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Middle Ages did not call younger members of royal families as princes and princessesEdit

please check the ongoing discussion about "princess" title on Talk:Margaret of Connaught - it will have implications that many medieval women will soon get the courtesy prefix "princess" before their names in article names. ObRoy 21:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NKVD massacres of prisonersEdit

Currently references to the NKVD massacres of prisoners have been provided. Would you mind commenting on that or adjusting your vote accordingly? Regards Mieciu K 13:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Second Battle of KharkovEdit

Hi Ghirla,

I noticed you supported the FAC of Second Battle of Kharkov. The article went through a quite serious overhaul and a peer review was requested by the MILHIST project. You're welcome to go there and voice your opinions!

Thanks in advance! -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 21:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


  On May 24, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Manege Square, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thank you for your comments in Lar's RfA!Edit

  We are here to build an encyclopedia!

Hi Ghirla, and thank you for your supportive comments in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! I look forward to lots more DYK collaboration! Thanks again, and I will do everything I can to justify the trust you've placed in me! ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

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A question. Why do you reduce image sizes that I enlarge to provide space blank reduction and better visibility? Are there style reasons? Let me know and good work. Attilios


See Special:Contributions/Vlachul. —Khoikhoi 18:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen's RfAEdit

100px Hello Ghirla. Thank you for your support at request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation. If you need any admin assistance, feel free to ask me, and naturally, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out and I look forward to working with you in the future, (I'll do some DYK updates) Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 06:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ivan KozlovskyEdit

The article links to Russian opera, and is part of the Russian opera project. As far including him under the category of "Russian opera singers", I think that is inappropriate because I don't know of other instances where people have been catagorized by the type of opera they sang as opposed to his background. As far as labeling him Ukrainian in the introduction: that is the only part of the article that lists him as such, other than his place of birth. The rest of the article makes it very clear where his career was spent.--tufkaa 13:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

See also questions about such dual listings here--tufkaa 13:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Ivan Kozlovsky. This is a problem which needs discussing. - Kleinzach 14:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking along the same lines in terms of a compromise, but it makes it seem as if his heritage was not important to him. How about was a Ukrainian lyric tenor, one of the great/greatest stars of Soviet Opera, as well a producer and director of his own opera company, and longtime teacher at the Moscow Conservatory.?--tufkaa 15:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that "Ukrainian-born Soviet composer" is much better. Let's see what others think. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The Kamenny Island TheatreEdit

Thanks for this improvrmrnt, but there is a contradiction:

The theatre was built in 1826... Two operas of a famous Neapolitan composer Giovanni Paisiello (1740 – 1816), were premiered at Kamenny Ostrov (before this theatre was built):

Il matrimonio inaspettato (La contadina di spirito, 1779 Kamenny Ostrov) Il mondo della luna (1782 Kamenny Ostrov). Retrieved from "" (Meladina 15:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC))

I noticed the discrepancy myself. Not sure how to fix it at the moment. Probably there was another theatre in Kamenny Ostrov before that. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Philip StaufenEdit

If you're going to place tags on an article, then you should be discussing them as well. Regarding the categories needed tag, it would take as much trouble to simply place the appropriate category/ies on the page as to place that tag there. As for the notability tag, it would have been far better if you had discussed the matter on the article talk page first before placing the tag. Have you read the article? This man was the subject of a vast amount of media coverage in Canada and around the world, not to mention being the subject of an international search. Television shows were aired about him on three continents. His case is highly unusual in several ways, including the type and degree of amnesia, his possible past, his movements and the legal wrangling concerning his case. What more do you want? I'll be removing the tag shortly unless you have some objection. Exploding Boy 16:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Federation of Independent Trade Unions of RussiaEdit

Hi Ghirlandajo. I noticed your comment on DYK. I didn't mean to imply that the FNPR is the only trade union center in Russia. I have started articles for both All-Russian Confederation of Labour and Confederation of Labour of Russia as well, although they are both just stubs. Unfortunately my knowledge of Russia is very limited and I'm only working from a few sources. Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 18:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Sergei Lemeshev, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Ivan Kozlovsky, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 18:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


Please add an other source than imageshack, where the copyright info can be verified. Thanks. feydey 11:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Finland's toponymyEdit

Greetings! You seem to do a fine work on issues Russo-Swedish (with Finland somewhere in between...;). I found this list of Finland's place names which may help you in the future? [1] Best regards, Clarifer 16:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

World Heritage SiteEdit

Dear Ghirla, the reason for my listing of Val di Noto in the template is to let the names of the cities of it to appear in bold in the article. Otherwise one, in the relative articles, could not understand easily ot which of the listed sites the city belongs. Let me know. User:Attilios


  Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Andrew's Cathedral, St. Petersburg, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 19:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK OperaEdit

  On June 1, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Opera in Russia in the 18th century, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Spangineer[es] (háblame) 22:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


You might like to put Sinai on your watch list [2]. --Philip Baird Shearer 07:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

OK. --Ghirla -трёп- 07:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


  On June 2, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Petersburg Bourse, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 11:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Could youEdit

Write an article on Konstantin Vasilyev ? His paintings[3] seem interesting. Seeing how much you write about Russia and its culture, do you know anything about him ? --Molobo 21:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Now I've had time to think about this:

Image:Berlin Rotes Rathaus 2.jpg Well! There is definitely an Italian influence in the windows, symmetry and machiolations. However, in spite of the series of renaissance round topped windows - the building says to me that it is in the style of German Gothic. Compare the tower with that of the cathedral at Ulm [4] (1377 - 1417) I would even go one step further and say (this is my own opinion) that it was inspired by the 14th century Town Hall and belfry at Bruges [5] - those dominating central towers are a distinctive feature of Belgian Gothic. So basically we have here a building which is predominantly renaissance. with a gothic inspired tower which is too dominating to be ignored. If it can only be in one category I suppose it has to be (because of the windows and symmetry) Category: Renaissance revival and not be too specific. Personally I think it looks like a Victorian crematorium! - pity we can't have a category - Category: German civic architecture of little merit

Now for the other one Image:City duma.jpg. I think we can stay firmly in Italy with this one - look at the tower of Modena Cathedral [6] you can see the Duma's tower in its Romanesque earliest form, and there lies the problem it is more Romanesque and Gothic (pre-Renaissance) than what is generally understood as Italianate. Take a look here at the [7] Palazzo Communale in Bologna - there I feel is the inspiration for the Duma. It was begun in 1287 . I know other people (probably Wetman - will have strong and justfied differing views ), but I am tempted to say Category:Gothic Revival architecture - but I could easily be convinced to change my mind - I've changed it twice writing this - sorry to be not more help. I think we are in the dangerous waters now of which Wetman warned of not applying names and tags to easily. Giano | talk 13:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK fixer uppersEdit

Good work on the following noms which were selected, thanks to your fixing the hooks:

  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Antikythera wreck, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Isaak Dunayevsky, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks, as always! ++Lar: t/c 22:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Crimean war and emancipationEdit

In the article Emancipation reform of 1861 in Russia it clearly states the following:

The pitiful display by Russian forces in the Crimean War left the government acutely aware of the empire's backwardness. Eager to grow and develop industrially, hence military and political strength, there were a number of economic reforms. As part of this the end of serfdom was considered. It was optimistically hoped that after the abolition the mir would dissolve into individual peasant land owners and the beginnings of a market economy.

So it implies a very direct connection to the the emancipation and the Crimean War.

While the Emancipation may not have been exclusively due to the war, the war was certainly was a contributing factor. Piercetp 04:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Anichkov BridgeEdit

Hi Ghirla, I'd like to include the article in the next DYK update. Would you have any objection to the simplified wording I've suggested on the talk page. I agree with Lar that the hook is a bit obscure within the article. I would appreciate your thoughts, thanks. 09:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're so upset about this, after all you did state "please vet my nom if needed", so somebody did. I just spent half an hour preparing the next update and asked you a courteous question whether you would mind if I used the alternate wording I put on the talk page, hardly a diatribe as you characterise it. (Struck due to cross-posting edit conflict). I agree that there is too much negative commentary appearing on the page now, and you will note that I hardly ever comment on other noms. I occasionally do a minor tweak to the wording and will only ever comment if it is a major departure from the original nomination wording (as in this case), or if there is a technical problem with the nom.
I agree with you about the aims of DYK, and that they should be kept simple and flexible (you might want to have a look at the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Requirement_for_referencing, which got somewhat hijacked by referencing hardliners). Yes, selection of items will always be subjective, and that's not a bad thing. The problem I saw with your wording was that it didn't relate clearly to the text of the article which says that "Klodt depicted his powerful enemy's face under the tail of one of the bronze stallions", which is a bit ambiguous. That reads to me that the figure beneath the horse is the horse tamer (but sculpted with the face of Klodt's enemy), rather than the actual enemy in question, OR (unlikely) the face of his enemy was literally sculpted on the horse beneath the tail. I spent a good deal of time trying various rewordings, including mention of his death after discovery of the missing tongues, but couldn't develop anything that read well in relation to the article (IMHO). Hence my simplified version and my initial post here. Please rest assured I was not trying to be difficult or picky, and please do continue your excellent work in writing, finding and nominating new articles such as this. Best wishes. 10:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Ghirla, no offence was taken. If you're OK with this tweaked wording, I'll go ahead and update shortly:
  • ...that the Anichkov Bridge in Saint Petersburg features one of the city's notable landmarks, The Horse Tamer, a group of four neoclassical bronze sculptures by Baron Peter Klodt?
I think it reflects the article content fairly well. 11:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Looking forward to seeing the article on "this guy Klodt" ... :-) Hopefully it will also make it to DYK. If you have something ready in the next few hours let me know and I can link to it on the DYK template. 11:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Quick work on Baron Klodt, nice article. I've fixed the link on DYK. 15:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


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Well, we got there with the wording in the end!!! Keep up the good work Ghirla. 12:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK talkEdit

Hi Ghirla, I have received a complaint from User:Ukrained about your comments on Template talk:Did you know. I can see there is some history of nationalist related disputes between you, but I know I don't need to remind you of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Please don't let these disputes spread elsewhere and lead you to violate these key policies. 15:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ghirla, I suspected as much from reading some of the history. I had some of that early on in my wiki life and responded with "troll" comments, but in hindsight it really is pointless and is just a "feeding exercise" giving them the attention they need. Dignified restraint is usually much more effective. Your comments on Klodt are also noted, I might just have a look at doing some work on him myself if I can source enough interesting material. 15:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This user is trying to claim you "provided deliberately false info" by pointing out that his 3-sentence article is a stub. Even if you count the list, it's still under 1000 bytes. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-05 16:32

Oleg of NovgorodEdit

I am pleased with the latest version of the article. I would welcome further well-sourced refutations of the HLGW=Oleg theory. I hope in the future we can cooperate to generate quality material without some of the acrimony of the latest exchanges. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:41, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for yourr advise. (Meladina 23:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC))


  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Battle of Levounion, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Bread and salt, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 10:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Miskolc churchesEdit


You removed the Gothic Protestant Church of Avas from the Gothic architecture category on May 23. I admit I'm not an expert on architecture, but this church is clearly Gothic in my opinion, and is commonly regarded as Gothic in all sources. The picture in the article may be misleading, since it shows not the church itself but the 16th century belfry. (I couldn't take a decent picture of the church because it is surrounded by trees.) Here are a few googled pictures of the church itself: [8] [9] [10]

Also, I answered to what you wrote on Talk:Greek Orthodox Church and Museum, Miskolc.


Alensha  15:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the category. I'll try to include some pictures that show the church itself, not only the non-gothic belfry. regards, – Alensha  14:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


IN THE MEDIATION CABAL; Case: 2006-05-29 Russo Turkish War, 1877-1878

To: Ghirlandjo

This is to notify you that the above named dispute, in which you are named as a participant, has been submitted to mediation. You are requested to post a response in the discussion section of the case page.

Geo.plrd 20:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC), Mediator;
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Repin in Australia?Edit

Could you take a look at this section in which it states that Ilya Repin helped create a Russian Orthodox church in Sydney, Australia in the 1930s? I do not believe that for one moment, but I would like to have a second opinion on that. Большое спасибо, Errabee 22:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


  On June 7, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anichkov Palace, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Peter Klodt von UrgensburgEdit

Hi Ghirla, I'd suggest to put this at Peter Clodt von Jürgensburg or Peter Klodt von Jürgensburg. Since the "von" indicates a German name-version and "Urgensburg" shows low "google approval rates" Best regards --Gf1961 10:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It's OK with me. --Ghirla -трёп- 10:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Completed TranslationEdit

You may be interested to know I have completed the translation of Königsberger Schloss to Königsberg Castle. Hope this is to your satisfaction! WilliamH 17:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


Hey Ghirla, it's really a minor thing, but are you sure it's Gorodische? It's OK not to have the Cyrillic, but as far as I know Russian "щ" is usually romanized "shch" and it's very easy to make a typo with such a letter combination, but I'd like to ask first before correcting it. TodorBozhinov 19:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I think both ways to transliterate it are OK, but "shch" is preferrable. Thanks for pointing this out. --Ghirla -трёп- 06:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Moving frenzyEdit

Privet. Responded to your post on my talk page. Best, Imladjov 16:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Farewell of SlaviankaEdit

I reverted the category link to "Russian songs" that you removed - the tune has indeed lyrics for it as shown in Slavianka lyrics. Although it is more known as instrumental, the category "Russian songs" should include a well-known tune such as this one. LHOON 18:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

monarchs in contemporary understandingEdit

Have you actually read and understood the article Grand Prince ?? Maed 20:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Alexander Column, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 12:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

City templatesEdit

Hi, Ghirlandajo! I noticed your dislike for city infoboxes and wanted to ask you if you are opposed to the whole idea of infoboxes in articles on Russian cities/towns, or if you just do not like the implementation the Wikiproject Cities developed. The reason for my asking is that I intend to eventually develop an infobox which would be specific to Russian cities/towns (kind of like a mix of those in Russian Wikipedia and {{Federal subject of Russia}}). Would you back me up in this, or do you not want to see those infoboxes at all (if so, why)? I wanted to collect Russian community's ideas before I do that anyway. I was not planning to do it so soon, but if people start adding those ugly generic templates, we'd better have an alternative sooner than later. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 13:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree that infoboxes are useless, but completely agree that adding them at this point of time in their present form is going to be a mess. The positive side of infoboxes is that they can include information that otherwise simply pollutes the actual article (former names, town status year, jurisdiction, population trends, coordinates, official website, coats of arms (what's wrong with having those, by the way?), etc. etc.). Having all this basic information in one place cleans up the article and allows editors to see immediately if anything is missing—not an easy feat when all this info is scattered around in bits and pieces of text. It also helps determine if the article is indeed an article, or just a long stub with Rambot-like narrative statistics. The down side, of course, is that adding an infobox to the majority of Russian city/town geo-stubs in their present form would leave nothing in the text body, and that the current infobox layout is too generic and contains too much information irrelevant or poorly applicable to Russia. Anyway, if an infobox developed to specifically deal with Russian cities/towns is created, if image layout issues are resolved, and if such a template is added in a way that does not diminish the quality/visual appearance of an article, and if it is only added to the articles that have content covering issues beyond simple stats, would you, well, if not support, but at least be neutral to such an initiative?—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 13:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, that's why I think it's too early at the moment to worry about infoboxes at all. But if WikiProject Cities is going to be an unstoppable tank "requesting" infoboxes to be added left and right, we'd better have an decent Russia-specific infobox that works than one that's ugly, generic, and "for-galochka". I'll try to put something together when I have a moment and announce it on ru-noticeboard for everyone to comment (and they'd better).—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Keeping DYK alive :) If all 6 entries had pictures, I'd be fine with switching them up every couple hours. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-09 15:34

  • "Superior" is subjective. I only fix grammatical or stylistic problems, and I haven't received one complaint from a nominator about my rewordings. Often, entries get picked despite my complaining about their wording on the talk page, so I choose to fix them if possible. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-09 15:44
    • As I said, entries get chosen despite complaints about their wording. And I believe most nominators know how to check the history of the template page to see who wrote the words that appear in the template. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-09 15:55


  On June 10, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Maria Pavlovna of Russia, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
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Jean-Baptiste Alexandre Le BlondEdit

I've translated the French Wikipedia article and expanded it slightly, pursuing my garden history binge today. Please vet it, since this is your Saint Petersburg territory I'm infringing upon here! --Wetman 08:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Excellent additions. I found a good garden reference. --Wetman 02:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Pierre-Jean MarietteEdit

Some drawings from Mariette's collection must have found their way to St Petersburg. Noting them will help balance the apparent US-centric emphasis. --Wetman 02:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Coup d'etatEdit

Please, help to add interwiki link for ru:Эпоха дворцовых переворотов. It's article of a newbie in Russian Wikipedia, and I want to make it non-orphan. --ajvol 16:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Tverskaya StreetEdit

Andrey, thanks for you edits to the article on Tverskaya Street. I checked out your personal page and was amazed at the fact that you are actually from Yaroslavl. How come you speak English so well? The number of articles you started or contributed to is really astonishing! 18:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Regarding this notice on your talk page: [11], why was it "trolling" per your article summary? And do you think that notifying people of potential problems is not "useful"? I think it's terrifically useful! Your edit summary "(rv tag trolling: please find something useful to do in WP)" could be worded a bit more civilly in my view. I think you're a very valuable contributor but it's something to keep in mind. Best wishes and happy editing. ++Lar: t/c 17:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, there is no need to moderate my edit summaries. I guess I can tell a troll from a non troll and a copyright nazi from a good-faith editor. Those who stalk PD images, when there are so many untagged pictures around, do not improve Wikipedia but rather seek to disrupt it. Hence, trolling. --Ghirla -трёп- 12:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
We may have to agree to disagree but I did think that edit summary was a bit incivil, as is calling someone a "____ nazi", for ANY value of ____. The image itself is (when I went to check) using a disputed copyright tag, the whole question of Soviet Copyright seems controversial, I'm no expert but that's my read. You may not agree with the editor about the issue but the notification was not, in my view, trolling. I'd ask you to please consider being more civil. I think you're a great contributor and want you to stick around. ++Lar: t/c 19:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Polish medieval monarchs namingEdit

Hi. I have proposed to move the following monarchs from their current, generally Polish-spelled names (with diacriticals) to the systematical English name, citing my general ground that English should be used, not Polish. Would you share your opinion at Talk:Bolesław I the Brave , Talk:Bolesław II the Bold, Talk:Mieszko II Lambert, Talk:Władysław III Spindleshanks, Talk:Jan I Olbracht and Talk:Kazimierz III the Great. Marrtel 19:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Han civilisation.pngEdit

Thanks for your interest in my map. I don't have any mapping software, so I just use Photoshop almost exclusively. I traced the outlines (like the borders, rivers etc.), and then superimposed topography from a map I found. Then it was just a matter of playing around to get the colours right, and doing the research. Yeu Ninje 10:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Notice of arbitrationEdit

An arbitration request involving you has been filed.--AndriyK 19:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Avar trollEdit

Lol, feeding the trolls is very tempting. :p —Khoikhoi 02:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 :) --Ghirla -трёп- 06:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


The page is now appropriately a disambig. Please stop redirecting it to one particular individual bearing the name. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Russian SymbolismEdit

I'll go down some of the changes I made:

1) I changed the divisions in the article on Symbolist literature because it is usually described as being composed of two generations (decadents inspired by French literature and German philosopy, mystics inspired by the writings of Solovyov) rather than three waves.

2) I deleted the analytical section on Blok's poetry for two reasons. First of all, it was written with a lack of clarity. Secondly, an analysis of Blok's poetry belongs in the article on Blok, not the article on Symbolism.

3) The same goes for the analysis of Bely's works.

4) I deleted certain areas that appeared to be biased in favor of one Symbolist writer over another. As big of a name as Zinaida Gippius should not be described as a second-rate poet (especially when interest in her works is very much rising at the moment), and Annensky should not be described as the only Symbolist writer from the first generation to preserve his reputation, considering that his works are considerably harder to find than those of, say, Sologub, Merezhkovsky and Voloshin. Also the huge focus on Blok and Bely (which should be kept in their own pages) stressed their importance in the movement a little too much. I tried to preserve an accurate and unbiased portrait of Russian Symbolism as a whole. Though Petersburg is an important prose work, so are The Petty Demon and The Fiery Angel. And I think that the current, slimmer, section on Blok portrays his fame as a Symbolist (and, in general, Russian) poet even better than before, though perhaps some attention should be paid to his dramas as well.

5) Other than that, I edited anything that was unclear or seemed to be not quite correct (for example, Moscow being the center of the movement and Bely and Blok being Muscovite poets). I added more on Bryusov and Sologub, whom I thought were underrepresented.

Hope that helps.



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BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-14 22:22


Actually I did address your concerns, such as they were, on the talk page. As for trollism and vandalism, it is my experience that these are you modus operandi, even when I attempt to reach out and be reasonable. If you wish to go ahead and seek de-sysoping, go for it. I will of course oppose as strenuously as I am able, and point out your extensive history of name-calling and other outrageous behavior. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 12:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Do not remove my comments from Talk:Oleg again. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, this was a glitch. Don't you dare remove my comments as well. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you referring to the comment I took out, reinserted and then expressly stated that I took out and reinserted? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Is "don't you dare" a threat? I promise you that you will not intimidate me as you have others. How's your de-sysoping preparation going?Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Please eff off. Your presence on this page is unwelcome. I am too busy to react to your silly escapades. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Привет! Безумно хочу, чтобы статья про Татарстан попала в DYK, но для этого её надо написать на нормальном английском СРАЗУ, с чем и проблемы. Не можешь просмотреть User:Untifler/Sabantuy и помочь довести до ума? А потом, как будет доведено до ума, можно будет перенести это на Sabantuy и подать заявку в DYK. (Если сильно постараться, можно в интернете раздобыть фотку Путина, искавшего монетку языком в катыке :) ) Не поможешь? --Untifler 12:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Yakov KnyazhninEdit

I have merged the content of your article into mine. Please check if there is all right. Hovever I do not know how to move it in one article. I think we have to avoid use of patronimics for the title of the article, if this is possible. Good luck! (meladina 15:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC))

Браво маэстро Гирландайо. Мне нравится Ваша работа. Но вот такой вопрос: как перевести название оперы "Sbitenshchik" ("Сбитенщик" – "Sbitenshchik"). Справка: Сбитенщик - продавец сбитня, Сбитень= горячий напиток из "подожжоннаго мёду с пряностями". Хотя возможно и другое значение: "Сбитнем одеться, укутаться". "Сбитнем ходят свадебные тысяцкие в зипуне, бешмете и тулупе." (В. Даль) Речь в опере идёт о ловком пронырливом парне (продавце сбитня), сумевшего всех обхитрить и состряпять свадьбу. С уважением (meladina 21:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC))

Sveti Sedmochislenitsi ChurchEdit

Hi! I saw you've addded a {{fact}} tag to the part mentioning Sinan as the architect. Actually, all three sources I've listed support this. If you feel there's a need for a specific reference in English, then we could use [12] or [13].

But I have to say that part is indeed quite dubious, particularly because the Sinan article says his first work was finished in 1548. Maybe we should reword it in some way to reflect that, like "the mosque is popularly attributed to Sinan" or "Sinan is widely thought to be the mosque's architect, altough this is uncertain"? TodorBozhinov 15:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Small requestEdit

Hello, Ghirla! Since I use to translate (or intend to translate) some of your excellent articles to German Wikipedia, could you please upload your pics in future to Wiki-Commons, instead of English Wikipedia? This would make it easier. Thanks for your understanding. Voyevoda 19:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Vyacheslav IvanovEdit


Sorry about not going through the disambiguous step in redirecting Vyacheslav Ivanov, but as you noted, I'm fairly new here and I have never been involved in a disambiguous proceeding.

No whim, however, involved. I've slowly been working on the history of Olympic rowing, Vyacheslav Ivanov, the rower, was the greatest of his generation, and one of the greatest of all time. He rowed in the premier event, the men's single scull, he won 3 Olympic Golds, and he did so with pananche and flair. I did a google search and the hits for Vyacheslav Ivanov, the poet, and Vyacheslav Ivanov, the oarsman, were comparable. I then looked at Encyclopedia Britanica as authority, and it gives the Vyacheslav Ivanov listing to the rower, but it has more internal references to the poet. Basically a toss-up.

So given the conflict, and not knowing the Wiki rules better, I resolved the ambiguity the best way I knew how. (I also corrected all of the links). Although I may have overstepped the bounds, I would hope that I acted correctly.

I also learned something about Russian poetry in the process. ;-) Swlenz 20:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


Dearest Ghirlandajo, I did move the page to a more appropriate title and I don't care much for your offences. There were two guys named Stepan Apraksin and they needed a disambiguation. Whether named as such in the title or not, it is still needed - and this has nothing to do with me personally. Nor does it have to do anything with you.

Also, in your comment on my talk page you of course took the liberty to express your views on me, but forgot to mention what is it that you actually call a sloppy edit, and failed to mention what was the reason behind the article on Stepan Fedorovich Apraksin staying at Stepan Apraksin rather than... err... Stepan Fedorovich Apraksin. //Halibutt 02:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Pyotr Leshchenko, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article George, Count Brasov, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 08:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


Seen this Wikipedia:Peer review/Neo-Renaissance/archive1? Giano | talk 10:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmph! so much for taking our time and doing the job properly! One would think they might just mention it ti the primary authors first out of courtesy! I'll finish my new page Belton House, and then give it some attention. Hope all well. Regards Giano | talk 10:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


Regarding Neo-Renaissance, please accept my apologies if i have been discourteous. I stumbled across the article and it didn't seem to have been edited (other than the odd tweak) for about a month, I was impressed by it's quality and so was bold and submitted for peer review. No offence was intended, actually the reverse. --Mcginnly 00:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Belton House, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 21:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


Greetings Ghirlandajo. I am ignoring all of your baseless accusations against me for my having protected Oleg. I am understandably mystified by your refusal to take part in the discussion on Talk:Oleg, designed to resolve the dispute that led to the article's current "Protected" status, and would like to take this opportunity to encourage you to participate in that discussion, so that the issues can be resolved and the article subsequently unprotected. Cheers, Tomertalk 07:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Ivan Betskoy, was selected for DYK!Edit

  On June 18, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ivan Betskoy, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 19:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Ogromnoe SpasiboEdit

... for your support on Leshchenko. As for Serdtse, I know I really need to find the full original version (C and D couplets). And I need to translate the Aquarium part. However, for the moment, I am very busy on correcting (! yes I am a bit older than you) exam papers - and the little time I can dedicate to Wikipedia is being spent stopping a gang of four nutty users from creating all sorts of non-existing cities in Belgium. Well, at least one of the AfDs (=the one I did not start of course - proves I am still a newby) looks like it is going to succeed. No help needed, really, I know your time is precious too. Take care, User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy --pgp 22:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


  On June 19, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aleksey Remizov, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


  On June 20, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Denis Davydov, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

You keep providing the cool pictures, and I'll keep putting them on the main page. :) — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-20 02:37


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BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-20 16:00

Talk:Russo-Turkish War, 1877–1878Edit

Hello there. Could you please come over to Talk:Russo-Turkish War, 1877–1878 to explain your reversion of the inclusion of the paragraph concerning the alleged massacre? I'm not sure of the specifics, but it appears you have a belief that those involved are nationalists of some sort working to push their point of view. It may help to address the sources that they are using, as perhaps the sources aren't reliable which may be the source of the dispute. At least, coming to the talk page and assuming good faith may calm down the conflict before it grows any further. I'm just a mediator over from the mediation cabal, and I just came here to see if I could help fix the tension in between you guys to open up room for discussion. Thanks. Cowman109Talk 18:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


I changed Famous Russians to Famous people (guess an occasional foreigner would be OK). Maybe change to Celebreties buried? Or have a separate List of people buried on Novodevice Cemetery and just have a link to it on the cemetery page? abakharev 16:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Baroque architectureEdit

Hello, Ghirlandajo, I am Garcilaso. I know you beacuse of your Wikipedia editions, and I think that we both have common interest in History and Art. I don`t know the reason to eliminate the image of The Royal Palace of Madrid, the most important piece of International Baroque in Spain, designed by Filippo Juvarra and made by Juan Bautista Sachetti in cooperation with Ventura Rodríguez and Francesco Sabatini, among others. If you think it is not representative, I must say that the two photograph try to represent the two main streams of Baroque in Spain. I am sorry if not everything here was Churrigueresque, but it is a fact. About the "thorough cleanup" you proposed in that section, I agree with you if it consists in a improval of grammatical constructions and ortography: I am afraid that my English is far from being Shakespearean. But if it is about the meaning of what I say, I would apreaciate your suggestions before deleting. I have plenty good documentation about the matter. Thank you for your attention, --Garcilaso 09:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again: International Baroque is a term used by Spanish scholars to definy the sober, classical and "international" pieces of the late Spanish baroque. It is called international because it is strongly influenced in italian baroque, and some of the buildings are made by foreign architects, or in collaboration with the local. I have never seen it translated, only Barroco Internacional, then I don't know if any specifical English term exists for it. Thank you for your help. See you!--Garcilaso 18:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

category:Russian booksEdit

Created by a user who either doesn't know what he is doing or a subtle vandal. You may look at his talk page User talk:Imthehappywanderer. I blocked him for a while. `'mikka (t) 15:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Mediation CabalEdit

Hey, I'm mediating Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-20 Crimean war. I'm contacting all parties, feel free to make a comprimise and/or provide diffs. Computerjoe's talk 18:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Piercetp has responded, I suggest you do. It will show your good faith. Computerjoe's talk 07:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Palace of PenaEdit

Looking just at that photograph I instantly thought Moorish?. I'll dig about on the internet and give you a certain answer later. Glad you like Belton, keep an eye on it I want to FAC it quite soon. I found the house by chance when I came off the motorway the other day at the wrong turn off! Rosings is just a bit of fun, to see if I can find the real Rosings, it will probably be deleted as own research if it ever leaves user:space! Yeah the world cup is in all our thought, I cannot beleive we drew with the Americans, it has gutted me....I love Americans......but to draw with then at football......Mama Mia Giano | talk 18:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi there, Andrey! I'll try and write an article about this gentleman. On Sunday, I plan to go downtown and take a picture of that monastery we talked about (i'll email it to you to upload). Ho and by the way, I guess we have to disambig this Sylvestr from this new Sylvester somehow. Take care! KNewman 08:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi again! I took a few pictures, so now I wanna email them to you, but can't find your email. And what's your ICQ number? Thanx. KNewman 18:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Father ArsenyEdit

Hello I am no one important. I am trying to do more work on the Nikolai Lossky's page. I also do not have access to any of Father Arseny's work from Russia to do him justice. I was also hoping for a current opinion on Father Alexander Men. I humbly ask for your help. LoveMonkey 12:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


LoveMonkey 13:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Rosings ParkEdit

This "User:Giano/Rosings Park" is a bit of fun and conjecture probably breaking all the rules too, do you have an opinion, Chatsworth claims it is Pemberly how do you see Rosings? Giano | talk 17:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Another fabulous nomination!Edit

  Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Sabantuy, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
  • A thank you to the king of DYK! -- Samir धर्म 04:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Большое спасибо за помощь :)! --Untifler 10:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Привет ещё раз! Не можешь пробежаться по Bezdna Unrest? Тут кроме стандартных ошибок в грамматике возможны неточные переводы терминов, связанных с крепостным правом... --Untifler 11:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Добавил "политические" традиции. Кстати, в каком случае и куда можно загружать фотографии с сайтов? Есть замечательная фотка Ельцина, разбивающего горшок. :) Ссылка на неё в самом низу. Думаю в статье смотрелась бы вообще замечательно... --Untifler 14:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Спасибо :) --Untifler 16:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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Edit warringEdit

Please do not engage in edit warring when in conflict with other editors, as you have been doing today and recently. Edit warring is a poor way to solve disputes. Actually, it inflames them. Particluarly, using a rollback summary which is meant to be reserved for vandalism is a slap in the face and hostile to other good faith editors. Do not use it for content reverts as you have here, here, and here in the last day. Please use WP:DR: go to mediation or RFC. As you know, persistent edit warring may lead to blocks. Dmcdevit·t 06:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Dmcdevit, you know better than me that RfC and mediation are useless with Molobo and Piotrus, as both expedients have been tried in vain. My contributions show that I use rollback against two tireless revert warriors alone. These are User:Piotrus and User:Molobo and only for one reason, i.e. to attract wider attention to their disruptive activities and POV pushing. User:Piotrus abused rollback against me so extensively, labelling every content dispute as vandalism, that I was forced to seek advice on WP:ANI more than once. If you check the archives of Piotr's talk page, I pointed out to him that his behaviour is an abuse of admin powers, citing appropriate guidelines. No answer, no apologies, only the same rollback. I was told on WP:ANI that his behaviour may not be appropriate, but the abuse of rollback is rather a matter of ethics. Therefore, I do and I will use rollback to revert Piotr's disruptive edits as long as he does the same.
As for Molobo, I'm tired of campaigning for this troll to be blocked. Since he is still allowed to roam through Wikipedia freely and to flood dozens articles with his rants, wildly revert warring most of the time, I have no other choice but to revert his edits. If I get an advice from any other respected admin other than youself that using rollback against Molobo is not appropriate, I will use other tools to revert him. As for your threat of blocks, I'd like to remark that I've never been blocked without subsequent apologies before and if I do, I will leave this project immediately at the mercy of Molobo and other archtrolls. As the matters stand now, I feel that the wikipedians who contributed to this project some 1000 articles (like myself) get intimidated, while the worthless trolls like Molobo get every support. If so, I don't see a point in staying there. I've been told by too many wikipedians that this project needs me more than I do need it. All things considered, I take you message gravely, as another sign that Molobos are more needed here than myself. Sigh... Ghirla -трёп- 11:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
That's an odd response, considering I blocked Molobo for a year and gave Piotrus a sterner warning since he's an admin, before I even wrote this note to you. Why don't you quit muddying the point with ad hominems and instead actually address the issue of your misuse of rollback and edit warring. I don't condone edit warring by Molobo and Piotrus or you and Irpen, and therefore I blocked Molobo and warned the rest. Edit warring is wrong and disruptive, no matter the reason. You always have other options. If you say RFC and mediation have failed, take it to arbitration. That's what it's there for. Dmcdevit·t 18:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I support all that Dmcdevit says here, including that it is inapropriate to use rollback in an edit war - obviously that goes for both sides of the dispute. -- sannse (talk) 18:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, please. Piotrus has stopped protecting Molobo long ago, so please assume good faith with him again now (for he is also a good and productive editor). I will ask him to stop comparing you with Molobo, a somewhat insulting comparison that you do not deserve due to your countless good contributions in the form of new articles and your great DYK work. Now that Molobo has been blocked, let us all return to constructive editing in the spirit of good collaboration. Thank you. Kusma (討論) 19:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I learned that Molobo was blocked after posting the above comment and it was a huge relief to me. I am prepared to give Piotr another chance. I shall not use rollback until Piotr resorts to this annoying expedient to revert my edits again. When this happens, I will report him to Dcmdevit and Kusma. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 19:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Dmcdevit·t 00:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Belton HouseEdit

What is it [14] you tjink is wrong - it reads OK to me, it's a fully refenced quote. Giano | talk 18:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. "Has been acclaimed as one of the most admired buildings"... why not "has been admired as one of the most acclaimed buildings"? One of the synonyms has to go. If you think it's alright as it used to be, please revert. --Ghirla -трёп- 20:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh it's the English, I thought you meant you had found a factual mistake - acclaimed doesn't alway mean good things you can be "acclaimed as a mass murderer" - well I think you can - Bishonen, Aloan, or Paul August would have picked it out if it was very wrong - we'll leave it as it is it doesn't make much difference. Changing the subject, what is this all about? [15] - what have you been doing now?! Giano | talk 21:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I suppose they would have. Bishonen | talk 21:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC).
  • Ah! - Non capisco, Parla italiano? Giano | talk 21:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Ideogram is definitely a sockpuppet and stalker!Edit

You left a note on User_talk:Ideogram asking him if he was a stalker. He is definitely that and is using sockpuppets. Just look at some of the articles and the mediations he that is or has been involved in and the history of extensive edits on each one to see for yourself. He even pretends to have conversations with other users that are, in fact, him! He may even have access to more than one computer. Watch your back because the sockpuppets and possibly some other sicko friends he has that include "administrators" form a virtual wolf pack and they will attack you relentlessly until they finish you off! TruthForAll -- 22:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


  On June 25, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Coat of arms of Moscow, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BRIAN0918 20:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Mamikonian originsEdit

Hey i'm still a little uncomfortable with the article, since it's your baby can you please elaborate on the "Chinese origin" issue using this source: [16] My pov is that they were of Tocharian origin from Bactria btw.--Eupator 15:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Grazie !--Eupator 18:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not edit the text in POV because tagEdit

The purpose of the tag is to represent the view opposite to that represented in the article. The present version of the article reflects your view. In my opinion, it is not neutral. I marked our disagreement with the tag, which rwflects my view. You may disagree with my view. Then let's work together to find a common point. Please do not edit the tag.

See also Talk:Russian_architecture#Recent_edits_of_the_tag_text_by_User:Telex.--AndriyK 07:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Edit warringEdit

Despite my prior warning above, you have continued to engage in edit warring, now at Russian architecture. Please stop. You must discuss or use dispute resolution instead. Dmcdevit·t 18:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Good, I agree. That's not my point though. No amount of provocation or misconduct on the other's side makes it okay to edit war. That's why I suggested dispute resolution. Dmcdevit·t 19:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Why was my addition deletedEdit

Just wanted to know why you removed my addition of Sergey Platonov's bibliography. I'm new to this.

Original research on Slavic peoplesEdit

It can't be called original research if it has an article right on wikipedia about it. You may not agree with Origin of Serbs but that doesn't mean its information is incorrect. Saying that Serbs are Slavs mixed with Illyrians is incorrect - so please stop reverting to that. If you wish, put an afd on Origin of Serbs. See what happens with that. 11:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Original researchEdit

Wikipedia is for our readers, not for our editors. -- SCZenz 19:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you are interested in helping me fix the problem, rather than just reverting me? Perhaps we could put in a bot request... does that sound reasonable? -- SCZenz 19:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know which policy forbids cross-space redirects, but this policy needs to be modified. The redirect has been deleted a number of times but it gets restored, because it is objectively needed. Numerous pages redirect here and redlinking this WP term is highly misleading. --Ghirla -трёп- 09:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
We're an encyclopedia, and I genuinely think people might look up "original research" expecting to find an article. Thus it's not acceptable to send it to a self-referential page instead. You can see WP:ASR, which has wishy-washy wording, but in this case I reiterate that this particular redirect (when it pointed to WP:NOR) had a real possibility of interfering with the encyclopedia and thus absolutely must be changed. I admit that those thousands of links are a problem, which is why as I suggested, we should put in a bot request to fixd them all. (Actually, I already asked Cyde to do it with Cydebot, and I'll now send a reminder.) -- SCZenz 09:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
You may fix the links that exist, but new ones will appear each day. I'm one of those editors who is prone to leave comments like "no original research, please", especially in edit summaries. I don't like it when the well-known wikiterm is red-linked. --Ghirla -трёп- 09:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Those users are linking to a spot for an article; it's a mistake. Our articles are for our readers, not our editors. I don't know what else I can say; if you have ideas for fixing this problem rather than tolerating it, I'm happy to discuss. (In some ways, it may be better to redlink it, so people notice they can't use that anymore.) -- SCZenz 10:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
In the meantime, might I suggest (as a start to fixing the problem, one user at a time) that if you yourself are prone to wikilinking original research, you instead type [[WP:NOR|original research]]? It's a mere seven extra characters. -- SCZenz 11:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Russian ArchitectureEdit

Ghirla, you really should not have deleted Telex' version of the tag, where I only fixed a grammatical error. If you had not, the guy would be in 3 revert danger now. Though I must admit it's funny to see how he sent the same message to me and Telex' talk page, and restored the tag WITH the grammatical error. Machine-like ... OK, I said what I had to say. I hope you can see my point. Keep up the good work.--[User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy | Pan Gerwazy 22:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Kaliningrad Oblast et alEdit

Ghirla, since you have been there before - you might have a look at this: Talk:Kaliningrad_Oblast If you can spare the time of course. I also want to take away the POV flag at Mayakovskoye. What is the norm? This flag was put up by an IP who then disappeared but attracted the attention of one former editor who started to ask questions, which I think I answered. The article has not been changed in a serious way for almost a month. Can I take the flag off, or should I ask someone else? --Pan Gerwazy 16:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for the Portal:Russia info, it's good to know it exists. btw. Che za mudak etot Mikkalai? Gonit na Rossiyu i gonit, on che polyak? --Lenev 17:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


TNX for informing me. I've added these pages to my watchlist. --jno 10:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No sockpuppetEdit

Regarding your comment on Irpen's page, I also saw this. But since I stayed up a little late, I found out who it was: User:NikoSilver. [17] Thanks for the intervention on Mayakovskoye.--Pan Gerwazy 12:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not revert talk pagesEdit


Let's try to work together.

As you saw before, I'm all mush inside. I let you revert the article on Slavic languages, and I let you keep your text. I'm about to do the same here.

Зачем мы препираемся? Из принципа? Я не люблю споров.

Попробуем по-другому. --VKokielov 22:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Kashin article confusionEdit

Please do some research before marking me as a spammer and reverting my time-consuming edits. I have personally visited Kashin numerous times and my family is originally from that town. My ex-girlfriend, and many friends live there. So please next time, don't revert just because you feel like doing it. --GoOdCoNtEnT 17:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Lvov family articleEdit


I started the article on the Lvov family, you were the next person to edit it. I'm fairly new to this but I was just curious as to why you deleted so much of it. I didn't make it up!



Sorry about the top post; I am new to Wikipedia and am not very familiar with the rules yet. Veresk is not an ad, and I have no affiliation with that company. However, I have visited and researched Kashin and learned that Veresk is a large part of their local economy. We have articles on companies such as Sears and Kroger. Why not have an article on Veresk? I saw that you are from Yaroslavl. My ancestors are from nearby village Miloslavskoe, Kashinsky District, Tver Oblast. Wanna collobarate on some of these regional stubs? --GoOdCoNtEnT 15:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

How do you know so much about the Tver Oblast while living in Yaroslavl? --GoOdCoNtEnT 15:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your cooperation in the dispute concerning Russo-Turkish War, 1877–1878. It's good to see that we were able to come to a compromise :). Cowman109Talk 15:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, it seems things aren't entirely agreed upon yet, then. But please do not threaten to 'report' people for actions you disagree with. A simple request asking them to please not remove tags is enough, as some people might otherwise interpret the message a threat. Could you also come to the talk page and explain what specifically you'd still like to be changed about the paragraph? Thanks again. Cowman109Talk 16:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have upset you at the talk page, but WP:NPA does specifically state that calling people trolls can be considered a personal attack. If you have beliefs that someone is trolling, it would be best to handle that a bit more privately with an administrator so matters don't escalate further. Thanks. Happy editing! Cowman109Talk 18:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

English BaroqueEdit

That's a nice page. Congratulations, something concete to build on. Giano | talk 19:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


Courtesy notice - prodded. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Northern crusadesEdit

Dear Ghirlandajo, it seems that in your habit of reverting blindly, you did not actually read AND thought what was written. There was no claim that orthodox states made crusades, so your reason for revert was untrue. If you bother to read the text, it just states that orthodox states were east of those pagan areas. And, later passages of the text detail who (which means, roman catholic ones usually) waged those crusades. Carefulness is not too much to ask from you, seeing you make proud statements about the number of your edits (hope they are careful and not blind). I have to request you to read texts you intend to revert before causing unnecessary work to others. Suedois 10:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


Just in case you're interested, there is another vote going on at Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 10:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I rv-ed your edit about Tajik ethnicity of Avicenna, but then I read Talk:Avicenna and realized that there is actually a controversy about his ethnicity. However, I still insist that his ethnicity in Avicenna Peak be the same as in Avicenna.(Igny 16:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC))

Jozef PilsudskiEdit

Ghirla, успокойся малость пожалуйста, а? Не надо без лишней на то надобности никого провоцировать, особенно если учесть, что эта статья о Польше. Ну и пусть пишут что хотят! По мне хоть он был диктатор, хоть гомосек, хоть кто угодно - до лампочки... Это не Варшавское Восстание и не раздел Польши в 1939-ом.

Не надо никого провоцировать, лучше спокойно действовать. Вон Молобе настучали по башке, уже хорошо. Андрейке вон медиатор объясняет на пальцах, что "освобождение" есть гуд, тоже хорошо. Укр предупреждение получил за хамство - и то дело. А нам этого бардака не надо - других дел хватает.

Пока, Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 19:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Central AsiaEdit

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Baden-Powell House on WP:FACEdit

The Baden-Powell House article has been adjusted in compliance with your feedback and recommendations (highly appreciated). Would you care to adjust your opinion accordingly? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC).


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The Two CaptainsEdit

Thanks for adding that one to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NewArticles, very helpful, thanks. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


I see that you are working hard on Baroque! Congratulations and thank you!. I find important to improve this Enciclopedia in art and architecture. Cheer up!--Garcilaso 16:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Salutes from Architectural Poorest CountriesEdit

Hello, Ghirla!... I think that there is no conspiration of the "poorest (architecturally speaking) countries of Europe" sic. I agree with you that this article is so poor (even more if we compare it with its correspondance in Baroque, that owes so much to you) but as I am one of the "conspirators" (my editions are in part responsible of the "red link" churches) I must aclare some things:

1- The name of the list is "Surviving Romanesque Buildings". I suppose it is referred to surviving buildings not to notable structures, as in other articles, like the ones of Gothic or Rennaisance. I have written the surviving Romanesque churches I know in Spain, but I know there are much more. As the sentence "this list is incomplete, please, complete it" is at the top of the list the point is to complete it, no matter how "important" are the churches. Among them are very important cathedrals and monasteries and rural churches, but all of them are "surviving". If you find it confusing you can move the list to another fork and put in this article the Notable Romanesque Buildings list.

2- Spain is definitely NOT architecturaly one of the poorest countries in Europe. Furthermore, as for the number and importance of monumental heritage it is the second country in Europe, under Italy (Great Italy). I don´t remember now who made the list, but I will find and write it here. It is normal that the geographical and cultural distance can make not know it. I am not an expert in Russian baroque, but I don´t deny it importance. Spain is a meeting point of several cultures that gave us Roman, Goth, Arab, and European artistic keys, and the main European styles are well represented, as well as particular ones, like Mudéjar or Asturian Art. I am not a fanatic: I know that Spain is not in the center of the World, but plenty good things happened here, and the voids in this Wikipedia about them are, as you say referring to this article, "a joke".

3- The term First Romanesque can be debatable. Anyway, I have read it in several "serious" books together with Lombard Romanesque. As for the problem of Romanesque or Pre-Romanesque, the Lombard (or First) Romanesque is considered to be proper Romanesque. You are right in that it may not be properly the "first", but the term is commonly used. But Ottonian architecture IS considered pre-romanesque, at least Conant, one of the experts in Carolingian art says so.

4- The article First Romanesque is not about architecture in Vall de Boí. The Style spreaded through the nort of Italy and the Pirinees. If you find it better, you can put it as a section in Romanesque Architecture, with the name Lombard Romanesque. By the way, there is a section in Wikicommons about "Romanico Lombardo", where you can see in images the main characteristics of the style. Anyway, I will find specifical references and bring them to you. Yours sincerely, --Garcilaso 17:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the imprecision, when I said "the number and importance of monumental heritage it is the second country in Europe, under Italy" I was wrong. Now I remember who made the list: The UNESCO. The second country in the World in number of World Heritage Sites is Spain. Not bad for a poor country! Don´t you thik so?Garcilaso 18:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for the tone I used in my last intervention. I felt offended by some insinuations, but I appreciate your efforts in improving this Enciclopedia. Anyway, I would like to know your opinion about changing the Article First Romanesque to First Romanesque Architecture. When I wrote the stub I didn´t notice that there was already an article for it, but the content is completely wrong, it talks about Gothic characteristic instead of Romanesque. See you!--Garcilaso 15:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


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About Commons
Thanks for the tip - is it possible to simultaneously move all my photos from Wikipedia to Commons, without having to do each one manually?

Palefire 11:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Baroque architectureEdit

Why are you abolishing the category:Baroque architecture from Italian articles? --Attilios 20:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Because you have not learned the basic rules of categorization as yet. I am too lazy to put your Category:Baroque sites in Italy for deletion, as I have done a bunch of similar unprecedented cats. As long as this cat exists, you should not use higher categories (such as Category:Baroque architecture) per WP:CAT. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

First RomanesqueEdit

Can you explain the move from First Romanesque to Lombard Romanesque? It is unwise for two reasons:

  • the style was not unique to Lombardy and indeed the article itself provides much more Spanish and Catalan examples
  • First Romanesque is, to my knowledge, the more common form

Srnec 16:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


I'd love to know how pointing out that "Fuck off" is an uncivil comment is trolling. In the meantime, have a 3-hours block. Circeus 17:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

May I ask you where I told you to "fuck off"? Are you too trigger-happy to provide a diff? In the meantime, I will address more important issues than this wretched project. When (and if) I return to editing, I will rise the issue on WP:ANI. Let's see what the others think. --Ghirla -трёп- 17:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I already did. And you called me a troll for it, which was all the less civil. I'd love to know how I should have understood the words "eff off". Circeus 17:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I checked Wikipedia:Blocking policy to see if such rogue admins should be defrocked in the future. Indeed, I do not find a justification for your action. The blocking policy says that "blocks to gain an advantage in a content dispute is strictly prohibited". Furthermore, "blocks of logged-in users with a substantial history of valid contributions" are described as controversial "regardless of the reasoning for the block". They should be performed with prior consultation with other admins. I have more than twice as much valid edits as Circeus, hence your behaviour is clearly a violation of blocking policy and would be investigated by the community accordingly, as both my previous blocks have been. Good bye for now, Ghirla -трёп- 17:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd love to hear the community's opinion on this. Be my guest. Circeus 17:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I wrote the article Spanish Baroque, one of about 700 than I contributed to this project. Your only contribution was this gratuitous reshuffling the images. I requested you to explain your edits on talk. You refused and went to revert warring, instead of complimenting me for the new article I had presented to Wikipedia. Perhaps my edit summaries were too harsh and my limited command of the language is to blame, yet you chose to gain an advantage in this paltry content dispute by blocking one of the most prolific wikipedians from editing. I believe many in this project will thank you now. --Ghirla -трёп- 17:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I have made one revert to Spanish baroque, and do not intend to touch it anymore. Ifthat is sufficient for you to call it a "revert war", you might need to revise your priorities. I also utterly fail to see why I should be required to "justify" such a trivial edit. I reiterate my pointing at WP:OWN and the notice found on every edit page: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." Circeus 18:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
In other words, you refused to provide a rationale for your meaningless edit, blocked the true author of the article in this content dispute and now attempt to intimidate and scare him from editing WP in the future? So far I have seen from you nothing but rudeness, meaningless paltry edits, attempts at intimidation. I've had enough of it for a long time. If my articles are not needed here, let the circeuses write the articles for me. --Ghirla -трёп- 18:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
First off, this is not a "content dispute", and I was not "involved" when I blocked you. Second, whether or not you wrote the article is totally irrelevant, and I point for the third time to policy. Finally, I invite you to explain in which ways I have proven "rude" and made "attempts at intimidation." Circeus 18:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I will not talk with you anymore, because it's pointless to argue with fools and because my policy is not to feed trolls with tools like you or Briangotts. Upon reviewing your contributions, I conclude that you are a typical troll, e.g., a person whose own wikicontributions are negligible and who seeks to attract attention by mouthing at and/or blocking superior editors. Please eff off. Your presence on this page is unwelcome and I will not return here too until proper apologies are issued. --Ghirla -трёп- 20:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ghirla, please don't make a tempest in a teapot, it won't help anybody... -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 20:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Many of your edits are great, and it would be a shame for the project to lose you; but you persist in your disruptive, accusatory and incivil comments and behavior. In my humble opinion the disruption you create with your current pattern of behavior outweighs the benefits you bring to the project. If, as I understand, you are issuing an ultimatum that you will not return to the project unless users apologize to you, then please, I beseech you, do not return. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Ghirla, please, cool down. Can we have a chat some of these days (IRC or even voice chat?) -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 21:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Georgia MoveEdit

As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 03:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


Thank for fixing the problem with the World Heritage Site and Tomar city and the Convent of Tomar. fsouza

Hey man, thanks for that award! Best wishes, fsouza

Holy crap!Edit

Holy crap, you've contributed exponentially! I envy you! Good work. Aaрон Кинни (t) 06:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

on leavingEdit

Take it from me who's been living here in the West for ten years. They look and sound more menacing than they are. If you can, please don't become angry. You can keep any article you like for yourself, but not on Wikipedia. They do it to prevent a hierarchy from springing up. I'm not telling you to be awash wtih joy when your article becomes edited, but it wouldn't hurt to take a filosofskaja perspektiva on the thing. --VKokielov 17:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Second that. I would be devastated if you really quit. Check the preceding heading, for instance. --Pan Gerwazy 20:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thirded. I would be immensely sad if you would quit, Ghirla :( Please stay! -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 23:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Fourthed. Per above - you are one of the most productive editors. It would be a significant loss for Wikipedia if you left. --Tēlex 23:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Fifthed. You simply cannot do it to us abakharev 01:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
But of course! Also, please see this. --Irpen 04:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I haven't read all of the context here, but from what I have seen of your contributions, I hope you stay! Jbhood 10:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Ghirlandajo! how could you have ever got caught up in such a knot? Think of me! think of User:Giano" We need you here. --Wetman 16:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
As a one who has been opposing you in a few places, I'd be sad if you leave. We need a view from the Russian POV so we don't make this exclusively Western POV encyclopedia. I know the trouble of writing in non-native tongue and recognize how written text easily becomes presented more harsly than intented - by all parties. --Whiskey 07:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


  On July 9, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Spanish Baroque, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Mgm|(talk) 20:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Romanesque, Baroque...Quousque tandem, Ghirlandajo?Edit

Dear Ghirla... I think that there is a structural problem with our editions. I thank (again) your efforts and encourage you to continue with this project, I think that it is worthwhile. When I first heard about it, I felt so surprised and emotioned thinking in a free, universal Enciclopedia, at everybody´s hands, free and collaborative, I couldn´t resist to form part of it. I don´t know more of your leaving than the messages above, but think it twice.

Now...I think part of the problem could be that we cannot think that the only valid point of view is ours. I know that you write a lot (A LOT) in this wikipedia, and it can be tiring to see that your editions are changed. If we change what we think is bad (or false, or incomplete...) somebody else can think that that was complete, or true or fine. THAT IS THE POINT FOR THE TALK PAGES. I say this for several editions and reversions you have just made because that was your point of view, without a simple word, as if you were tired of giving explanations to poor ignorants. Some of them have been already discussed, but now I find:

1- That the article you have made of Baroque Architecture is "untouchable": no word can be added or removed without a reversion. The only explanation is: "Garcilaso, please integrate your additions into Spanish Baroque and Spanish architecture; this article is just a brief overview; it cannot be endless)". Well, you may think that the article is perfect like that, but I think it is not. If it gives the only explanation of Churrigueresque as a superficial, decorative style for plain facades, the vission of the style is incomplete, and not "enciclopedian". After that briliant speech about facades, one can be mistaken. Not mentioning two important baroque spatial structures like Granada`s Charterhouse or Transparente from the Cathedral of Toledo is form my point of view, unwise for a general overview of the style. The same happens to the Madrid 17th century baroque. Who are you to decide about what is relevant or what is not more than other wikipedists? I told you once, and I implore again: Ask before deleting!

2-You didn´t even know about the existence of the First Romanesque and find yourself capable to decide WITHOUT discussing the fact, which is the correct name for the article. As you recognized, there are other wikipedian who know more about that subject. Some have participated in the discussion, and found that the best name for the article is First Romanesque. Please, please, ASK before deleting or moving, yours is not the only point of view in the world, and perhaps others have good documentation too, although their level of English could be worse. I again encourage you to continue with your valious apportations to this project, the only thing I want to transmit you is that listening and talking and improving a poor article is much better that the best of the editions if it is authoritarian, and collaterally, one could learn a lot!. Yours sincerely, До скорой встречи,Garcilaso 16:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, my greetings for deciding to stay here. I see that you have changed the article on First Romanesque, thank you for your help. About Baroque, you have a message in Talk:Baroque architecture--Garcilaso 18:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
So the only way to have an opinion of yours is to edit the article and get it together with your reversion... I am still waiting for your answer, I don`t want to be acussed of "revert warring" if I change the article Baroque architecture after your silence. Yours eagerly, --Garcilaso 09:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Father ArsenyEdit

I was wanting to create a father arseny page but lack info. Please help. Thanks LoveMonkey 17:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

You are not to even think of leaving!Edit

I leave this site for five fucking minutes, and what do I return to? - Shock! I'm mortified you uncouth bastard Ghirla, you have used the "eff word" in public - what sort of dumb fucking bastard are you? Rude edit summaries too? - it's beyond belief - you should be flogged off the site while simultaneously being tarred and feathered. Well that all seems to have happened, so would you mind now returning so we can all get on with the project in hand, and in future remember some people have very middle class sensibilities and while you and I may periodically say to each other "your last edit was a load of fucking rubbish" some other people are of a little more delicate disposition. I'm glad to see Wetman has tried to talk common sense into you - (he could be forgiven, as the only gentleman on the site, for thinking he keeps some very strange company) - so come on get real and lets get on with it! Oh and if you are now seeing sense, could you please expand Alessio Tramello (no-one else, save Wetman, is likely to have the ability) as per request on my talk page as I have been skiving from a real life job to go and watch football, and now have to spend a few serious days in the real fucking world Giano | talk 20:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi there, Andrey! I've registered as KNewman in Russian Wikipedia myself like a month ago. I certainly understand your position, for I see how people abuse Wikipedia and its valuable contributors. I'm also thinking about moving to the Russian Wikipedia myself (you prolly noticed how I've been submitting only stubs lately). I'm gradually losing interest, but the habit (addiction?) won't let me go :). Maybe, something will change. Anyway, what will your name be in the Russian Wikipedia? Lemme know. Take care and try to visit us here more often. Cheers! KNewman 05:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to see you go. This is a big loss to the English Wikipedia. Good luck with the Russian language version. 172 | Talk 06:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

What a Delightful ContributionEdit

What a delightful contribution, Giano. I'm sure Ghirla will reconsider his thoughts on leaving, especially since you actually left your real life job momentarily, to go and watch football. Dr. Dan 22:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! - are you trying to make a point here? Giano | talk 13:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
No, can't I give you a f-----g compliment without there being a hidden agenda, or some deep thought behind it? If I was trying to make a point, believe me, you wouldn't have to ask me if I was. Dr. Dan 13:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
No you f-----g can't, because this is the grumpy page; and Mr Grumpy himself seems to be sadly absent - let us all just hope he returns to continue his valuable edits, or in all seriousness, it will be Wikipedia's loss. Giano | talk 22:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Alright fine, then don't f-----g, thank me in that case! Dr. Dan 02:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Winter WarEdit

Your edit comment for undoing Kurt Leyman's edit on Winter War was "rvv", despite his edit comment and his entry on the Talk page. While I agree with your revision, I don't think Kurt's edit was vandalism. Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. See Wikipedia:Assume good faith for the guidelines on this. -- JHunterJ 15:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

JHunterJ, Kurt have shown enough to assume POV pushing rather than bad faith. And please do not use patronizing templates to leave a message to anyone but newbies. If you have anything to say to the user, like Ghirla, please take a minute to write it on your own. --Irpen 19:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


Don't we all just love Nixer. I could explain him for the zillionth time that what he does in plain rude, but technically he is not violating anything. As long as he doesn't, I just don't want to waste my time on one letter discrepancy, moving stuff back and forth. In this context, it doesn't make one iota of a difference. Unless his moves interfere with work of other editors (and please let me know if they do), I abstain.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Lvov familyEdit

Thanks for the reply. I was in Aleksin and Popovka yesterday. I now know that the last 2 sentences in that little section I wrote on the estate were rubbish. The house burnt down before WW2 having been used as a Dom Kulturi since the revolution. Are there any problems other than that? I think it would be a good idea to have some reference to the L'vov family's estate in Popovka on their page. I belive they were only there from the mid 19th century until the revolution but I still think it's relevant. There are various memorials to Georgi Evgenevich in both Aleksin and Popovka.

Thanks again.АварцыEdit

Could you expand Caucasian Avars by translating above mentioned article? I would be very grateful.

Regards, Luka Jačov 23:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I shall try to find time to translate some bits of this stuff over the following days. I don't relish their unsourced genocide blabber, though. --Ghirla -трёп- 12:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't bother meEdit

Any time you revert without discussion I will be happy to re-revert you. Note that I did not re-revert Mikkalai's revert even though he made the exact same revert because he entered discussion on the talk page. --Ideogram 01:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Ghirla, please, please,please forget about this guy and his reverts.

Remember June 17th? Yes, that was when you had a row over the redirection/disambiguation page Oleg, had a row with Halibutt and supported me against a RUSSIAN user over Pyotr Leschenko. June 17th was also the day when Ideogram proposed to mediate between you and Suicup. [18] The same day, he was at the village pump asking whether sending e-mails to other guys someone had a tiff with before proposing that person for RfC, would be considered canvassing for votes. [19] (archive, so you'll have to search for "Ideogram") Three days later, he is at your talk page, threatening with ArbCom. When you take this off, he suggests an RfC on you at the Russo-Turkish War talk page. All of this within his first month at Wikipedia. And now the mediator is in a revert war with you over exactly the same matter! So, forget it, putting up a NPOV disputed tag over that section was the only thing to do.--Pan Gerwazy 12:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for your alert. I have had apprehensions about this account from the very start. It would have been instructive to check it for sockpuppeteering, too. --Ghirla -трёп- 12:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
He's either really a young newbie who, in spite of or because of being at the computer for 16 hours every day, has failed as a moderator - or he's a returnee making calculated errors. In both cases, he won't be socketpuppeteering, I think. But again: forget about him. Take care and uspehov at Russian Wiki. (yes, I've been there) --Pan Gerwazy 13:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
It's quite amusing how paranoid you people are. Ghirla has accused me of trolling, wikistalking, revert-warring, and now sockpuppetry. You people are really incapable of assuming good faith, aren't you? --Ideogram 13:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Manuel TolsáEdit

Hi. That's not ridiculous at all, although I admit I should have cited a source for it. It's not my opinion, but an opinion expressed in several of my sources. (I'm not qualified to have an opinion on that question.) Here is one source:

"It is one of the finest in America, and, according to [Alexander von] Humboldt, second only to the statue of Marcus Aurelius in Rome." [20]

The original Humboldt quote is "M. Tolsa, professor of sculpture at Mexico, was even able to cast an equestrian statue of King Charles the Fourth; a work which, with the exception of the Marcus Aurelius at Rome, surpasses in beauty and purity of style everything which remains in this way in Europe."[21]

I actually toned that statement down somewhat to allow for the passage of time, for one thing. Both of the statues mentioned in the quote are used as illustrations in the Wikipedia article Equestrian statue.

Here is a quote from Frances Calderón de la Barca's Life in Mexico:

We spent a long time here examining these antiquities; but we have seen nothing in Mexico to equal the beauty of the colossal equestrian statue in bronze of Charles IV, placed on a pedestal of Mexican marble, which stands in the court of the University, but formerly adorned the middle of the square. It is a magnificent picture of sculpture, the masterpiece of Tolosa, remarkable for the noble simplicity and purity of its style, and was made at the expense of an ex-viceroy, the Marquis of Branciforte.[22]

My intention was to show the level of artistic achievement in Mexico at the time. I think that is an important point to make. I plan to put the direct quote from Humboldt in the article. I don't see how there could be any objection to that. But please let me know what you think. Rbraunwa 17:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I put the Humboldt quote in the article. Thanks for adding the other image, by the way. Rbraunwa 06:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK, againEdit

  On 15 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hospicio Cabañas, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--LV (Dark Mark) 15:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

  On 17 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vitebsk Rail Terminal, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Grue  11:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Falconet - Pygmalion & Galatee (1763).jpgEdit

Actually I do not know when the photo was taken. What it would be your advice? (meladina 13:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC))

  • I have reuploaded my photo as PD-self. Are you sure it is Falconet not Pietro Stagi? abakharev 15:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
    • It was not me who uploaded the image, so I'm not in the position to comment. --Ghirla -трёп- 16:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks anyway. Did you translate the Avarian Khanate from Russian Wikipedia too? Two new articles came from this who couldnt be more satisfied. Luka Jačov 16:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Congress of Berlin POV problemsEdit

We seem to be unable to agree on what to leave here, as I've changed it several times now only to have you revert it. Since continuing as we've been is pointless and fruitless, let's see if we can come to some sort of agreement about what to put in. The official name of the city on the Bosphorus has not been Constantinople for several hundred years, since the Ottoman takeover in 1453. It seems like a better idea to me to list the then-official name of the city rather than a Western name, but I am not hard set on that. However, I have a problem with the phrase "Bulgaria and several Orthodox Slavic states were precluded from gaining independence after centuries of the Muslim Ottoman yoke." The whole sentence reads as being negatively biased against Muslims and Ottomans, and positively biased towards the Orthodox Slavs. The word "yoke" in particular has only negative meanings in this context. While some may have/do consider the Ottoman rule of the Balkans to be oppressive, it is not the place of a neutral encyclopedia to decide whether or not it was oppressive. And finally, just to set the record straight, I am neither Turkish nor Muslim, nor do I have any feelings one way or the other about Turks or Muslims. My changes have not been nationalist, rather they are simply an attempt to keep the article neutral. Considering the anti-Muslim Ottoman and pro-Orthodox Slavic nature of this phrase, however, I can't help but wonder if you may have some bias yourself? I don't mean that as an insult, just an observation. I sincerely hope we can work this problem out to both of our satisfaction. Please feel free to post any comments on my talk page as well. Tev 23:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

See Tev's talk page. --VKokielov 07:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
You asked me for my third opinion. I gave it to you. It wouldn't insult you if I did what you just did?
I wipe my hands. Do what you want. Settle it between yourselves. --VKokielov 07:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Have you ever heard that it's easier to break than to make? Take a look at my history of contributions. How many times did I revert anything? How many times did I erase anything? Why is that? --VKokielov 08:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't consider this sentence to be POV. I interpret it as a reflection of the 19th century state of mind of the involved Balkan Slavs, as an explanation of their feelings and motivation, which itself is a historical fact. -- Voyevoda 09:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Not sure I got everything of what VKokielov said there, but I'm satisfied with the article as it is now. Thanks to everyone involved, I'd much rather have resolved this peacefully, and I'm glad we could do so. Tev 14:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh well, "yoke" is actually a word I would, too, usually avoid using. When I deal with the topic I'd almost always refer to the period as 'Ottoman rule', because I believe this term reflects the essence of it better (although 'Turkish yoke' was once used in the Bulgarian historiography, it is now obsolescent). Also, referring to the Ottoman Empire as 'Turkish' is anachronistic. The years Bulgaria spent under the Ottoman Empire are about 480, so 'almost five centuries' would be better in my opinion (this is usually how it is referred to). Hope my opinion was of use to you :) TodorBozhinov 22:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Other opinions are always welcomed in a dispute, and I think you managed to sum up my point in regards to the use of yoke far better than I managed to! Tev 05:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Dafni redirectEdit

Hi Ghirlandajo,

You changed the redirect of Dafni from the disambiguation page to the monastery page, stating that it caused the article to be orphaned. I don't understand this, as there would still be tonnes of links to the monastery page, especially from the World Heritage template you recently changed to reflect the move. The point of a disambiguation page is for people who type a subject into the search box. Preferably, no article should link to a disambiguation page, but directly link to the desired article. So the argument of changing a redirect due to orphaning reasons shouldn't occur. The links that now link to the Dafni redirect (since the exclusion of the world heritage areas) are mostly trying to link to one the towns. I would like to change it back, but would rather wait for your reply. Thanks --liquidGhoul 11:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It was listed on Requested Moves, and it was in the backlogs. Therefore it wasn't moved hastily, as it was at RM for a longer period than it should have been. Secondly, there has been a discussion on the talk page since July 4, which is ample time. Your reason for not moving was addressed by the other editors in the discussion, and you never replied to them. How am I suppposed to know the validity of your claim if you no longer discuss it? I did check for myself, and the article said that "Daphni is a monastery", and there was no mention of a shrine. It has been 15 days since your last edit on the talk page, and it looks as though you conceeded defeat or don't care enough to participate. If you actually persisted with a discussion, then you may have swayed other voters, and your vote would have held more power as it is substantiated. Consensus requires discussion, and according to that discussion, consensus was reached. --liquidGhoul 12:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what Ghirla is talking about. I already reverted the Dafni page so it links to the Dafni (disambiguation) page. One by one, I am fixing all links that the "link to" the Dafni page. A lot of them are meant to link to the suburb Dafni south of Athens while a few of them are meant to link to various other places called Dafni (some of which don't even have articles). Only a few on them were meant to link to Daphni Monastery. Hope this helps.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, all done. Please see my note here for more info.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 15:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Georgy Zhukov MediationEdit


School project (or whatever that is) is back again, I would guess. I wonder if they are going to pillage articles on Russian cities every semester; it's getting quite tiring. I still have a backlog from previous occurences. I wish they at least answered any inquiries, but they never do, which is a pity. If we could show them how to do things right, they could be very useful. Anyway, I copyedited Orenburg, please feel free to review in case I missed anything.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Was it? I have nothing to look it up at this time. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


  On 21 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sarir, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Grue  17:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


You cited some academics in this article but it doesn't seem to show the source from which you pulled the information. Could you please add that while it's probably still fresh in your mind? gren グレン 07:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Привет! Как я выяснил, существует 2 статьи про одного моего земляка. Mikhail Devyatayev и Mikhail Petrovich Devyatayev. Нельзя ли привлечь общественнось к разарботке одной и наиболее полной статьи :) Кстати, среди жителей Казани Девятаев считается "сомнительным героем", т.к. как рассказывают, немцы после его побега провели децимацию узников лагеря... зато куда большей его заслугой считается тоЮ, что он испытывал и водил первыые в мире суда на подводных крыльях ("Ракеты"). --Untifler 14:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Russo-Turkish War, 1710-1711Edit

I inserted "Russian Tsardom" (the term found in "Muscovy" intro) to avoid the "Muscovy" reference, which sounds stupid in reference to this time period. Could you please split the Muscovy article to make a good reference to a period of Russian history after "великое княжество Московское" and before Russian Empire? Is there a good English term? `'mikka (t) 18:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Petrine Russia was Imperial Russia in all but the name. As Russia was de facto imperial, not Muscovite, between the foundation of St Pete in 1703 and Peter's assumption of the imperial title in 1721, the link to Imperial Russia is quite justified. --Ghirla -трёп- 18:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
But the proble is that in RTW 1710-11 the rererence is to Russia (an article about the modern state). Please re-read carefully my questions. While you are right, it was not called "Empire". IMO we need a good reference term for this intermediate time period. `'mikka (t) 18:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


  On 22 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Avar Khanate, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Grue  19:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

что значит by no means typical stalinist?Edit

Это как?! Этот стиль - не только высотки в Москве. Такое здание не могло быть построено до революции, ни в эпоху конструктивизма, ни тем более во времена хрущёвок/брежневок. Это типичный стиль сталинского периода. Почему ты думаешь иначе? ----Ъыь <;sup>(mailbox) 11:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

А это - тоже не сталинский стиль?! ----Ъыь (mailbox) 11:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. P.S. Я не из Красноярска. --Ъыь (mailbox) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you, Ghirlandajo for the explanation of the "peacock language". Now I really agree with you on that. And you really understand about styles of architecture. Drama of songs is when a poet becomes a playwriter and writes a play Juraune 11:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome. --Ghirla -трёп- 12:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


  On 24 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pella Palace, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Once again, thanks for the great article -- Samir धर्म 13:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Pella PalaceEdit

It is not the first time I tell you this. You do not have any editorial control over the presentation or content of an article. This revert had no justification whatsoever. Circeus 15:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern OrthodoxyEdit

Hi there! I've noticed that you've edited articles pertaining to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I wanted to extend an invitation to you to join the WikiProject dedicated to organizing and improving articles on the subject, which can be found at: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. This WikiProject was begun because a need was perceived to raise the level of quality of articles on Wikipedia which deal with the Eastern Orthodox Church.

You can find information on the project page about the WikiProject, as well as how to join and how to indicate that you are a member of the project. Additionally, you may be interested in helping out with our collaboration of the month. I hope you'll consider joining and thank you for your contributions thus far! —A.S. Damick talk contribs 18:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

re:Template:Hero CitiesEdit

I'm not sure what is the problem with inclusion. I can see a potential case for not having it at all (that the link is rather coincidental and not necessarily worthy of a navigational template, but I doubt that'll be enough for TFD), but as long as the template exists, I am not sure what arguments can be proposed against its inclusion in Moscow or Kiev. Is there some potential PoV issue that I'm not seeing?

I can see one or two ways the template can be refactored, though. Right now, I'm not sure why it should take as wide a space as it does, and the split by countries does not seem to be so relevant. After all, it is their status as Hero Cities that is outlined in the emplate, not their exact location ({{Rapid transit in the former Soviet Union}}, to take a random example, has no such split). Besides, if I am not mitaken, they were all part of the same political entity at the time they were awarded. Circeus 14:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I'll rework it as soon as I'm done with my watchlist review. Circeus 17:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Is the version now better? Circeus 02:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


Re this. "Of which it is now considered a suburb" implies that there is an official definition of a "suburb" (there is none in Russia). It also suggests that Kola is currently subordinated to Murmansk or is even a part of it, but in reality it is not directly subordinated to either Murmansk or to Murmansk Oblast. It is a raion-level town, the administrative center of its own Kolsky Raion.

The fact is that Kola is located in the vicinity of Murmansk, and that Murmansk and Kola residents probably view Kola as a "suburb", because Kola was Murmansk's sattelite for so long. That, however, is just a colloquial expression. I am not convinced that such wording is better for encyclopedic purposes than my version.

If you have any suggestions as to how to improve wording without losing essential information, I am quite open to hearing them. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I would still like to hear your response to this, please.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, that's what I thought (that you used the term in informal sense). I do believe that "satellite" is more precise, though. A "suburb" in general is a residential district, i.e., a part of town within its administrative boundaries or an administrative entity immediately adjacent to them. Although there is no official definition of a suburb in Russia, even in informal sense it is somewhat misleading when applied to Kola. A "satellite" town is one closely associated with a bigger urban entity, but still administratively separate from it.
My other question was why you removed the bit about Kola being granted town status again in 1965. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, it does, but it's not immediately obvious. Anyway, I don't have strong feelings about this. Thanks for taking time to answer.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

"Incompetent" move back to Pik LeninaEdit

I moved the page back to Pik Lenina because it is not clear that Independence Peak is the correct name. A Tajik presidental web page contradicts this and was cited on the talk page. I think that Lenina should be retained until the situation is clarified; this is, after all, a Tajik mountain, not a Russian one. I thought it was OK to move pages (back) in this manner but the move was contested (unfortunately I overlooked this on my watchlist) so I will look into and probably take up the proper procedure. Viewfinder 01:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


Hey. I wouldn't speak too soon. The Poles are pretty tenacious, and doubtless will campaign vigorously or find some device to get it moved to a Polonocentric name. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 14:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid these fanatics already started this campaign. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I seem to have stumbled into a historical picture preferenceEdit

Hi, I noticed your edit comments on the page for Nevsky Prospekt about the "superior" historical image that I replaced. I had not read the Nevsky Prospekt page prior to visiting today but was certainly surprised not to find a modern picture in place. I realized that I had a few, though they were certainly not the most stellar examples. I guess there's no reason to "orphan" one of the historical pictures, but I hope you aren't implying that there shouldn't be a picture there from the last hundred years! Maybe all three can be on there? (I only delinked the one because of the excess of pictures on the page!) If you have a better modern picture, that would also be fabulous. Let me know what you think InvictaHOG 16:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic slurEdit

Ghirlandajo, I agree with you that there have been some problems from some members of the Polish Wikipedian community. However, I find this particular comment that you made about Poles being a type of "Holes", offensive [23]. Could I please ask you to reconsider your words, and remove the comment? --Elonka 17:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ghirlandajo, you have been active since the above request was made, but I see no reply here or on Elonka's talk page. Please respond as soon as possible, see WP:AN/I#Ethnic_slur for more on this subject. - CHAIRBOY () 17:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ghirlandajo, I've restored the above comment that you accidentally removed. Please be more careful in the future. - CHAIRBOY () 20:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Ghirlandajo, I see that following my request, that you did indeed comment out the statement that I had concerns about [24], though I didn't find out about this until after your block (I don't routinely scour your contributions). In 20-20 hindsight, I would have liked if you had told me that you took the action. However, for what it's worth, I would like to thank you for removing the comment, and I apologize for any mis-match in communications. On the whole, I think that you are a very productive and hard-working editor, and I welcome your point-of-view in discussions, as long as you are able to present them in a civil manner. At this point, if you are willing, I too am willing to wipe the slate clean and start fresh, and look forward to working with you towards our common goal of improving Wikipedia. Is this acceptable to you? --Elonka 18:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Svetlogorsk photosEdit

Здравствуй Гирландайо! Хочу спросить - чем тебе так понравились зимнее фотки летнего курорта? :) Речь идет о Светлогорске. Если кому интересно, на статье уже есть ссылка на Wikimedia Commons где старые фотки и другие (кстати я туда свои помещу чтобы потом на Русской и других уикипедиях разместить). Еще вопрос - почему ревертал последний параграф? Moonshiner 23:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Yury VeltenEdit

  • I see that you have changed the names within the article, but not moved it to Yury Veldten. What is your source for his "original name", and, if correct, would it still be preferred to use the "original" over the version more commonly used today? (See WP:NC for article naming conventions). Also (and this is a matter of personal taste), I think I prefer the previous image. --Dystopos 16:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal remarksEdit

There is never a reason to make personal remarks about another editor, and nationality has nothing to do with editing. If you have a complaint about a specific editor's behavior, that's one thing, but there is no reason to refer to groups of editors by their nationality, as you did here. This is not the first time this has been a problem, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/AndriyK#Ghirlandajo_warned and Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ghirlandajo. Thus, I am blocking you for 48 hours and warning you again to avoid personal remarks. Friday (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Half a year ago, when Piotr enthusiastically pursued his anti-Ghirlandajo campaign to which the above links allude, the ArbCom decided the issues of blocking, not some stray and reckless admin who failed to explain which "ethnic slur" I used and to which editor I applied it. That such cheap and habitual tricks from the editor with whom I have not spoken or otherwise interacted for months is given full credit now, shows how low the standards have plunged here and that the likes of him, bonny-like manipulating through delations behind the back of others, are more needed here than myself. The Poles use all of us like holes. There is no denying it now. --Ghirla -трёп- 19:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Your talk is cheap unless you state succinctly where is the offense. Piotrus always has a grudge against me, if you follow his incessant and groundless complaints which have been going on for two years, I feel pity for you. I can see no offense in literal copying and pastying a comment from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities, which has caused no reproach there. Why don't you block User:Miborovsky who first posted this joke? Why don't you block a dozen editors who joined him? Although I never addressed it to a Polish editor, I deleted the comment immediately following Elonka's request above, yet Balcer restored it a minute later. Why don't you block Balcer, especially as it was he who disregarded the consensus by moving Jogaila as he thought fit? The whole affair belies your assertion that "nationality has nothing to do with editing". I see that you chose to single me out of numerous editors who were accessory to this rather harmless joke, without a prior warning, only because one Polish admin pursues his rabid anti-Ghirlandajo crusade on WP:AN and there is no instrument to defrock him, as admins are no held accountable in this project. In short, this project becomes less reputable day by day and evolves into a haven for brainless admins who seek to oust content creators. If you didn't bother to look into the matters before fucking me, fuck you all too. --Ghirla -трёп- 18:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I provided a diff of the edit in question, as you can see in the message I left you. I have no opinion on the other matters you bring up here. You may also wish to look at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Ethnic_slur, which is what brought this to my attention. Friday (talk) 19:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

S volkami zhit, po volchyi vyt. Protiv loma net priyoma esli net drugogo loma. Duraka rabota lyubit. Proletarii vseh stran soedinaites. Ili pan ili propal. Tolko blednolitsy mozhet tri raza nastupit na odni i te zhe grabli. That's all I can say in this respect. `'mikka (t) 22:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

A translation upon request of curious colleagues: To live with wolves means to howl like wolves. There is no technique against a pick (a long heavy pointed metal bar used for digging (and ass-kicking); no wikipedia article looks like) if you don't have another pick. A fool is loved by hard work. Proletarians of all countries, unite! Either you be of szlachta or you are done in. <<< Chingachgook The Great Snake, Osceola The Seminole Chieftain and Sherlock Holmes are sitting in the night by the fire silently smoking a Peace pipe. There is a rustle in the bushes. Chingachgook steps into the darkness, there is a smacking sound, Chinga returns with a black eye, and proceeds with silent smoking... There is another rustle in the bushes. Osceola steps into the darkness, there is a smacking sound, Osceola returns with a black eye, and proceeds with silent smoking...There is yet another rustle. Mr. Holmes steps into the darkness, there is a smacking sound, then another one... Holmes returns with two black eyes, Chingachgook solemnly nods to Osceola: "Only Whiteface can step twice onto the one and the same rake."...>>> Eto vsyo chto ya mogu skazat po etomu povodu. `'mikka (t) 00:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


{{unblock reviewed}}

  • | While there is a very late night in Russia now, I am putting this request on my own judgement at the talk page of one of the most valuable editors who, I think, was blocked in error. I am asking Friday or another neutral an uninvolved admin to review the matter giving it a thorough attention. For details, please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#A_thorough_review_is_requested at WP:ANI and links thereof. --Irpen 02:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • |2= This is only a 48-hour block. While I'm sure Ghirlandajo appreciates Irpen's support, I'm not going to even consider unblocking if Ghirlandajo doesn't make the request.Mangojuicetalk 16:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
As the issuer of the block, I'm obviously not neutral here. I wish for more input at an/i, tho. Friday (talk) 03:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Any admin that would try and review this block is hereby strongly encouraged to read the whole WP:ANI thread, and click on all evidence provided by both parties, not just Piotrus. It will give a clear picture of what is going on and hopefully lead to unblock. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 11:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

See also the discussion on my talkpage. dab () 16:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • User unblocked after 24 h. I maintain that immediate long blocks are warranted only in the case of grave abuse. Any "cumulative" accusations require deliberation. We are not going to block Elonka for defamation of Ghirla when she wrongfully insisted that Ghrla said "Poles are holes", are we?
(BTW I don't see her rushing to apologize for misunderstanding, but rather a flurry of "yes, but..." from Polish wikipedians. Which hardly can be interpreted as an intention to bury a hatchet. I suggest everyone to stop for a while and think: what is the ultimate goal: to punish Ghirla or to improve the cooperation?) `'mikka (t) 17:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Can someone tell me, or translate for me, the meaning (as a native speaker of English, I don't understand the remark), what the meaning of the phrase the Poles use us like holes is suppose to mean in English. It's seems pejorative on the surface, but I honestly don't understand its intent or what it is supposed to mean. Thanks, Dr. Dan 18:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Holes I presume would be taken to refer to Sexual orifices. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 18:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Hold on here now. First of all, the exact phrase of Ghirla is The Poles treat other wikipedians as holes. That is why I firmly stand that grave accusations and resulting long block require proper deliberation. Of course, the Poles use us like holes sounds as "Poles fuck us". While "The Poles treat other wikipedians as holes" means "Poles treat other wikipedians as empty space", i.e., Poles ignore our opinion and do whatever they want one way or another (well, after some thinking, it is basically the same as the first version :-) but at least not so offensively phrased). FUI, there is a common Russian expression "to give (or to have) a hole from bublik". (wow, a missing article here! : "bublik" is a ring-shaped roll of white bread or pastry, like bagel, but definitely different: large hole and stiff crust. The Sbitenshchik in the picture has bubliks on top of the string and a string of smaller rings called baranki. Still smaller (and drier) rings exist (not shown), called sushki). `'mikka (t) 18:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Not sure where this is leading us, but I would like to point out that 3 minutes before Ghirla wrote his second version of the "joke" (interestingly, I would not be surprised if it was a Dutchman who invented thisjoke) the word "holes" was used by someone else in the meaning of "empty space": [[25]].--Pan Gerwazy 18:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK reminderEdit

Just a friendly reminder to list DYK proposals at the bottom of the relevant date, rather than the top. BigHaz 22:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Alexander PalaceEdit

Dear Ghirlandajo:

It's Bob Atchison from the Alexander Palace Time Machine. I changed, corrected (we have redone many of the online books) and added some links on some of your pages that pertain to the Romanovs and the Alexander Palace, but you deleted them as spam. We have thousands of pages in our site - as you know - and Yahoo named it "Site of the Year" a few years back. Millions of people visit the site every year and our 20 online books are used by schools around the globe. Our discussion forum on Russian History has around 4,000 registered users and 200,000 postings in the 18 months. We are not trying to get more traffic via these links - we have lots already. I posted these from my IP - I didn't get an account until just now so that I could write you.

Rulers of Kievan Rus'Edit

You may be interested in this addition, about which purported knyaz I have never heard. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible Molobo returnEdit

It is a problem that I cannot use checkuser, as the logs do not go back far enough. Molobo's last edit was so long ago that I get no results, and have nothing to compare the current IPs to (even at Molobo's own request). The IP editor in question, however, is clearly a sockpuppet of someone, and someone who's been in the thick of it before. [26] Unfortunately, it's on many IPs, and so there's no easy solution. I suggest you go to WP:ANI and present the clear evidence that this is not a new user, but an abusive reincarnation of a probably banned user, and see if you can get some admins on his tail. Dmcdevit·t 17:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/WorkshopEdit

Thank you for your supportive comments here [27] They are appreciated. That Fred Bauder thinks I can be banned instead of Eternal Equinox has caused me to have a severe sense of humour failure. In retrospect, of course instead of making light of Eternal Equinox, I should have taken her very seriously - which is what she wanted - but frankly she and her edits on our talk pages were (at best) a joke - so one could either laugh or cry, and crying has never been my style. That Fred Bauder thinks Bishonen should be "cautioned" is, in short, disgusting. She seems to spend hours and hours trying to create harmony on the site, and takes her responsibilities as an admin 100 times more seriously then most of the others. I think the Arb-com now needs a huge kick, and to rid itself of insulting and incompetent buffoons. I expect I shall stick around Wikipedia, but at the moment mu entheusiasm for it is at an all time low. Sorry this is a (sort of) spammed message, but when I saw all of your comments for the first time this evening, I felt a quick response was necessary, but that makes it no less sincere. Thanks once again, it's nice to feel supported. Giano | talk 19:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


  On 1 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tauride Palace, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Syrthiss 13:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Baku fire templeEdit

hi Ghirla - I don't know anything about it, but it looks fairly referenced, and agreement seems to have been reached between editors, so I assume it's ok. The only way to be sure is to check the references yourself, of course. regards, dab () 22:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Pointless editsEdit

I was waiting for someone to point out. Hahahha. Thanks. --Bhadani 15:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I reserve the right to disappoint you.   --Bhadani 15:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! --Bhadani 15:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

In (the) Bryansk OblastEdit

Hah, I knew you'd ask! Anyway, first of all, Google is not our friend, it's just a tool that can easily be misused (any common typo would collect a respectable number of hits, for example). Second, your googlefight link is to "Bryansk region" vs. "the Bryansk region", which is not the same as Bryansk Oblast ("Bryansk region" can refer to any area around Bryansk, not necessarily to just the oblast). "Bryansk region" can easily take the definite article, when one speaks of a certain (i.e., previously defined) region around Bryansk. Third, look at this :) Fourth, the number of hits returned in both cases is too small to make an accurate judgement. Fifth, I actually happened to ask native speakers about what they think of this issue—you can find the discussion in my archives here—the bottom line is that while using the definite article before the name of a krai/oblast is not entirely incorrect, it sounds archaic. I ain't gonna argue with an English major on that :) And finally, the majority of articles utilizing the similar construct ("in X Oblast") do not use definite articles, so I removed the one in question partially for consistency sake. Hope this answers your questions.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


I thought that you may be interested: [28] - [29] - [30] & BTW, like you I too had thought of leaving, but did not as we have miles to go! --Bhadani 17:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

May be you would like to:: value-add to these comments. Regards. --Bhadani 17:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Novosil - town statusEdit

Hi there Andrei! I got this info from the Russian Wikipedia. There's also a Мой Город encyclopedia (sort of), which says the same. If you know for sure you can prove otherwise, go ahead and change it, I'm all for it :). KNewman 18:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

About your edits of Avarian SiteEdit

Вы пишите по-английски на аварской странице, что "Шамхальство Тарковское съыграло выдающуюся роль в разгроме Надиршаха в местности Андала". Во-первых,не "Андала", а "Андалал", а во-вторых вы всё перепутали. Кумыки (тюркоязычный народ в Дагестане) были не только покорены Надиршахом, но выступили даже в качестве его союзников. что же касается Казикумухцев (кавказоязычных лакцев), то они первоначально попытались сопротивляться Надиршаху, однако были разбиты.Шамхал Сурхайхан сдался в плен. Егьо сын-Муртазаали сумел бежать с небольшим отрядом. Аварские вольные общества вместе с самым крупным вольным обществом- Андалал ('Andalal четыре дня (под трёхдневным проливным дождём) бились с Надиршахом. Никакой помощи от лакского Муртазаали не было. Он явился со своей конницей лишь на четвёртый день, когда исход битвы был уже решён.-- 22:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Dear GhirlaEdit

Dear Ghirla, I'm truly sorry to bother you at your talk page, but if you don't mind to give me just a little moment, I would like to talk with you for a minute. I swear, it won't take long.

I wish to thank you for taking the time to take part in my RfA. The fact that one of the greatest contributors Wikipedia can boast of having has noticed it, is in itself a flattery to me, and this I tell you from the heart. I must tell you, tho, that your words have left me very concerned. You express that promoting new admins is a threat to hard working editors. I am worried that you, or anyone, may think of me as I threat to your evidently great work. I'm not sure if you're speaking on a general basis, or just about me; the fact that you said this solely at my RfA seems to indicate the latter, which is why I'm concerned. Have I done something you consider wrong, or acted inappropriately, or did something that may lead you to think I could abuse the tools? I'm simply asking you this in order to improve, since I don't want you to change your opinion in the least - I've said at my RfA, and many times, that one should express what our heart really tells us, and that means your !vote should stay as it is. I'm only asking you this because of the concern that being distrusted causes me.

Dear Ghirla, I'm sorry to bother you, I truly am. I just wish to make sure that you know you have nothing to fear from me - in fact, the only time that I recall we've ever interacted was when I agreed with a point you expressed once. I hold you in the highest respect, and I'd be extremely happy to talk with you if you wish more information on the matter. Warm regards, and До свидания, Phaedriel The Wiki Soundtrack! - 16:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

That was a very sweet thing you did, my dear Andrey, tho I didn't want you to switch your vote, but just to put your mind at rest! :) I'm so incredibly happy that this has served me to add yet one more Russian friend to my list, and I hope you consider me your own from this moment on. Someday, soon I hope, we should talk more and I'd be delighted to hear your words about your beautiful country, which I was blessed to visit seven years ago. Indeed, the absence of Izehar, and especially Latinus, who is a dear friend of mine, is saddening. I hold the hope that someday they'll surprise us and return to WP - and if that happens, make sure to bring the champagne, I'll bring the cake! :) Hugs, and всего наилучшего! Phaedriel The Wiki Soundtrack! - 16:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Olgierd is polonized version of AlgirdasEdit

Dear Girlandajo, I am lituanizing only Lithuanian names. Algirdas is one of them. Could you provide your arguments, why I am not rigth, stating, that Olgierd is polonised version of name Algirdas. Orionus 11:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, Ghirlandajo. At the moment I really do not have enough competence to dispute with you Olgierd/Algirdas problem. If you are right, my apologies are here [31].

Children RailroadEdit

Yes, this stub as it stands now is quite funny. According to this website, although some of the CR became derelict, a lot of them are still functioning and operated by children, including the one in Yaroslavl. Also, interwiki there is wrong and should point here, not to a CR in Minsk. OK, I'll try to fix the article, although I don't know, whether I'll have a time to expand it. Cmapm 18:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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World War II controvercyEdit

Do you have time please to have a look on the World War II. There is some movement leading to Nazi apology end even saying Germany started the war some users call "bias against German people". Probably I need some support.--Nixer 09:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Battle of TarutinoEdit

Hi. Thanx for the attention paid to my efforts. I was not able to find out the exact amount of Russian troops who participated in the battle. The original figure 22000 was a mistake and i deleted it. I found in От Тарутино до Малоярославца. К 190-летию Малоярославецкого сражения. / Сб. статей. – Калуга: «Золотая аллея», 2002 [32] that the total amount in the Tarutino camp was 97000 but it does not mention how much did really participate in the assault. Probably you have better sources? Blacklake (Talk) 20:20 August 7 2006 (UTC)


You should reconsider your wording, becase it's biased and not based on any facts (ureferenced, and cannot be refernced). it's not only Lithuanian historians who find first capital of GDL in Vilnius - but also, Polish, German, Belarusians. I'm preparing list of references. an dpleas, explain what does mean "traditionaly"?--Lokyz 07:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with Gediminyds now? Asking for references is nationalistic trolling? Look to a WP:Style for a words to be avoided - it's obvious that "some sources" is not a proof neither reference, and merely an opinion. Any reference would help here. Also not mentioning hypothesis as a brother is neglecting research, and is also a POV.--Lokyz 11:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

If you take a look at the top of this page, you will see my warning that "Edits by established ghirlaphobes from Poland and former Polish dominions will be promptly removed". That's what I'm going to do with your trolling. I see that your edits are motivated solely by lithuanian nationalism. As such, they will be reverted on sight. --Ghirla -трёп- 11:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Wow, what a declaration, to a simple quoestion. Sounds very cooperative. Do you mean all my edits will, be reverted by you without even evaluating? BTW I've never considered myself form Polish dominion or Ghirlaphobe, just wondering - when i did became one.--Lokyz 11:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


  On 7 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kiy Island, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Novodevichy ConventEdit

Hi, I noticed your two beautiful images of Novodevichy Convent. I have a less lovely picture, but one which is in the public domain. I was thinking I might replace one of the fair use pictures but thought you might have some feelings one way or the other (or even have a superb picture of your own!) InvictaHOG 02:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, got busy editing! I have uploaded two images to the commons of the convent! The categorization is going slowly, though InvictaHOG 20:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


  On 10 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Stalin PrizeEdit

There exist category "Nobel Prize winners" and even "Heroes of Socialist Labour" why do you oppose the category "Stalin Prize winners"?--Nixer 17:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Georgian-Abkhaz conflictEdit

Please list me the phrases you feel wrong and I will deal with them. I do agree the article is biased. Unfortunately I have no knowledge here. `'mikka (t) 18:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Nikita Khrushchev's estimates on Winter WarEdit

I reverted your edit because 1,000,000 is sourced here. Search with Khrushchev and you'll come up with "According to Khrushchev, 1.5 million men were sent to Finland and one million of them were killed. 1000 aircraft, 2300 tanks and armored cars and an enormous amount of other war.."

That's a very high and unrealistic estimate but if that's true that Krushchev said that then it should be like that. Show a source that shows 270,000? I was not able not find. --Pudeo 19:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It indeed seems to be true, check this. --Pudeo 19:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a myth resulting IMHO from crappy knowledge of Russian, see article's talk for details.
If there is another source supporting the figure, okay. But there is no such thing in Khrushchev's memoirs. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 20:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Take it from an American like myself: there are many, many wild myths in this country about Russian/Soviet history. That the American imagination is fertile ground for such myths is believed to stem from two sources: many anti-Russian, anti-tsarist immigrants to this country from the Russian Empire between 1880-1910 (which is understandable, given that many of these people were persecuted by the tsars), and the anti-Russian hysteria that burgeoned here as a result of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1918 and the post-WW2 Cold War between the US and the USSR.
I would argue that another source of these myths is the fact that culturally and academically Russia has always been somewhat isolated from the West. For this reason, Western histories of Russian events are believed to be the "truth" here, with the often more realistic Russian historical accounts being regarded with suspicion by common Americans.
Right now, I'm trying to write truthful accounts of Russian battles with the French in the Napoleonic Wars, and I'm running into resistance because there are so many wild, inaccurate historical narratives circulating here in the US about that subject...all disparaging of Russians, of course.
Kenmore 04:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)kenmore

Slavic dragonEdit

Many sources in Polish. But check out this: [33] Is it enough?

Lajsikonik 23:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Igor, father of Svyatoslav?Edit

Hi there, Ghirlandajo. You seem knowledgeable in the area, so I'll ask you if Igor was the father of Svyatoslav. If so, then there should be a clear statement of this in Svyatoslav's article. --Jugbo 17:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


  On 13 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kamenny Monastery, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks Ghirla. Tweaked the tagline a bit, hope it's ok. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 23:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK reduxEdit

  On 14 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pechenga Monastery, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

And another. Thanks kindly for your work at DYK! -- Samir धर्म 06:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


This was your reply On January 16, 2006 when I suggested that the result should read "Marginal French victory:"

"It's OK with me but I would like to know what other editors think."

In your last edit, you spoke about "consensus," but no such thing exists among the editors involved. There are basically two camps: those who want to label it "indecisive" and those who want something like "Pyrrhic victory." There's no consensus; don't try to suggest there is.UberCryxic 15:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


  On 15 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article New Holland Island, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Vyborg vs. ViipuriEdit

I returned Finnish name to Vyborg at the time when it was refered officially in Finnish (in a similar manner it is still referred in it's Swedish form of Vyborg's Swedish era. It is used in the similar way as in the article of Byzantium/Constatinopolis/Istanbul or Tsaritsyn/Stalingrad/Volgograd, where the historic names are used when explaining their periods. In fact, I'm not satisfied how the history is presented currently, it gives too much space to the last century, and highlights it against previous centuries.

Also, after the Winter War, the town was incorporated to Karelo-Finnish SSR and it retained it's Finnish name. Only after the Continuation War was the town (with Priozersk) incorporated to Leningrad Oblast. (BTW, should we also stop talking about the Siege of Leningrad and talk about the Siege of Saint Petersburg instead?)

And I truly like to see more text about current Vyborg. --Whiskey 13:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

How busy are you?Edit

I was just re-reading Palladian architecture this evening, it realy does need a brief section on Russian Palladianism, that picture dumped at the bottom of the page looks all wrong - please write just a few words for a section on the subject - if you don't - I will, and it will be all wrong, and then all you Russians will pile in on it - so in the long run it will be more simple for you to do it in the first instance.........please? .........nice begging pretty please? Giano | talk 19:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Orlov trotterEdit

The Khrenovsky stud is situated near the town of Bobrov in Voronezh oblast', not near Novomoskovsk in Tula oblast'. See here. Also thanks for the image and for the two DYK nominations. Probably you can find some more images for this article? Blacklake (Talk) 11:38 August 16 2006

OK, I'll see what I can do. --Ghirla -трёп- 09:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

ochen harashoEdit

and thank you for the honor. You seem to be well in control of your material, I will defer to you any decisions. Regards, Haiduc 11:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Do we?Edit

[34]. Do we really require links in other languages? Thanks. --Bhadani 13:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


  Did you know? was updated. On 16 August, 2006, a fact from the article Águas Livres Aqueduct, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Coordinates TemplateEdit

Hello, I propose that we use Template:coor title dm instead of Template:CoorHeader for geographic coordinates of cities and towns. The latter one requires seconds, which are useless to indicate for large objects like towns. The seconds are normally omitted, which results in a treble apostrophe with the latter template.


  On 19 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Uzkoye, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

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Unreferenced templateEdit

I'm sorry about my edits. I will stick the template on the talk pages. Thanks for pointing this out to me. -- Underneath-it-All 17:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Tiziano Vecelli.jpg listed for deletionEdit

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Tiziano Vecelli.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Wwagner 22:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi! Could you please support our request at: (Belarusian - Orthography Revision of 1959). Thank you! -- 82.209.xx.xx 10:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look if you have timeEdit

Thanks for standing up for the truth here: [[35]]

Apparantely this user does not desist and now claims Ossetic is not an Indo-European language! Please see Ossetic and its talk page.

That is why I have complained against this user and ask you if you have time to also complain:

--Ali doostzadeh 01:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Crests of Vladimir, Yaroslav and others rulers of RusEdit

If you dont belive that members of the Ruriks family, pat. Svyatoslav, Volodymer and Yaroslav, had been using "trident"-like symbols as personal crests on coins and seals, you should look through e-net pages (even russian pages or about the early "heraldry" or Rus. The Rurikids used "trident" not because they were Ukrainian nationalists, but because it was their family symbol. Regards-- 13:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

"Trydent" of Vladimir (Volodymer) and CoEdit

If you dont belive that members of the Ruriks family, pat. Svyatoslav, Volodymer and Yaroslav, had been using "trident"-like symbols as personal crests on coins and seals, you should look through e-net pages (even russian pages or or about the early "heraldry" or Rus. The Rurikids used "trident" not because they were Ukrainian nationalists, but because it was their family symbol. Regards-- 13:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Please take a lookEdit

Another OR by the same user:

--alidoostzadeh 09:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!Edit

When you've unpacked, take a look at Château de Maisons, which is just a translation of French Wikipedia. --Wetman 07:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for welcomeEdit

Thanks for the welcome note. Have actually been here for sometime, but only recently configuring this username. Nice to have your note! —Antonios Aigyptostalk 09:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

On Andrea Del SartoEdit

Just a comment. On Andrea del Sarto you stated that wikipedia entries should not be "Critical assessment and legacy - WP is not image gallery; you can't list all of Sarto's paintings here)" . I disagree in part. I think an entry can list all of painters works or if not, in the future such an entry can be made into its own category. I would not want an entry to have all his images, but references to these is often a useful resource for someone to have. I thinks we need to set a balance here also, some modern artists have thousands of artworks, for them such as list would be impractical, but for most of the artists from the Renaissance, at most some of them have a hundred or so works worthy of recollection. I would vote for allowing such lists or if not, rather than deleting them, making them a linked category. Thanks.


Re: your edit to VilniusEdit

Before accusing anybody, first please investigate. Note the date when it was written. Renata 11:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Ghirla, explain this statement made by you, you are accusing me with something? M.K. 19:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please tone it downEdit

Hi, Cowman109 has alerted me to the following cases of gross incivility and what appear to be trolling or deliberately inflammatory comments: [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45]

I hope you'll agree that we cannot improve Wikipedia by encouraging that kind of warfare and personal attacks. Please tone it down. --Tony Sidaway 15:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please don't try to intimidate me. The community demonstrated that it does not trust admin tools to Carnildo and his admirors have to live with it. If you think that blanking user pages of others is OK, while any mention of the fact qualifies as "trolling", then I feel pity for you. Case closed. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Gross abuse of admin tools by User:Tony Sidaway against a wikipedian with about 50,000 edits. Tony Sidaway is involved into a dispute with me over the results of Carnildo's failed RfA. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I think this block should be reversed. It's being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Ghirlandajo for what it's worth. Friday (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't think anyone here (except me) feels like arguing with a Cabal member. This approach - shut up, we have the tools, so we are always right - has been tried against me many times. It's getting routine to be blocked for nothing (or for expressing one's disagreement with Carnildo's company, in this case). --Ghirla -трёп- 15:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • God this place is getting worse! Giano | talk 15:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    When I told you that there is a war of radical non-writing admins against prolific contributors, I was not joking :) That's why I advised you to desist. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
This is actually now becoming sinister. I'm going out for an hour or so. Hope you are stil here when I get back! Giano | talk 15
  • 54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Not today. It is already dark here in Russia. I have always known Mr. Sidaway for a bully and his latest escapade strengthened my negative opinion of him. Neither of my comments was "trolling" or "deliberately inflammatory". I just pointed out that Carnildo's case is a perfect example of how Wikipedia works nowadays. Mr. Sidaway has been known to profess that he regards RfA as "beauty pageants" and would like admins to be appointed by a Monarch and his coterie (which consists of five to six persons, you know). That's the direction that Wikipedia has been taking last months. Carnildo's case only exposed the general trend. I prefer a more democratic approach of the German Wikipedia; and my block is a result of my criticism. It reminds me old Soviet days. --Ghirla -трёп- 16:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I must say that Tony's block is an abuse of admin's rights, to put it mildly. Ever since I raised the issue of striking a balance between admins's indecisivenss leading to trollfest on one hand and admins through the hasty and unchecked application of the admin tools harming Wikipedia and its editors I've seen no headaway to this. Ghirlandajo's entries that started this whole thing could have been milder but in no way they warranted a block. Particularly, a 3 hour block is a totally useless action whose only purpose may be intimidation by adding to the user's block log. If it's purpose was warning, it is no more effective than a verbal warning added at talk. I find the particular action of Tony, normally a reasonable and useful admin with no nonsense judgement, dangereous, unwarranted and harmful and I strongly call on him to take a breath and think it over instead of going into the insinctive self-defence and/or defiance.
I consider admins who don't hesitate to use their judgement to fend off trolls an important asset of Wikipedia and Tony is one of such admins. At the same time, whoever takes it upon herself to use the judgement block should not do it carelessly. I hope Tony will post to Ghirla in a different tone to put this matter behind. I would be sorry to see my hope remain just a wishful thinking. --Irpen 16:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. It was :( --Irpen 20:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration caseEdit

Hello, there. This is a note to inform you that there is an arbitration case concerning you at WP:RFAR#Ghirlandajo. Thank you. Cowman109Talk 16:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Kudos for Russo-Polish War (1654-1667)Edit

For what's it worth to you, I think that's a good article. In writing such new articles is were your streght lies. Keep up such good job.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  15:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Ghirla, really, Piotrus is right and you deserve Kudos! A great article! Also note his response to a strange attempt to push him against you in that ArbCom. I think he deserves an acknowledgement :). Let's get back to editing and let those who prefer Wikilawyering to writing articles have their fun. --Irpen 07:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
How can I write anything if I feel persecuted and get blocked every other day for having gainsaid a blocker? Now, I shall have to concentrate on this vacuous arbitration case. As long as they force me to wikilawyer, I have to time for articles left. --Ghirla -трёп- 07:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey there you old Vodka pisser;> I just volunteered to help with your Wikilawyering. You go ahead and write more good articles like the one above, I'll try and hold off the politeness patrol and the inquisition. Even Piotrus has spoken up for you there. So with enemies like us, who needs friends;>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 09:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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