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Two degrees of separation

I've just looked in at Histoire du soldat, where I find your recent star Edward Clark rubbing shoulders with my forthcoming one, Michael Flanders (coming soon to a Wikipedia article near you). I always like it when people from wholly different areas of expertise are unexpectedly found on the same page. Tim riley (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful synchronicity, Tim. My other wunderkind Werner Reinhart also pops up there.

I had a letter from Michael Flanders once. I had never heard of him or Swann before coming across the record of At the Drop of a Hat in a shop, and I bought it on spec, not knowing whether it was a good investment or not. Well, I played it to death for a while, as you can imagine (I still have it and it gets an airing now and then). I'm not one to write to celebrities, but for some reason a couple of years later I decided to write to him saying how much I had enjoyed the record. He wrote back promptly thanking me, and I remember him saying he hoped to return Down Under. This would have been in late 1974 or more likely early 1975 (I remember exactly where I was when I found the reply in my letter box, and I only moved to that address in November 74). Then he died in March 75.

I am a hoarder of all manner of things, but for some inexplicable reason I must have culled this letter out. I was in touch with someone who was writing Flanders' biography about 10 years ago, and he was very keen to access as much of his correspondence as he could get hold of, even simple fan mail like mine. I told him he was very welcome to the letter, but it seemed to have been disposed of because it's unknown to my "fantastic" filing system. Such is life. Go well. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:21, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

A mixture of delightful and regrettable! I wonder who the intending biographer was? I've had to manage without a book to hand. Do look in at the revised article and tinker ad lib. Tim riley (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, now you're in luck. It was Leon Berger, the administrator of the Flanders & Swann website. I emailed him in December 2003, as I was trying to get more info about Donald Swann's Russian background, and was wondering whether the name Swann was perhaps an anglicisation of something like Lebedev. Leon put me straight about that. I just mentioned in passing that I had once had a letter from Michael Flanders, and he then mentioned that he was "writing the authorised biography of Michael Flanders" and asked for a copy if I still had it. That was almost 10 years ago and I still have all that correspondence (apart from the letter). Do you know whether the authorised biography has emerged yet? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Plot twist revealed

Hello again. I saw your post at The Mousetrap thread at the ref desk and I thought I would share my experience with the twist in The Crying Game. I was living in Ketchikan Alaska at the time and the little twin movie theater there usually got new films nine months (or more) after there release in the lower 48. Well everyone - Siskel and Ebert along with other reviewers both TV and print - has been good about keeping the secret. Then about a month before the film made its way to us Homer Simpson mentioned the plot twist in one of The Simpson's episodes (I can't remember which one at the moment) and, while I still enjoyed the film the impact of it was diminished. The only thing to say was D'oh. Cheers and enjoy your week on wiki and off. MarnetteD | Talk 18:24, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I didn't manage to see the movie until about 2011. It was on a long list of "movies I missed but must get around to seeing some day", and of course I'd read various things about it, including the plot twist, but it still didn't mean much to me. When I finally saw it, on DVD, I was as unprepared for the plot twist as anybody was. A very cool movie. Time to watch it again, methinks. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I've just watched it again. The test of a well-made movie is that the plot twists have as much of an impact on those who already know them as on those who don't. It still works fine. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 07:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Good point and I am glad you enjoyed the film again. It has such a good cast and I always enjoy seeing Miranda Richardson no matter how small or big her role is. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 14:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

This film's Sleuth (1972 film) plot twist(s) still have an impact on me whenever I get to watch it. I think seeing Anthony Quayle and Keith Baxter in the original play would have been fascinating. MarnetteD | Talk 01:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I loved that movie. Only ever saw it once, at the movies on first release, and I've missed it whenever it's been on telly. I refused to see the 2007 remake on principle. Well, two principles, really: (a) If it was perfect the first time, don't remake it. (b) I'm allergic to Jude Law. He also remade Alfie, and if he's thinking he's a latter-day Michael Caine, he'd better think again. Still, Caine himself seemed to think the new Sleuth was far better than the critics gave it credit for. And apparently it was only loosely based in the Shaffer play, being totally rewritten by Harold Pinter. So, maybe I'll deign to give it a look some time. But I'm not holding my breath. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:24, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I can still remember seeing it on its original release at this theater [1]. One of Denver's long vanished movie palaces [2]. I've always enjoyed the fact that they credited Insp Doppler as Alec Cawthorne to hide the main plot twist. I haven't had the desire to see the updated version either but then I haven't been able to bring myself to see the film version of Brideshead Revisited and the five minutes of Tinker, Tailor ... (that I stumbled on channel surfing one night) left me cold. "If it was perfect the first time, don't remake it" puts it perfectly for me. MarnetteD | Talk 03:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Gustav Holst

I suppose I can't lure you from your FAC-resistant redoubt to look in at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gustav Holst/archive1? Any comments there would be most gratefully received. But of course quite understand if you prefer not. Best, as ever, Tim riley (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Richard the Pilgrim

Ched asked me about that article. I don't know much about saints. Any idea whether this "Richard the Pilgrim" is legit? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Australian Senate

In Australian federal election, 2013 you have deleted two important facts.

Firstly, the President of the Senate has no casting vote so and equal vote of 38-38 must fail.

Secondly, the number of votes need for a measure to pass is 39, as in 39-37.

Please put this information back. Tabletop (talk) 23:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I deleted them because this information is of no relevance to the 2013 election specifically. It is about how the Senate operates all the time, and has always operated. It is of no less relevance to any of the elections we've had since 1901, but it isn't mentioned in any of the earlier ones, so why is it suddenly important to mention it now? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Casting vote, etc.

You deleted the point about say casting vote from the 2013 Elections page.

But forgot to put it into the Australian Senate page.

This is sloppy. Tabletop (talk) 11:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I have added something about odd and even numbers in half-Senate elections, and the need to gain 57% to the vote to win and majority of seats in any state, which would be needed to win a majority of seats overall, and avoid perpetual deadlock. Tabletop (talk) 11:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Sloppy, schmoppy! "Castiing" - who's sloppy now?

It is not my responsibility to find the most appropriate target article for other editors' contributions. It is their responsibility. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 12:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

apology for my response on wp:reference desk(Peter de vries)

(Much later)Sorry! I now realize you weren't trying to be harsh with me Jack of Oz, you just wanted to know how i came up with my rather random seeming question.(For which, as you said, I gave no real reason).Also you just joked in a friendly way about coincidence. As for my reasons for suspecting it was modelled on de Vries, i read it so many months ago my reason was just a memory that I had had reasons, but thinking about it now, I've decided Herbert spent a lot of words, at least in my recollection, describing the character de Vries, and then had him die early on. In fact he may have described him more closely than many more important characters.It seemed like he was going after someone Sorry again!-Richard Peterson76.218.104.120 (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Not at all, Richard. Nothing to apologise for. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Shock!!! Kathleen Lindsay in Publishing Scandal!!!!

Thanks for your message - I replied (belatedly) on my talk page, complete with a New Revelation about Kathleen Lindsay. Thought I'd drop a note here in case you're not watching my talk page. Gwinva (talk) 22:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Answered there. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

BLP

Is this [3] appropriate given BLP? μηδείς (talk) 03:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Did you notice the smiley, indicating it was a joke, i.e. not meant to be taken seriously?

Would I have been the first person to have succumbed to the temptation of that particular wordplay? I rather think not.

Are you being somewhat overly uptight about such matters lately? I rather think so. You're getting into the preachy side of things now, while your own behaviour has received massive amounts of negative attention. Maybe that's what's driving you - a need for attention. I dunno, just a thought.

Maybe time for a wikibreak to refresh your spirit. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 04:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

No, I didn't see a smiley. I would still not have made the comment that you did, but if I had seen the smiley I wouldn't have pestered you about it. μηδείς (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Your resignation as Chief Pesterer would be welcomed by many. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome for the irony. You know my concern was impostuous. μηδείς (talk) 02:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I rather suspected it displayed a measure of imbonity. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 03:15, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Ping

Jack, I just finished reading Morris West's The Ambassador. Mate, your thoughts about this? Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

That's one I;ve never read, sorry. What's it like? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Not his best work. The first person narrator is a supposedly Zen Buddhist American career diplomat, which would seem unlikely to start with. The fictional South Vietnamese president is well drawn, as are the fictional Department of State and CIA advisers to the titular Ambassador. Greene's The Quiet American is obviously what it might be compared to. (Greene and West covered a lot of the same territory, but with different flavors: Greene was a quintessential Catholic angst-y Englishman, West was a quintessential Catholic angst-y Australian.) The novel gets unnecessarily wordy when West presents the interior monologues of the narrator, but I'd still say it's well worth a read.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Elijah Wood

u is jew ? u like jews and their world power ? why cover, or not know, or know but make unconscious after 2009 2011 page of e.wood is writed him jewish apprt. now? change, start of cover of influent , rich & powerful jews, half- , trace blood, one drop - ?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.50.52.76 (talk) 19:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

If he's Jewish, this will be recorded somewhere tangible - that means written down in a public document. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Secondary Source ?

Hello dear Jack: just a quick question: Would this be considered as an secondary or tertiary source to be used in the article? Also, this is quite interesting experiment in the history of the live piano performances for live animals and humans all together at the same time isn't? Do you think we should put few sentences mentioning this in the article? If you say it's useless then don't worry about it. Somebody suggested that one could write a good sentence in the introductory paragraph about this experiment with piggies... what do you think? Maybe using the word 'Gimmick' in the sentence would be good idea? Many thanks! Regards, Sausa (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I don't know the publication, but the article seems well written and genuine. I'd be inclined to include it. But unless he goes on to make playing to pigs his "calling card", so to speak, it is not suitable for the lede. His standard concert performances are what he's known for and what makes him notable. We don't need to get into whether this is a "gimmick" or not; just mention that he did this, is enough. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Britten

What ho, Jack! I've been working on the biography part of the Benjamin Britten article, with a view to getting it up to Featured Article in time for Britten's centenary in November. (Sjones23 is going to take care of the music section, which, Lord knows, needs taking care of!) If you would care to look in at the article and edit the biography side ad lib it will be esteemed a favour. No doubt we'll be knocking at your door again when the music section has had the treatment. – Tim riley (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Whitlam

Could you look over the recent series of edits on his article and also the talk page discussion?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:45, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Eddie Maguire

Please do not edit out factual material from the Eddie Maguire page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.75.44.46 (talk) 12:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Never heard of him. You may mean Eddie McGuire. And you may be referring to this. Best of luck, pal. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 13:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Stops

I know what you mean, Jack, and I shouldn't dream of trying to delete the full stop in Bos's article. Truth to tell, many English contributors (self included quite often) have not stood up to the American tide of what they call "periods" that look so antiquated to an English eye. We ought to (for English articles) but sometimes the line of least resistance is very tempting. I am a G&S addict, but I came to WP too late to save W S Gilbert from being clunkily titled W. S. Gilbert, though not even the stuffy old Times would have dreamt of putting the full stops in for many decades past. Tim riley (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Bless you! What a nice note to get on my talk page. Tim riley (talk) 20:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

About Dulcie Boling

Hello, Jack!
No prizes for guessing what I've been watching ABC iview. Would you like to work up that article to DYK status with me?
Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite and the vote of confidence, Pete.

The subject holds no interest for me, and I fear I'd not be able to give it the attention it deserves.

We artists must always go whither our creative winds blow us, pausing only for necessary sustenance and refreshment. And sex, of course. :) -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 12:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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Your input is requested

Since you know more on things Australian than most people at the RDs, I'd appreciate it if you could help with WP:RDH#LGAs_in_South_Australia. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 13:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

"Corruption" & the Order of Australia

Heads up: [4] [5] Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll keep an eye on it. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you, but I need comprehensive material worthy as references for a Wiki page. Hotridge (talk) 06:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

My contribution was just a starting point. I'm sure there's something you can use if you trawl through. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 06:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Please consider a different solution

Hello,

About the page on "Slava" Kagan-Paley you just moved, I fully agree on your concept, but please note that, for instance, singer Will.I.Am have a page under his nick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will.i.am), and that also Mr. Kagan-Paley uses his isolated nickname for his professional career. Particularly in his first recordings, as you may see in this "greatest hits": http://www.amazon.com/Very-Best-Slava-Vyatcheslav-Kagan-Paley/dp/B00005L94O/

Please consider to put some redirection or a similar solution.

Thank you, cheers,

F.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcast (talk • contribs) 12:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I've just created a redirect from Slava Kagan-Paley, so that should help anyone who looks for him under that name. But as it was before I intervened, people would have had to look under Vyatcheslav "Slava" Kagan-Paley, which is (a) a mouthful, (b) not his name, and (c) not in accordance with Wikipedia standards. For example, you would never see an article titled Mstislav "Slava" Rostropovich, or James "Jimmy" Stewart or Frank "Ol' Blue Eyes" Sinatra. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:33, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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/* Biography */ Added Maria Stuarda 1976 Victoria State Opera with ref

Hello, Ive been working on the VSO wiki entry and found some relevant facts related to June Bronhill. I last met her thru Audrey Duggan at a performance I was giving in Melbourne in 92(?). I hope you don't mind me adding the Maria Stuarda with Nance Grant. The great find is the recording http://www.operapassion.com/cd5954.html It was discovered by chance yesterday by former VSO music staffer Graham Cox.

All best wishes

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As long as it's appropriately sourced, I'm cool. I've had Nance Grant on my To Do list for years. I see she got an AM in the QBH. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Mancel Thornton Munn‎‎

Hello, I noticed that you recently made some changes to Mancel Thornton Munn‎‎, changing the sorting of his name to "Thornton Munn‎‎, Mancel". From my research, his last name is Munn, not Thornton Munn‎‎, and his standard author abbreviation "Munn" also seems to support that. Did you find something to the contrary? Thanks! - tucoxn\^talk 21:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

If you look at my next edit, made a minute after the one to which you refer, I corrected the sorting. My first edit was to insert a Defaultsort, as it was sorting under his first name Mancel. Then I corrected the surname as you indicate above. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:22, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for the reply at Talk:1975 Australian constitutional crisis#I do not understand the Parliamentary strategy section! stillnotelf is invisible 18:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Leigh Hunt

Thanks for reviving the Leigh Hunt vs. James Henry Leigh Hunt issue and initiating the page moves, which I see are now done. Sorry I didn't stick with this years ago. I guess I just had not at that time made myself sufficiently aware of Wikipedia policy on article names, and I accepted at face value the idea that we should follow the DNB rather than adhering to the most common form of the name. It also did not occur to me then that if I commented anyplace other than the article's talk page, the move to James Henry Leigh Hunt might go unnoticed as one that was by no means generally supported. --Alan W (talk) 05:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, Alan. Yes, I too learn new things about the byzantine workings of Wikipedia every day. I've only been here c. ten years, though.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 05:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I arrived only a few weeks after you. It's almost impossible to keep up with it all! Cheers, Alan W (talk) 05:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Shmith!

Ah-ha! I was just about to ask you to help me out with his article. Still can't find a reliable link for him being born in 1949. Any interest in Patrick McCaughey? (I started 'em both so there wouldn't any red-links in Theft of The Weeping Woman from the National Gallery of Victoria. Remember that?) Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Bernstein on Beethoven

That was very interesting. (I was Bernstein's catamite's personal assistant in the early 90's, BTW.) If you have any more such videos to recommend please do so, on my talk page or the appropriate ref desk page. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

The connections between famous and infamous people are fascinating, aren't they.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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your expertise

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Why_are_Christian_hymns_so_slow.2C_classical.2C_and_melodic.3F. μηδείς (talk) 18:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Predominate

Hi

Thanks for your spelling change in the lede of Henry Haig. I've no objection to your change but the accompanying comment, made in good faith I'm sure, seems to highlight a known controversy. Nitpicking aside, I hope you found the rest of the article worth reading. :) --KenBailey (talk) 07:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That's one view. Here's another. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 08:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm clearly showing my age. :) --KenBailey (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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John Gorton; Do not contact me again

Technically Gorton did not retire from Parliament at the 1975 election, he attempted instead to move back into the Senate as an Independent albeit unsuccessfully.

I would ask that you do not contact me under any circumstances. Any issues of articles I edited should be brought up at the articles concerned. 220.239.167.151 (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Under "any" circumstances? Literally none? Of course I cannot make such an all-encompassing promise. But as a general rule, I have no interest in or intention of contacting you in the forseeable future, so you should be safe. Unless your own actions require an extraordinary response. Go well. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)