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Do articles within categories need to be up to date meaning that articles within the category: Military installations of Afghanistan requires that the base within the article is still operating? Gavbadger (talk) 22:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The category intro doesn't specify and there isn't a "former" subcategory yet; if you create one you can change the category, but it shouldn't just be removed. Dru of Id (talk) 00:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Help needed for information regarding category listing

I am currently attempting to improve all of the article within the category "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Royal_Air_Force_stations_in_Warwickshire" and my problem is that before i edit an article using my sandbox the article is listed within the category under the alphabetically like RAF Ansty will be under A but now i have edited the article the name has gone under the R section of category but i do not know what i accidentally may have done to move it.

Any Ideas?

Gavbadger (talk) 21:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

That's because of the defaultsort. Normally categories organise their contents by the full pagenames, but it's possible to override that by using {{DEFAULTSORT: sortkey}}, which affects all categories a page is in, and [[Category:Somecategory|sortkey]], if you only want to change a single category. In the case of [[RAF Ansty]], you changed the sortkey somewhere along the line, replacing {{DEFAULTSORT:Ansty}} with {{DEFAULTSORT:RAF Ansty}}, which is why it now sorts under the Rs. Does that make sense? — Isarra (talk) 23:54, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

pms.wikipedia.org

I have just found out i am a member of "pms.wikipedia.org" but i have never signed up for it and i can't read it or find out a decent translation for anything.

How can i remove it?

Gavbadger (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gavbadger, accounts are automatically created for every Wikimedia wiki you log in to (every language wikipedia for instance). This is the intended behaviour, and can't be turned off. See WP:SUL. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That is the Piedmontese language Wikipedia - http://pms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrada. There are 283 different language versions - see List of Wikipedias - and you may get the odd welcome message from other language WPs, but you don't need to worry about it or do anything. JohnCD (talk) 14:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

RAF Snaith

I have recently created an article within my sandbox about RAF Snaith "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gavbadger/sandbox" can i just create the article in the encyclopedia and transfer it over or is there an official way to place it there? Gavbadger (talk) 21:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks good enough to move already, although minor cleanup is still needed. From Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Punctuation and footnotes: (2nd sentence) 'When they coincide with punctuation, the tag is placed immediately after the punctuation.' While filing through Wikipedia:Article wizard is often beneficial, it is by no means required. Do not be surprised by the flurry of activity that frequently takes place once moved into article space. Good luck. Dru of Id (talk) 01:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Minor point

I note that several infoboxes you have created include the word 'station'. We don't use that in articles ie. RAF Blob or Royal Air Force Blob ... but not RAF station Blob. You are also omitting the RAF Ensign from the infoboxes ... see RAF Coleby Grange for an example. Keep up the good work.

I have just noticed that you are using infobox military structure (as I did when I started on Lincolnshire RAF locations) ... I was informed by someone at the Milhist Group that we only use that for RAF stations that were non-flying headquarters like RAF Bentley Priory ... any that were operational airfields you use infobox airport.

21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 00:36, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the note, I will change the names and infoboxes later on.

Gavbadger (talk) 01:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:Yangfit

Hi there. I don't know if I'd call it unambiguously promotional, since it reads fairly neutral. The issue is really the notability, which is lacking based on a Google search. On the other hand, there's no speedy tag for "fitness regimes", only people, companies, web content, etc. Somebody probably will come along and delete it, but if the speedy is declined the article is a good candidate for proposed deletion. ... discospinster _talk 04:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Well there was a poor facebook link on the article but a bot removed it, but I had a quick look and it looked it was some chap trying to publice his workout and thought wikipedia was the best way to go.

Gavbadger (talk) 04:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

RAF Elvington

Thanks for asking about RAF Elvington. Please, go ahead with an infobox. I'm looking more at its current use so will probably go for a separate article about the business park.Harkey (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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RAF Thorney Island

I just spotted your infobox add on the Thorney Island article. Really the RAF section should be hived off into a separate article of its own to match the other stations, with a brief synopsis included in the the village article. Wherever you come across mixed items like this try to set up a dedicated RAF article. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 21:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Will do, Thank youGavbadger (talk) 21:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:Unique edits

I've welcomed the user and gave them a message. I'll also be watching their contributions, thanks. If the contributions are vandalism, they should be warned and reported to Wikipedia:AIV if the vandalism accelerates. In this case, I believe it may be a user believing they are contributing helpfully. SwisterTwister talk 02:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I believe your right because it only started happening after a ip editor started doing it. Gavbadger (talk) 02:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

OTUs

Just in case you miss it I have replied to your query at my userpagePetebutt (talk) 16:30, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Just for info please see List of Royal Air Force Operational Training Units MilborneOne (talk) 21:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

RAF Jurby. RAF Andreas.

	RAF Jurby. RAF Andreas.
	I've been working very hard over a period of several weeks in order to try to compile a definitive history of both these stations. Sadly though, after various 'edits', I'm beginning to wonder why I should of bothered! Harvey Milligan (talk) 19:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, Well it's up to you if you want to continue.

Gavbadger (talk) 23:46, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for posting an assessment of the Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 page. I'll see what I can do about running down the missing references.Graham1973 (talk) 09:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

One thing to watch for

... when working on RAF station articles ... there used to be a single list of RAF stations ... then an editor split them into two separate articles [[*List of Royal Air Force stations|List of RAF stations]] and List of former RAF stations. I am forever tripping over closed stations that still retain the link to the earlier list. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 15:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, is this is response to an article i've mistakenly changed or is it more general? Gavbadger (talk) 15:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Nah ... I have tripped over two random ones today and it crossed my mind you may not be aware of the problem having only just started. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 15:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

For Info

You might appreciate reading my exchange with Moonriddengirl who is one of the Wikipedia Copyright Cleanup project. Feel free to jump in there if you have anything to add. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 23:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I will blank the RAF Jurby article and can you place it at the WP:CP but looking at the book i'm not sure about RAF Andreas as he referenced the book and only used a maximium of one copied line for each paragraph and the rest was completely re-written. Gavbadger (talk) 23:23, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually i will place it as there is list of specific instructions to do according to the copy vio template. Gavbadger (talk) 23:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like you got it sorted. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 00:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

RAF Castel Benito

Not a problem Bwmoll3 (talk) 10:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

RNAS Roborough RNAS Eglinton RNAS Ballykelly

Thanks for sorting RNAS Roborough. I also created RNAS Eglinton and RNAS Ballykelly which have similar RNAS v RAF issues. Please check these and I'll leave alone. There are loads of missing entries for the Naval Air Stations which is why I started and created a few. I see you have an even bigger problem with the RAF base lists !! Thanks Andrew Andrewdeacon51 (talk) 07:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Roman Träger

This one wasn't assessed yet - so perhaps you could restore it (or assess it)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 00:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Restored- Sorry about that. Gavbadger (talk) 00:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

RAF Ballykelly

Thanks for help and support - all this started when I was looking at military runway lengths for the Airbus319 that brought the Olympic Flame. As it turned out, it landed at RNAS Culdrose as planned !! I've removed the bold titles - that was easy bit. Content of RNAS Eglinton and RNAS Ballykelly is a bit trickier. My aim was to just to make a start on the missing links on the RNAS stations - further info has been hard to come by. I would agree combined RNAS and RAF are best way for wartime airfields with Redirect for the other. RAF Ballykelly and HMS Sealion redirect to Shackleton Barracks which I would have said is a separate page in its own right - it took me ages to go through correcting typos and links. I failed completely on Auster - there's 3 types defined in Wiki and a load more not. What I did find was the same text word for word, pasted all over the web. Goodness knows which is the original ! The article was already regarded as short of reliable sources which I can't sort. I'm also mindful of touching anything Northern Irish - all I've done is a tidy up, not the content. There's been a number of administrators like you have this stuff flagged so am best out of it. I'm also surprised all this stuff isn't in Wiki already - there's load of military historians out there. Andrewdeacon51 (talk) 13:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello, i think the best way to sort out the Shackleton Barracks issue is the following:

• 1. Edit the barracks article so it focuses on the barracks
• 2. Expand the RNAS article with information about the RNAS and the RAF
• 3. Change the RAF redirect so it goes to the RNAS article

What do you think?

Also the list you are working you should exercise some caution as the likelihood of there is an equivalent RAF article with the RNAS information and someone hasn't created a redirect is highly likely. I personally believe it's best to name a military structure it's most popular prefix.

Gavbadger (talk) 17:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Wiki only tells me if you update MY Talk page - you actually did the sensible thing and kept dialogue on yours and put note on mine !!

That plan looks fine. I've put watch on List_of_air_stations_of_the_Royal_Navy and suggest you do likewise. I'll watch the RAF base ones as well and your talk page. This needs some work offline 1st because as we've seen there's the RAF,RNAS tangle plus other military use and civil airfields.

I tidied up Plymouth City Airport - typos and links. Equipment is up for auction so think that is the end. I was born and brought up in Plymouth so know it well. The landing lights are in an industrial estate, so you drive along and then see a plane in your rear view mirror. My late father did 35 years RN service including WWII so could have done this work easily - hence my RNAS leaning!!

He reckoned they should have gone with RAF Harrowbeer instead of Roborough, few miles further north from Plymouth before they created Dartmoor National Park. Official site is great as it shows them tidying up a dispersal bay and opening up the air raid shelter inside. I used to play there as a child and was a great place for driving lessons later in life !!

Andrewdeacon51 (talk) 07:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

It should of came up on your watchlist on i had replied as when you first created the section the tick box saying "Watch this page" should of been automatically ticked.

Well i will fix what i can when i can as i'm a tiny bit busy with fixing an article which failed its assessment and i currently creating three different articles but i will try to do what i can today. Gavbadger (talk) 12:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Non-British personnel in the RAF during the Battle of Britain

As I am reviewing something like several hundred articles, I can fix them only as an exception, if I find it really interesting/easy. I've fixed several articles instead of reporting them, but if I wanted to fix them all I'd never finish the Poland B-class reviews I want to be done with within the next few weeks the most. Perhaps about a quarter of articles tagged as B-class fail due to being insufficiently referenced, sigh. Some of them are even my articles that I don't have time/will to fix right now, that's life... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 22:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Nonfree content on your userpage

Per the policies on the usage of non-free images on Wikipedia, non-free images are not allowed on pages outside of the article namespace, including userpages. An image on your user page is copyrighted and unlicensed, so I had to remove it. I'm sorry if you are upset by my editing your page without your permission, but this is a rule where Wikipedia allows no exceptions. I want to make sure you know that this isn't personal. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or to seek another editor's opinion at the WP:MCQ discussion board. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all, sorry i genuinely didn't know and thank you for doing it. Gavbadger (talk) 20:09, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

World War II Desert Airfields

I meant them to be anywhere in the world, but nope, go right ahead. Bwmoll3 (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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RAF Holme-on-Spalding Moor

I've added references where you'd {{cn}} it. Does is make the B grade now? Neat trick with the {{Ref label}}, I'll have to remember that elsewhere as I've only used the <ref group=> method before. NtheP (talk) 14:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

No, i only placed the citation needed templates in the two paragraphs because the book i used says which squadron was where at what time and what aircraft they were using and nothing else and i did want to give the impression that the book has information about the groups and what missions it participated in when it doesn't.

The notes bit is new to me as well as i stole the code off the RAF Northolt article when i was looking at the airfield to do with the 2012 Olympics. According to the Military history assessment page it says "Policy is to cite anything that is likely to be challenged but, again, this is B-Class not a FAC so some latitude is permitted. As a rule of thumb, all sections need an absolute minimum of one citation and all direct quotes should be attributed to a source" which is easy-ish to follow for RAF stations.

What is the difference between my "harvnb" and your "sfn" book template? Gavbadger (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

{{sfn}} doesn't need <ref></ref> around it nor does it need <ref name=> to produce multiple refs to the same reference. NtheP (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

RAF Scampton

Hello. I was just making it follow the same style as in use for RAF Northolt. Harrison49 (talk) 17:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok, i was asking because of the RAF installations on the "List of Royal Air Force stations" have 50% have RAF "something", 40% have Royal Air Force "something" and the other 10% have something completely different or no infobox" and seems a bit silly to have no consistent naming. Gavbadger (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I've been working on each article beginning with "RAF..." and the infoboxes including "Royal Air Force..." to create some consistency. RAF Northolt and RAF Uxbridge are featured articles so may be good templates to follow. Harrison49 (talk) 18:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I have started a discussion at the Mil Hist talk page and your opinion there would be appreciated. Gavbadger (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Striking edit

Gavbadger,

As you can clearly see the "striking edit" from the history was already there and overlapped "Assessment Backlogs". Adamdaley (talk) 08:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

MilHist Assessment

Hi, I'm sorry, I was merely copying the previous request, thinking it the normal thing to add two <>'s with an s in them. To my knowledge I have never struck "out article names at the WP:MHAR" except my own. I will immediately cease this practice which I now see as absurd. Apologies once again --Rskp (talk) 03:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Arromanches Camp

Hello

I am currently making an article about Arromanches Camp which is used by the Royal Marines in my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gavbadger/sandbox and i want to place two sets of coordinates in the military structure infobox with the correct names such as Main site and Jetty because there are two separate sites over 1.2 miles from each other with the same name.

Any ideas how to do this?

Gavbadger (talk) 23:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

It looks like you can only put one location on the push-pin map. So the only way to list multiple coords is to get rid of the map; if you have a picture, you could insert that instead. See User:Diannaa/sandbox for a demonstration of how this solution would present. -- Dianna (talk) 01:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank You for the help Diannaa that way is much better. Gavbadger (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Norton Manor Camp

Good Evening Trident13

While looking through the Royal Marines category i noticed your sandbox about Norton Manor Camp. At the moment i'am trying to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Royal Marines installations and would like to know what the status of the article is as it has been sitting still for a bit and it should be shown in article space

Also when category links are used within sandboxes you need to add an ":" before the word "category" like this [[:Category:Royal Marines]] otherwise your sandbox appeares in the category which is should not.

Thanks

Gavbadger (talk) 21:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I hope that this message finds you well! As you also probably noticed I have a number of stub articles, its just my way of collecting information on a series of "missing" subjects, and then creating something that is better than the normal of just about good enough! These days, I also like creating articles with a picture, as its amazing what is in WikiCommons and not used. With regards Norton Manor Camp, I was originally coming at it from the railway/shadow factory angle - it was a huge USArmy WW2 distribution depot. As it was covered in secrecy, there is little detail about that early stage, until the 1950s and then later as a Royal Marines camp. I was researching that early stage through reading various library books, but I am happy to put it into production in the next few days if you want. Re cats: a divided debate within the community on that one! I used to leave them out, then got told off by one editor who advised that situations like the one that occured here of "duplicate builds/shared knowledge" could be avoided/created if you put the cats in. After 6+years and 90K+ edits I know the procedure well as to how to leave them out, but have found personally that leaving them in works better for me/the community - and creates nice conversational situations like this! Best Regards, --Trident13 (talk) 22:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, there is no need to publish it immediately, i just thought you had forgotten about it as all the edits wheir within 40 minutes. Well i agree with you about putting the categories in to stop duplicate bulids but i thought since i got a number of notices about they were trying to stamp it out. Gavbadger (talk) 17:08, 15 August 2012 (UTC) - edited again by Gavbadger (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, hope that this finds you well! OK, well no need for the debate about include or not cats on draft articles, its into production at Norton Manor Camp. Tell me what you think - Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 02:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Good Morning, the article looks good i have a few suggestions/questions though, in the infobox you wrote the British Army still own the site which of your references says this because i would of thought control would of passed over to the Royal Navy? also the bottom half of the article has un-referenced information which since you just created the article from scratch you would not normally see. Good Luck. Gavbadger (talk) 09:39, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Some missing RAF Stations

I have just tripped over 8 stations that aren't on the former station list ... all in Dumfries and Galloway ... see here for details [1]. So we have mislaid RAF Annan, RAF Castle Kennedy, RAF Kirkpatrick, RAF Low Eldrigg, RAF Stranraer, RAF Wig Bay, RAF Wigtown and RAF Wintersheugh. It does make you wonder how many dozens or hundreds of others are still out there somewhere? 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 07:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I know there are loads left that need an article however i do recognise a few of them because they are red links on the List of Royal Air Force Maintenance units article.

Also i need your opinion on RAF Stanbridge as it is in the former station list yet it does not completely close until 2013 the official closing ceremony has taken place but i'm not 100% sure if it should be in the former stations list. Gavbadger (talk) 11:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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