User talk:Doc James/Archive 39

Understanding Restriction

James,

Thanks for the hard work you do to keep Wikipedia accurate.

Could you tell me a little more about what you and why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.153.55 (talk) 14:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Feedback

Thank you for the message. Keep up the good work. Clay1500 (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

References

I understand that peer-reviewed articles are preferable, but how exactly is the National Center for Biotechnology (NCBI) a "poor" source. I see no rule stating that ALL references must be peer-reviewed, and in this case the study was published at a reputable source, so I don't understand how you can justify reverting the edit I made. LiamSP (talk) 18:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Liam, Doc didn't say the source was "poor", he said that you need to use secondary sources. The source you added was an individual study, a primary source. We need to be using secondary sources, like reviews, meta-analyses and statements from major medical organizations. Zad68 18:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Mr.Z-man

Did you happen to hear anything back from User talk:Mr.Z-man? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 22:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Nothing yet. A hard guy to get a hold of. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 23:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for trying. Biosthmors (talk) 23:53, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm.....

I feel like I'm entering the WikiWorld....

So is this really the method that most people (on wiki) use to chat back and forth? HeatherLogghe (talk) 00:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes yes it is :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:11, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmmmm.....

and there is no way to delete a Talk post? HeatherLogghe (talk) 00:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi James,

So the article on fetal hydantoin syndrome, I would like to add a reference: http://ccn.aacnjournals.org/content/23/2/93.full for the missing citation for heart defects.

I couldn't find the PMID for the article--what would be the easiest way to do it?

HeatherLogghe (talk) 01:18, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker.) You can "delete" it by removing it, but it's still in the history. The only way to delete something is if, for example, someone posted your social security number or something you don't want disclosed (like your IP address, perhaps) and then you request Wikipedia:Oversight. You can use an automatic archive if your talk page becomes long.

Google worked! I copy pasted the title and PMID 12725198 it is. And you might find User:Biosthmors/Intro_Neuro#Citations helpful. Biosthmors (talk) 05:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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SilverStuff

Thanks for all of your efforts on the Med Uses of Ag article. It is appreciated.Desoto10 (talk) 00:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Committee invitation

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silver medical usage

welcome to the most biased article at wiki :). I think nccam statements contradicting fda should be removed; a section about silver sol, the only fda-approved cs for external use added; cochcrane reviews prior to 2009 removed because its the year when fda approved the cs gel and prior to that there weren't any reliable data for wound management with cs. The category added to medicine and high class of importance because its a new vector in antimicrobials. Ryanspir (talk) 19:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that this is about Medical uses of silver. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The FDA is not the best quality source. It is okay but national in scope. Cochrane is much better.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 23:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Expanding refs

Hi! do you mean the ones using just DOI? If you go to the References section and click "edit" you can edit the template they expand to. Or would you prefer the templates to be copied into the host article? Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 13:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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fda

Do you wish to say that nccam is more reliable than fda? Ryanspir (talk) 19:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not think I stated that anywhere. Can you provide a link? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:43, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay!

Okay, okay, I've started the process with Turner syndrome - changed a word and added a couple commas - haha, big time changes. Michelleloucks (talk) 23:51, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Nice to see you are still around. I do not know how long would it take to update the MS article, but as soon as it is finished I will contact you. Bests.--Garrondo (talk) 14:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Sudden Cardiac Arrest and Atrial Fibrillation Edits

Hello Dr. James Heilman- I made some edits to both the Sudden Cardiac Arrest and Atrial Fibrillation wikipedia listings earlier to link back to the Heart Rhythm Society's website (hrsonline.org), that were recently denied. I would like to help share the hard work that our organization has been doing in both the overall public awareness, as well as provider and patient resources that we have been developing. If you wouldn't mind helping, we would appreciate it. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments regarding this request.

AFib Patient Landing Page http://www.hrsonline.org/Patient-Resources/Heart-Diseases-Disorders/Atrial-Fibrillation-AFib

AFib Awareness Page http://www.hrsonline.org/News/Atrial-Fibrillation-AFib-Awareness

SCA Patient Landing Page http://www.hrsonline.org/Patient-Resources/Heart-Diseases-Disorders/Sudden-Cardiac-Arrest-SCA

SCA Patient Awareness Page http://www.hrsonline.org/News/Sudden-Cardiac-Arrest-SCA-Awareness

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimiskelly (talk • contribs) 20:04, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

We do not typically link to charities per WP:ELNO. We typically just reference the best quality evidence. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 20:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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The Heart Rhythm Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Rhythm_Society) is a member driven non-profit organization thats mission is to improve the care of patients by advancing research, education and optimal health care policies and standards.

The individuals who developed the content that I was linking to off of the AFib and SCA pages are leading doctors in the field of electrophysiology. Our Patient and Caregivers Subcommittee (http://account.hrsonline.org/source/custom/Roster/index.cfm?Comm=EDU_PC) as well as our Scientific and Clinical Documents Committee (http://account.hrsonline.org/source/custom/Roster/index.cfm?Comm=SCIENT_CLINIC) helped develop and prove the accuracy of our websites content.

In no way is the Heart Rhythm Society a charitable organization, our main purpose is be the leading resource to individuals who specialize in cardiac rhythm disorders.

Boilerplate: The Heart Rhythm Society (HRS) is a leading resource on cardiac pacing and electrophysiology. This specialty organization represents medical, allied health, and science professionals from more than 70 countries who specialize in cardiac rhythm disorders HRS delivers programs and services to its membership based on its current Strategic Plan under the guidance of a Board of Trustees. Members and staff adhere to the HRS Code of Ethics and Professional Standards.

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimiskelly (talk • contribs) 20:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure still not a suitable ref per WP:MEDRS. In short we like review articles published in significant journals or major medical textbooks. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 20:52, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Strange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afib We are mentioned here under Reference 2 and one of our competitors is mentioned under Reference 7 and should be considered in the same classifications that you would label us in. It is still confusing why I cannot link the text Heart Rhythm Society back to HRSonline.org or even add our society as an external link without being denied. We are not trying to own the issue, but instead give the reader more available content to browse.

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimiskelly (talk • contribs) 21:13, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Competitors? Anyway will fix it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

dmoz

I'm wondering if MEDMOS should no longer encourage DMOZ links. It seems to me the Open Directory Project hasn't been much alive for years. In particular, using an unspecific DMOZ category, like you did with this edit isn't much use. If a person wants to know more about seizure types, a general DMOZ topic of "epilepsy" isn't the fastest way and could lead to all sorts of less desirable websites. Since we already have the DMOZ link to epilepsy at the epilepsy article, I don't see any value in repeating it for other related sub-topics. It seems to me the DMOZ link was always a cop-out of taking responsibility for finding and selecting high-quality links, if any. After, all, nobody needs us to provide external links for any article when Google generally does a fine job. What do you think? Colin°^Talk 21:32, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. I am happy with nothing. I am simply unhappy with charities thinking we are a good method to promote themselves without improve the content on Wikipedia and strongly believe we should not be a collection of external or internal links. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Hepatitis C - Heathcare exposure - change request revisited

A change was requested and granted (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hepatitis_C&action=edit&section=12). The text, however, is still unchanged as follows: "... decreasing the risk from one in 200 units of blood[24] to one in 10,000 to one in 10,000,000 per unit of blood ...". I would not notice it, were I not localizing it - and it is really hard to make sense.

Regards

SmozBleda (talk) 04:30, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes thanks and have corrected. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 06:53, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Ping

Mentioned you.[1] --Anthonyhcole (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Bugger. Where did SJ give the green light to WikiProject Med, James? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 14:49, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Bugger bugger. I missed the bit where Lane identified the IP, and I thought Bence's comment came after that. Bugger. James, Wikipedia talk:MED#JMIR Wiki Medical Reviews is just wonderful. Thank you so much for that. When Jimbo starts bestowing Knighthoods, I'm nominating you. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Anthony :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Promotion

Please leave this content. This is not promotional material has validity to be placed on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimiskelly (talk • contribs) 01:39, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure looks like it to me. If you wish a further opinion please post at WT:MED. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Migraine discussion

Hi, As I've noted on the Migraine talk page, I'm happy to see the link go somewhere else. What I don't approve of is people playing editor simply by taking down links because they don't approve of the website. The information in the article is 100% accurate. Please take the time to check such things before you react based purely on personality. This is the reason why the number of genuine Wikipedia editors are declining. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlepils (talk • contribs) 03:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Littlepils, I just left you a detailed note on your User Talk page, but to summarize: Meeja is not a reliable source, and per the Wikipedia policy WP:BURDEN it is up to you to find and cite a reliable source for your edits. Zad68 04:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

cochrane

But this source is just one of the sources. Fda is considered as an ideal source, yet their clearance of cs gel didn't find its way into the article. And so are 6 pubmed publications i have submitted. Zad said first two are primary, third is secondary and didn't comment upon the other 3. Isn't a balanced article shall incorporate all views? Ryanspir (talk) 15:59, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Can you point me to the FDA bit and what you want to include from it? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Pretty sure Ryan's talking about this 2009 FDAEPA approval for American Biotech Labs' silver-containing "ASAP-AGX-32" surface disinfectant product, which has been attempted to be used several times at the article to support content like, "Liquid sprays containing silver nanoparticles may be used as a hard-surface disinfectant." The FDAEPA approval is for this one product only and does not mention "nanoparticles." The objection has been that a single product's FDAEPA approval should not be used to make a general statement like that. Zad68 16:16, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah so it is not a statement about silver generally? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

All the statements in that FDAEPA document are about "this product" ASAP-AGX-32. Ryan will have to confirm if this is the document he's talking about. Zad68 16:31, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Zad is mistaken as it often happens when he is discussing with me. :) agx product is approved by epa, not fda. I wasn't refering to it though. I was refering to the fda cleared gel which is 24 ppm. The info and links to fda are on the article's talk page. but since zad is here, i would like to ask him what about the other 3 pubmed studies out of 6 to which he didn't comment yet. Ryanspir (talk) 16:34, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I need a link. And what you wish to support with it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Woops, sorry about that, the AGX product document is indeed the EPA not FDA. As Doc said, you need to provide the link. Zad68 16:41, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

the links

the link to the fda and news were on a talk page, but especially kind editor removed them in order to not corrupt the minds of the editors. Search for fda approval/clearance asap gel for wound care on fda.gov and in the news. Its not about what i wish to support with it. I just would like it to be summarized per wiki policy in the article. Ryanspir (talk) 17:47, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks no links/ references? No content you wish to support? I guess we are done here. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 18:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

446 bytes

if you will see your talk page history i have posted them. Where are they? :) Ryanspir (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Any chance that you guys could move this article-specific discussion to the article talk page?Desoto10 (talk) 22:06, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

3RR

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Wonderful thank for following up. Easy to do. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 20:02, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Revert

Would you like voluntarily revert your last revert? I'll wait a bit to let you reply before submitting report to Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring (new section). Ryanspir (talk) 17:03, 26 January 2013 (UTC) ::Hey Ryan. I am currently blocked and thus unable. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I am not blocked. Someone is just pasting comments with other peoples signatures on my talk page. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:07, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I have followed: "You must notify any user you report. You may use { {subst:an3-notice} } to do so." That's what I did. Sorry if I did something wrong, but I'm still waiting for your reply, shall I report or you will undo? Ryanspir (talk) 17:20, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure A couple of things. One is that their is consensus for my reverts here [2] with three editors supporting the current situation and just you opposing. One typically needs consensus to change the article not to keep it the way it is.

The exact line is "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period".[3] I appreciate the heads up as it appears we where coming close. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up again. The thing is Wikipedia is based on consensus. And you have NO consensus for your change. But I shall leave this to someone else. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:49, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Translation discussion on Jimbo's talk page

In case you missed it; you might want to add what's happening with Med articles. You understand what's happening far better than I do. User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 125#A new translation project --Anthonyhcole (talk) 11:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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HIV/AIDS

Hi Doc, I'm going to expand "AIDS" in Persian Wikipedia and probably make it FA. Since there are a few Farsi RS about AIDS, I have to translate the English article with all the citations. But first of all I must ascertain whether the citations are really correct or not, it means that I should check all of the sources and verify its contents.I don't know how I can access to the journals, and most of the references are journals, would you please guide me how to access them? Regards ●Mehran ^Debate● 14:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Let me refer you to User:Ocaasi. He can hopefully help you get access to journal resources. Also have you seen this project Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Translation_task_force/RTT? A couple of professional translators will be translating HIV/AIDs soon into Farsi if you would like help. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:19, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I rewrote my question on Ocaasi talk page. I saw your link and it sounds surprising for me. In case of HIV/AIDS, I almost translated the whole article and just about 30% of it has remained. In fact, the translating process is not difficult as much as citing is. Anyway I would be very happy if I can do any contributions to this project. I'll start my contributing soon after I finished the HIV/AIDS. Thank you very much for your guidance ●Mehran ^Debate● 19:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I sent you an email. You can send me that bunch of content and I'll submit them in Persian Wikipedia.

P.S: Did you participate in writing HIV/AIDS and make it GA? Or do you know who wrote the references of the article? It's enough for me if I know it has been written by a reliable person and I won't verify the citations if I know that they're really correct.

Regards :) ●Mehran ^Debate● 04:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes brought it to GA a few months ago. Took me many hundreds of edits over a few months. Happy with it.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

My talk page

Kindly take a look at the Issue section in my talk page. Shall I next time reply on your talk page as your signature suggests? Thank you. Ryanspir (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

We went to dispute resolution and the conclusions are clear [4]. In the future please post on the talk page for the medical uses of silver rather than here please. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just wanted to say thank you for the quick feedback on the Afatinib article suggestion. Much appreciated. --Sagschneider (talk) 14:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Commons:Commons:Batch uploading/ECGPedia Hi. I'll be doing the Commons:Commons:Batch uploading/ECGPedia this week. You can keep tabs at Commons:Commons:Bots/Requests/Smallbot 8. Beside the rhythm puzzles, everything else can be uploaded right? There are >5000 files and ~15GB.Smallman12q (talk) 00:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC) Yes everything but the rhythm puzzles. Many thanks for taking this on :-) Wow 15 Gbs. Other organizations really do love collaborating with Wikipedia. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC) Not sure if watchlisted, see Commons:Commons:Bots/Requests/Smallbot 8 for update.Smallman12q (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC) In case you missed above message....just a friendly reminder. I need a response. If its fine, I can begin upload. I can't clean them up much more.Smallman12q (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Time to weigh in Hi Doc, I know you're busy but now would be a good time to weigh in at the silver DRN case here. Thanks... Zad68 18:23, 29 January 2013 (UTC) FYI Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ryanspir. If you have anything to add, go right ahead. Basalisk inspect damage⁄berate 20:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Thanks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 22:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Medical silver - Text removal. Hello Doc. Consensus was reached to remove the disputed text "Silver preps deliver inactive metallic silver ions". I hope you will read the discussion in Talk (Section : Silver colloids, ions, ingestion and antibacterial properties) particulary Desotos's final para that provides greater detail about the reference. Cheers. Blakebeau (talk) 00:18, 30 January 2013 (UTC) Can you provide a link to the section in question? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC) Sorry, I don't know how to link to a Talk section. I'll try and find out, but in the meantime here's Desoto's comment about the reference... "I have now read the article in full ("So what if you are Blue"). The article is, indeed, about wound dressings, but in the introduction the authors make the quote about CS that we have in the article. They do not reference the statement, and there is no information in the article to back it up. In addition, the article is really a case report and is labeled as such by the journal. My opinion is that this is a very very weak source, the quotation is in the Introduction section, the article is a primary source (Case Study), and the first author is a medical student (not that there is anything wrong with that) and the citation lists only 18 sources. Given these reservations, I suggest that we delete the quote and reference.Desoto10 (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Blakebeau (talk) 01:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC) References James, thank you for the advice on identifying reliable sources, specifically for medical pages. I understand why these references require additional scrutiny, thanks for your guidance OscarK878 (talk) 09:21, 30 January 2013 (UTC) References AT WP:MED we typically use references per WP:MEDRS such as review articles or major textbooks. A good place to find medical sources is TRIP database Cheers. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Nevertheless your edits reduced rather than added to the utility of the article hypertension. Editing guidelines that have that effect are questionable. The "Well" blog on the The New York Times is an excellent source, and the book by Mann is appropriate further reading. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Would disagree. Even the review you use is a little old. We have some excellent recent guidelines on the management of hypertension. We should be using those more. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC) If there are some excellent recent guidelines on the management of hypertension why did the article before I edited it lack the basic information I added? Do the guidelines you suggest contain this information? What is the reason for low quality? User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:24, 31 January 2013 (UTC) Also what is it you disagree with and why? For example, can you give a good reason why Mann's book is not appropriate further reading. Why is a blog by medical writer which cites a review not an appropriate source? By the way, making trouble over New York Times articles disrupts my editing routine which nearly always begins with a NYT's article of some sort. BTW I signed up for the Tripdatabase and found some useful material. User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:23, 31 January 2013 (UTC) We do not use any blogs as references as they are just not reliable enough. And why would we link to that book? I am not sure what it has going for it. I have seen many errors in the popular press and all these need to be replaced by better quality sources. Often the popular press is just a copy and pasted version of Wikipedia :-) Jacob updated the reference you provided further. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)