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Herrikez (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2020 (UTC) Okay, do it.

Rafael Manzano Prize‎

Hi, I had a look at your draft:Rafael Manzano Prize‎ following our conversation on New Classical Architecture and tweaked the intro a bit. However in the English Wikipedia "Articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject": see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewing_instructions#Step_2:_Notability_and_verifiability. As all the references about the award are to the award website, I think you will need to find several additional reliable independent sources to get through Articles for creation review. Also Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves says that "the great majority of any article must be drawn from independent sources." I am happy to (try to) answer any questions or you could also try the Wikipedia:Help desk. TSventon (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Herrikez (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Hey hello! Thanks, I didn't know that, first time creating a page. I can easily get external sources but they are most probably going to be in Portuguese or Spanish. Let's see if that is not a problem. Cheers.

Different Wikipedias have their own rules so you won't know everything at first. Spanish or Portuguese sources are not a problem, but the article needs several sources with significant coverage of the subject (at least a paragraph each). And they need to be high quality and independent, as explained in the reviewing instructions I linked to (you need to click "show" to see the details). TSventon (talk) 16:35, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Herrikez (talk) 16:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Thanks, I already changed the article to have many news sources, couldn't find anything in English, but in Portuguese and Spanish there is plenty. Fingers crossed. Thanks and take care!

Herrikez, good to see your article has finally been published! TSventon (talk) 22:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes! Thanks for your help TSventon! Cheers

I have also linked the English article to the Spanish and Portuguese ones and merged the two versions of the Spanish article. TSventon (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I noticed the 2 Spanish versions bu didn't know how to fuse them.Herrikez (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Are you hoping to add articles for some of the winners? Until then it would be possible to add interlanguage links like Ignacio Medina y Fernández de Córdoba. TSventon (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

That is a good idea, I do not know enough about the winners to be confident in doing a page for them. I did a page for Antonio Maria Braga because he has worked in some public buildings listed on Wikipedia, so I had something to add to his page. Herrikez (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

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Neutral point of view

Hi, I don't want to derail the conversation at WikiProject Architecture‎ so I am posting on your talkpage instead. You are putting in a lot of work into finding sources for "New Classical architecture", so I strongly recommend reading Wikipedia:Neutral point of view to focus your work. It is fairly short and one of Wikipedia's three "core policies". (The other two, Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability are also useful.)

For example the section on Due and undue weight, WP:UNDUE, is relevant to whether we should use Robert Stern's book "Modern Classicism" as a template for the article. The section says "If a viewpoint is in the majority, then it should be easy to substantiate it with reference to commonly accepted reference texts".

The section on Explanation of the neutral point of view, WP:WIKIVOICE, is relevant to using Demetri Porphyrios' book, "Classicism is not a Style" as a source.

The section on article names, WP:POVNAMING, links to Wikipedia:Article titles which is essential reading when discussing article names.

My interest in the article is to see how it can improved, which means applying the three core policies. TSventon (talk) 13:43, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

TSventon, look, I have made my arguments, I just find a bit pointless to have page called "New Classical architecture" and write it simply as a page about "Classical architecture" that is new. If your evaluation your correct, then our best thing course of action is to delete the page. We don't have a page about "Islamic architecture" that is new, or about "Gothic architecture" that is new, then why should we have a page about "Classical architecture" that is new?

I admit that I like the page because it made me interested in architecture, and interested in participating on wikipedia, so I cannot be neutral in this case.

My proposals was simply an attempt to maintain the contents in a way that makes sense bibliographically. It was an informative research anyway, so worth it.

Herrikez, are you saying that you are not interested in Wikipedia's policies on Neutral point of view and Article titles? (Or am I misunderstanding you?) NPOV does not mean that editors should not have their own opinions (if it did it would be difficult to write an article about Donald Trump). As it happens, I am fairly neutral on "New Classical architecture", but would prefer to have an article based on reliable sources.

There are sections on recent Classical (Neoclassical architecture#Today), Gothic (Gothic Revival architecture#20th century) and Islamic (Islamic architecture#Contemporary Muslim architects) architecture and any of those sections could be spun off into a separate sub-article if there was enough material. TSventon (talk) 11:21, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

TSventon And yet none did.

BTW, I found this ref, so it seems that New Classical architecture is actually a thing, and is more or less what you describe. Now that I have a reliable source for what New Classical architecture actually is, I will provide no further opposition to your review.

I just thought that there could be something on those books that described "New Classical" architecture as something different, and as I don't have have access to those books, I trusted the original authors more than I trust you.

I am sure there is plenty of scope for an article on Contemporary Islamic architecture, but I don't have the knowledge to write it.

Thanks for finding The Oxford Dictionary of Architecture's section on New Classicism. (I notice that Craig Hamilton and Thomas Gordon Smith don't seem to have their own articles yet.)

I am quite happy that you don't trust me as much as published sources as Wikipedia is based on published sources. TSventon (talk) 15:16, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

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Welcome to wikipedia, but

I don't think adding the category 'bibliography articles without infoboxes' to Jaquelin Robertson is controversial. i find it a convenient way to mark articles that do not have the template 'infobox architect' yet. Can you explain why you rejected the change? Thanks Fred (talk) 23:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Maybe you are interested in the wiki project for architecture [[1]].

Fred I just saw that the list of pages in that category and most of them where talkpages, not mainpages, so I thought that it was a mistake. Also, I find it bit weird to have that information in the page that is most accessible to the public, since it is mostly a category for internal organization and communication, not really related with the content of the page. If you check it, you can see that I didn't delete it, I just transferred it to the talkpage. If you really confident that you are doing it the correct way, I will not oppose you putting it back. Cheers Herrikez (talk) 07:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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What about secondary sources? Herrikez (talk) 18:36, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

The sources you have cited are not secondary academic sources. They are news outlets. I think this is something we will need to have a discussion about on the Akshardham page as I believe Vikram Lall was not the one/only designer of the monument. Till then we will keep the information off as it is not accurate or given by an accurate/reliable sources. Apollo1203 (talk) 23:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Newsources are considered reliable sources in every Wikipedia page (unless there is something clearly wrong with them). If Vikram Lall is just one of the designers, we can had the other ones when we have the information about them (we can instead had the name of his company and team, if you prefer). I can agree that we need someone to mediate this, because otherwise I will keep reversing your edits and vice-versa. But I prefer to go to consult with the architecture group because there are plenty of people interested in the topic Herrikez (talk) 07:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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And the same goes for Category:Neohistoricist architects. Please stop doing this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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