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A barnstar for you!Edit

Administrator Barnstar Hires.png The Admin's Barnstar
This was not as bad of an AN/I report as you made it out to be. I appreciate that you stood up for your convictions while trying to keep the project civil. Obviously, not all blocks are going to be ringers. Face-wink.svg

Please, keep up the good work! –MJLTalk 20:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, that was very sweet. <3 Haukur (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm so very glad to have been the catalyst that brought such a nice couple together. EEng 03:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Stained glass PendaEdit

If you don't have any joy with your email to the cathedral, drop me a line and I'll buy it and send on to you. Best of luck! ——SerialNumber54129 08:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me and for your generous offer! I just sent them a nice e-mail now, I'll let you know if they reply. Haukur (talk) 09:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
I still haven't heard back. I guess they could be understaffed this time of year. Haukur (talk) 11:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Mad Mike AfDEdit

Jeez, is there any way to alienate most of the human race he didn't follow? He's marginal, but on the notable side of marginal (but not for the IMDb listing; heck, I'm in the IMDb), and I have said so. And I'm a SJW, Quaker social democrat and proud friend of lots of GLBT folks, as well as an avid reader and reviewer (ask Toni or Eric) of Baen books. People are complicated. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Hoyt apparently waiting for a simple consensus to close was asking too muchEdit

You know what? You do whatever needs to be done, I'm washing my hands of it. I tried to ask for a simple consensus of what the next step was and even that apparently is too much to ask while someone is coming in accusing me of "targeting conservative authors" or some bullshit they're doing coordinated straight from [1] [2]. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 16:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

AfD can be pretty upsetting and I hope we can come up with some way to make these discussions less confrontational. I do think there are legitimate concerns with the Hoyt article and hopefully people will continue working on it. The article talk page might be the most appropriate venue for now. I had forgotten (or never knew) that according to Wikipedia:Peer_review/guidelines "Articles must be free of major cleanup banners" before being taken there. So the first thing to do would be to see if the cleanup banner that is there now is justified and, if so, what could be done about it. But if you want to take a break from this now that's very understandable. Haukur (talk) 16:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I just requested protection for two pages after it looks like Williamson's off-wiki harassment campaign attempted to dishonestly suggest one of them to keep up this "waah they are attacking conservative authors" bullshit. Oh and been called a "dog-fellators at Wikipee" by Williamson today too so there's that. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 16:43, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
<3 Haukur (talk) 16:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Ok nope, done. [3]. That plus being called a "dog fellator", I quit. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 16:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Just letting you know now, I am saddened to see that you weren't really interested in honest discussions, especially so by your encouraging Edgar181 to cast aspersions at me. [4]. Especially after the numerous slurs that were thrown at me in the AFDs, the fact that someone tried to call my workplace to harass me, and knowing that someone already "investigated" me and I'm no sockpuppet. [5]. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 05:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't see how I encouraged any such thing. I have never called you a sockpuppet or, as far as I can see, said anything negative at all about you. I am saddened to hear about someone calling your workplace. Haukur (talk) 06:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your hard workEdit

I wanted to thank you for not joining the delete bandwagon on at least Michael Z. Williamson, but instead working hard to improve the article. I'm still thoroughly convinced that it was the first of a purge of conservative SF authors, and happy that the article was ultimately kept. I hope that, contrary to the suggestion at the end of the no consensus ruling, that this sleeping dog is finally left to lie. The work you've done goes a long way toward that end. Thanks. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 11:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll respond further at your talk page. Haukur (talk) 11:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
And thank you even more for the work on Tom Kratman. You have done Wikipedia a great service. My hope is that the flurry of deletions will die down and we can all go back to doing more productive things. Should the occasion ever arise, I owe you a bottle of your favorite potable. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 02:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Come visit Iceland and drinks are on me :) Haukur (talk) 10:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Could you lend a hand?Edit

Please see if there is anything you can provide to help resolve this discussion. Thanks. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I read it and added the page to my watchlist but don't think I have anything to add at the moment. I agree with you that the key point for us is what third party reliable sources are doing. Haukur (talk) 23:13, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

You've got mailEdit

Hello, Haukurth. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


Wow! You're amazing! Should I send you my address? Or do you want to make use of this yourself? :) Haukur (talk) 12:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

No, it's all yours :) don't get your hopes up, it's not very big! Yes, please do so. ——SerialNumber54129 12:32, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


I see that you retracted your !Vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rosemary Crossley. You should know that at this moment there is no evidence that Rosemary Crossly is notable for anything other than promoting facilitated communication and working with people who use it. One editor keeps making the claim that she is notable for other things, but hasn't backed it up with sources. I don't know if this changes anything, but I thought it was relevant. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 14:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Pistols at dawnEdit

My German's a little rusty but I think at this point I'm supposed to challenge you to pistols at dawn. EEng 17:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC) P.S. I would appreciate your not saying I threatened you with guns.

I've totally lost the plot here. German? Guns? Haukur (talk) 17:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
It's a deadpan joke. You say something in French, I say, "Sorry, my German's a little rusty". Ha ha ha ha. It's partly a way of diverting attention from the fact that I can't understand a word of French. EEng 03:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I see, I probably should have figured. But despite this little hiccup I give us a collective A for this duelling exchange. Very decent "friendly banter don't block" stuff. For what it's worth the Nostradamus quote means "They will be equal in nature but very different in faith." I thought this was apposite but it isn't really that apposite and I let my fondness for this quote lead me astray. I give myself a C+ here at best. Haukur (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
But can I assume you will be wearing your breeches of civility? Haukur (talk) 23:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I've been meaning to complement you on that one. EEng 03:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, I was pretty happy with this one too as a little tribute to your style of humor. Haukur (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
One of my several styles. You only see the one I use on Wikipedia. EEng 22:28, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


Merlin working on the sources for Phineas Gage.

I'll show some charity when with the RfC ending with six weeks' work by ten editors being restored i.e. this edit [6] is reverted. As far as E.C. goes, search Talk:Moors murders for the word oneupmanship (not oneupsmanship – he spelled it wrong), and also see my posts near the beginning, and the end, of the thread here [7].

BTW, if you want to see my idea of real research and careful sourcing, see Phineas Gage or Widener Library (the latter being, BTW, where I got all the sources). EEng 03:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

This is like a dispatch from some alternate universe Wikipedia. What mighty sourcerer came up with this system? Haukur (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
If you mean the format of the reference callouts, like this[B2]:5, and the alphabetized bibliography grouped as For general readers etc., that was me and the matchless Mirokado -- see Talk:Phineas_Gage/Archive_7#Together_again!. If you mean the meticulous research and sourcing, that was me. An important topic like M.M.s deserves that level of attention. EEng 00:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
I removed the electric chair. It's actually interesting to compare this with the duelling guns. I thought the guns were fine. They're so quaint and cute and remote from any present reality that the message can't be taken as genuinely threatening or distressing. I'm happy to play along and even add more 18th century claptrap. But the chair just feels gross and sad and the image is too graphic for my tastes.
On the other hand, I feel there could be a lot of comedic potential in a routine where I am continually hatching new schemes to get you blocked and you always manage to nimbly escape at the last second. Haukur (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Here I wanted to insert an image of The Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote, but I couldn't find a free one. <BEEP BEEP!> EEng 22:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the post on WP:RXEdit

Sent the email. Also, "You are very lucky that this is still here," the librarian told me, "we've been throwing away this sort of thing" - is that sort of material really so unpopular? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I gathered that "just abstracts" were felt to be useless, I don't know. Seemed like a very information dense slab of paper to me.
The University of Iceland is supposedly decent on geology but sadly this was the only one of your requests that I was able to find. Haukur (talk) 20:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Received, thanks. It's probably a problem because an University of Iceland will probably cover Iceland's volcanoes first, not the American ones. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


Far be it from me, as you obviously rank about 1000x higher on the WP food chain than I do, but I agree with Shemtov 613, who inserted the report about President Trump's interest in buying Greenland into the Greenland WP article. According to the WSJ article, the US made two prior attempts to buy the island from Denmark, once in 1867, and the other in the 1950s. I certainly think this is all worth reporting. One paragraph or so relating all that information would make up a tiny percentage of the Greenland article, and I would think that this is certainly relevant information, especially if one includes the part about Denmark apparently tiring of spending significant sums there. Vcuttolo (talk) 07:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Don't feel you have to show me deference here but I'd be happy to discuss my thinking on this. By inserting a sentence on Trump's idea into the end of the history section it makes it sound like this is the most significant thing that happened in Greenlandic history for the last 10 years. And it really is not, this is just some little idea that will go nowhere and affect nothing. At this stage it feels to me like WP:NOTNEWS applies, along with WP:UNDUE.
It's true that this is an idea that has been pursued with more seriousness in the past and there would be nothing wrong with writing about that. There's probably even enough material for a separate article on Attempts by the United States to purchase Greenland and it would be fine to deal with Trump's version of this there. Haukur (talk) 07:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I've discussed this further elsewhere but for the sake of clarity I wanted to add a note here that Denmark–United States relations seems like a good place for this to me and a separate article probably isn't needed at this stage. Haukur (talk) 22:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


Thank you for your thanks. Is there an Icelandic spelling of the word? Bishonen | talk 10:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC).

Sadly, I don't think so! We have hlaðborð but that can also be used for buffet more generally. Haukur (talk) 11:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
For julbord we say jólahlaðborð. Haukur (talk) 11:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Jólahlaðborð? That's a beautiful word. I hope there's lutfisk on the borð. Or hákarl, perhaps? Bishonen | talk 11:15, 3 September 2019 (UTC).
There'll certainly be hákarl on the þorrahlaðborð. I'm partial to it myself. For strongly smelling fish around Yule you might have to settle for fermented skate on Thorlac's mass. Haukur (talk) 11:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Huh. As a Harvard freshman I was taught that Yule men stink, and finally I know why. EEng 16:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I tried hákarl when I hitchhiked in Iceland in my youth (early 19th century). For me, the description sounded quite mouth-watering — I'm very partial to the ammonia flavour of salmiak liquorice and aged gorgonzola. Ammonia's good. But hákarl, disappointingly, I found horrible. 😝 Apparently I'm not as hardcore as I like to think. Bishonen | talk 11:10, 4 September 2019 (UTC).

Gilles ChiassonEdit

The deletion of a Broadway actor's article, even after conducting WP:BEFORE, could be controversial. Please go to WP:AfD. Bearian (talk) 19:11, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for de-proding it, I think I was moving too quickly here. Haukur (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Million AwardEdit

Tutankhamun is an article that receives over one million pageviews per year as a Level 4 Vital Article. Thanks for contributing towards raising this articles rating!

 This user won the Million Award for bringing Tutankhamun to Good Article status.

--Mark Miller (talk) 23:13, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Taking Tiberius to FAEdit

Hey Haukurth,

Would you like to do as The Rambling Man has suggested and take Tiberius to FA once it passes GA? I think it has a decent shot at passing. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Sure, we could do that. While on the subject, I still kind of think we should rename the article since 'David' is used much more by the sources than 'Tiberius'. For a while I liked David Tiberius but I don't think there's any primary source that actually calls him that so maybe that's a bit misleading (as I think you already pointed out). But David (son of Heraclius) might work. Haukur (talk) 14:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Generally speaking, the imperial name always takes priority, even if they only hold the title for a few days. I'm not strongly vested in David vs. Tiberius, but it would break a lot of precedent. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:15, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Richard Stallman Edit RevertEdit

You reverted my Stallman edit and cited the reliable sources page. I cited The Verge. The Verge is listed as a reliable source. All 3 other sources I cited were primary sources, ie, direct accounts either from Stallman or his coworkers, and one would think inherently reliable.

Surely, this was a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

It is possible that there are or will be secondary sources of adequate quality for Wikipedia to mention this event. But we can't do original research to draw novel conclusions or tie together information from two sources.
As for the Vice source, note how misleading and sensationalist it is: Stallman Described Epstein Victims As 'Entirely Willing'. The actual quote is not on "Epstein Victims" in general but on one particular person. And he wasn't saying that she was actually willing but that "the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing" because of Epstein's coercion. Now, this may still be a dumb thing to say but it's a very different thing than that Vice headline says. Haukur (talk) 21:39, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Narsaq stickEdit

 On 17 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Narsaq stick, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Narsaq stick was the first Viking Age runic artifact discovered in Greenland? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Narsaq stick. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Narsaq stick), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 12:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Max MataEdit

Is it possible to keep this deleted page as a user subpage of User:Mrsmiis / ... (the creator); or mine if I can not request it on behalf of others. It would make it much easier to recreate the page when the notabilty is reached. Thank you. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, does User:Pelmeen10/Max Mata look right? Haukur (talk) 20:55, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Agreed - cheers Pelmeen10 and Haukur! Mrsmiis (talk) 01:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Was the deletion of my name from the list of "List of writers from peoples indigenous to the Americas" appropriate?Edit

I am still a citizen of the federally recognized Cherokee Nation, and I am still an author.

I cannot change it because of Wikipedia's COI.

Phil Konstantin (talk) 21:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, part of the inclusion criterion for a list like that will typically be that an article exists. A redirect might not cut it. But I confess I'm not familiar with this particular list. Haukur (talk) 23:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!Edit

  For saying it and saying it well on Fram's RfA2. The only thing missing was some Hans Zimmer background music to you speaking it with passion. DBigXray 05:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I love berries! Haukur (talk) 09:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!Edit

  Thank you for being a voice of reason throughout the recent constitutional crisis and ensuing RfA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Thank you likewise. Haukur (talk) 09:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


Your section at the article was accidentally deleted. I would have reverted it back, but another editor replied to the editor that deleted it so I thought it was best just to copy it back in.[8] Can you just check it to make sure I haven't inadvertently changed anything. Regards AIRcorn (talk) 00:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Looks good, thank you! Haukur (talk) 08:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Good Article Backlog Drive BarnstarEdit

  The Invisible Barnstar

Thanks for your participation in the September 2019 GA Backlog drive. Your 2 reviews made a difference, as did your willingness to review a particularly old nomination. The work of editors like you helped bring down the unreviewed backlog by over 35%. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

It was fun to participate in, thanks for coordinating it! Haukur (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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