes? I've seen yours and WOSlinker's infobox subpages and was wondering if there was a more centralised discussion. The missing fields you mentioned to WOSlinker can be easily readded (minus the old <br>-delimited lists, which I'll be glad to update), but I wanted to know first if there were any more parameters that were set to be standardised. Cheers. Liveste (talkedits) 12:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, these changes are part of this effort. Can you please readd the missing parameters? I could then make minor fixes. No parameter names changes are needed. I put a lot of effort to use the same or similar parameters in all infoboxes. Thanks a lot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Check our progress in User:WOSlinker/Infoboxes. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist updates

For those articles in Category:Articles using Infobox musical artist with deprecated parameters, just wondering if some of the Born & Died params could be automatically replaced with birth_date & death_date where the start of the params value was { and the end of the value was } which would mean that the params value was probably just a birth or death date using {{birth date}} or {{death date and age}}. I had a look at the code in User:Yobot/Rugby and think that something similar to what is below might work. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

	private static readonly Regex Templ = Tools.NestedTemplateRegex(new List<string>("Infobox musical artist".Split(',')));
	public string ProcessArticle(string ArticleText, string ArticleTitle, int wikiNamespace, out string Summary, out bool Skip)
            Skip = false;
            Summary = "";
	      foreach(Match m in Templ.Matches(ArticleText))
                string TemplCall = m.Value, newValue = m.Value;
			string Born = Tools.GetTemplateParameterValue(TemplCall, "Born");
			string Died = Tools.GetTemplateParameterValue(TemplCall, "Died");

			if (Born.Substring(0,1)=="{" && Born.Substring(Born.Length - 1)=="}")
                        newValue = Tools.RenameTemplateParameter(newValue, "Born", "birth_date");
			if (Died.Substring(0,1)=="{" && Died.Substring(Died.Length - 1)=="}")
                        newValue = Tools.RenameTemplateParameter(newValue, "Died", "death_date");

            ArticleText = ArticleText.Replace(m.Value, newValue);
            return ArticleText;

It's buggy :( Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#ArgumentOutOfRangeException_in_CustomModule.ProcessArticle. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I think it was a problem when Born or Died was empty. Try this... -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
	private static readonly Regex Templ = Tools.NestedTemplateRegex(new List<string>("Infobox musical artist".Split(',')));
	public string ProcessArticle(string ArticleText, string ArticleTitle, int wikiNamespace, out string Summary, out bool Skip)
            Skip = false;
            Summary = "";
	      foreach(Match m in Templ.Matches(ArticleText))
                string TemplCall = m.Value, newValue = m.Value;
			string Born = Tools.GetTemplateParameterValue(TemplCall, "Born");
			string Died = Tools.GetTemplateParameterValue(TemplCall, "Died");

			if  (Born.Length>0) {
				if (Born.Substring(0,1)=="{" && Born.Substring(Born.Length - 1)=="}")
                        	newValue = Tools.RenameTemplateParameter(newValue, "Born", "birth_date");
			if  (Died.Length>0) {
				if (Died.Substring(0,1)=="{" && Died.Substring(Died.Length - 1)=="}")
        	                newValue = Tools.RenameTemplateParameter(newValue, "Died", "death_date");

            ArticleText = ArticleText.Replace(m.Value, newValue);
            return ArticleText;

 Done Finished this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Porting AWB in Jetpack

Hey dude! When you get back shot an introductory mail with the devs to see how we can kickstart the project :) See ya ! Ppapadeas 23:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppapadeas (talkcontribs)

Nice to hear from you. Still on holidays. Send me an email and I ll send you my mobile telephone number. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Yobot edit summaries


Could you please take a look at Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#General notice to bot owners about edit summaries and see if the suggestions might apply to your bot? Feel free to add your own suggestions and comments there too. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment


If you would run Ybot on the following article, 12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment, I would be ever so grateful! When you have time, running it all the List of Arkansas Civil War Confederate units would be outstanding! Thanks Aleutian06 (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Done all articles I found on the list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment

Would you please run Ybot on the 12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment. Running Ybot on the rest of the Arkansas Confederate Units as you have time would be a great help also! Thanks. Aleutian06 (talk) 19:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

the Lambrettas Mark Ellis seems to be a different guy as Flood


sorry for the random post to your talk page, but i'm not sure where else to go:

it seems wrongly says "From 1978-79 he was also the bassist for the Mod revival band The Lambrettas."

the Lambrettas' Mark Ellis seems to be a different guy as Flood, as per:

hope you can sort this out, thanks for your help

cheers, (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


  The WikiChevrons
For outstand work and dedication in the copy editing and general imrovement of articles related to the Arkansas National Guard! Aleutian06 (talk) 22:42, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:33, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:Multiple issues


I know you're busy, when you have time, please see: Template talk:Multiple issues#No footnotes for an update which removes the "grammer" parameter, which redirects to "copy edit" now, and adds the "no footnotes" parameter, plus other corrections to missing categories, wording, etc. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Done by Martin. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Superscripted ordinals

Hi Magio, are there any potential false positives you are aware of that I ought to avoid when normalising superscripts? --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 06:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Only the one that mentioned on the discussion (Ordinal indicator). Good luck and many thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
If the text before the sup ordinal is a number I think you won't have any problems. I encountered some crazy situations in math articles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I've added a line to my script. Will suck it and see... --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yobot making insignificant changes


Magioladitis, it looks as if Yobot is in some edits making insignificant, inconsequential changes only for the moment, e.g. [7][8][9][10]... It doesn't seem to introdcue any errors, so this is not urgent, but it shouldn't be making edits that have no actual improvements (category works just as well as Category). Fram (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

When I took this CHECKWIKI BRFa I promised to perform an one-off scan for all errors. This will only be done once to clear any backlogs. Some lists were not able to open to the toolserver due to huge backlog. Thanks for not stopping the bot. The task will be done in some hours. Check my logs and you will see I keep record of the insignificant tasks that are to be done only once. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

{{Molecular formula disambiguation}}


This seems to be another dab template Yobot doesn't know about - see this edit where Yobot has expanded the template name from {{MolFormDisambig}} but then inappropriately added {{stub}} and {{orphan}}. PamD 23:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Someone renamed the template just two weeks ago. rev 7837 fixes it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:24, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Broken men


Broken men is a one line stub with 4 notes and 4 references. The stub reads

"In Ireland and Scotland broken men were clansmen who no longer had any allegiance to their original clan and might be outlaws."

Your bot, Yobot, made the following edit:

17:30, 9 September 2011 Yobot (WP:CHECKWIKI error 18 fixes + general fixes (BRFA 15), added wikify tag using AWB)

Why did your bot place a three line (minimum, or 11 line maximum) box on the top of the page one line long? How did it come to the conclusion that there was anything wrong with the page and has it been doing similar things to other stubs? --PBS (talk) 12:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Now it's fine. Yobot won't retag the article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Did you resolve it for just this one page or did you tweak you algorithm for all such similar pages? -- PBS (talk) 15:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Only for this page. The page uses {{Sfn}} to import references. We have rules for {{Harv}} but I guess we need to expand them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
I user {{sfn}} a lot because it is shorter and it has the advantage of auto-magically combining identical tags making page maintenance easier. I have created several pages in the last week like this eg Shropshire in the English Civil War I only use harv and harvnb for notes were a quote or a summary of the reference is needed. -- PBS (talk) 01:05, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Sfn is very good. The only problem is that is hides the <ref> thing and a part of the text isn't considered a a reference by awb at the moment. Rjw has done similar fixes to awb's code in the past. I'll contact him. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. The other question is of course the inclusion of maintenance templates on stub pages. Personally I think that inter-editorial messages should be placed on the talk pages (which is what they are for) not in article space particularly with stubs as the stub template covers issues like this for the reader. There is no need to comment on this comment, as I am sure you have more pressing things to do than discuss this further with me. -- PBS (talk) 22:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
There were many discussions on the placement of maintenance tags (top, bottom, talk page, not at all). It seems that right now the majority thinks the article itself is the best choice. You can always initiate another discussion. I don't have a strong opinion, I am more concerned how to motivate editors actually fix the problems than just tag. I wish bot could do all the tagging. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

your university talk

I just looked at your talk. You need to warn people to have some eye bleach handy... I didn't know your photo would be there :) I wanted to say thank you for all your work on AWB. I have really enjoyed being a gnome using AWB. Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 03:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hehe. Wikipedia is not censored :) This kind of messages keep me going :) Thank you for the great work too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Glad to see your taking a Vacation. Its nice to get a break from Wikiwork from time to time. Good luck on finishing the PhD. Still got a few classes to finish for mine so it'll be a while. --Kumioko (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


Choose "Checkwiki error (number)" in the listmaker, enter the number of the error you want to fix, load the list and... that's all! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Here's list with all errors fixed by AWB: User:Magioladitis/AWB and CHECKWIKI -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Enjoy your wikibreak

Hi Magioladitis! Just noticed that you'll be taking a long wikibreak. Hope you'll enjoy it, and look forward to your return! GoingBatty (talk) 03:26, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Multiple issues#Remove "Citations Missing" parameter

  You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Multiple issues#Remove "Citations Missing" parameter. Funandtrvl (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

listas is cleaned out


Thanks to you for your bot code and helping me get the bot running, Category:Biography articles without listas parameter is now cleaned out. It most definitely couldn't have been done without you. Bgwhite (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

  Like That's great. I think we zeroed all big backlogs on biography articles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to spoil the party, but there is still work to be done. See, for instance, these diffs: [11] and [12]. I had intended, when I noticed this, to drop a note on Bgwhite's talk page (sorry, I really should have done this at the time, but got diverted), but was busy at the time, so just corrected this particular page, which happened to be on my watchlist.
It's OK to use a bot or other automated means to fill an empty listas from a correct DEFAULTSORT, or vice versa, but in general, foreign-language names cannot be analysed automatically - they can only be done manually. Moreover, they can only be done by someone who knows what he or she is doing. You can get an idea of the scope of the difficulty by looking at articles such as Spanish naming customs and Arabic name. It is really better not to use automated tools to fix these, as we are now left with no easy means of finding out which ones still need to be fixed. I think it would have been better to provide a list of missing "listas"s belonging to each relevant foreign-language WikiProject, and then draw each Project's attention to their particular list. --NSH001 (talk) 11:51, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree but take not that most of the job was done semi-automatically and not by a bot. There was a user's who clicked the Save button. Of course, now it's time to find mistakes and fix them. I am sure there are plenty. BgWhite did a wonderful job. I ask everyone to report mistakes in AWB's logic in order to improve it and reduce the number of pages that need human intervention. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:36, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Bgwhite has obviously put in a huge effort on this, but just to give a few examples of the sort of thing that is worrying me: (1) The example I gave above suggests that many more Spanish names may be wrong. (2) The guidance at WP:NAMESORT is far from complete. Arabic names are a nightmare (just look at all the sub-articles linked from Arabic names). There is some additional guidance at WP:AMOS#Alphabetization, but that is also incomplete (and consensus might change on part of it). (3) WP:NAMESORT mentions the example of Brazilian footballers, most (but not all) of whom are known by their first name, and should be sorted accordingly.
All this tends to reinforce the point that this sort of thing should be left to people who are familiar with the subject area, and know what they are doing. --NSH001 (talk) 15:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I am aware of Spanish/Portuguese naming convention. The edits you mention above... For number 7 (first one you mentioned), If you look, somebody else had manually entered the sort value in persondata and I only went with what another person had already added. If somebody has manually entered a sort value, then I don't override it unless there is evidence otherwise as they know the subject more than I do. For number 8 (second one you mentioned), I only removed the diacritics (per WP:NAMESORT) and did not change the sort order... Somebody else had already added defaultsort. In both cases, I did them manually and not a bot. No bot ever changes or adds values to defaultsort when I do it. The only time a bot ran with names to add in LISTAS value: 1) had an empty listas, 2) I go over "weird names" manually so the bot didn't do them (arabic, 3 or more word spanish/portuguse, Chinese/Vietnames/Korean/Cambodian, Icelandic, old Nordic/Welsh/Scottish/Irish, music acts and royalty). 3) While the bot was running, I was looking at the talk pages as they ran by in case from the talk page I could identify a weird one (one I had missed, Burmese, Malaysian, Sumo wrestler, Kabuki actor, Ethiopian, etc).
I have no doubt that I made mistakes. But before making accusations, please ask about what/why I did first. Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Oops, I wasn't making any "accusations", rather I was querying whether this was the right way of going about the job. I am amazed at the job you did, doing so many edits for so long, and so fast, and with what seems to be a fairly low error rate. And oops again, I should have noticed that someone had already added the DEFAULTSORT, so (as I said), you can't be faulted for this one case (I actually checked some of the sources, just to be doubly sure). I hope my remarks here might prompt someone to consider what more might be done to help fix the errors that will have inevitably slipped through. --NSH001 (talk) 07:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
That ok... I make enough mistakes on my own without people adding on ones I didn't make. I don't know about so fast. Took six or so months and alot of hours. I currently view most of the new living biographies (via here) and add the appropriate defaultsort/listas. Plus the ones people add WikiProject Biography to, but leave off listas or living. So, hopefully the vast majority of new articles have the right listas/defaultsort.
There are a ton of errors in current articles. I wish I knew how to find those out easily. Every once in awhile I'll do a category (Korean baseball player, Iranian footballers) for "fun" and correct the errors. There are some cases (without commas, diacritics or no space between the comma) that a bot type approach could work. There's already an automatic database report and bot that findd some diacritics and fixes them. Just wished there was a good way to find them. Bgwhite (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Please keep record of how you dealt the difficult cases.I would like to give a talk on the subject at the University and feedback would be more than welcome. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

GOCE subst template


I was wondering if you can direct me to someone or somewhere I can get help on creating a template for use on GOCE requests, similar to the current GA review template? It needs to do several jobs and I need to talk to someone about whether or not it is feasible and how to go about it.

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 21:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

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Remove field


Can you do me a favour and remove the skin_color field from the Template:Infobox adult biography? I did some cross-checking and this field is not present on the Infobox Model, so I think it's just a distraction in the larger picture. Tabercil (talk) 02:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know that Gender is also gone as well as several others. I added them to the deprecated parameters category and went through them a few days ago. --Kumioko (talk) 14:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Very good job! I am sorry for my late answers. Leaving infromation messages in my talk page is very nice of use. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox question

Greetings, there is an ongoing disussion regarding some infobox changes occurring about standardizing infobox's for federated states. I know that you are busy but if you have a chance I would like to hear what you think. --Kumioko (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Your idea of using modules is what came to my mind too. I think this discussion will conclude to use this idea sooner or later. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I knew you were on wikibreak and would check when you had the chance. I think we might want to consider adding the number of films parameter to Infobox person but I don't feel that strongly about it. The information should still be in the article. --Kumioko (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I am one of the most watched wikipedians

This means my page and my talk page should look nice. :) Any suggestions? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

You could do something like mine! Of course there are plenty of other good pages too. --Kumioko (talk) 18:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
You could check out Wikipedia:User page design center. Cloveapple (talk) 19:30, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
One word: Steal. Look at others, steal their design and use the excellent user page design center to tweak. Whatever you do, please don't put your photo anywhere on the page. Most people's stomach's couldn't handle it. :) Bgwhite (talk) 19:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
LOL. Thanks everyone. I'll try my best to make my page easier to read! -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Kingbotk plugin documentation

Greetings, I know your busy but I wanted to let you know that I was reading the documentation for the Kingbotk plugin and it seems a bit out of date. It doesn't look like it has been updated since 2008 and I know you did a lot of improvements. --Kumioko (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean User:Kingbotk/Plugin? I think I updated every time I was making an improvement/cahnge to KingbotK's code. I think we should move this page from Kinbotk's subpage to AWB's page at some point and toss the subesection about the bot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I think your right. I would also seuggest merging your To do task list and the Feature requests on the Kingbotk page to the AWB featured page. Although the AWB features page could use some pruning too. :-) I hope your enjoynig your break but I suspect your pretty busy. --Kumioko (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

List of Arkansas Civil War Confederate units


Would you run Ybot against List of Arkansas Civil War Confederate units when you have time. Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 20:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Since Magio is on break is there something in particular you wanted Yobot to check. I might be able to do it for him. --Kumioko (talk) 21:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Sure, in the past he has run Yobot agaist several my articles for general copyediting and cleaning up my poor attempts at refrencing. Aleutian06 (talk) 22:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
No problem, Its not as good as Yobot but I fixed a couple of things and added a couple things to the banners on the talk page. --Kumioko (talk) 00:44, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks!Aleutian06 (talk) 02:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll probably have a big Yobot run in the next days to reduce backlogs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

honorific suffix error

Your bot has an error, in this edit; taking the honorific suffix "JP" as the surname in both DEFAULTSORT and PERSONDATA. You could avoid this, at least in some cases, by checking against the infobox's |honorific_suffix=. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hm... this won't be easy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Yobot feedback

Hi. Thanks for running Yobot, it's great. Re this edit, I think the second amendment is understandable, but I reckon you could introduce a bit of code that would make it decide to keep either the comma or fullstop. At least it'd be right 50% of the time, but ,. is always going to be wrong! Also, what's the bot doing with Arsenal in that diff? (Just curious on that!) --Dweller (talk) 22:02, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the feedback. I have discussed on the ",." problem in the past with many editors. There are plenty of false positives and not a good idea for a bot to decide whether to choose comma or full stop. We need editors to search for ",." and fix the problem manually. (For example, in the past I have suggested that if the next letter is capital then we should use full stop but then the problem with human names occurred.). Of course I am open in suggestions based on cases with (almost) no false positives. In Arsenal the bot only removed the underscore to make the code more readable. --Magioladitis (talk) 12:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
AWB's general fix to move references after punctuation is fine for human editors using AWB, who can fix any ",." issues before saving the edit. Would it be reasonable/possible to exclude this general fix from bots? If not, I'll be happy to suggest that AWB not make a change at all if the result is ",." Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
That looks a sensible suggestion. --Dweller (talk) 22:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I think it's easier to locate things such as ",." in the text than searching for references that are between a comma and a full stop. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

no major thing but


everything the bot did in this edit was unhelpful. There is only one external link, and there will likely never be a second one. Don't know what triggered the {{wikify}}---if it is the number of wikilinks it should possibly be put in relation to the length of the article. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 11:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting. This section must always be named "External links". This is somewhere in the Manual of Style. I'll check the wikify thing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I added two more wikilinks to Namibia Economist, and made some more improvements. I also added an AWB feature request back in August to prevent addition of {{wikify}} for articles in a stub category. GoingBatty (talk) 21:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I love stalkers! :P -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, "External links" is always plural even if there is only one link. From WP:External links, "The heading should be "External links" (plural) even if only a single link is listed."
If Magioladitis loves stalkers, why the restraining orders on me? I just want to be around you. Oh, why did you have coffee in your kitchen this morning with no sugar? Oooops, there is no cameras in your house. None at all. Bgwhite (talk) 22:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Careful Bg, you know hes a math wiz. Once he finds that camera he can use the curvature of the earth, the doppler effect and the Electromagnetic properties of space-time to determine your exact fact he should be moving in very...just sit tight, he'll be there in a sec...:-) --Kumioko (talk) 11:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
You guys are hilarious :D Best wishes to everyone! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I looked up that "External links" thing--you're right, it's plural. I think I got it from an essay somewhere, my bad. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 06:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I think that yobot malfunctioned


I think that yobot malfunctioned with this edit [13]. It added a recently-removed top level (wikify) tag back on. This is just FYI, not an issue with me. North8000 (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi North8000. Yobot uses AutoWikiBrowser. which as part of its general fixes "Appends {{Wikify}} if article has < 3 wikilinks or the number of wikilinks is smaller than 0.25% of article's size." Since the article had no wikilinks at the time of Yobot's edit, AWB is working as designed. It appears that the wikify template was incorrectly removed in your edit when the article had zero wikilinks. I'm glad another user has added wikilinks to the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:37, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. Please add some more wikilinks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

False positive in data ranges?


Hi, User:Yobot edited Sporting Clube de Portugal#Presidents, changing "(2011–)" to "(born 2011)" in the list of presidents. The issue is that the ranges in that section are the ones during which these people held the office (and this one is the current president). As I am not sure if "(2011–)" is against any style rule, and as you say the bot may redo the edit if it's reverted, I'm leaving the page as is. Should I revert (after something has been flagged in the bot?) or change it to something else instead (perhaps "(since 2011)"?)? Nuno J. Silva (talk) 11:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. You are right. This is a bug and your report is wonderful. I will fix the bug soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Bug fixed! Check rev 7902. Rjwilmsi fixed it for us. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Nuno J. Silva (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

AWB Features and Bugs

I noticed you were going through and clearing out some of the features and bugs. I went through a week or so ago and made a listing here of some that I thought might have been done, were denied or I thought were OBE if it helps any. --Kumioko (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Can you try how KingbotK plugin behaves with comments please? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
No problem but it'll be a couple hours. Just getting ready to head somewhere. --Kumioko (talk) 21:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok I found a couple things. First when it hits some articles it generates an error stating the below. All articles that I got this one on do have comments but I'm not sure thats whats causing it:

Status   New
Message:Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
Call stack:
   at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowInvalidOperationException(ExceptionResource resource)
   at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2.Enumerator.MoveNext()
   at WikiFunctions.Logging.TraceManager.ProcessingArticle(String fullArticleTitle, Int32 ns)
   at AutoWikiBrowser.Logging.MyTrace.ProcessingArticle(String fullArticleTitle, Int32 ns)
   at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.PluginManager.ProcessArticle(IAutoWikiBrowser sender, IProcessArticleEventArgs eventargs)
   at WikiFunctions.Article.SendPageToPlugin(IAWBPlugin plugin, IAutoWikiBrowser sender)
   at AutoWikiBrowser.MainForm.ProcessPage(Article theArticle, Boolean mainProcess)

System.InvalidOperationException: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.

  at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowInvalidOperationException(ExceptionResource resource)
  at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2.Enumerator.MoveNext()
  at WikiFunctions.Logging.TraceManager.ProcessingArticle(String fullArticleTitle, Int32 ns)
  at AutoWikiBrowser.Logging.MyTrace.ProcessingArticle(String fullArticleTitle, Int32 ns)
  at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.PluginManager.ProcessArticle(IAutoWikiBrowser sender, IProcessArticleEventArgs eventargs)
  at WikiFunctions.Article.SendPageToPlugin(IAWBPlugin plugin, IAutoWikiBrowser sender)
  at AutoWikiBrowser.MainForm.ProcessPage(Article theArticle, Boolean mainProcess)
AWBPlugins AWBBasePlugins ListMakerPlugins
  • Kingbotk Plugin

Kumioko (talk) 17:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

To duplicate: [encountered while processing page [14]]
Site URL:
Operating system Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3
.NET FW Version 2.0.50727.3625
AWB version AutoWikiBrowser (, WikiFunctions (, revision 7893 (2011-12-24 19:04:59)
Fixed in version

The second is that when I use the plugin with my module enabled it crashes AWB about 4 out of 5 times. I think there is something with the plugin that doesn't like having modules enabled at the same time. --Kumioko (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC) A couple more things I just found.

  1. If I enable the assess button with the MILHIST plugin and it hits a page that does not have the MILHIST banner it gives me a parameeter: Value error.
  2. If you are on a talk page with the assess button checked, it gives a couple different errors. This is more of a feature request but could some logic be added that if its on the talk page it gives an intuitive message saying it needs the main article page?

Heres another error that I get quite a lot when I use the plugin but I don't know exactly why:

Status   New
Message:Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Call stack:
   at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.ManualAssessments.Assessments.StateClass.IsNextPage(String title)
   at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.ManualAssessments.Assessments.Reset()
   at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.PluginManager.StopButtonClickEventHandler(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.EventHandler.Invoke(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

  at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.ManualAssessments.Assessments.StateClass.IsNextPage(String title)
  at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.ManualAssessments.Assessments.Reset()
  at AutoWikiBrowser.Plugins.Kingbotk.PluginManager.StopButtonClickEventHandler(Object sender, EventArgs e)
  at System.EventHandler.Invoke(Object sender, EventArgs e)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
  at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
  at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
AWBPlugins AWBBasePlugins ListMakerPlugins
  • Kingbotk Plugin

Kumioko (talk) 17:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

To duplicate: Unknown
Site URL:
Operating system Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3
.NET FW Version 2.0.50727.3625
AWB version AutoWikiBrowser (, WikiFunctions (, revision 7893 (2011-12-24 19:04:59)
Fixed in version

Please let me know if you want me to move these over to the AWB page. --Kumioko (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Did you have some Custom Module activated? We have to be dure these bugs are originvting from the plugin and not from the custom module. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I didn't have it activated with the second error. I actually can't edit any articles with the plugin. Anytime it stops on a page it kicks out some kind of error whether I have a module enabled or not. I even just tried using a blank settings file with nothing in any of the find and replace fields. --Kumioko (talk) 18:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Yobot request


Yobot recently edited The Chronicon of Ademar of Chabannes, during which it changed the existing {{improve categories}} tag to {{uncategorized}}.

Normally, this would be perfectly fine, because technically the article was uncategorized rather than just being insufficiently categorized — however, there's another bot, User:SoxBot, which regularly goes around removing {{uncategorized}} from articles that have categories on them, and the problem is that the other bot doesn't know how to distinguish hidden maintenance categories from real content categories — if it sees any category at all, it removes the tag even if it belongs there. While I've asked Soxbot's maintainer to remove that task from Soxbot's programming more than once, the problem is still recurring — so the workaround, to date, has been to use the {{improve categories}} tag on such articles, even though the "uncategorized" tag is technically more correct, so that Soxbot wouldn't detag them prematurely.

Long story short, because the article has a hidden maintenance category on it, I used the "improve" tag to keep Soxbot away — but Yobot switched it to "uncat", with the result that Soxbot then came along and detagged the article, putting it right back on the uncategorized articles list again (which is exactly what I was trying to avoid by using "improve" instead of "uncat" in the first place.)

Accordingly, I was wondering if you could temporarily disable Yobot's ability to swap the "uncat" and "cat improve" tags, at least until Soxbot is reprogrammed to either learn how to distinguish between real categories and hidden ones or to not detag uncategorized articles at all. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Interesting story. I think the correct is to use {{nobots|bot=Soxbot}}. Yobot right now uses awb's built-in functions this means disactivating this feauture is only possible if I disactivate tagging all-together. I'll try to think of something more clever friom my side. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
I've asked SoxBot's maintainer to disable that function again, but no worries, I think I'm going to make a habit of automatically applying the nobots tag at the same time as the uncats when I batch through the uncategorized articles list. Bearcat (talk) 19:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Yobot's ibid tagging


Can you explain me please why Yobot tagged here the page with ibid? I don't see one of the variants and the refs are all ok... Regards, mabdul 01:07, 9 January 2012 (UTC) PS:I already removed the tag since I hope to clean up some of them.

(talk page stalker) - There were ibid references in the infobox, which I fixed with this edit. GoingBatty (talk) 02:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Pragmatic Works edits


Recently a new "This article is an orphan" banner has been added to the Pragmatic works wiki page. To resolve the issue, a couple of new relevant external links has been added each pointing to the sections within the page. Please review and reconsider casting your vote for the page being an orphan. Would appreciate if you could guide how to fix the problem and get the banner removed. Appreciate your time. Thanks. GeekyPuppy (talk) 16:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

You need to find pages that link to this page and add wikilinks that target the page you created. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I don't see any currently existing wiki page with links pointing to Pragmatic Works. Does that mean, some relevant wiki pages has be found out and then the links need to added there so as to work as link targeting Pragmatic works page? Help me understand. Any suggestion for relevant existing wiki pages? Appreciate your time. GeekyPuppy (talk) 09:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. I am not good on adding relevant links myself :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

wikimarkup in image captions


your edit broke the image caption here. I wouldn't have noticed, but this was one of the main points presented here. Note that even it had worked, a 'ol' is an ordered list, and should be replaced by '#' markup, while a 'ul' is an unordered list and should be replaced by '*'. Neither will work here, since wiki-markup doesn't work in image captions per the bug pointed out by Edokter. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Just for the record and for my stalkers, this is not an AWB bug but my own mistake. Mea culpa. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Removing spaces before closing ref tag


Hi, I notice that Yobot removes spaces before the closing </ref> tag, e.g. here. Does this come from WP:CHECKWIKI or from WP:GENFIXES? IMHO it's unnecessary and a nuisance as it clutters up the edit history, making it harder to review changes. I'd like to find out where I could challenge this.

At least it does not remove whitespace adjacent to pipes within citations, like some bots do. Please don't change that! – Fayenatic (talk) 17:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

The space you are mentioning is removed by general fixes since this space is not rendered. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
All examples in the Manual of Style have no trailing nor leading space. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Right, but where there are multiple citations, that space makes it easier for the human eye to see the end of one citation and the start of the next one. Is this open for debate, and if so where do you suggest I could raise it, please? – Fayenatic (talk) 17:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I would start from Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Leave a note there and ask fro opinions. Usually things written in the MoS have strong consensus but I've seen things changing over the years. Even if I disagree with you (I find the current style easier to read) I think you should give it a try and see what other editors think about it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:04, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I have raised this there. The earlier discussion there of Two vs. one space characters after terminal punctuation seems generally encouraging. – Fayenatic (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
For info: now taken to Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Spaces within citations. – Fayenatic (talk) 09:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Icelandic name sort

I'm trying to update WP:NAMESORT... Adding refs why something is done, set down language specific formats... Things I've learned along the way. The draft is at User:Bgwhite/Sandbox.

I've been doing Icelandic sorts as they are spelled as originally instructed by JimCubb. However, it looks like you were involved in a discussion about changing this (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Iceland#Sort_keys_for_Icelandic_names). The discussion came after my initial discussion with JimCubb. Unfortunately, JimCubb appears to be gone. So, what I currently have in my Sandbox is wrong and should be changed??? Bgwhite (talk) 18:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

It seems so. Great job though. I tried to do something like that in the past with no success. The main conclusion of the discussion on Icelandic names is the following: sort people from Iceland by patronymic names UNLESS the category is strictly Iceland related. This means defautlsort most probably be "patronymic, name" and sort keys should be added to Iceland related categories. I 'll read your job more carefully and I'll try to help as much as possible. -- Magioladitis (talk)

20:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I also asked Mandarax the same question at User talk:Mandarax#WP:NAMESORT and he gave his reply. Personally I'd go the old only because that is what is used in the "real" world, but I see the point of not doing it. So, I'll change the Icelandic section. The only thing I disagree with is the exception with Brazilian footballers (very last point on the sandbox page). User:ArtVandelay13 added the exception for Brazilian footballers this past June and I left a note on their page asking where the discussion took place. Any suggestions are extremely needed. Oh, I thought you were going to do a revamp of your talk/user page. How is that going? Bgwhite (talk) 21:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:) I did some changes already. Not big things though. I'll get better I hope when I add some colour and images. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Sinai and Palestine Campaign

Thanks for the general fixes made by Yobot using AWB (7922). Thought you might be interested in one instance when grouping citations - "Vol pp 426" was generated when it should have been something like "FallsVol2pp426–8".

This is not a criticism, I just wanted to mention a possible glitch in AWB (7922). In all other cases of grouped citations, I hasten to add, there was no other problems with AWB (7922). Thanks for your work, much appreciated.--Rskp (talk) 06:39, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Unneccessary de-shortcut edit

(Partly copied from User talk:Yobot) I saw that your bot changed the {{commonscat}} to {{commons category}} and IMHO entirely unneccessary but simply increase the history of minor bot edit. To my knowledge there's no policy or guideline discourage the use of template shortcut (or any redirect link), point me one if I was wrong. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 02:38, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Same here: the only edit in Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
This is how I work: I load lists from toolserver. Usually the lists are up-to-date and each page contains one non-trivial error to be fixed. Some reboot could result in me reloading a list I have already fixed and ad combining this with a change in the template redirects list after my bot run to force the bot only to bypass a single redirect. I apologise for this but reprogramming my bot and/or making more flexible edit summaries (things I've been asked in the past many times) requires time I won't have before May. I know you are both right in complaining and I'll try to fix this problem at some point. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Have you seen [15]? — Carl (CBM · talk) 23:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Wow that's very cool. Thanks CBM, I for one didn't know that was out there. I may take a look through those as well and try and help out. --Kumioko (talk) 23:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
This is a list created in 2010. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:29, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

AWB global user list

Hi there :-), I use AWB on a global scale with both my bot and my personal account - would it be okay to keep myself on the global list? I noticed your comment about it being only for devs but it would be extremely useful for updating small wikis etc. . (I've asked GW to re-add me for the time being, feel free to remove me) --Addihockey10 e-mail 20:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Small wikis allow bot mode anyway since they don't have approval lists. Global user list is for debugging purposes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

XmlException in PluginManager.LoadSettingsNewWay


I found the reason, the kingbotk plugin delete and new load solved it -->Typ932 T·C 22:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

That is the problem I suspected. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)



Re, [16], not sure what you meant to accomplish but it broke the hatnote. Cheers, Dave (talk) 01:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I was trying to use the standard dablink for this case. GoingBatty fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Bot action


Hi. Please make sure that the bot does not change again the "-->

" format solution. It is the only one which some ingenous users have come up with to make sure that the left indentation of the Greek fire paragraph is accurate. Thanks Gun Powder Ma (talk) 10:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I think I fixed it old and new version appear the same on my laptop. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Now fixed. I wasn't paying attention. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


See here, there should be a pipe between the number and the units. Frietjes (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. My mistake. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser rev 7941



You have recommended me to use the rev 7941 of AWB. However neither nor currently has this version. Where can I get it? Teyandee (talk) 06:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I think it is a bit of miscommunication. Magioladitis mentions the fix has gone into rev 7941. Unfortunately, he is not implying any version you can download. He's just mentioning that that fix is in and will be available when the next version comes out. Bgwhite (talk) 07:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I understand. I will be waiting for the version. Thank you. Teyandee (talk) 07:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Frank Cho


Hi. What's the source for the month and day of birth you added to the Frank Cho article? Nightscream (talk) 22:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I just fixed the infobox. The date was already in the infobox just in another format. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I see that now. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 22:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Multiple issues template usage suggestion

I have started a discussion about making the Multiple issues template the new cleanup template here. Since you have edited this template several times in the past I thought you might have some insight into this idea. --Kumioko (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

  hi! Poetrypromoter7 (talk) 00:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox NFL retired

Hello. I noticed your thread here while looking for a bot to convert {{Infobox NFL retired}} to {{Infobox NFL player}} (renamed from Infobox NFLactive). I can surely help you with the changes that need to be made to the NFL retired infoboxes to successfully convert them to NFL player fields. The notice at Template:Infobox NFL retired is correct, but there are a few more changes that need to be made.

  • The |heightft, |heightin, and |weight parameters should be included after the deathdate/place parameters.
  • After these parameters should follow |college, any draft parameters, and the debut/final year/team parameters.
  •  Done Any |AFLdraft parameter (year, round, pick) should be replaced with |afldraft (year, round, pick).
  •  Done The |highlights= should go under |teams= and |pastteams=
  •  Done The stat parameters (i.e. |stat1label=) should have the numbers after the words. For example, |statlabel1=.
  •   Not done HOF should be lowercase (hof).

If you are still willing to work on this and need more information, please let me know. Thanks, Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Started doing some stuff. I also think we should use a |height= that it will be for both inches and feet instead of 2 parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I saw the changes you made to {{Infobox NFL player}}, which is not what I was referring to in listing the bullets above. With the bullets I thought you would program your bot to make these changes to all articles with the {{Infobox NFL retired}} template. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes my bad. Fixing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

  1. Now changing afl parameters
  2. HOF seems to be uppercase in both infoboxes. Do you want them lowercase in both?
  3. highlights exists in both
  4. What do you think of me converting heightft and heighin in one parameter called "height"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
If HOF is uppercase in both, you can leave it as is. I forgot to finish my thoughts on |highlights=, which should go under |teams= and |pastteams=. How would the height parameter work? Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Height will be something like |height={{height|ft=3|in=4}} which results in 3 ft 4 in (1.02 m). -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Are we ready to move on to the next phase (statlabel/values)? Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Post in WP:BOTREQ. I'll try to help but I don't have a script for that yet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Alright, I've made the request. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I think I could just do it myself using AWB and a bot account. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I could do it for you if you provide me the script or the settings file. Or, you could ask for a bot and do it yourself. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I think I can write the script myself. I'll give it a try. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
What else needs to be done here? Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll have a look tomorrow. I think the most important is to search |birth_date= and put the place of birth in |birth_place=. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I've programmed that into AWB, but the issue is the |death_date= parameter and how to separate both. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm almost done with the |birth_date= and |death_date= fixes, I just now need to figure out how to make it so AWB realizes which parameter is which for the additions of |birth_place= and |death_place=. I saw Yobot fixed some stat parameters in {{Infobox NFL player}}. Was that all of them? Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
On the birth/death parameters: I would say: Search inside birth_date and replace <br> with |birth_place=.
On the parameter renaming: No. There are still lot of them. Do you want me to fix them? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
How do you search inside of a parameter? In the find and replace setting, it only allows you to search the entire text or in templates. You can fix the rest of the parameters if you're not busy, the BRFA has not immediately approved my bot for that task. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll finish fixing the rest of the parameters. Maybe you could ask in your BRFA for help to the other task, please? I'll have a look tomorrow by myself too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
User_talk:Rjwilmsi#Custom_module_help_needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing#Regex_help_requested. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
How do you program AWB so that if |birth_date=, |birth_place=, |death_date=, or |death_place= are not in the infobox, it adds it automatically? I noticed Yobot once went around and added parameters in this manner. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure if Yobot did that. Do you have a diff? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Maybe it wasn't Yobot then. Would you know how to do this though? Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll have a look in the weekend. I hoped you could solve this for me :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll try and let you know how I do. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:33, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you


Thank you for the work on the Military info boxes. The problem is that the military person template does not have a "Image_size" thing in it and when you remove the "File" from the template, some of the images turn out way too big in the infobox. I'm going to see if can fix the situation later today. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The infobox now supports image_size. Please use it when necessary. Default size is 200px. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you once more, I appreciate it. I had to do some real live things today, but once I got back I made the changes to numerous military bios. that I created. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
That's great. You saved me a lot of effort . -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Wiki break

Not bad for a wiki break... ;-) --Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 17:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Wikibreak in this case only means I am 24-7 online. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Dan Leno

Hi. I see that you had contributed to Dan Leno in the past. He was a well-known British musical comedy and music hall star around the 1890s. His article has recently been expanded and is headed for FA consideration. If you have time, please be so kind as to take a look at the article and comment at this Peer Review. Thanks for any assistance! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Question about AWB Bugs


Hi Magioladitis! I'm very pleased to see that the bug regarding merging templates into multiple issues was resolved. Just wondering why you removed the bug in this edit instead of archiving it? Also curious if the fix I mocked up was of any use. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to archive it... -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Your patch was partially helpful. It was based in an older revision and some things were missing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:58, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I moved the bug from the archive back to the bugs page, as the new SVN unfortunately didn't fix the problem.
If you're interested in having me be an AWB developer-in-training, please let me know. GoingBatty (talk) 00:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yobot spacing edits


Magioladitis, Yobot is making unnecessary edits to headline spacing within articles that are otherwise consistently spaced throughout (e.g. [17], [18], [19]). This does not appear to be a bot error, but an intentionally programmed parameter, as it seems to focus on the space following the "External links" section header. As I am sure you aware, consistently spaced headers are permitted by MOS, and the re-spacing of existing, consistently spaced articles is frowned on. In multiple examples from the past 24 hours, the re-spacing of a single header within an otherwise consistently spaced article was the only change made by the bot. I would be grateful if you would examine the bot's programming for this issue. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Reactivated "Skip if only whitespace fixed" option. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hm... is this enough? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Note to myself: "Include one blank line above the heading, and optionally one blank line below it, for readability in the edit window. (Only two or more consecutive blank lines will add more white space in the public appearance of the page.)". (MOS:HEADINGS) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Mag, Yobot is still hung up on spaces following the "External links" header: [20]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:29, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Different spacing problem. The one has to do with spacing after headings and the other with spacing before stubs. I have to go through all my settings files and turn on "skip if only whitespace is changed". Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
In the diff above there was also a redirect that was bypassed. Before stubs we need two newlines. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
If you had skip "Only casing is changed" turned on, would that have skipped the diff where the redirect was changed? GoingBatty (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I can give it a try... -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

AWB edit speed


I've been threatened to be taken to ANI because of the speed of my edits. User_talk:Bgwhite#Remove_WP_Sports_with_AWB Here is the discussion. I do 2-4 edits a minute on this problem.

Are my edits ok or should I be stopping these edits? Bgwhite (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I answered to your page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Do you have any code laying around that would do something similar to remove WP Sports? I can modify the code. Thank you for the kind words, but I do get reverted... I make mistakes like everybody else. Bgwhite (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
User:Magioladitis/Notes#Random_notes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

A kitten...


BoobyGold the 2 (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


Rotated image caused by recent {{Infobox writer}} change


I noticed today that the image in the infobox on Stefan Fatsis was appearing rotated on its side. After a bit of trial and error I noticed that the infobox template had no "image_size" param set; once I added an image_size param (of 200px, the supposed "default" value per the template's documentation) the image was rotated correctly. I noticed that a couple of weeks ago you made a change to this template that seems to have eliminated the "default" value.

The change I would suggest (and would make were this template not protected) would be to change line 7 of the template code from:

| image = {{#if:{{{image|}}}|[[File:{{{image}}}|{{px|{{{image_size|{{{imagesize|}}}}}}|frameless}}|alt={{{alt|}}}]]}}


| image = {{#if:{{{image|}}}|[[File:{{{image}}}|{{px|{{{image_size}}}|{{{imagesize}}}|200}}|alt={{{alt|}}}]]}}

This change should allow an editor to set either "image_size" or "imagesize" in the template and if neither is included will set the default width to 200px. Thanks! — DeeJayK (talk) 21:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll inform User:WOSlinker on that. We use frameless in all other infoboxes so something must be done if this causes problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there is something particular about this particular image that caused the issue, but I can't imagine this same issue is not occurring on many other pages as well. That said, I'm not an expert on wiki markup as it pertains to images by any stretch. At the very least, however, the template's documentation needs to be updated to reflect that "frameless" is the default value for "image_size". I've requested an edit on the Templates talk page as well. Thanks! — DeeJayK (talk) 21:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Great. Thanks!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)



Yobot added all of the |birth_place= parameters at the very bottom of the infoboxes, which is not good. The code I had set up for AWB moved that parameter right under |birth_date=. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

This doesn't change the final result. Rjwilmsi used built-in awb functions which made code faster. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't change the final result, but if a user wants to change the birthplace of a player, they won't be able to find it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Do you know any way for AWB to move the parameter? Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:30, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, moving a parameter is possible. I have to leave now. I'll be back in some hours and post a solution in your talk page or here. I am sorry that the result is what you exactly expected. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I almost have the code for it now. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

New AWB version

I was wondering if you could convert the SVN snapshot page to a Wikipedia page. That way people (i.e. me) can bookmark it and we would know when a new version was ready. I've been getting a new version when you told Kumioko about it, but I don't think that will be happening again. Bgwhite (talk) 23:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I use to monitor the SVN snapshot page to send me an email every time a new version is posted. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 05:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Keep it up! Those anonymous vandals are really annoying, good to see someone taking care of it. Math321 (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Shankaracharya


this one is a fork of template:infobox religious biography, so better to just delete it. Frietjes (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:17, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Yobot 9

I was thinking of doing something... Adding WP Biography, adding work-group, adding WP Football (and more), etc. Behold, Yobot 9 appears to do the same thing. Can I steal the code? Any problems you ran into? What is the best way to run? Plus dozens of other questions I haven't thought of yet. Bgwhite (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead. Steal the code. I happy to see someone doing these tasks instead of me. :) I usually load the appropriate category, put some "skip if contains" conditions and run with general fixes on and auto-tag and unicodify the whole page off. Usually there are no false positives. I have a list only in the case you use xxxx births and xxxx deaths categories for the pages that are for more than one person. If you run into more problems I can help by answering any questions you may have. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Where is the code? Seeing how you are in a giving mood, where is your money? Is the code for biographies just normal Kingbotk. The code for other just a small module adding the appropriate banner? What about adding sport-group or any other groups? What would be some skip conditions you normally use? Why is the sky blue? Bgwhite (talk) 22:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
LOL. I only use Kingbotk's normal settings. I usually run in Category:Footballers and its subcategories and set the plugin to add sport-goup. I have general fixes on and everything works fine. The trick is only in the selection of the appropriate category. The plugin needs heave rewriting but I have to wait Reedy for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I forgot that Kingbotk could add work groups. I was playing around with piece of your code trying to add work group. It will come in handy for something else. Not quite getting it yet, but will play around with it more. It brings up nice memories on helping grad students with their code, but then memories of professors float in and it becomes a nightmare. Bgwhite (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Unclosed galleries

This edit didn't exactly produce delightful results, and I figured it was worth bringing to your attention. Uncommon situation perhaps, but it is the second one of this type that I've encountered over the past couple of weeks.  -- WikHead (talk) 03:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. Maybe we should make a database scan to find more of these guys. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm guessing that the occurrence of these would probably be extremely rare, and can't blame the bot for being unprepared if/when they do. Pre-calculating a fix for every quirky scenario like this would be nearly impossible. Your bot IMO, has been doing a fantastic job! :)  -- WikHead (talk) 22:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
It's nice to hear that! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Hanoverian Royalty


could you orphan this one? I would but I can't see the contents since you already deleted it. Frietjes (talk) 22:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

section headers


careful, section headers should be preceded by a newline. Frietjes (talk) 17:08, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Reported to WP:AWB/B's bug page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


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