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I am glad...

... you are expanding the article on Dalida. She was a lovely entertainer and cross-cultural ambassador. Please let me know when you finish, so I may copy-edit if needed (that's how I found this article in the first place). All the Best, Shir-El too 09:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Shir-El too thank you very much. I am already collaborating with one English speaking editor for copy-edit through sandboxes. I will notice you on your talk page when I finish new section. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 13:56, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome any time. All the Best, Shir-El too 16:30, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Text in your sandbox

Hi, sorry it's taken me so long to get around to this - I've been pretty busy recently. Is the text in your sandbox still waiting for review? I was about to start looking through it now, but I thought I'd better check with you that this was the correct version to look at. Please confirm and I'll proceed. (Please ping me when replying - I've been doing a lot of anti-vandalism work recently, and I've currently got several thousand pages in my watchlist, so it's hard to keep an eye on talk pages unless someone pings me!). Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 17:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: hello, it is ok. Well the thing is that I tought how the 1967-1973 period text is finished and needs only your typo, but then I saw other featured or GA wiki articles and I realized that this text just won't work. So I started rewriting from beginning and I am already on my half way, so in two/three days you can expect that in my sandbox a whole new text will appear. Thanks for your help, I think that you will like the change, I improved everything. Cordially Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 21:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

OK, cool - let me know when the text is ready for review, and I'll get onto it - I'll try not to keep you waiting so long this time! Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 07:23, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Creation of the article "2019 in France" in English Wikipedia

Hello, DalidaEditor. Happy New Year to you! 2019 is coming soon. Can you creat the article "2019 in France" in English Wikipedia? Thanks a lot!
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 Done Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 15:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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Elle, lui et l'autre....

Hi, hope you're well? I came across Elle, lui et l'autre.... just now while I was reviewing new pages. I wanted to let you know that, as it stands, there's not enough evidence of notability for the album - see WP:NALBUM for more details. Are you able to find some reviews of the album and/or some evidence that it appeared on a national chart somewhere? That would go a long way to establishing notability, and would help improve the article too. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:07, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: Hey, thanks for contact, I am very bussy and have no time for wiki so that main article project is in somehow hiatus. Few days ago I decided to cleanup Dalida discography articles and found many missings and mistakes. Look at other albums, recently other users contacted me and found that all album articles of Dalida are completely subs and may be deleted. I am doing that stuff now, I have alot of documents which I will insert into articles. Btw Elle lui reached #1... just for you to know haha. CordiallyDalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 18:13, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

OK, cool. You should probably put a sentence into the article quite quickly, just to say that it reached #1 (mention which countries) - that would satisfy the notability concern, and should stop the article getting deleted - you can go back and fill in the references when you have time. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

DalidaEditor, Hey there. I'm working with Girth on some work together and he came across your article as part of that, but I also independently came across your work while doing NPP. Since we have no deadline rather than putting under construction banners on a whole bunch of pages to try and ward off NPP like me perhaps you could just go gradually, making sure to note how they pass WP:NALBUM early on. Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:21, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: Hey, awesome idea! Thanks for "joining" but, does that mean that for a while all pages with WP:NALBUM issue have to be redirected? If that is so I really have nothing against....Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 21:52, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

DalidaEditor it's up to individual New Page Patrollers (or other editors like Girth who come across them). I tend to do it pretty consistently for the articles I come across, but other patrollers take other tacts (including doing nothing). Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I see you've worked on Le temps des fleurs. That's quite some development you did. Congrats! Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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Disambiguation and lack of sources about /* Vocal and musical styles */

Hello DalidaEditor I am writing you in regards to your Wikipedia contribution about Dalida's voice under the section "Vocal and musical styles", where you've cited this: "Dalida had an alto singing voice, combined with male Verdi baritone as it could extend down to G2, which is unusual. Her vocal range was the equivalent of 33 piano keys, a 2.54 octave range." Well, permit me to tell you that your contribution lacks precision and has a lot of erroneous information, not to mention the lack of references. First of all, she had a contralto voice, not an alto. Alto is a term used in choirs and it can't describe vocal fach, especially soloist voices. May I ask you about your sources in regards to your mentioning her voice being combined with male Verdi Baritone and being able to reach G2???? And about vocal range, it is amateurish to count the number of piano keys and is seldom used among musicians. I tried so many times to correct your misleading information, but alas, you seem offended by my contribution. I assume your mentioning of the Verdi Baritone stems from a French documentary about her "Dalida, le grand voyage" where it is mentioned that she used to accompany her dad to the Cairo opera where she sang over Verdi Baritone roles, but how come that you only retained this and didn't pay attention to the other mentioned fact about her voice being able to sing at ease in both low and high register? And in an old French interview of her she mentioned that she used to sing Verdi baritone roles, and she sang in deed Largo al Factotum. but if you had the trouble to assess her vocal performance, she never sang the low notes (which are very few in the aria itself) and she remained in the common range between Tenor and Contralto. It is common in France to use the verb "barytoner" to describe especially women singing with a loud chest voice or heavily belting, without particularly meaning that she is singing low Baritone notes. Thus you rely on an expression and not on solid scientific proofs. And then you copied and pasted the Wikipedia definition of Verdi Baritone without any further discussion or inquiring. You omitted the fact that the Verdi Baritone is a dramatic voice while Dalida had a less powerful voice (in terms of Decibels and projection), you also neglected the core characteristic of the Verdi Baritone voice which is being "capable of singing consistently and with ease in the highest part of the baritone range", thus the stress is on the highest part (which overlaps the tenor and Contralto range) not the low G2, and this is the main reason for comparing Dalida's voice to Verdi Baritone, which is singing heavily and powerfully the medium range with a dark tone of voice. And just a reminder: the usual baritone tessitura is D3 to Sib4, and it is higher for Verdi Baritone. If anything, Dalida's voice should rather be compared to Baryton-Martin. So again, you solely rely on an expression used as for literary effect and not on solid scientific proof. But still, can you cite me one vocal performance of her where she reached low G2? I for myself, had studied her voice for more than 20 years, and consulted a lot of voice teachers and experts who told me that she had a Mezzo-Contralto voice, with equal ease in both the low and high registers. And my mentioning of her range and tessitura are accurate and scientific I can support my contribution with facts and can name the songs where she reaches the mentioned notes, what about you? I am waiting for your response, but if you failed to respond, I will reedit your post and I will back up my contribution with references. Best regards.

@212.101.237.33: Hello user, as you don't have any userpage I used your IP adress to ping you. For further communication please create userpage and then respond to me. First I have to correct you when you said that I was offended by your contributions, which means you think I undo your work on main article of Dalida. That is not true, I went to history page now and I saw that some other users did that. I haven't even noticed your edits. Second, don't assume why did I edit something in the way I did, that is jumping to conclusions. I am talking about my update of Dalida's voice; I just copied statement found on official page dalida.com which I used as source - I know nothing about voices. Now at the end, as I can see that you are well introduced in voices, I kindly ask you to write the description of Dalida's voices and post it here so we will discuss about the upload. I am really excited. CordiallyDalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 22:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@DalidaEditor:

Hello. You said you were not offended, and thus you deliberately reedited my correction of Dalida's Childhood in Cairo, where there is erroneous information in regards to her parents and grandparents. Both of her parents were born in Egypt, her grandparents had emigrated from Calabria in 1893 (ironically I used a web page posted on your blog http://www.ansa.it/canale_viaggiart/it/regione/calabria/2017/10/30/dalida-icona-musica-con-radici-calabresi_8ba1cb44-284e-4144-8516-801f69f42f05.html), the reference you used (Dalida's official website) simply states that "she came from an Italian family which had emigrated to Egypt" without any further detail about who were born where and again you've added extra information referring it to this source, I am fluent in English, and French and Italian, and if you refer to her official biography (Mon frère tu écriras mes mémoires by Catherine Rihoit) you'll see that both of her parents were born in Egypt, and that her maternal grandmother Elena was from Puglia and had left Italy because she was a single mother and that her daughter (Dalida's mother) was born out of wedlock, and that her grandmother Elena was the one who bought the house and offered to her daughter Giuseppina after her marriage, that the sister of her paternal grandmother Rosa was married to Ruggiero Duse cousin of the great actress Eleonora Duse, rival of Sarah Bernhardt...

As for the Vocal profile, her is what I've written: Dalida had a contralto singing voice, although it was rather a Mezzo-contralto which is the equal of the basso cantabile or Bass-Baryton for men; her singing range was almost three octaves (from C#3 to Bb5) while her tessitura was from (D3/Eb3) to Bb4 /C5, thus her voice spanned over tenor, contralto and [[mezzo-soprano registers.. Like Amalia Rodrigues and Edith Piaf she seldom used her falsetto and head voice and her singing explored the expressive range in her voice lying in the low chest register and the middle register. There is some misconception about her being able sing Verdi Baritone parts and reaching a low G2, which is untrue, and originates from her appearance in a French tv interview in the late 50's where she sang Rossini's Largo al Factotum from his opera The Barber of Seville, where she executed the high parts of the aria with a heavy vocal technique which gave the impression that she was singing low, whereas she stayed in her usual contralto range (Eb3 to Bb4).

And the Refrences are

- Mon frère tu écriras mes mémoires by Catherine Rihoit (where Dalida had said in an interview to «Jours de France»/ 21.1.74 that her voice goes high up to Bb5)

- http://dalida.com/courrier/courrier-des-lecteurs/lire-les-reponses/2765-mp.html

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvpfxTHl8vE where she sings Largo al Factotum and any musician can measure the lowest note she reaches which is Eb3 though she darkens her voice to sound like a Baritone but she is still a Mezzo-Contralto.

So for you (and the others who constantly reedit me) to decide if my remarks have any value. Regards 212.101.237.115 (talk) 18:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@212.101.237.115: Hi, I am very happy to see your response. By the way I was never offended by you nor I did reedit you before yesterday regarding her parents. Thanks for information about Catherine Rihoit biography, I obviously have the oldest edition that doesn't mention your story. I ordered the newest online so I will check that info. And regarding her voice, thanks for this analysis, I will adapt it for wiki and update. You seem to be fan of Dalida, would you like to participate in updates?Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 20:52, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@DalidaEditor:

Sure I would like to. BTW, I appreciate your work and efforts to Dalida's profile, and that is what we all fans have in common. Don't worry, but please for God's sake, remove this Verdi Bartione and Low G2 thing, totally false and misleading. I understand that is a misconception. And believe me you're not the only one. There were a famous Italian songwriter called Paolo Limiti, who once was hosted on an Italian Tv show to talk about Dalida and Luigi Tenco's affair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGEEOzA2t8), well he said that Dalida used to work as a servant in Paris before getting famous, which is totally wrong, and I could understand where that might have come from: it's because of the fact that she lived in a single room on the roof, which is called in French "chambre de bonne", so he thought that she was a servant (bonne). I am telling you this to bring to your attention how much it is delicate to translate from one language to another, hence the term "lost in translation".... I could tell you thousand of stories about Dalida, like how when still a rising singer performing in cabarets, King Farouk came one night and when he knew that she was from Egypt he asked to have her sit at his table after her number, and she accepted out of respect for him because he was once her monarch though she never sat with customers, so he tried to put his hands on her leg, and Booooomm what do you know? she slaped him and went away!!!

@212.101.237.115: Hahah thanks I know that. I updated her voice text. So, you are welcome to update anything, just previously propose it to Talk page. CordiallyDalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 23:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@DalidaEditor:

Hello, thanks for updating the vocal category, though I have some remarks about it. Why is it important to count the piano keys? The last phrase is somehow incorrect (expressively ranged chest voice). She is a contralto sings in the contralto register , Mezzo-contratlo is an extra added definition to give further precision about her voice characteristic being able to sing both low and high with much ease. I suggest to rarrange the part of her voice spanning over tenor, contralto and mezzo-soprano registers or to re-adapt it, though it is very common for trained voices to overlap both the adjacent registers below and above, nothing special about it. I suggest we mention that she sang by ear, as she couldn't read music. so here is the update I propose:

Dalida had a Contralto singing voice or more precisely a Mezzo-contralto, (equal of basso cantante for men). Her vocal range was approximately of 3 octaves from C#3 to Bb5, her tessitura stretched over 2 octaves from D3/Eb3 to Bb4/C5. Dalida seldom used her falsetto and head voice so her singing was mostly confined within her expressive chest voice range. While her singing voice belongs to the contralto range, some of her songs pertained to either the tenor key or mezzo-soprano keys due to the ease her voice had in carrying both the low and mid-high registers. Her voice had a unique velvety rich dark color characterized by a pleasing harmonious vibrato and an androgynous tone that made her voice instantly recognizable. Dalida sang by ear, and couldn't read music.

Dalida was very much influenced by Amalia Rodrigues in her debuts... shouldn't this be added? at the beginning of the 80's she quit smoking and her voice had become lighter and softer and quite amazingly slightly higher in pitch... A major part of her French hits were covers of foreign hits, and she had such a vocal charisma that any song she sand would become instantly hers...

I have a proposition to make, about her fashion Icon status, she was a very chic fashionable icon with exquisite taste, up till now her dresses and toilettes are still trendy nowadays... We could elaborate much on this, and I will make some researches and provide you with the references. Also her long blonde hair which was part of her persona... In september 1983 she had a new look that made her hair so much shorter, and she regretted it, and couldn't wait to have it grow back to its usual length.... (again I will provide you with references) Also about the evolution of her looks and make up, from heavy kohl or eyeliner to natural make up and her metamorphosis from brunette to redhead (beginning of 60's) to blonde (august 1964)... Also about her quest to educate herself, she was a free auditor of Philosophy at the Sorbonnes, and her conversion to Buddhism in the late 60's after the SanRemo tragedy 67... her exprience with Freud and she had a Freudian psychoanalysis which she qualified as penible as walking down to hell (descente a l'enfer).

About her parents, I gave you the reference (the Italian website you've used on your blog, it says clearly that her grandparents had emigrated to Egypt in 1893). Her parents were born in Egypt.

Best regards.

@212.101.237.115: Hello, thanks for your efforts. I updated the Voice section and feel free to notice me do you agree. I had to remove some of new info you said because administrators would reject it as it doesn't fit encyclopedic article. Rrgarding Amalia Rodrigues, Dalida was influenced by several singers in various parts of her career so Rodrigues cannot simply have a dedicated part of text. The whole wiki article will be updated in encyclopedic way with all info you tell me, but I am currently bussy and it will happen in future months. Everything you mentiond I know, from her style to her covers. I am happy to see that tgere is a fan dedicated like you, but your way of editing is not encyclopedic so admins would reject it immediately. But that doesn't prevent you from trying to edit the article or to mention anything on talk page. By the way, that link for Dalida childhood is not valid enough and my new biography will come in few days so we will solve that. Cordially Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 17:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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Dalida actress/actor revert

Hello, today you reverted an edit I made on the Dalida page, where I changed the word "actress" to "actor" in the introduction. Actor is nowadays the preferred gender-neutral term for this profession, actress is quickly becoming outdated, similarly to "stewardess", which has been replaced with "flight attendant", etc. You didn't provide an explanation for reverting my edit. Would you care to clarify why you did so? werewolf (talk) 03:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Because there is no reason to use gender neutral words ahead of gender defined. Plus, that is some novelty I've never heard of and is not important at all because the text was completely fine like this and there is "no need to change when it is not broken". Dalida is a woman, not man. Actress is a word, it is only possible by purpose to become outdated. Cordially Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 03:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Nobody is suggesting that Dalida is not a woman, that is completely beside the point. This is an issue of moving away from gendered profession names as they may perpetuate sexist stereotypes in some contexts. As I mentioned, a few examples of this include "flight attendant" instead of "stewardess", "police officer" instead of "policeman", "mail carrier" instead of "mailman", etc. Please realize that simply because you have never heard of something doesn't invalidate it, we all learn new things every day. Have you considered doing some research into the topic? I recommend reading the Wikipedia article Gender marking in job titles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_marking_in_job_titles) as it describes the issue as well as the associated debate. Additionally, here are some useful links for your perusal: https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/may/05/from-air-hostesses-to-firemen-its-time-to-drop-gendered-job-titles; https://www.google.com/search?q=using+actor+instead+of+actress&oq=using+actor+ins&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57.3111j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 werewolf (talk) 14:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I heard for gender neutral words but I've never heard that their usage is becoming more preferable. Nevertheless, that edit is not necessary because imposing gender neutral words is your personal desire, not something widely accepted, making further discussion not needed as the article is already qood. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 15:41, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

That's a rather dictatorial attitude on your part, and it's unfortunate that you seem unwilling to consider the merit of a different perspective. Rather than engaging in a potentially enlightening discussion, you are shutting it down. I will request a third opinion on this matter. werewolf (talk) 03:30, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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I looked at random three articles: Sharon Stone, Audrey Tautou, Ingrid Bergman and found there: American actress, French actress, Swedish actress. It seems to me that the replacement of the “actress” by the “actor” is not a consensus at the moment. Perhaps Revirvlkodlaku need a broader discussion of this issue, rather than edits in a single article. Nicoljaus (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Nicoljaus Thank you for your feedback. You mention that there doesn't seem to be a consensus on the topic. Are you referring to a putative consensus here on Wikipedia, in general parlance, or in the acting industry? Also, are you discouraging the gradual change of the word "actress" to "actor" across Wikipedia in the absence of a broader discussion of the topic on this forum? werewolf (talk) 04:11, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: I had that attitude because this is not discussion page to discuss. If the editor wanted to discuss he could've used the talk page of Dalida.... so to short the circumlocution, the userpage of this man clearly states that he is vegetarian amd like gender neutral words, that is enough information to explain. And there is one wikirule above all this "discussion" - "if it works, dont change it".Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 01:51, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm honestly struggling to understand what you are trying to say. Apart from not bringing the issue up on the correct page (?!), I'm not sure whom you are referring to when you say "the editor"...are you referring to me or someone else? Who is vegetarian and what does this have to do with anything? You are genuinely confusing me. Also, the wikirule which you quote doesn't seem relevant. I'm not sure if you looked at the links I shared with you, which elucidate the point I've been trying to make regarding the gradual change in profession names, but I get the impression that you didn't. Your arguments for reverting my edit seem rather conservative and uninformed. werewolf (talk) 04:11, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

This very moment stop using my userpage as a discussion page for your own opinions. And get urself a life. There are other stuff to fix on wiki. Weird globalist Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 06:46, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DalidaEditor, your attitude is an embarrassment to the Wikipedia community. You have demonstrated no willingness to engage in an open and democratic discussion of your actions, instead imposing your will simply due to the fact that nobody is interested in regulating your decisions. You are clearly not a native English user and yet you would presume to revert edits in a language whose usage you do not fully grasp. I will drop the matter as it isn't going anywhere, but I do hope that the next time we speak, you will have reflected on your lack of humility and maturity. werewolf (talk) 13:42, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: No dear user, I am just disgusted by people like you and I tried not to show it on wikipedia, but to be tolerant as much as I can. First of all my talk page is not the place to discuss about an article, I was open for discussion at talk page of Dalida. Your continous ignoring of me saying this pissed me off. Second, this very subject is complete stupidity, Dalida is women. There is female version of noun actor. Vegetarians, globalists, liberals and homosexuals are type of person that usually want to inflict things that you are talking about, and when my mind "registers" those actions, I simply delete it. Bye.. Keep your modern inventions at home. You should have discussed something before chamging it. And again you forget the rule "if it is not broken, don't change it".Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 18:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

DalidaEditor I would like to caution you about making false insinuations against LGBTQ people ("homosexual" is not the preferred term and is in fact considered to be a slur by many) as this can easily be construed as homophobia, something which is not tolerated on Wikipedia. werewolf (talk) 02:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Please stop reverting - there is a discussion on the article talk page and as you will see there, the claims you make above are factually incorrect. It really seems as if you are disrupting Wikipedia to make a point and that is of course unacceptable. Participate in the talk page discussion - and please note that you do not own the article and your opinions carry no greater weight than those of other editors. --bonadea contributions talk 18:54, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: homosexual is proper noun, no one is insulting you. And I was referring to you when I was saying "vegetarian". Look what mess you made just because of your gender ideology wishes... Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 05:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bonadea: oh no you won't, I've passed througjt this alrrady several times and had enough problems on french wiki. Let me explain something: the article exists in its shape for a long period. If you want to make a change, you discuss it. The change is done after the discussion ended, not during discussion or before the discussion. The article stays in its original shape all way until the discussion is done. Plus, didn't you saw third opinion by Nicoljaus? The discussion is done, actress stays. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 05:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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Do you see the extra single quote at the end, there? 09:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Mathglot thanks for warning, haven't noticed at all as I am more oftenly on phone. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 13:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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Dalida: appeal for your understanding with a view to improving and clarifying the article

Hello,

You recently changed Dalida's nationality again. I invite you to re-read the discussion page where factual proof attesting to her dual Franco-Italian nationality has been provided. It was even agreed to leave it written like this in the introduction.

With regard to the article of the song Le jour où la pluie viendra (Dalida's version), you have also deleted my contributions, there also ignoring all the sources which informed real figures. In addition, you criticize a work of research and sources even though it must be so with each contribution. For information, the song Le jour où la pluie viendra released in 1957 was first a success in France, then in Quebec and Spain before being translated into German (Am tag als der regen kam) and becoming a success across the Rhine in 1959. What is the point of keeping the translation of the title in German as the title of the article when the original song is Le jour où la pluie viendra ? Why not take in these cases the title translated into Spanish as it appeared in the Hispanic charts? Do you see the limits of such reasoning?

Can you please take part in the debate? And I beg you to bring your sources. All this in the sole interest of improving all articles concerning Dalida which are currently non-encyclopedic and for some not at all factual. As far as I am concerned, you can easily find all my sources. They have already been given.

To help you, don't let yourself be blinded by the displayed passion you have for the singer. Dalida had a very fine international career.

Sincerely yours,

wishing you very good future contributions --Elenora.C (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I am trying to be off wiki but your recent appeareance keeps bringing me back. I cannot read it all, I will be short.

It is you who changed Dalida's nationality. Not me. I was reverting your edits back. Now I invite you to accept editors agreement from 2 years back, where we decided she is "French singer, born in Egypt to Italian parents".

This is a wiki article talk page, not a place for you to post me private questions. You should've posted this to my talk page. Good day to you, Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 06:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

@DalidaEditor So you "can't read it all" and you intervene without taking into consideration the new elements brought in, sourced moreover? No real consensus found before my intervention (1 & 2) and those of some other users. You actually intervened to impose your opinion each time and indicated that Dalida was only French, which is wrong. Many, if not all, users have come back to this point on the article's talk page. On the other hand, you still do not provide sources to illustrate your remarks, which is regrettable. What makes that the contributions that you had made in the introduction of the article were not good and were countered point by point. Dalida is not the first to have received a platinum or diamond disc. No Dalida was not the leader in Europe etc... I invite you again to read and also take into consideration the recent interventions of other users who go in the direction that Dalida has dual French-Italian nationality. This is not my opinion as you claim but is a proven fact. Please master yourselves so that we can progress together to be able to write this article in the best possible way. Sincerely Elenora.C (talk) 09:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

@Elenora.C Dalida's legal status was french nationality, by her documents. It is by far know that she dropped her italian nationality upon marriage. Please stop pursuing your understanding of her emotions towards italy from interviews, which you used as source while explaining yourself on Dalida article talk page, and consider the real documents. Look at her identity card from 70s; [1] Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 23:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@DalidaEditor Thanks for taking time to respond to me. You should know that it is precisely in consideration of her official documents and of French and Italian law that Dalida's dual nationality is well and truly established. For your information, Italian law provides that women who after January 1, 1948 have automatically acquired a foreign nationality by effect of marriage with foreign citizens or by foreign naturalization of the Italian-born husband, have not lost Italian nationality. According to the Consulate General of Italy, taking up the notion of "uninterrupted possession", a principle of Italian law. In fact, dual nationality is specific to France. French nationality law, codified after the Revolution, already does not necessarily require a naturalized person to break with his or her original nationality. Consequently, being able to certify her Italian nationality through her birth certificate and her French nationality through her identity documents, Dalida is indeed an Italian-French woman from a legal and therefore factual point of view. In addition, the nationality that one has of another country does not appear on the identity documents. The identity document of a country is an attestation of the nationality of the latter and not of the others. One can thus have several identity papers. Dalida has an Italian ID as well. I created a new topic about this in the talk page. So, I would kindly ask you to stop saying that I violate the main article. Sorry to stress this but please provide sources. Look at the amount of misinformation you introduced into the article. None had been seriously checked. Let's not reverse the roles. Greetings Elenora.C (talk) 03:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

@Elenora.C Ethnicity is not same as nationality! Dalida dropped her Italian nationality upon marriage in 1961 and took the French. Accept that! [2] Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 12:14, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I see that you don't want to participate in a constructive debate. Despite the elements provided. I did not participate in any way in the debate on the French, Italian and Spanish Wikipedia pages. Sometimes there were debates. However, it is clearly indicated that she is Italian-French. The law also proves it. You refute factual elements without providing evidence to the contrary. I have no personal interest in saying that Dalida is Italian-French. What's the point ? A third person intervened and validated the binational status in addition to the discussion. Others have pointed this out long before my intervention. Against this your argument is: "Accept that !". Please don't fall for its endless drifts. Thank you for your reply. Elenora.C (talk) 12:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

You say I don't provide any ecidence? I literally linked her identity card. The only evdience that should be considered is that document. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 12:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Dual nationality is a concept that goes beyond the simple identity card assigned by a country which is only competent to endorse the fact that such a person has nationality on the scale of its territory. Which is the case for France. We do not provide proof of dual nationality only with an identity document. Neither of its existence nor of its non-existence. Hence all the elements provided above. Elenora.C (talk) 13:22, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

This what you are talking about is affliation to a country - feelings. That is what we can't extract from legal documents, only we can as is Jolanda herself. But in this case Egypt cannot be neglected. It is the trio in Dalida's case: France-Egypt-Italy. That is her feelings. But we can't write that down in first few lines, so short version "French singer born in Egypt to Italian parents" fits the most. Further explinations of her feelings can be done in "Private life" section. Dalida was affliated to a one country as a singer - France. And that is why she is French singer. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 14:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

You mix ethnicity, feelings with nationality and country law. I have already provided the sources showing that Dalida never had Egyptian nationality. In which case, we should have written italo-egypto-french. On the other hand, she has a birth certificate which attests to her Italian nationality. But also identity papers. Both countries recognize dual nationality. This is a fact. No tacit loss of Italian nationality; Italy preserving it for its nationals despite marriage to foreigner after the date of January 1, 1948. From the moment when the law grants to preserve Italian nationality, it is necessary for this to already possess it. Also no decree of naturalization of Dalida found in the OJ in France stipulating a formal renunciation of her Italian nationality. QED. Clearly, what can you say about Italian law and uninterrupted possession and French law (dual citizenship)? Aren't they real sources? Did I invent them? Am I responsible for this? Elenora.C (talk) 14:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Dear you. "You mix ethnicity, feelings with nationality and country law.".. me? It is you who is doing that and I am trying to explain you that. I am happy that you say "dalida never had egyptian nationality" and use it as reason for not including egypt. Perfect! Now just use that logic for the year 1961, when she married Morisse and dropped her italian nationality in favour of french. I linked the document. She has no dual nationality. She Was French.Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 16:05, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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I am ingaged in edit war with you, and then you threaten me with blocking. That is biased. + on talk page I was clear with stating how it is you and Elonora who started changes. It is you two who make reverts. My edits are restoring action to original state. Elonora and you could not make any changes until you reach consenzus with other editors on talk page, which didn't happened. You two constantly annul the wording that was agreed 2 years ago.Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 20:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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Stop edit warring at Dalida. I told you, if you feel your edits are correct, have it requested to be protected. Stop repeatedly putting your own edits back after they have been reverted. RHF 19 (talk) 22:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@RHF 19 aha okay, sorry didn't understood. Can you give me advice where to do it? Thanks in advance! Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 22:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@DalidaEditor You can request here RHF 19 (talk) 22:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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DalidaEditor (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I was engaged in edit war on Dalida. But I did not start it. + the users who were part of it alongside me, recieved none warnings as did I. + one of the users who was engaged in it alongside me, warned me on my talk page. Isn't it biased to be part of edit war and then warn the other user how he may be blocked?? It should be done by third-party. I even appealed on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Edit war - User:Binksternet. Then a third-party joined, and warned aagain solely me! Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 02:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Didn't your parents ever say the immortal phrase "I don't care who started it"? See also WP:NOTTHEM. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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May 2022

After discussion with the blocking administrator Bbb23, I have converted your block to an indefinite page block of Dalida, since you have been repeatedly disruptive on that specific page. You are free to make well-referenced edit requests to Talk: Dalida, and if your edit requests gain consensus, they can be implemented by other editors. Please read the Guide to appealing blocks. Cullen328 (talk) 02:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I am ready to talk with Dalida Editor, despite the editing wars in which he put us, to guide him in order to continue to improve the article and to count among his intermediaries if they really accept the principles of Wikipedia. Thanks for taking action @Cullen328. I allow myself following your intervention to update the few counter-productive modifications that he made recently. Dalida's article will now be able to get out of the state it has been in for some time. Elenora.C (talk) 02:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Elenora.C. You are free to edit that article as you see fit, as long as your edits comply with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. Be sure that your edits reflect the established consensus, or seek to establish a new consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 03:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

The message got through. Thank you Elenora.C (talk) 03:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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