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The sects in the Latter Day Saint movement are sometimes collectively referred to as Mormonism, although some sects are opposed to the use of this term, as they consider it to be derogatory. Though a few minuscule factions broke with Joseph Smith, Jr.'s Latter Day Saint movement during his lifetime, he retained the allegiance of the vast majority of Latter Day Saints until his murder in June 1844. Following Smith's death, his movement experienced a profound leadership crisis which led to a schism within his church. The largest group, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, followed Brigham Young (pictured), settling in what would become the Utah Territory. The second-largest faction, the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, coalesced around Joseph Smith III, eldest son of Joseph Smith, Jr. Other would-be leaders included the senior surviving member of the First Presidency, Sidney Rigdon; the newly-baptized James Strang from Wisconsin; and Alpheus Cutler, one of the Council of Fifty. Each of these men still retains a following.

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Mitt Romney (born 1947) is an American businessman who was Governor of Massachusetts from 2003 to 2007 and the Republican nominee for President of the United States in the 2012 election. He was raised in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, by his parents Lenore and George Romney, and spent two years in France as a Mormon missionary. He married Ann Davies in 1969, with whom he has had five children. After studying at Brigham Young and Harvard universities, he joined the management consultancy Bain & Company before co-founding the spin-off investment firm Bain Capital. He unsuccessfully ran as the Republican candidate in the 1994 Massachusetts election for Senate against Ted Kennedy. He relaunched his political career after successfully running the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics. Elected Governor of Massachusetts in 2002, he helped enact state health care reform legislation, the first of its kind in America. Romney won the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, becoming the first Mormon to be a major party presidential nominee, but lost the election to Barack Obama by a 332–206 electoral college margin and by 51–47 percent in the popular vote. (Full article...)

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the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

I need some help. User:Beyond My Ken has just reverted 30 insistence where pages have incorrectly used the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when "THE" is per MOS:LDS, "The" is part of the Name and capitalized. I could uses some help convincing him he is wrong.ARTEST4ECHO (talk)

Don't bother. The discussion on my talk page is closed. BMK (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

The discussion is now here--ARTEST4ECHO (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hi there. I just posted some thoughts about the name for the article about Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought over at Talk:Dialogue (journal)#Article name. I thought I'd let you know in case you have any comments or concerns. Thanks! ——Rich jj (talk) 17:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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I've been thinking of doing a modification of Template talk:LDS sects/Mormon fundamentalis. However it being such a big change, I though I would seek some input before making the change. If your interested in commenting, I would love to here from you at Template_talk:LDS_sects/Mormon_fundamentalist#Unweildy--- ARTEST4ECHO^(Talk) 21:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Be advised, re-creating an article about Benjamin Park is prohibited by WP:G4 unless the new version is substantially different than the old one. This returns to my above comment that it makes far more sense to work smarter than harder. Wikipedia might benefit from an article about Park in 100 years time once there has been more study on the subject. Being a partisan about it will only cloud your judgement and ruin your editing experience. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

About Park: Looking at the AfD, I consider the evidence borderline. By our usual interpretation, he would meet WP:PROF if he were editor in chief of Mormon Studies Review, orDialogue, not "associate editor. Using h index in the humanities is of course utterly absurd, but I have never been able to convince the people who keep using it. The question of whether his reviews are sufficiently influential can not be answered by cherry-picked quotations. My advice is to wait till he publishes a widely reviewed book--it's the only thing that really countsi n the humanities.

You may disagree, but I have consistently argued that for notability as an academic, only WP:PROF applies. The provision for the GNG is for notability in other aspects of a career. But my preference is to use the GNG as little as possible. I only use it in arguments because other people rely on it, and an argument is meant to convince other people. DGG ( talk ) 04:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Julie M. Smith

I would support sleeping an article on Julie M. Smith if created. I am not sure I feel up to spending the energy to create one. Another person who clearly needs an article is Grant Hardy. The article on him was deleted about 5 years ago. Since then his "undersranding the Book of Mormon" has had mutiole articles approaching it in multiple ways in one edition of the Maxwell Institute Book of Mormon journal. MichaelvamAustin in the 2015 edition of the Mormon Studies Review in his article "The Beief History and Perpetually Exciting Future of Mormon Literary Studies" does mention hardy in one paragraph as well as Paul C. Gutjahr. However he still gives more space to [[[Terryl Givens]] work. I have to admit right now I am more focused on creating an aeticle on Taniela B. Wokolo the new general authority from Fiji but and waiting until I have the time to coalesce all the sources on him.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

• Gutjahr is not even Mormon. His other works create an even broader base of scholarship. The lack of an article on him is not a good sign.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:04, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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I decided to take back my recommendation of speedy deletion after reviewing sources and realized the name was misspelled which was why I had an issue finding sources. I see you noticed that as well. Reb1981 (talk) 01:30, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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I warned you almost a year ago about this behavior. Wikipedia needs constructive, good-faith contributors. Re-creating deleted articles because you like to push a narrative is not helpful. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:48, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for this, too. I'm hoping they can tell me if I should take you to WP:AN about this. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. I know tensions are high, but I hope we can continue to work together productively. Are you familiar with how the BRD process works? One editor makes a bold edit, the other editor reverts, and then both editors discuss--without further reverts, excepting clear BLP violations (and vandalism etc.). What I've been seeing from you is that although you're willing to discuss, which is certainly appreciated, you are constantly re-reverting, as you did mostly recently today. This is explicitly not following BRD. ("If your bold edit was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version. ... If you re-revert, then you are no longer following BRD.") Your edit summary suggested that you misunderstood WP:BOLD. WP:BOLD is about the first edit, not about subsequent reverts. Can you please respect BRD from now on? It would go a long way toward reducing the tension. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:25, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

You did it again. Please stop. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 02:08, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

The main Picture of Inter-Korean Peace House

Hi Hodgdon's secret garden Thank you for your valuable contribution on Inter-Korean Peace House.
I tried to make the picture about 1.5 times bigger than now as it would be easier to see the building. (example: the same size of the Map of the Panmunjom Truce Village on the bottom) However, it was unavailable for my correction. Would you please be able to upscale the picture if possible?Goodtiming8871 (talk) 06:19, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response via mobile phone. Please take time and try it when you are an entirely convenient time and in front of the computer. I think that it might be the historical place in the world, and we could be one of the parts of contributions. :) Goodtiming8871 (talk) 06:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for your work on Great Mills High School, and your many other contributions to Wikipedia. I apologize for my edit comment, "get the facts straight." The facts were correct; it was only a matter of punctuation and my quick reading, where I initially read, "one shot fired by Gaskill and a 14-year old male student," to mean the 14-year old was also shooting. Thanks again for your work on this article. Comfr (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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	Good job expanding Joseph Bishop. Very unexpected when I reviewed that page. Legacypac (talk) 05:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok you seem to be a little obsessed with tweaking that section. The allegation section is too big compared to his life history. I suggest moving on to another topic. Legacypac (talk) 20:14, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

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You need to stop moving articles in the case of titles that are likely to be contentious/disputed. WP:Requested moves is clear about this. That is the proper channel to go through. In addition to your Mormon sex in chains case move, I will be reverting you on other moves if I see an issue or possible issue. We go by what WP:Article titles states. If you continue to move articles in this way, this is something I will address at WP:ANI. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:08, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

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I was wondering what your sourcing for Grow (I assume Matthew J. Grow, also known as Matthew Grow and Matt Grow) working on a biography of Brigham Young. I do not doubt that such as work is in progress (although considering that Ron Walker never produced a biography of Heber J. Grant, his work culminating in a BYU studies issue that was his work on Grant, even though back in 1985 the book Supporting Saints in its lead explaining Ronald W. Walker and his work his article on Rachel R. Grant (written for that volume, but first published in 1982 in Dialogue, an article related to Grant was published in the Ensign authored by Walker at least as early as 1979), in that intro it says "For several years he has been at work on a major biographical study of Heber J. Grant." Walker lived until 2016, but nothing that quite lived up to that billing was ever produced. So like Patrick Q. Mason's advertised biography of Ezra Taft Benson, and a true scholarly biography of David O. McKay (Prince's work still amounts to an at times overly focused set of essays, and they are basically about his life, Mary Jane Woodger has produced some significant scholarship on his education thought, and her biography of David O. McKay is a good writing especially for insight into his personal life, but not as comprehensive or scholarly as one would hope), I am very excited about the prospect of Grow producing a biography of Brigham Young, but not holding my breath either. Quality biogrpahies especially of figures who were so impactful on so much as was Brigham Young take a very long time. Both in the research phase and in the phase between first submission to a publisher, even submission of the final text and publication.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

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Dude - you can't change the choices and parameters as drastically as you did after people have already made their choices. I have reverted your changes.[1] You may add other images to the choices, but when you do, make sure they correspond with how people have already !voted. You will obviously want to re-indicate your support for whatever image since that was also reverted. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 22:11, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Seriously - please stop with your changes at the Loesch talk page. Add photos if you want for more choices, but you have to make them correspond with the responses that are already present. Please fix it - what you've done is complicate and confuse things. In short, your changes are disruptive. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 22:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

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Seems to have a couple of dead links, reference 5, and the official website. I looked around a bit, and this seems to be a nice, long article, but I don't speak Turkish. --GRuban (talk) 22:39, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

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Be careful on that page, there is a small group of editors weaponizing policy arguments to drown out and oppose the numerous requests to reword the article so it reflects both the "impeached" and "not technically impeached" views in a NPOV manner. They tried taking me to admin and calling me disruptive, but I called their bluff by highlighting the hypocrisy in their arguments. They were fully engaged in the debate, using media headlines to claim the "impeached" view is official and any other view is "fringe"...except they ignore the other policy that media headlines are not reliable sources. If you bring that up, they'll lose their minds.

I support your proposal of "WP ought give more weight to both interpretations than currently". While FL or OK law doesn't have any bearing on federal procedure, those judicial rulings and historical precedent (House of Commons procedure) cited by Feldman do have bearing on defining the procedural steps of an impeachment process, because the Constitution does not do that. A simple search will reveal dozens of reliable source articles which cite the "not technically impeached" viewpoint and many more that support it.

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Lol. David O. Johnson (talk) 05:17, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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