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Deleting Comments? TPO?

If you remove my comment from a conversation, you should remove all of my comments from the conversation, although as I was told by @Mathglot:: "as a general rule, one [may] not edit or delete others' posts without their permission.", and it seems that (as far as I am aware) in doing so, you have repeatedly violated WP:TPO. How do you consider this behavior and violation acceptable? Walterblue222 (talk) 15:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Walterblue222: see WP:OWNTALK EvergreenFir (talk) 15:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough, but why would you remove comments from the middle of a discussion? There were comments before and after the comment you removed, and you didn't archive or delete any of those... Walterblue222 (talk) 15:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Because it was particularly offensive compared to the rest. I don't want garbage like that on my user talk page. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:21, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

How was it offensive? YOU are the one who brought up "Godwin's Law", but someone else referencing it is somehow offensive? Walterblue222 (talk) 15:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

The white supremacy of the KKK, a group which desires an "ethnically pure" state and promotes violence against Blacks and Jews, is indeed one step from Hilter's Nazi Germany in terms of ideology. I do not wish to have anything approaching apologism for the KKK on my user talk page. You further suggest I would invoke Godwin's Law against anyone I disagree with, implying I think all those who disagree are Nazis. That, too, is offensive. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

You are the one who brought up "Godwin's Law" against someone you disagree with, and I didn't imply that you "think all those who disagree are Nazis". I never mentioned Nazis, you did. I never said anything about desiring or promoting violence against "blacks" and "Jews", nor have I mentioned "Hitler's Nazi Germany". I have said nothing "approaching apologism for the KKK". Yes, it is offensive - but YOU are the one being offensive and bringing up offensive things! Walterblue222 (talk) 17:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Wondering

Hello. Just thought I ask, is Chris Savino's middle name is Mason or Michael?--Funnycoolman (talk) 18:38, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Where's my equanimity?

I would not have been able to react with such equanimity as you did, here. How do you do it? Was dying to post a link to WP:CABAL, or to the image, but managed to restrain myself. Mathglot (talk) 09:47, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Atheism#Institutional atheism - some sort of agenda pushing? Doug Weller talk 10:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot and Doug Weller: Appears so, but WP:ROPE WP:AGF. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:03, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I had no idea he was that bad. Doug Weller talk 07:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: to be honest, neither did I. I was worried I was being overly sensitive or something, but I could tell this wasn't just typical trolling or foolishness. I'm glad others chimed in and put a light on the entire thing. EvergreenFir (talk) 08:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Having commented and !voted in the thread, I wouldn't feel comfortable closing the discussion (even with the WP:SNOW result), given the resulting consensus of a sanction. But I can't tell you how tempting it is to do so, so as to have an opportunity to begin with: "In the name of Her Royal Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of America and Her other Realms and Territories Beyond the Seas As per resolution of the High Council of the great unseen Homosexual-Atheist Cabal In accordance of the precepts of the Allegorical Reptile-Illuminati alliance Per the consensus of the Wikipedia community..." Snow ^{let's rap} 22:42, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Lol EvergreenFir (talk) 23:38, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank goodness and good riddance

I was leaving a comment on the "#Deleting Comments? TPO?" thread (now archived, mercifully), but forgot and left it open all day before saving, and by then the thread was gone. (And good riddance.)

Anyway thank goodness for the SPI indef; I had just about had enough and was gearing up to start a possible action at ANI, which I wasn't looking forward to. I'm glad you took the initiative, and sorry you had to endure that abuse. Such a time suck. Now, we'll be able to devote that time instead to other things, instead of trying to help school someone as incorrigible as that. Back to our regularly scheduled editing... Mathglot (talk) 04:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Fourth-wave feminism

Hello, Evergreen. I have made some edits to the Fourth-wave feminism page, and you have rightly reverted them on the basis of MOS:ALLEGED. However, I believe it is still very important to specify that the feminists' categorisation of marginalised groups in developed countries is not unanimous and in fact disputed by a sizeable majority of non-feminists. I can't find a good source on the society's opinion on the matter, but various public speakers such as Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have spoken against the concept of female marginalisation on numerous occasions. I believe not mentioning the equivocacy will not be representative of the society's views, but I can't find a fitting adjective to describe it. Have you got any suggestions? ^Ol^Ja 23:41, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

RFC Request

Dear Fellow Wikipedian

I would like to invite you to my RFC request on  the page One America News Networks. I am reaching out to you to include your expert opinion and your solution to this problem in the RFC request. Please also invite more editors so that we can have a fair discussion that will improve the page.

Kind Regards

Saad Ahmed2983 (talk) 11:27, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism on Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends page

Hello EvergreenFir! Can you watchlist Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends page? There's a kind of a problem right now on this page and some users (mostly IPs) are always adding nonexistent followup to this show and unsourced content. I kept warning them but they still continue vandalizing the page. After i quickly reverted their edits back to my revisions prior to the vandalism, I've requested a RPP for the page itself. Thanks in Advance! VictorTorres2002 (talk) 02:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Nonpolar sexuality

Hello EvergreenFir. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Nonpolar sexuality, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: should be added to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nonbinary Sexuality instead. Thank you. SoWhy 08:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States

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The Simpsons (season 1)

For a change it seems it wasn't Likeit2004 being disruptive at The Simpsons (season 1). It was the IP immediately before him. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:00, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17

Hello EvergreenFir,

News

• The WMF has announced that Google Translate is now available for translating articles through the content translation tool. This may result in an increase in machine translated articles in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to use the {{rough translation}} tag and gently remind (or inform) editors that translations from other language Wikipedia pages still require attribution per WP:TFOLWP.

Discussions of interest

• Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
• {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
• A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
• There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.

Reminders

• NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.

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looking for help

Hi,

I came across your user name at talk: Feminism page. Since help required for is a women's movement related page just wanted to see if you can help out.

I am looking for pro-active copy edit support for a newly written Aurat March. Actually article was almost ready & needed a some copy edit and re-paraphrasing support to avoid copyright issues. To be on safer side content is currently removed to bare minimum.

Pl. May be if at all, you can spare some time for re-paraphrasing copy edits. You might need to revisit article history to rescue the same. While Aurat March seems movement well represented in other media social media sources, representation of those women on Wikipedia seems missing so far as opening statements at articles like Feminism in Pakistan deriding the movement in subjective terminology like good feminism & bad feminism. That's why I feel some proactive copyedits will be valuable support.

Thanks & regards

Bookku (talk) 04:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Unite the Right rally

There seems to be an influx of new editors, possibly through off-site canvassing. I've unblocked Lwburwell for the time being, as it's not as clear as I first thought that they are a sock. Semi-protection might end up being needed, but I'm tired and am going to pack it in. Acroterion (talk) 01:01, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good Acroterion! I'll keep an eye out. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:21, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

They’re having a little tantrum, we’ll let this play out. Acroterion (talk) 02:00, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Mary Kay Letourneau

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The Loud House

Are you up to creating a report at WP:ANEW on this user? While my reverts have all been at separate times and not all within 24 hours, it's still probably better if someone like you, who's only reverted them once, reports them. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Order of the Arrow

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Please comment on Talk:Steven Beitashour

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Reggieplata

This user is still block evading. He is using different IP addresses and doesn’t know the true definition of stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B004:885F:8DC5:DEAE:B346:6E8A (talk) 19:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Here’s a range we can use to stop this. 2600:1:9b8d:6ca8:c4b0:209e:e55b:57bf/36 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B004:885F:8DC5:DEAE:B346:6E8A (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Talk:2016 shooting of Dallas police officers#Neutrality

There is concern that your account might be connected to another undisclosed account (using both accounts to make edits especially on the same discussion) which is contrary to our policies. I have left a comment on that article's talk page here and here. Would you care to comment? Please make your comment there to centralise conversation. Thanks.Tamsier (talk) 08:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tamsier: I cannot recall the last time I was accused of socking, but oh joy! File an WP:SPI if you're sincere in your concerns. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of photographers

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Requested move: Chairman → Chair (officer)

Hello, there is an RM discussion you may be interested in since you have participated in the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chairman#Requested_move_22_March_2019

Any input would be appreciated. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Order of the Arrow

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Changes to personal page

Hi EvergreenFir I have been trying to correct misleading information about me on Wikipedia, and it seems you are returning my corrections to the false information. Please help me in getting it fixed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davcams (talk • contribs) 00:12, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Davcams: "Misleading"? The content you removed accurately summarized what reliable sources report. What you wrote in its stead, not so much. Wikipedia is not the place to re-fight your acrimonious first marriage. Huon (talk) 00:39, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Colours

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Please comment on Talk:List of suicide crisis lines

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Inappropriate revert

Your reversion of my edit to Social_privilege was inappropriate. Since you have academic sources the correct thing to to edit the page to add links and make the claim more specific. Merely saying "there are academic sources" does not mean that poorly sourced and poorly written content should be retained on the page. This is especially true since you have a doctorate on the topic and presumably have easy access to the sources.

In addition, since you have a PhD in a related topic, presembly you'd also cite the sources that discuss the methodological and statistical flaws in the specific study mentioned in the news article. I don't know if there are other better sources that don't have the same flaws. (I'll be mostly ignoring the page in the future as I don't edit wikipedia much and don't care to get into long debates on user pages).

Please comment on Talk:Planned Parenthood 2015 undercover videos controversy

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Please comment on Talk:Frankfurt School

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Hi; re carbon-neutral fuel

Hi, I know I deleted all of the information about algae from carbon-neutral fuel and fully intended to. Algae is technically carbon neutral in the same way that fireplace wood is technically biomass. Please restore the deletion. Thank you for your kind help. 8.25.222.2 (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I suggest you make your edits recommendations on Talk:Carbon-neutral fuel EvergreenFir (talk) 18:49, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Inappropriate revert

Hi I'm not sure exactly how this works or how I should respond, but here goes. I removed certain references from the page as they were outdated or may have been references put in there earlier before the statements were changed. Basically, the references I deleted had no relation to the sentences in that section. I will remember to leave an edit summary next time. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kal0127 (talk • contribs) 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kal0127: Okay, thanks for letting me know. If you put that in your edit summaries, that would help. Cheers! EvergreenFir (talk) 18:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello EvergreenFir,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

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News

• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Discussions of interest

• A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
• There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
• What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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Please comment on Talk:List of Italian supercentenarians

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Please comment on Talk:Bitcoin Cash

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Please comment on Talk:Call-out culture

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Please comment on Talk:List of Canadian supercentenarians

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Please comment on Talk:Indigenous intellectual property

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Please comment on Talk:List of French supercentenarians

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Invite to RfC (Request for Comment) at Reagan article on Iran-Contra

Hi,

You're invited to an RfC on the question of, "Within the section on the Iran-Contra affair, should we include the aspect of drug trafficking on the part of some Nicaraguan Contras?"

Talk:Ronald_Reagan#rfc_85A761C

Thanks,

FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bitcoin Cash

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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

Hello EvergreenFir,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.

QUALITY of REVIEWING

Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.

Backlog

The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.

Move to draft

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Notifying users

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Please comment on Talk:List of WWE personnel

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Please comment on Talk:Adam Brooks (wrestler)

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Inappropriate revert

Hi I'm not sure exactly how this works or how I should respond, but here goes. I removed certain references from the page as they were outdated or may have been references put in there earlier before the statements were changed. Basically, the references I deleted had no relation to the sentences in that section. I will remember to leave an edit summary next time. Thanks!

Please comment on Talk:Max Blumenthal

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Please comment on Talk:Alt-right

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New Yorker reference removed

Hello. I have no attachment to the Social privilege article and will not make any further changes. However, the section removed is referenced by the New Yorker, a reliable source. I would have hoped that discussion would have taken place on the article's talk page. Cheers. Ifnord (talk) 21:55, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Ifnord: Yes, but to the /blog/ portion of it. That part is not RS. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:01, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:NYC Pride March

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August 2019

I noticed that you tagged Nikita Hopkins with {{prod blp}} for proposed deletion. I have removed the tag from the article because it does not meet the criteria specified. The placement requirements are (a) that subject is living, and (b) that the article contains no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc., reliable or otherwise) supporting any statements made about the person in the biography. Please fully read Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people before tagging articles for proposed deletion. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 14:23, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Suicide of Leelah Alcorn

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Please comment on Talk:Millennials

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Editor who doesn't understand our policies

You edited Latin America recently. See[1]. Most of his edits are OR/POV/using words to avoid etc.[2] [3] I first ran into him yesterday when I reverted him,[4] Doug Weller talk 06:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Fibromyalgia

And that Lyrica mention isn't an advertisement for a major pharma company?

Fine, I will cite the STUDY that they did. FM/a is a REAL test just as is a Cholesterol test or a Blood Sugar test. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mind dragons (talk • contribs) 00:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

@Mind dragons: Please review WP:MEDRS if you're interested in editing on medical pages. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:09, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Communion and Liberation

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Alex Jones edit

I went over the sources, some of which are heavily opinionated. None of them go so far as to label Alex Jones "far-right." One of the sources is unavailable for viewing because it's locked behind a $15 pay wall. The opinionated articles, are, well, opinionated. I'm absolutely sure that opinionated articles aren't credible sources for an encyclopedic entry. The other sources that meet a common standard of credibility don't label him as far-right and thus, unless credible sources that prove the belief that Alex Jones is far-right surface, that term should be deleted from the article, especially seeing as how later in the article, it says that he describes himself as a libertarian/conservative, with no certain conclusion that he's far-right. Anyway, I was wanting to have a sensible discussion with you on this. Thoughts? --MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

This is better discussed on the article's talk page. But please see WP:BIASED. The four sources I see used to support the label of far right are [5], [6], [7], and [8]. For paywall news, you might be able to find cached version on The Wayback Machine. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:2019 Dayton shooting

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport

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Please comment on Talk:Mauritius

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A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for requesting a rangeblock on that IP. I had reported them to AIV yesterday, but they didn't block the range. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 18:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Seconded. Thanks for taking action to stop the disruption from that range. Aoi (青い) (talk) 22:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@SpicyMilkBoy and Aoi: Thank you both! :) I appreciate it. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:40, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Your e-mail

The user is LTA Jaredgk2008 (talk · contribs · count). Thanks for the e-mail.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:49, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail

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It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Vanamonde (Talk) 23:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Just wondering if you had had the chance to look at this. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Molly of Denali

May I ask why you reverted my changes? Is there not enough proof that the episodes will air? I know it isn't a credible source, but I found it on this wiki. The release date of the episode seems correct, and I saw it referenced on another site and it even showed up on Google's infobox for the show (when you Google the name of the show). I'm trying to learn here.VGPCVGCP (talk) 23:52, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@VGPCVGCP: Yes, it was because there was not reliable source. For TV shows, we need some sort of reliable source to back up the titles and dates of upcoming shows (see WP:TVUP). Unfortunaterly, fandom.com is not a reliable source because it is edited by users, just like wikipedia. As such, it is prone to false info. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television/FAQ#Resources and WP:UGC might be a helpful link for you here. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Turns out they're the next episodes airing for sure. Alabama Public Television's schedule says they're the next ones airing. I cited it and re-added the episodes to the page.VGPCVGCP (talk) 20:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Archiving comments

Hello, EvergreenFir,

I'm not sure why you archived a comment from Talk:Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign to User talk:Example/Archive 13#Second Amendment Comment. What's up with this? Could you move it back to the appropriate page? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:12, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Liz: well that's boggling. I just hit the "archive" button that appears with the one click archiver script. I did so because the comment appeared old and had no time stamp (meaning the bot won't archive it). I'll revert and see if I can locate the source of the error. Thanks for letting me know. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:18, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Liz: it appears to be due to this edit by Mgasparin many months ago. I assume it was an error, but pinging Mgasparin to inquire/inform. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:25, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, It seems that in my edit, I made a mistake in the "archive" parameter and forgot to type the page name into the script. I guess I was just going fast, but it was a long time ago so I can't say for sure. If it messed anything up I'm sorry, but I really can't remember what went wrong there. Mgasparin (talk) 22:02, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mgasparin: Ah! Maybe we need to ask the script creator to put in a warning if the parameter is blank. You can't be the only one who has done this and gods know I'd likely do it too. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:03, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

EvergreenFir Sure, you can ask him. Alternatively, maybe we just need to slow down and make sure we are typing correctly before we publish our edits. Mgasparin (talk) 21:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019

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Backlog

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Please comment on Talk:Sturmabteilung

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QNet page Edit War

I have already posted on QNet talk page as well as that of C.Frd regarding the company continously using wikipedia to peddle their sponsored promotional articles. If wikipedia allows sponsored articles and dead links and unreferenced lines to be published then they are indirectly serving the agenda of the company masters to fool more and more people into joining this MLM scheme.I had asked both the editors to make corrections and alterations to my edit as they deem fit but they did not take any action despite several point by point explanations of how QNet PR have inserted self promoted links in this page. I think the admin just think that any removal is an attack on their admin power.The whole wiki page of QNet has been re published by vested interest when it became apparent to the company that the page was getting negative news of arrest and confiscation of properties in countries all over the world.If you want me to publish and edit those History portions of the company with proper news links , I can do that too. Indonesia is now reeling under the scam with more than 25 organisations coming on to the streets and all wiki admins are bothered is that I have removed a few advertisements and promotional links from the page. Sorry to say but it is a big shame. Jitumoni1995 (talk) 19:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football

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Just for the record...

My instinct is usually to leave comments like the one on Talk:Reverse racism as they are, unless they're revdel-level heinous. But if you (or Sangdeboeuf) prefer it be removed, please feel free to do so, or if you'd rather it come from an outside source, I'm more than happy to do it for you; whatever you feel is best. I try to not give people censorship canards to bleat endlessly about, but not causing people discomfort is way more important. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:51, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: I share your instinct. It's certainly not friendly, but not something that needs revdel or anything. I've been called worse. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:00, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I was more insulted by the "BuzzFeed opinion piece" remark (I wrote most of the article). But the evident personal attack could potentially deter other good-faith editors. Feel free to {{redact}}, archive, revdel, {{hat}}, or whatever. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of largest hospitals

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Please comment on Talk:List of largest hospitals

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Edit summaries

WP:Edit summaries should be used to summarize edits, not to chide other editors. Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:55, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile: see edit summary. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Gold digger

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Your thread has been archived

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One-drop rule

The statement on that page was not correct. Other former Anglo colonies, as well as French, Spanish, and Portuguese colonies had extensive racial classification systems. During the slave rebellion era in Haiti, plantation owners called for anyone with even 'one drop' of black blood to be executed. https://msu.edu/~williss2/carpentier/part2/quadroons.html French Caribbean colonies had designations for every combination of black ancestry, up to even 1/64th black. 111818a (talk) 19:02, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Fred Hampton

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Image removal

The image on I removed was a pornographic anime image of a child. I understood that paedophilic pornograhy are not allowed on Wikipedia; am I mistaken? Further, the use of a child image was not germane to the article; other not-child-exploiting illustrations are available, and might be appropriate imo. Can you clarify, in light of these comments? Thank you. Db919 (talk) 05:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC) Db919 (talk) 05:40, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Db919: The image isn't pornographic, not even really nude. You brought your concerns to the talk page in June, but Tutelary and Bug2266 explained fairly clearly reasons for its continued use on the page. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Notes: "controversial images should follow the principle of 'least astonishment': we should choose images that respect the conventional expectations of readers for a given topic as much as is possible without sacrificing the quality of the article"

"Discussion of potentially objectionable content should usually focus not on its potential offensiveness but on whether it is an appropriate image, text, or link." The article Rule 34 is not about sexualization of children. It seems improper for a CHILD image, even in anime, to be be used. Alternative illustrations which do not use CHILD imagery are available, are could illustrate the actual topic. No special defense of this image seems appropriate; it is essentially off-topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Db919 (talk • contribs) 05:58, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Clearly others disagree with you. It certainly doesn't pass the Miller test. Which other images would you suggest? I recommend starting an WP:RFC if you wish to make the case for its removal. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:09, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Clearly, there is disagreement. I would like to hear other opinions. This is why my contribution included article Talk page note. Would you care, as an experienced editor, to start the process? Otherwise - you've given me a link, which I hope would get an at least slightly larger review going. So far, I really don't feel points against this image have been considered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Db919 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

I have added a comment to article's Talk page. There appear to be 3+ different Talk dialogues related to that image. Bit of a mess, imo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Db919 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Revert and suggestion

Hello. Thanks for this. The officer has resigned and I wonder if we could redact his name, perhaps by replacing it with "the officer" each time. His name still comes up in newspapers, including recent ones, so it may be controversial to censor it on Wikipedia as long as Google is not censored but...he wasn't charged for the extra-judicial killing and he has resigned, so maybe we can keep the referenced info about what happened and how it happened, but not his name? There is more context we could add...they are underpaid and probably tense as a result...there were other shootings in the 1970s or 80s I think, and there was another shooting for which the officer was charged a year later, and there is a whole debate about body cameras...the city is using the excuse that the cameras would be too expensive like they did when they decided not to desegregate the public pool in Centennial Park in the 1960s. But I am not sure that the officer's name is that relevant. What is encyclopedic is how and why this has been happening there. As a professional sociologist/criminologist, you may be in a much better position than me to work on this. You may even be able to turn it into a research project for your students? I am just a newspaper reader and observer of situations, although I read this book for the sake of context--not exactly a rosy picture of their local history, but worth a read if you decide to pursue this. Thank you for your attention.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Questionable reversion...

Hi, You reverted my edit yesterday, I was sing a IP. I was wondering what was wrong and if I could fix it? Dellwood546 (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dellwood546: As you can see here, EvergreenFir reverted tons of IP editors yesterday. Can you tell us the name of the article where you were reverted? Ian.thomson (talk) 22:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson

This is the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/923366371 @Ian.thomson Dellwood546 (talk) 22:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I think I mostly focused on the lack of a source in the second part and the typo, but regardless I think it's WP:UNDUE. I wont object if you add it back. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

ihuntrocks edits to Jack Posobiec

In response to the Discretionary Sanction Notice you left on my talk page after my proposed edits to the Jack Posobiec page, which included factual content from verifiable, reliable sources: I would invite you to participate in the request for consensus located on the talk page for Jack Posobiec's page if you have any questions or comments regarding this matter. Please include any justifications for why these edits are viewed as disruptive, as they bring the page in line with the Biographies of Living Persons policies on neutrality of presentation and the section regarding public figures (with respect to rebuttals found by the subject in reliable, credible sources as provided). My edits are posted there for discussion. Thank you. Ihuntrocks (talk) 14:09, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks

Early closure of ongoing discussion on Jack Posobiec regarding neutrality and BLP violations

I had not realized that the discussion had been closed and it was continued by myself and others. This discussion is still ongoing and should not have been closed. Items are still actively in dispute, without clear cause to declare consensus. Further, it has been strongly recommended that the page in question be flagged for neutrality violations, and that escalation is still potentially forthcoming, lacking consensus. Please, consider reopening this incorrectly closed discussion. I am reaching out to you for informal resolution before requesting a closure review. Ihuntrocks (talk) 18:31, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks

@Ihuntrocks: Where/when was the discussion closed? I don't see any closures on Talk:Jack Posobiec EvergreenFir (talk) 19:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@@EvergreenFir: the section "Repeated reversions that violate BLP neutrality" is closed between my comments at 13:53, 30 October 2019 (UTC) and 14:16, 30 October 2019 (UTC), obscuring the reference list. There is a "hab" tag included.

@Ihuntrocks: The {{hat}} and {{hab}} are only there to collapse the reference list so that it does not take up a bunch of space on the page. I added the {{tq2}} as well to make the proposed lead working more visibly separate from your comments. If someone wants to see the reference list, they can. But they have to "opt in" so to speak. No discussion is "closed". EvergreenFir (talk) 21:57, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Russia national football team

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Murder of Botham Jean

Her being white is in the lead, I actually think it looks awkward the way it's repeated. Does it need repeating? Doug Weller talk 14:29, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Maybe not, but edit warring over it without any discussion or attempts thereof isn't constructive either imo. Generally, people who want to remove mentions of whiteness (without discussion, comment, or anything) aren't doing it in an NPOV spirit. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Good point, but it still looks awkward. Doug Weller talk 20:17, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

2016 United States presidential election

Thanks for this. I have already filed for an SPI investigation. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@MelanieN: I saw! Thanks for being on top of that. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello EvergreenFir,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 816 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Coordinator

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This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

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Please comment on Talk:Seth Rollins

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FWIW

Hey, for what it's worth, re: your RFA, these can be super-stressful, and it can really suck to see people you've never worked with dragging your name through the mud. Anyhow, I hope you're not too stressed out, and regardless of the outcome, you're a very strong editor and have always been easy to work with. Don't feel compelled to write back if you think it could hurt your chances for the tools. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: thank you for the kind words. :) EvergreenFir (talk) 16:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Support from me, too. May I respectfully make one very small suggestion you might like to consider? (Ignore if you wish) I reckon that maybe renaming 'Accolades' to something more akin to 'Accolades/Insults' - or even adding a small preliminary commentary - might show those who are incapable of understanding why you've posted those links that you do so purely to show you've been accused of being almost everything nasty under the sun. That you can rise above this and show it more as a badge of honour is actually a great attribute, and simply serves to demean those who attempt to throw petty insults. Best, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Tucker Carlson Tonight

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Cultural Appropriation (Norse Mythology) - Two Citations Found

Here are two citations. Can the revert be undone?

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/02/the-politics-of-retelling-norse-mythology/517422/

https://reason.com/2016/10/31/political-correctness-and-cultural-appro/

You reverted the new section added on 12th November, here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cultural_appropriation&action=history

Thanks for the help! בס״ד 69.112.128.69 (talk) 17:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Signature character amount 12-NOV-2019

Hi there! I noticed your signature is 217 characters. Even though this is well below the 255 maximum, there is a slightly better way to render it if you're interested. In the box below are the differences between your current sig and an identical version which uses only 185 characters:

Comparison of sig markups

The following is your current sig's markup, which is 217 characters: Markup Renders as [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] EvergreenFir (talk) The markup shown below renders the sig identically, but uses only 185 characters — a savings of 32 characters: Markup Renders as [[User:EvergreenFir|<b><span style="color:#80F;">Eve<span style="color:#62C;">rgr<span style="color:#358;">een<span style="color:#174;">Fir</span></b>]] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] EvergreenFir (talk) Because the link to the username part of your signature is a closed link, it shouldn't be necessary to list multiple closed spans after each color gradient (i.e., </span>). That, coupled with giving the three-code HEX instead of the full six-code HEX, will shave 32 characters off the signature. Of course you should test this and any similar markup which may you choose to use before posting, just to make sure.

If you have any talk page stalkers who know better than I about this, hopefully they'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it should work out well enough to help reduce the size. Warm regards,  Spintendo  04:32, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Technically, Spintendo, your suggestion is invalid HTML. You've left out all the closing </span> tags but one; most browsers are smart enough to know what you mean, but it's not technically correct, and shouldn't really be relied on. Reinstating the closing tags brings the sig length up to 207 characters, for only an 11-character savings. I wouldn't bother, but it's all good, I suppose. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I was hoping that strategy could be clarified as a workable / nonworkable one, which your input has done — so I thank you for that. I'm not entirely clear on how the invalid HTML would affect the day to day usage of that signature's rendering, but I'll leave that question to another forum. Thanks again. Warm regards,  Spintendo  13:22, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

About your adminship...

Congrats! =) I don't mean to put the cart before the horse here but it appears that the nomination will pass. As I said in my support comment though, be sure to try and address those who opposed your nomination. Good luck going forward! ^-^ - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I tend to agree. - Ret.Prof (talk)

At least three of the opposers are people for whom I have zero liking and I didn't even see their comments before I voted to support! So I wouldn't worry too much. Deb (talk) 18:54, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Congrats, welcome to the cabal. You'll receive your secret decoder ring shortly. ‑Scottywong| [comment] || 17:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Gun-jumping seems appropriate here. Congratulations and, as I mentioned in my !vote, the opposes slay me. Bag 'em and tag 'em. Hope you enjoy being an admin! P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 20:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87, Ret.Prof, Deb, Scottywong, and Paine Ellsworth: Thank you! Scotty, can I order the purple ring if available? Or if they're metal, white gold would be great. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Almost there

You're almost an administrator. :-) Only one hour left before it's closed. Interstellarity (talk) 20:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Slightly early, but congrats just the same. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:03, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity, ThatMontrealIP, and Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 03:44, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Chelsea Manning

FYI, in your response to q9, you misspelled Chelsea as Chelsey. --regentspark (comment) 21:20, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: My bad. Spelling was never my forte which is why I shy away from using the board in class. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:45, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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Btw thank you for clarifying a potential conflict of interest on your part; your willingness disclose a possible connection does you credit as an upstanding editor. Best. SamHolt6 (talk) 00:23, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

@SamHolt6: Thank you very much! EvergreenFir (talk) 03:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Now...

You really are a member of the club.[9] -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: Lol it seems so! Didn't know Yourname is still active. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:46, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Farah Khan Ali

Hi EvergreenFir! I went back and found I used the wrong CSD tag, and believe that A1: no context and A7 definitely apply, because the article is too short to ascertain if that article talks about one specific individual and not multiple individuals of the same name. Also A7 is self-explanatory. But since you have reviewed the article I'm stopping short of IAR tagging for now. Regards, Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 07:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

@Optakeover: feel free to re-tag. I was kinda wondering what happened. I did put the blp prod with the hope that the creator would add more. EvergreenFir (talk) 07:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Now that the RfA week is over, you have a challenge

Now that the RfA week is over, I hope you will be able to shake off the wikistress. Congratulations on getting the bit. Hope that you will continue your good work with equal (if not greater) enthusiasm and prove the naysayers wrong, denying them an "I told you so.." moment. Regards.--DBigXrayᗙ 06:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

I wanted to post same message. Congratulations for new journey! — Harshil ^{want to talk?} 07:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations. I am sure Wikipedeia will be better off because of your service (and more interesting). - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Belated congratulations (I’ve been out of town) and welcome to the admin corps. Looks like they ran out of crappy T-shirts, but I see you have added some much better admin bling to your user page. But I see you haven’t yet created your adminstats page, Template:Adminstats/EvergreenFir. The page Template:Adminstats will tell you how to create it, and then you can either link to it on one of your pages or transclude it somewhere, so you can keep track of what you have been up. And I see you have jumped in with both feet, doing some fun stuff like blocking and revdel’ing and page protection. If you’d like some tips about protection, see my essay User:MelanieN/Page protection. Have fun with your mop and I’ll look forward to seeing you in the trenches! -- MelanieN (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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November 2019

Why did you remove my WP:AIV report as stale after less than an hour? Normally its 4–8 hours. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mvcg66b3r: My apologies. I'm still getting used to this, but my experience is that 2 hours is "stale". But that just may be the admins I've run into. I was trying to clear the backlog. I'll take another look at the one reported. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Mvcg66b3r It looks like the user was only given a level 2 warning and I see nothing in the filter log. Mrschimpf gave a welcome template to the user. Let's see if they will stay and be productive (per WP:BITE). If the user continues to be disruptive, and you get to a level 4 warning, please re-report to AIV. Or ANI if you want another admin to review. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:20, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Decline DB-G6 request

Hi, You declined my request for speedy deletion of the List of Billboard number-one singles of 1955 redirect because "it appears there are still articles linking here and the redirect is still of use." Yet that is exactly why it needs to be deleted because the article and its history was unilaterally moved without discussion from that to List of Pre–Hot 100 number-one singles of 1955. So a G6 deletion will allow all the links from other articles to point to the article after it is moved back to where it was while maintaining the history. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Ah, okay. Thanks for letting me know. I'll correct that. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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Congrats

Oops, posted this in the wrong place previously; my bad!

Annoyed that I didn't notice the Rfa until it was too late. Would've have given you an enthusiastic support. Congratulations! You'll be good at it. Mathglot (talk) 08:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Nick Fuentes

Congratulations on blocking a flamer, and being told that you used good judgment. By the way, I came upon that article in a different context, and have nominated it for deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations on having the power to block trolls. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 03:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Let me add my very belated congratulations, apologies. I'm very pleased to see you with the mop and glad I notice your RfA in time to take part! Doug Weller talk 09:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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Congratulations

I've closed your RfA as successful. Good luck with extra tools! Maxim_(talk) 23:27, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

	New Admin Torch
	From Girth Summit via ToBeFree to EvergreenFir: Congratulations for your successful request for adminship. Please guard this eternal flame and forward it to the next successful candidate – never break the chain. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Ooh, I like they layout - good job ToBeFree! Yes, congratulations from me too EvergreenFir - welcome to the team, if there's anything I can ever do to help please reach out. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 12:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations, and a good result. I'm glad you went for it and I know you will use the tools carefully and responsibly. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the CABAL. We have snacks. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:36, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

We don't actually have snacks. Or alcohol. It's all a lie. Best wishes anyway! Take those opposes onboard as the gift of feedback. :) --valereee (talk) 23:40, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations EvergreenFir. Enjoy your new mop. - MrX 🖋 23:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Well done. When you get tired of scrabbling down the back of the sofa to find the right block message, check out my monobook, some kind person put some code there that makes that sort of thing a lot easier. ϢereSpielChequers 00:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

In lieu of t-shirts, we are now giving out complimentary Costco bears.​ Mz7 (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations. I've run out of admin T-shirts but I expect someone will find one for you even if it's second hand. Your RfA wasn't an easy ride and I know how you must have felt for 7 days - mine was also quite unpleasant. Many of the oppose votes can be discounted. I hope you will continue to support the process that promoted you and vote as often as possible. You'll also find some more very useful scripts for admins in my js file . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Wow!, 250+supports (quite a few opposes but now you can prove them wrong:)) WOOP WOOP! Coolabahapple (talk) 01:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations! RfAs can be brutal, I know. But it is to your benefit to see it through & not withdraw, although it can get personal at times, especially for female candidates.

You are now an admin! Take it slow at first, read the manual (guidance pages) & ask any admins any questions you might have. We may not have the answer but can probably point you in the right direction! Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:15, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Nothing fancy or funny to say, just congratulations! Puddleglum2.0 ^{Have a talk?}_{Please ping me in replies! (Thanks!)} 01:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Yep, congratulations! Airbornemihir (talk) 02:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Hi Evergreen! I don't subscribe to the perception that adminship is a promotion; you can't be promoted when you make no money from the thing. To me it's 100% a trust position, so I don't like to "congratulate", per se. But I will congratulate you for having endured that awful hazing session that is the RFA. Congratulations! You will make a great admin. I trust that you will ask other admins for advice, I trust that you will steer clear from adminning in areas that other people thought you might be deficient in, and overall, I trust you and it's lovely to see more women get the mop. Now clean up aisle five! You might want to peek at my tools file to see if anything might be of use, but I bet there's tons of tools I have no knowledge of that could help you more. Go EvergreenFir! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:06, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

@Maxim, ToBeFree, CorbieVreccan, Valereee, MrX, WereSpielChequers, Kudpung, Coolabahapple, Liz, Puddleglum2.0, Airbornemihir, and Cyphoidbomb: Thank you all! I appreciate the support and the comments/advice. I will definitely "take it slow" and ease my way into this. As many of you mentioned, Wikipedia's RfA process is rough (especially for women, [in my case] non-binary/genderqueer folks, and trans folks in general) but it was worth it. I hope to gain the trust of folks who are weary or opposed, but I know that will take time.

Valereee - I hear the cake was a lie too. And thank you. I will definitely take the oppose !votes on board. I appreciated their input and do understand (most of) their positions.

Cyphoidbomb - I had decided early on in the RfA process that if I was successful, I'd use the mop icon as that's what this is. Just a glorified janitor in many cases.

A very special thanks to Ritchie333, Vanamonde93, and Samwalton9 for all their support and encouragement. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• I'll say congratulations to echo the above, but per Cyphoidbomb you've just got some extra buttons now :) I hope you find them useful and continue to play an integral part in the upkeep of this encyclopedia! Sam Walton (talk) 08:08, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Congrats - well done on staying cool, I know it can be tough when the opposes start coming in, but I feel confident you can show them their concerns were unjustified - you're going to be a great addition to the mop corps. Have fun with all these sparkly buttons in really unhelpful places! Nosebagbear (talk) 14:15, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Felicitations and welcome to the team. There is a learning curve but it's not very steep. Feel free to drop me a line with any questions or if you need help with anything. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:09, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Very happy to see this was successful. Best of luck, and if you need anything, feel free to drop me a line. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:58, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oops, sorry for mis-identifying you. I'll try to remember in the future. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Congratulations EvergreenFir! Best wishes to our newest admin. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Congratulations and welcome to the team! – Muboshgu (talk) 03:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• 🎉🥳🎊🥂🍾 and relatively unscathed!! (sorry for being so late, but I've been preoccupied). ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith Johnston (talk • contribs) 16:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Mutual Edit war

So given that Bacondrum has consistently demonstrated a disinclination to discuss in Talk when any of their edits is challenged (via revert), how are other editors expected to behave? As I understand, when I revert another editors change, it behoves on them to explain their change (and not on me to explain the WP:STATUSQUO). —Srid^🍁 21:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@Sridc: Yes, but even if you are "in the right", WP:3RR is a bright red line that should not be crossed. The only exceptions are things like vandalism and BLP violations. In the future, if someone edit wars like this and you think they are "in the wrong", start the talk page section (like you did) and wait for others to weigh in (it may take a bit, but there is WP:NODEADLINE). You can also use WP:3RRN if someone is edit warring and crosses the 3RR line. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. My only hesitation towards waiting is that the user in question (Bacondrum) is known to make numerous changes throughout the article in a short period of time. So, suppose I wait for discussion (which may not happen in the next 24 hours), by the time we will have arrived at a consensus to re-establish the prior status quo, the article would have been changed significantly to make the revert to status-quo complex. I think in situations like it would be best for both editors to stop editing, and discuss the change before making any further changes. But since Bacondrum wasn't willing to pause their edit-spree, I guess the edit-protection turned out to be a blessing in disguise. —Srid^🍁 21:49, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Bacondrum is now going through my past contributions, and in Feminazi they just removed my recent addition of the "POV" tag (violating it's principles).[10]. They are hounding me me in the Talk page as well. How do we deal with this? —Srid^🍁 22:14, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@Sridc: That sort of behavior would be best brought to WP:ANI. Be sure to post the {{ani-notice}} on Bacondrum's user talk page if you do post there. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:47, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I probably shouldn't do that while Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Feminazi is in effect. However I'll note (if you don't already know) that I've already reported two ANI incidents regarding Bacondrum in the last month. Being a new Wikipedian, I didn't accumulate sufficient evidence of their harassmentent, so those incidents did not result in any sanction against them. —Srid^🍁 23:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@Sridc: Yes, I agree that you should let WP:DR play out. I'm not terribly neutral on this topic, so I'm not sure I can or should give much advice. If you feel that the perceived harassment continues, I'd recommend messaging another admin who is uninvolved for advice. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

User talk:Prayas Welfare Foundation

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Re: XanderFV

Well based on his talk page history, it appears as though he is uncooperative with other editors as he simply deletes anything that casts him in a negative light. Would an indef block be likely for him the more he insists on his hoaxes? Blake Gripling (talk) 03:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Blakegripling ph: yes. I opted for the escalating block because not all of their edits are vandalism/hoaxes. Hopefully it'll stop, but if not then an indefinite block would be likely. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Seems like a competency case perhaps? Not to insult him or anything but at least that's how I see it. Blake Gripling (talk) 05:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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Murder of Lee Rigby

Personally I would have protected the article for longer than 48 hours, as there has been a two to three month period were nearly all of the IP edits were disruptive and some of the edits had to be revdeleted because they contained grossly offensive material. Anyway, we'll see how it goes.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ianmacm: Being new at all this, admittedly I am being reserved with the tools. But if it continues when the semi protection expires, I will set it for significantly longer. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:17, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Would it be possible for the article to have pending changes after the semi-protection expires? @CLCStudent: was quick off the mark with the grossly offensive edit on Sunday, but pending changes would prevent them from going live immediately.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:36, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ianmacm:  Done sorta. I looked deeper into the edits and basically only see 10% being constructive. I've extended the semi-protection to 3 months. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Such a strict admin...

... blocking themselves! I like the "email disabled, cannot edit own talk page" part. But have a look at this one. He blocked and unblocked himself at such a pace that I eventually blocked him for wheel warring. Less embarrassed now? Bishonen | talk 03:38, 5 December 2019 (UTC).

Lol! Well perhaps I do. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:39, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I see you're getting the hang of this adminin' thing. Volunteer Marek 03:50, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Sometimes you just have to be... less-than-lenient — with oneself! El_C 03:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Don't feel bad. A productive editor reported a vile troll to me a month or so ago. I mis-clicked and accidentally blocked the good one for a minute instead of the bad one. That was embarrassing. I apologized and luckily the good editor was very gracious about it. Stuff happens. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:55, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I shall fetch my cilice and cap. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

And of course the whole world has to drop by to snicker :) --valereee (talk) 18:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Troll accounts

Just in case you didn't see it or had forgotten, User:Kevin Gordon passed away a few years ago. Anyone signing with a typographical variation of his name should be blocked on sight. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:39, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@Newyorkbrad: I hadn't forgotten (mentioned it in the block reason) but thank you for following up. That signature was an immediate indication of trolling... I just was not sure which/who it was. Zzuuzz marked that account as belonging to an LTA sock. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:01, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. And belated congrats on the successful RfA. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you feel so inclined and are technically comfortable about doing so, you can assign yourself Edit Filter Manager rights and write a filter; failing that, Zzuuzz could probably write one. This sick attention seeking individual needs the door not to hit them on the way out. By the way, NYB was your mis-spelling of the user name a typo or purposeful obfuscation to distract trolls? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: My Regex skills have declined a bit in recent years. I might be able to make something, but it would have to be over winter break. If Zzuuzz can do it Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger, that would probably be better all around. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

You'll notice the text in question is munged almost beyond recognition. That's the sign of a filter and a troll both working hard. I'll take another look of course, but when people start writing unrecognisable nonsense there's not always much we can do. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Evergreen, I'm pretty good with Regex and at your service, if you need it. But as zzuuzz implies, it's a bit of an arms race sometimes. Mathglot (talk) 00:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

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Block notices

Hi EF, and thanks for your quick blocking actions of a couple of socks of serial troll Nsmutte. Could I ask you to please not include my user name in the block reason, though? One of this user's strategies for harassment is gaslighting; his current thing is to pretend to believe that my user name is inappropriate but over the years he has also tried to argue that my account has already been blocked – and this kind of block notice is going to be a gold mine for future harassment. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 07:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bonadea: absolutely. I'll change those now as well EvergreenFir (talk) 07:34, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) --bonadea contributions talk 10:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true. No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well EF. MarnetteD|Talk 20:15, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019

Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

Top 10 Reviewers over the last 365 days

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	Rosguill (talk)	47,395	Patrol Page Curation
2	Onel5969 (talk)	41,883	Patrol Page Curation
3	JTtheOG (talk)	11,493	Patrol Page Curation
4	Arthistorian1977 (talk)	5,562	Patrol Page Curation
5	DannyS712 (talk)	4,866	Patrol Page Curation
6	CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk)	3,995	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	3,812	Patrol Page Curation
8	Boleyn (talk)	3,655	Patrol Page Curation
9	Ymblanter (talk)	3,553	Patrol Page Curation
10	Cwmhiraeth (talk)	3,522	Patrol Page Curation

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

Redirect autopatrol

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.

Source Guide Discussion

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.

This month's refresher course

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.

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About deletions in the article Los Alcázares (Spanish municipality)

Good afternoon, EvergreenFir,

An user deleted more than one time a concrete fact about the Spanish municipality of Los Alcázares in this article. The fact is that the 'blue flag' (a symbol which denotes the quality of the water for having a bath) has been removed in its beaches, that there is a very high level of pollution in the sea of Los Alcázares and some politicians are taken to court because of this. The town is next to a salty coastal lagoon that has been very polluted in the last decades, and some years ago the level of pollution was so high that having a bath in the sea became not being a good idea.

I contacted to user and told the same as I will tell to you, but there is not any response.

I will expose the content the user has deleted, its sources, several sentences in the sites that prove the information deleted, its translation to English and the page of Google translator as a evidence of what I am telling.

First content deleted: "However, all beaches in Los Alcazares have now been stripped of their Blue Flag Status since 2017 due to local pollution, warnings of which have gone ignored for 18 years by local government."

https://www.laverdad.es/murcia/otros-municipios/menor-queda-banderas-20190508005834-ntvo.htm

Sentences: "El Mar Menor se queda este verano otra vez de banderas azules en sus playas." – Translation: "The Mar Menor stays this summer again bald (figurative word in Spanish) with blue flags on its beaches."

"Los Álcazares se queda sin un solo reconocimiento." – Translation "Los Álcazares is left without a single recognition."

https://translate.google.es/?hl=es#view=home&op=translate&sl=es&tl=en&text=El%20Mar%20Menor%20se%20queda%20este%20verano%20otra%20vez%20calvo%20de%20banderas%20azules%20en%20sus%20playas.%0A%0ALos%20%C3%81lcazares%20se%20queda%20sin%20un%20solo%20reconocimiento.

Second content deleted: "In July 2016 pollution in the Mar Menor was reportedly so severe as to render the area close to ecological collapse, following 18 years of neglected warnings. The public prosecutor's office is investigating allegations of negligence against the relevant authorities, which are governed by the conservative People's Party."

Source: https://elpais.com/politica/2016/06/15/actualidad/1466007368_066035.html

Sentences: "El Mar Menor, al borde del colapso" – Translation: "The Mar Menor, on the verge of collapse"

" Pero la reacción llega 18 años después de los primeros avisos." Translation: "But the reaction comes 18 years after the first warnings"

Source: https://www.laverdad.es/lospiesenlatierra/blog/menor-nombres-apellidos-20171215135447-nt.html

Sentences: "CASO MAR MENOR: 37 NOMBRES Y APELLIDOS. La denuncia de la Fiscalía por la degradación de la laguna, sólida y con documentación abrumadora, revela una dejación total de la labor de control de los vertidos agrícolas por parte de la administración. Y una complicidad con el sector agrario 'regada' con desprecio hacia el medio ambiente y el bien común"

Translation: "MINOR SEA CASE: 37 NAMES AND SURNAMES. The complaint of the Prosecutor for the degradation of the lagoon, solid and with overwhelming documentation, reveals a total abandonment of the work of control of agricultural discharges by the administration. And a complicity with the agricultural sector 'watered' with contempt for the environment and the common good"

https://translate.google.es/?hl=es#view=home&op=translate&sl=es&tl=en&text=El%20Mar%20Menor%2C%20al%20borde%20del%20colapso%0A%0APero%20la%20reacci%C3%B3n%20llega%2018%20a%C3%B1os%20despu%C3%A9s%20de%20los%20primeros%20avisos%0A%0ACASO%20MAR%20MENOR%3A%2037%20NOMBRES%20Y%20APELLIDOS.%20La%20denuncia%20de%20la%20Fiscal%C3%ADa%20por%20la%20degradaci%C3%B3n%20de%20la%20laguna%2C%20s%C3%B3lida%20y%20con%20documentaci%C3%B3n%20abrumadora%2C%20revela%20una%20dejaci%C3%B3n%20total%20de%20la%20labor%20de%20control%20de%20los%20vertidos%20agr%C3%ADcolas%20por%20parte%20de%20la%20administraci%C3%B3n.%20Y%20una%20complicidad%20con%20el%20sector%20agrario%20'regada'%20con%20desprecio%20hacia%20el%20medio%20ambiente%20y%20el%20bien%20com%C3%BAn

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Los_Alc%C3%A1zares&type=revision&diff=908914736&oldid=908914658

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Los_Alc%C3%A1zares&type=revision&diff=908914782&oldid=908914737

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CLCStudent#Why_did_you_delete_Los_%C3%81lcazares_article_editions_about_its_beaches?

I thank the time you spend in this issue.

Regards,

--Yolanda95 (talk) 14:38, 21 December 2019 (UTC)Yolanda95

2 more sleeps - Ho, Ho, Ho!!

🔔🎁⛄️🎅🏻 Atsme Talk 📧 18:04, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Nate Speed

Nate Speed is at it again at The Weinstein Company. FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Good luck

豊かな十年へようこそ/WELCOME TO THE D20s

Miraclepine wishes you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a prosperous decade of change and fortune.
このミラPはEvergreenFirたちのメリークリスマスも新年も変革と幸運の豊かな十年をおめでとうございます！
フレフレ、みんなの未来！/GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE!
ミラP 02:42, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Hello EvergreenFir: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Donner60 (talk) 08:12, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Sock puppets

Hi, could you take a look at Evangjelist and Evengelish? These accounts have recently made disruptive edits to Kosovo Security Force, Albanian Land Force and List of equipment of the Albanian Armed Forces. They appear to be obvious socks of Daekro1, who was blocked recently. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 18:30, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Please dont remove my edits ok i sugested you dont tplay with fire Evengelish (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

^^^And now it would appear one of Daekro1's socks is threatening other users.^^^ Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 18:39, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Bbb23 blocked one, I blocked the other (Bbb23, please feel free to update block as a CU block if appropriate) EvergreenFir (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Done. Thanks to both of you.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:48, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Merci! EvergreenFir (talk) 18:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir:, @Bbb23:: Since this particular sock-puppeteer appears to be persistent, could we have the pages semi-protected for a time? Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

@Amanuensis Balkanicus: If they return, I definitely will. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:30, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, EvergreenFir!

Happy New Year!

EvergreenFir,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
-Nahal^(T) 23:19, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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edit question

can you change the title of the page for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Powelto42171 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@Powelto42171: Pages are named per WP:COMMONNAME. Even that I think it should be referred to as "gender confirmation surgery", I cannot change the name to that because it's not what reliable sources refer to it primarily as. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir: That's not correct. I said in my edit - google shows more results for gender confirmation surgery. Its the actual medical term. And I listed some reliable sources from a quick search. see the talk page.

Block expansion request

Hi EvergreenFir, thank you very much for the block of 71.84.20.24. After warning, and before you blocked, I had a look at the long list of contributions again. What first appeared to be a case of "needs a more recent warning" turned out to be a long-term vandalism history from a static IP address, against biographies of living persons. The last, 3-month-, block was a while ago, but I'd like to modify the current block settings to be "six months" given the severity of the vandalism and the timespan involved. Would you mind if I do so? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: by all means, please feel free to! EvergreenFir (talk) 03:23, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Done. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 04:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)