Magherbin

Ways to improve Biqulzar

Hello, Magherbin,

Thank you for creating Biqulzar.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

Can't access most of the sources, but the ones I can access do not mention Biqulzar. While their are mentions of the supposed variants of the names, there is no sourcing which says that these 3 variants all refer to the same place.

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Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:52, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

User:onel5969, which sources can you access? Magherbin (talk) 14:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi. After I sent you that message, I was able to figure out that I could look at the Jstor items. So here is what I see: #1 - which in the list on page 39, does not reference any of those names (the closest I see is Bequinot). #2, which does mention Biqulzar. #3, which does mention Bequlzar on page 6; #4 - mention of Bequl-zar; #5, which mentions Biqulzar; #6, mention of Baqul-zar in one of the footnotes; #7 & #8 - can't access; #9 - Biqulzar is mentioned; #10 - Bequlzar is mentioned; #11 - might have missed it, but I see no reference to this in any form in either the text or the footnotes on page 143; #12 - There are two mentions of a Beqwel Zar. So you see, in none of these sources is there a connection made between these different name variants. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:09, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

User:onel5969, thanks for the reponse. Source are not referring to other topics of the same name because despite the spelling being off, most sources refer to fourteenth century historian Ibn Fadlallah al-Umari description of the principalities of Ifat Sultanate and this same Bequlzar/Biqulzar/Baqulzar is mentioned as a state invaded by Emperor Amda Seyon during his known Ifat invasion. For "Bequlzar" variation mentioned twice on p.8 in this link [1] . Now the other variation this time "Biqulzar" is mentioned through Amda Seyon's campaign review and again, this time "Biqulzar" is stated to be a principality of Ifat mentioned by Al umari on p.513 [2]. Again another reference revolving around Amda Seyon's invasion into "Bequlzar" now spelt with an e but referring to the same topic [3]. This time "Baqulzar" with an A however again in the footnotes it only refers to Umari's description of the Ifat districts on p.75 [4]. Here is an accessible link since you stated u couldnt access ref #7 p.243 [5] which states "Baqulzar" in footnotes after mentioning Umari in the paragraph. BTW regarding reference #11 you had mentioned yes you're right I made an error its not on p.143 but p.144 as "Bequlzar" but again primary source leads to umari [6]. Hope its clear that all the various spellings of the topic sources used still refer to the primary references (Al Umaris) hence there's no reason to believe a possible different region being indicated by the authors. Magherbin (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Magherbin!

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Magherbin,
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Thanks you too! Magherbin (talk) 01:30, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Mordechai Abir moved to draftspace

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Argobba and their relationship with Christianity

It seems that you have yet to protest the inclusion of Ethiopian and Western academic sources that discuss the conversion of Argobba to Christianity. I will await for your response before I include it in the article. Replayerr (talk) 19:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Replayerr, you dont need to start a discussion before an edit everytime. Thanks for your recent contribution to Argobba people but they seem to have been forceful conversions not "embraced" as Pankhurst puts it. Magherbin (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Appreciate all your contributions of articles on the Horn of Africa, history, people, places, etc. You are an asset to the encyclopedia. Keep up the good work. jengod (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Jengod, my pleasure I appreciate the encouragement. Magherbin (talk) 19:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Zeila (historical region) is a very good article. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 03:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Magherbin (talk) 05:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

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Battle of Hazalo Edit conflict

It seems there was an edit war between me and you on the Battle of Hazalo article. I have evidence and sources to back it up: Michelle Gada Oromo won the battle, not Amir Nur and the Adal Sultanate. For example, in Mohamed Hassen's "The Oromo and the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia 1300-1700, he says, "The manner in which Bahrey compares the defeat of the Awssa with that of Amir Nur at Hazalo suggests that it was a major rout." Major rout meaning "an overwhelming defeat" or a "disorderly retreat of defeated troops." Meaning Amir Nur was defeated in the Battle of Hazalo. A link to that source is here.https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Oromo_and_the_Christian_Kingdom_of_E/fg1zCgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=battle+of+hazalo&pg=PA236&printsec=frontcover EthioWarriorHistoryPedia (talk) 04:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

EthioWarriorHistoryPedia, I agree that many of his troops were killed in the ambush but emir Nur's troops were still able to disperse the Oromo meaning Pyrrhic victory, this is agreed upon by the Encyclopaedia Aethiopica reference as well as the history of Harar one where it specifically states it was a double victory including Battle of Fatagar. Provide more sources that it was a labelled a defeat. It seems Hassan is only relying on the Abyssinian text by Aba bahrey and not actual Adal texts. Magherbin (talk) 04:54, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, in Paulo Milkias's book called Ethiopia," he mentions the Battle of Hazalo, saying, "The MIchile Gada age group made a surprise attack at Hazalo and annihilated the forces of Sultan Ali Nur." Annihilated means "To defeat or destroy utterly; or obliterate. It also says, "The defeat at Hazalo was so total that the Harar that had defied so many emperors of Ethiopia never rose again." In this case, total means devastating or crushing, and it's talking about Emir Nur because he was Sultan of Harar and Adal Sultanate, and Emir Nur was the one who returned to Harar.

Iink to this source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ethiopia/Iu9mnXhvSswC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=battle+of+hazalo&pg=PA211&printsec=frontcover EthioWarriorHistoryPedia (talk) 05:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

You need more than just 2 sources. Is Paulos Milkias also taking his sources from the texts of Aba Bahrey the Abyssinian? Did Aba have any links to Adal or Oromo? It seems this is second or third hand recounts. Why do other references i've listed dont consider this a defeat for the Adal since their leader was able to survive the attack and it states he fought off the Oromo. Magherbin (talk) 22:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Aba Bahrey had nothing to do with the Oromo or Adal. He was a chronicler, and he was tracking everything for the Oromo. I have two more references saying that Michele Gada defeated Nur and Adal. The first reference by Tesema Ta'a says that "The Barantu Oromo, who had been watching to exploit the situation, immediately fell upon the victorious Muslims at Hazalo and wiped them out." Wiping out means to rout or to annihilate, so it means defeating. The second reference I have is in Surafel Gelgelo's PDF called "HISTORY OF ETHIOPIA AND THE HORN (Hist. 1012)". He says it on a slide or page. 86 that, "The Michille (1554-62) scored victory over Hamalmal's force at Dago and Jan Amora forces as well as Adal led by Emir Nur Mujahiddin at Mount Hazalo." Proving that Michiles forces defeated Nur ibn Muhajid. If you have Adals texts that say Nur defeated them, send them.

First reference: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Political_Economy_of_an_African_Soci/_XwN2JdMYM4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=battle+of+hazalo&pg=PA27&printsec=frontcover

Second reference slide 86:https://handoutset.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/complete-handouts-A-History-of-Ethiopian-and-the-Horn-Hist1012.pdf EthioWarriorHistoryPedia (talk) 19:11, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok the edit is fine. Magherbin (talk) 04:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Amda Seyon's death

This might seem overly pedantic but on the Adal Sultanate article it states that "Christian tradition states Emperor Amda Seyon would eventually die in battle against the Adalites." However I think this ought to be removed because according to Richard Pankhurst it actually states the opposite.

At the close of this campaign, which, the chronicler claims was unprecedented in the country's history, Amda Seyon later returned to the highlands, never again to set foot in the Afar country (Adal). Its inhabitants apparently reverted to its isolation of the religious conflicts of the area, and do not reappear in the Ethiopian royal chronicles for over a century."[7]

Because there seems to be conflicting sources of his death I think it should be removed as it violates WP:WIKIVOICE.محرر البوق (talk) 04:44, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Chronicles are not to be trusted as they fabricate facts or omit especially about a death of a emperor, scholars like Taddesse Tamrat have explained this but I dont oppose its removal as i'm not interested in debating this. Magherbin (talk) 01:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Persitent edit warring by user

Hi, you contributed to Medri Bahri. Latley there have been persitent edit warring to that article, pushing view that goes against the discussion and RFC consensus of the users in past. I think you reported one user as a sock. I recently filed a SPI since I belive it's the same user. Could you provide your input. Leechjoel9 (talk) 15:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Leechjoel9, I think I edited that article last year not recently, try resolving it using some of the suggestions on WP:CONTENTDISPUTE. Regarding your SPI there was atleast multiple masters editing Medri Bahri see for ex; [8]. This user was simultaneously editing around the time the socks were active hence if it was a sock it would've been blocked by now. Magherbin (talk) 05:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Ethnicity

Greetings, where are you getting the sources for various individuals' ethnicity? This edit for example falls under WP:BLP (and I don't think growing up in what's now Amhara Region proves it). Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Its listed on the respective ethnic pages, I just realized it should be removed per MOS:ETHNICITY anyway. Magherbin (talk) 20:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Ethnicity in lead sections

Hi there, I'm just letting you know that your edits regarding various Ethiopian musicians denoting ethnicity are not in line with Wikipedia standards for denoting nationality. For example, Pelé is identified as "Brazilian", not "Afro-Brazilian", Rishi Sunak is identified as "British", not "Asian-British" or "British Asian", Martin Luther King Jr. is identified as "American" not "African-American", Zinedine Zidane is identified as "French", not "Algerian-French" or "Kabyle-French", etc. Nationality should not be listed as "ethnicity-nationality". Additionally, a lot of the ethnicities are unsourced, as many Ethiopians are of mixed ancestry, or are born to an ethnicity that does not correspond to region, meaning that the location of birth is not reliable enough of a source to identify ethnicity.

Ethnicity is also a contentious issue in Ethiopia, and it could be perceived as politically charged to identify with ethnicity in the lead section. Even Ethiopians who are known for ethnic nationalism such as Hachalu Hundessa are identified as simply "Ethiopian" rather than "Oromo" or "Oromo-Ethiopian". Nevertheless, nationality should not be denoted with ethnicity as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Context 128.226.252.89 (talk) 06:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Nationality edit reversions

Salutations, I am writing to inform you that your recent edits on several Ethiopia-related biography pages are not proper. As per MOS:ETHNICITY, ethnicity is not denoted in the lead section of a nationality. Your edits have been reverted in accordance with the standards. Jamalkemal (talk) 02:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)