User talk:Casliber/Archive 43

Welcome to the 2014 WikiCup!

Hello Casliber, and welcome to the 2014 WikiCup! Your submission page can be found here. The competition will begin at midnight tonight (UTC). There have been a few small changes from last year; the rules can be read in full at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring, and the page also includes a summary of changes. One important rule to remember is that only content on which you have completed significant work, and nominated, in 2014 is eligible for points in the competition- the judges will be checking! As ever, this year's competition includes some younger editors. If you are a younger editor, you are certainly welcome, but we have written an advice page at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Advice for younger editors for you. Please do take a look. Any questions should be directed to one of the judges, or left on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will make it to round 2. Good luck! J Milburn (talk · contribs), The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 17:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year Casliber!

	Happy New Year!
	Hello Casliber: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 09:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2014}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thx - happy NY to you too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleted user

Re: User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875. I came across this administrator's account which has been deleted, presumably by the administrator moving their account to a different user name and deleting their own account. The user has a long contribution history. Surely, everyone should still be able to see the user's talk page including the archives and full edit history especially as the editor was an administrator. I think that administrator rights have been removed from this editor, but I am not certain. The edit summary of this file-move edit and many more show that the user was called User:KimvdLinde (User talk:KimvdLinde). Presumably, the user page and talk page should be moved back to the old name and restored. I came across a similar situation a few years ago when an administrator retired from the Wiki and deleted his account and subsequently his user page and user talk page were restored. I am not sure where to ask about this new case. Any suggestions? Snowman (talk) 15:13, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I have also asked User Anthony Appleyard, because it might need an edit history merge. Snowman (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Difficult situation - she is very knowledgeable about parrots and taxonomy/cladistics in general so ultimately I would be hoping that anything we can do to encourage her to come back is a good thing and anything that discourages her is a bad thing. I am not sure how she would feel about history merges. Right now the top priority would be maybe to encourage her by improving another parrot article, maybe parrot. I am friends with her elsewhere so can get in contact easily - I will ask her if she feels the taxonomy of parrots are settled enough to make it worthwhile working on the article for GA/FA status. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

That may be true, but it does not help with the issue of returning her moved and deleted user pages, which are important for the Wiki, even now that she has retired from editing. I think that this is especially important because she was an administrator and I think that the discussions that she had in her role as an administrator should be returned with the rest of her archives. I read somewhere that user accounts are not deleted. I would like to find out more about this situation. Snowman (talk) 23:00, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:CSD#U1, which appears to say that user talk pages are not deleted. Snowman (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

• Of the pages that you mention:
  1. Talk:Animal models of depression has 3 edits, all with one discussion section "Why an orphan?", and no deleted edits.
  2. User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875 has one edit, and no deleted edits.
  3. User talk:KimvdLinde has 2 edits (16:04, 9 December 2013‎ and 22:09, 27 October 2013‎ by User:EdwardsBot, both less than 3000 bytes), and 38 deleted edits from 14:29, 29 February 2012 to 14:29, 29 February 2012 (size gradually increasing from 43 bytes to 15,119 bytes).
  • Do you want me to undelete User talk:KimvdLinde? And then move it to User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875? With or without the two edits by User:EdwardsBot? Or what?
  • Page User talk:KimvdLinde's page log lists these moves:-
  1. 15:48, 7 March 2013 Vanished user 19794758563875 deleted page User talk:KimvdLinde (RTV) (view/restore)
  2. 14:29, 29 February 2012 Vanished user 19794758563875 moved page User talk:KimvdLinde to User talk:KimvdLinde/Archive8 (Archiving last crap)
  3. 01:27, 11 January 2012 Vanished user 19794758563875 moved page User talk:KimvdLinde to User talk:KimvdLinde/Archive7 (Archiving)
  4. 01:37, 18 November 2011 Vanished user 19794758563875 moved page User talk:KimvdLinde to User talk:KimvdLinde/WPEditor (Long enough for the silliness)
  • User talk:KimvdLinde/Archive8 has 0 visible edits and 18 deleted edit.
  • User talk:KimvdLinde/Archive7 has 0 visible edits and 1161 deleted edits.
  • User talk:KimvdLinde/WPEditor has 0 visible edits and 1 deleted edit.
    • The "see deleted edits" feature for those three User talk:KimvdLinde/..... pages say in red type "User account "KimvdLinde" is not registered. If you wish to use "KimvdLinde" as your username, please make a request at Wikipedia:Changing username". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:30, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I think that the edits by User:EdwardsBot are not highly significant, but I think that they probably should be included for completion, and this was the history merge on User KimvLinde's talk page to the older edits that I mentioned. I linked "Talk:Animal models of depression" only because it showed in the edit summary that the actual editor was User KimvdLinde and I have not looked into the history of that article. I can not see the deleted files, but User KimvdLinde should have the talk page and talk page archives of a moderately busy editor somewhere. I would certainly request that User KimvdLinde Talk page and talk page archives are returned to their appropriate positions. It would be useful to see the User page also; however, if there are different guidelines on this for the user page and talk page, please let me know. I am not sure what has happened. Has her account been moved to "User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875I"? Where is User KimvdLinde's contribution history? I think that the vanished users contribution history needs moving back to KimvdLinde's account. I was not aware that User Casliber knows User KimvdLinde until I read the reply above. I suspect that it may be better if User Casliber did not deal with this.

Ok, am happy to keep out of this one. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• I have undeleted the 3 "User talk:KimvdLinde/..." pages listed above, and the deleted edits of User talk:KimvdLinde, so that people can see them. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
• Page User:Vanished user 19794758563875 has never existed. Page User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875 has one visible edit and no deleted edits and its log is blank. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• If you click "User contributions" in the list of Tools on the left side of the screen when on the users talk page then you seed a long list of edits for the vanished user Special:Contributions/Vanished_user_19794758563875. Some of the edit histories for this list are clearly by user KimvdLinde, because it lists her name with file moves. She might of only done a few edits with that account, but I think that she moved her entire contribution history from KimvdLinde to the vanished user account. In contrast User KimvdLinde has no edits; see Special:Contributions/KimvdLinde, but she was a moderately busy user. The edits on a users talk page is a different list to the users contribution history. Do you see the problem? Snowman (talk) 14:09, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Page Red-breasted parakeet's edit history includes an edit

  13:23, 6 March 2013‎ Vanished user 19794758563875 . . (KimvdLinde moved page Red-breasted parakeet to Red-breasted Parakeet over redirect: Per WP:BIRD naming and consistency with 10,000 plus bird articles.)

  It seems that one of:-

  1. She edited under the username "Vanished user 19794758563875" and edited the edit comment to change the username in it.
  2. If there is a way to change a user's username, that also changes occurrences of that username in edit comments.
  • There seems to be no such registered user as User:KimvdLinde, but was there ever such a user? Special:Contributions/KimvdLinde lists nothing.
  • Do you want me to move all User:KimvdLinde/--- pages to User:Vanished_user_19794758563875/---- ? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:03, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:03, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
• There was a user called KimvdLinde and she was an administrator, so perhaps you can trace her from old lists of administrators. You can see some of her signed edits on many archived talk pages including this one Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/Archive 43, with a simple search for "Kim" on the page. Back then she singed as "[[User:KimvdLinde|Kim van der Linde]] ^{[[User talk:KimvdLinde|at venus]]}" (note the piped link to User:KimvdLinde). I think that she moved her entire contribution history to the vanished user's account, so it all needs moving back to User:KimvdLinde's account. If you can trace when exactly the contribution history was moved, then it might be reasonable to leave a few recent contributions with the vanished users account, because they were made with that account. My assumption is that the vanished user's account is a second account belonging to User KimvdLinde, and if this is correct then the vanished user's account can be marked as a sock-puppet account or equivalent. I guess that a few of the most recent edits were done with the vanished user's account, but I am not certain. At one time, her user page at "User KimvdLinde" resembled a Wiki article and had an infobox as well. The infobox showed a picture of a woman holding something that looked like a sword. I recall informing her on her user talk page that having a User page that resembled a Wiki article was against the Wiki guidelines. Snowman (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
• There is more in this diff, where is appears that the vanished user appears to have signed as User KimvdLinde. There are also edit summaries which show this, so I think that I have conclusively proven that the contribution history that belonged to the account at User KimvdLinde was moved to the vanished user's account. Snowman (talk) 18:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
• A user's username can be changed: see Wikipedia:Changing username, but it needs Wikipedia:Bureaucrats status to do it. It could be that user KimvdLinde was renamed to Vanished_user_19794758563875 while remaining the same user, and if so, KimvdLinde's talk page and its subpages should be moved to Vanished_user_19794758563875 . Likely, if user X edits page Y, the resulting edit record in Y's edit history says that X did the edit, by a pointer pointing to X's entry in a list of users; and likely in some other places where it is recorded who did what. After user X is renamed as Z, any attempt to list page Y's edit history would show Z and not X as having made the edit in question. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
• The first section in this edit of User talk:KimvdLinde dated 16:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC) says that KimvdLinde retired from Wikipedia, and after that presumably her username was changed to a "Vanished user ..." name. It could be that, as she left Wikipedia by retiring and not by being barred, so her user and user talk pages were left where they were instead of being renamed with her new "Vanished user ..." username, and should be left where they are. Best ask a Bureaucrat here about what to do. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
• Acting on advice in Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#A query about a "vanished user" I have moved KimvdLinde's talk page (and its archives) to Vanished user 19794758563875, where I have re-deleted then, as it was KimvdLinde's wish for her talk page to be deleted and for her "right to vanish" when she retired. See Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for finding out about all that. I have not heard of a vanished user before. I plan to read about it and then perhaps comment about it again. Snowman (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for TU Muscae

The DYK project (nominate) 21:18, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

	Happy New Year, 2014
	From Amandajm (talk) 09:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC) On New Year's Day, 600 years ago, Giovanni Bellini began work on a rather large "Dejeuner sur l'herbe" but having set up the models and commenced the painting, he soon found that he was in no fit state to continue it. At this point Titian stepped in. That's him on the extreme left. Bellini is sleeping it off under a bush.

Request PR?

Hey Casliber! Can I request for a peer review on Football in the Philippines article? I have expanded and added references because I want it to at least to GA status. Any suggestions are welcome and there is no rush, if you have some free time you can take look about it. Cheers! FairyTailRocks (talk) 04:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

ok. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I've made some changes in the article, are there more tweaks needed for it? Thanks! FairyTailRocks (talk) 15:00, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

All systems go?

Hi Cas, Happy New Year! Do you think St James' is right to go now? Whiteghost.ink (talk) 09:30, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for V603 Aquilae

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

		Bringing you warm wishes for the New Year!
		May you and yours enjoy a healthful, happy and productive 2014! I have been remiss lately in thanking you for everything you do, so thank you!!! And remember, it's piña! Warm regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:35, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I know it's piña...but i was too lazy to find the character 'n' with the thingumyjig on it..Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Touching base

Hi there Cas-- Just touching base about getting Babe Ruth to featured article. I've been talking to User:Secret on IRC about it, and he said he's been pretty busy so he probably won't be able to work on it for at least a few weeks. He said you're busy too, and I totally understand that. I just wanna know a few things:

• what specifically should I be working on? Just improving the article in general? Any specific sections that need moar work than others?
• I got the book The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth by Leigh Montville. I might be able to get Babe: The Legend Comes to Life by Robert Creamer, and possibly other Ruth books, if needed.
• Should I create a userpage dedicated to our progress/work/notes? Or should we just do it on Ruth's talk page? Or are we just going to make all of our edits live without drafting?

I think that's it-- thanks, I'm really looking forward to working with you and Secret :) --Newyorkadam (talk) 03:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

NYA, I think you got confused with Wehwalt :). That's ok Secret ^account 03:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow this is awkward. Ehh thanks :) I had you on my mind because of the stub contest haha -Newyorkadam (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Don't make a subpage, just do it on the article proper. I can't imagine it gets so much traffic you'd get lost in diffs....I'll take a look. See the FA recipe on my userpage. Do all content first, as comprehensive as possible, then copyedit. And bingo. If stuck along the way, ask for another set of eyes. I'm not too familiar with Babe Ruth, so won't have too much to add re comprehensiveness. Just read the book and stick what you think needs to be in it and then I'll be happy to take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Help with DYK

I wouldn't normally have jumped the queue like this, especially not since I'm the one who nominated it, but it was reviewed and approved by other people, and it is very time-sensitive, and I am nearly collapsing from how tired I am and the instructions for how to continue with the various minutiae of updating the queue and so forth are starting to blur for me so I'm going to ask you, please, if you can finish with the procedure of updating the queue for me please so that this goes onto the main page in the update at 11 AM Eastern time on January 11 2014 please and thank you I'm also going to ask some of the other admins who work on the DYK area also and I am so tired thank you in advance. DS (talk) 06:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok - if it is in the right place should be fine. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:55, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Range maps?

I noticed you made the Thopha saccata range map. Is it really involved work to make one of those? If it's not, would you be interested in doing one for Japanese serow? I'm hoping to polish the article off and send it to FAC sometime this year. There are some range maps online, but I have no idea how one would even getting started making one, and a request at the Graphics Lab went without response. Curly Turkey (gobble) 08:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

It isn't hard - happy to try - do you have a RS with a rangemap I can copy? Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:00, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I confused myself. The maps are for designated protected areas rather than ranges (I hope that's not an important difference). There's a map here. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

There's a range map here. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:30, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Whoa - looks fiddly but doable - 3 colours (current & proposed protected areas, and last one for range outside these. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, if you're up to it, or know somebody else who might be, it'd be much appreciated. I won't have the article ready for FAC very soon anyways, so there's no rush. Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

I am up for it, but need to clear some other stuff out of the way, so maybe later next week? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

(missed this response) I probably won't bring the article to FAC for months yet, so don't feel the need to rush. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Musca

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Well, since you're on a roll

... Celibacy syndrome. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement

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FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Perseus (constellation) and Hydrus to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 10:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Cool! I hadn't noticed the requests now cover the whole 12 months. Articles I've buffed either don't have anniversaries or have obscure dates I only realise at the wrong time (6 months too early or too late)...have to find some....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:43, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

TFA

Just a heads-up: I nommed Perseus (constellation) for TFA on the page. StringTheory11 (t • c) 03:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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Perseus is a constellation in the northern sky named after the Greek mythological hero Perseus. It was one of 48 listed by the 2nd-century astronomer Ptolemy and is among the 88 modern constellations defined by the International Astronomical Union. It is located in the northern celestial hemisphere near several other constellations named after legends surrounding Perseus, including Andromeda and Cassiopeia. The galactic plane of the Milky Way passes through Perseus but is mostly obscured by molecular clouds. The constellation's brightest star is the yellow-white supergiant Alpha Persei, which shines at magnitude 1.79. It and many surrounding stars are members of the Alpha Persei Cluster. The best-known star is Algol, an eclipsing binary linked with ominous legends because of its variability, which is noticeable to the naked eye. Other notable features in Perseus include X Persei (a binary system containing a neutron star), GK Persei (a nova that peaked at magnitude 0.2 in 1901), the Double Cluster (comprised of two open clusters near each other in the sky), and the Perseus Cluster (a massive galaxy cluster). Perseus also hosts the radiant of the annual Perseids meteor shower. (Full article...)

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Glasser's choice theory

Could use some work if you're interested. Someone not using his real name (talk) 09:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

ok – will take a look soonish....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Lyman-alpha blob 1

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Pi1 Gruis

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Bill May (synchronized swimmer)

Can you reduce protection to PC1? The vandal was blocked as sockpuppet. The article was previously nominated for deletion by sole creator of the article, but AFD result into "keep". It has never been edited for a long time. --George Ho (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

ok done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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Page move

Can you take a look at Self-Portrait at 28. Rash pg move my me, now regretted; Aus admin superpowers needed to make it all go away. Ceoil (talk) 03:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting that out. Ceoil (talk) 18:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Perseus (constellation)

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Perseus is a constellation in the northern sky named after the Greek mythological hero Perseus. It was one of 48 listed by the 2nd-century astronomer Ptolemy and is among the 88 modern constellations defined by the International Astronomical Union. It is located in the northern celestial hemisphere near several other constellations named after legends surrounding Perseus, including Andromeda and Cassiopeia. The galactic plane of the Milky Way passes through Perseus but is mostly obscured by molecular clouds. The constellation's brightest star is the yellow-white supergiant Alpha Persei, which shines at magnitude 1.79. It and many surrounding stars are members of the Alpha Persei Cluster. The best-known star is Algol, an eclipsing binary linked with ominous legends because of its variability, which is noticeable to the naked eye. Other notable features in Perseus include X Persei (a binary system containing a neutron star), GK Persei (a nova that peaked at magnitude 0.2 in 1901), the Double Cluster (comprised of two open clusters near each other in the sky), and the Perseus Cluster (a massive galaxy cluster). Perseus also hosts the radiant of the annual Perseids meteor shower. (Full article...)

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DYK for BX Circini

Looks good. Thanks for helping with the DYK project Victuallers (talk)) 00:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement

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Article history mess

Hi Cas - Due to some moving about of sandboxes, there is currently a mess in the history of French ironclad Trident that includes the history/development of several other articles. Do you know if this something that should be addressed, and if so, how? In other matters, I'm happy to see that another edition of the Core Contest is moving forward - I think the reviving of that contest is one of the best things that's happened around here in a while. Thanks in advance on the initial question, Dana boomer (talk) 15:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't do alot of that....let me see.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Tyop Contest!

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DYK for Dipodium variegatum

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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WikiCup 2014 January newsletter

The 2014 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with, at time of writing, 138 participants. The is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2010. If you are yet to join the competition, don't worry- the judges have agreed to keep the signups open for a few more days. By a wide margin, our current leader is newcomer Godot13 (submissions), whose set of 14 featured pictures, the first FPs of the competition, was worth 490 points. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:

• 12george1 (submissions) and TropicalAnalystwx13 (submissions) were the first people to score, for the good article Tropical Storm Bret (1981) and its good article review respectively. 12george1 was also the first person to score in 2012 and 2013.
• Sven Manguard (submissions) scored the first ITN points for 2014 North American polar vortex.
• WonderBoy1998 (submissions) scored points for an early good topic, finishing off Wikipedia:Featured topics/She Wolf.
• TheAustinMan (submissions) scored the first bonus points of the competition, for his work on Typhoon Vera.
• Igordebraga (submissions) has scored the highest number of bonus points for a single article, for the high-importance Jurassic Park (film).

Featured articles, featured lists, featured topics and featured portals are yet to play a part in the competition. The judges have removed a number of submissions which were deemed ineligible. Typically, we aim to see work on a project, followed by a nomination, followed by promotion, this year. We apologise for any disappointment caused by our strict enforcement this year; we're aiming to keep the competition as fair as possible.

Wikipedians interested in friendly competition may be interested to take part in The Core Contest; unlike the WikiCup, The Core Contest is not about audited content, but, like the WikiCup, it is about article improvement; specifically, The Core Contest is about contribution to some of Wikipedia's most important article. Of course, any work done for The Core Contest, if it leads to a DYK, GA or FA, can earn WikiCup points.

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Sydney Meetup on Monday evening

There's a Meetup in Sydney on Monday (tomorrow) evening from 5:30pm at the Paragon Hotel Circular Quay. We even have an international guest. See the meetup page for more details and to sign up. Sorry for the late notice - I hope you can make it. --99of9 (talk) 05:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Aargh - not hopeful but will see....extremely awkward timing.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, poorly advertised on my part, sorry. --99of9 (talk) 07:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Victoria Hotel (Toodyay)

Cas Liber, the issues you raised in your review of this DYK nomination appear to have been addressed. Can you stop by and take another look, or should I put out a call for a new reviewer? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Theta Tucanae

Hello! Your submission of Theta Tucanae at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Listing Typos

Hi there, you don't need to list typos :) I have a semi-automatic way to do that!! -Newyorkadam (talk) 19:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam
P.S. Please add something like 'typo' or 'fix typo' or something else to your edit summaries when you correct typos, because I use a search tool that finds every time you wrote 'typo' (or something else) in your edit summary. Everything you've done so far counts, but in the future please add something to your edit summary, it makes my and the other judge's job easier :) Thanks!

This week's article for improvement (week 6, 2014)

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Core contest - blog post?

Hi there. I wanted to drop you a line to thank you for being a part of the team working on the core contest this year. The contest is something that it would be excellent to publicise on the Wikimedia UK blog. Would you be interested in helping to put something together for publication there? Please do let me know. Thank you Stevie Benton (WMUK) (talk) 14:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Have a look at te top of the Wikipedia:The Core Contest page as you could cut and paste some info from there straightaway to get something concise and zippy. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Very helpful, I shall do that. Will drop you a note when something is published next week. Many thanks! Stevie Benton (WMUK) (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Upsilon Orionis

Hello! Your submission of Upsilon Orionis at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Please see new note on DYK nomination page. Yoninah (talk) 13:30, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Sir Ralph

After my most stimulating and comprehensive PR ever, I have Ralph Richardson up at FAC. If you have time and inclination to look in, it will be esteemed a favour. – Tim riley (talk) 21:42, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Upsilon Orionis

Materialscientist (talk) 10:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Kiruv Organisation

You semiprotected the page, but to be honest, I don't think it's needed at the moment or at the time. If you look at the edit history, I warned the main newcomer editors at around 13.00 6 Feb, and blocked for 24 hours one IP editor who persisted, and a single BLP edit at 17.41, and the edit war pretty much totally died down around then, there were only constructive edits between then and now, a change of user conduct by all participants, given the previous editing.

It could flare up again and protection be needed, but right now I'm not sure that's the situation. Can you consider whether to let protection lapse unless the edit war resumes? Leave it to you. Thanks. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 03:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think I'd rather everyone got accounts and was accountable. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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Woozle effect

Your opinion on it would be appreciated. It's at AfD + ANI drama. Someone not using his real name (talk) 04:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

By the way, if you know anything about, or are willing to research this, please create Donald Dutton, his most cited book has 752 citations in GS, so I think he qualified per WP:PROF. Someone not using his real name (talk) 05:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Overcoming/replacing the Duluth model seems to be his main line of research. Someone not using his real name (talk) 05:25, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow, never heard of all these before. Interesting....Woozle effect is a good name - funny as I was musing on this phenomenon about misrepresenting sources just as these recently but had not seen the name. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 7, 2014)

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GTG

Cas, I take it you meant to put a tick here but forgot? Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 04:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

yes indeed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: report about the Stub Contest

Re: Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-01-29/WikiProject_report. I expect that you have already seen this report in the Signpost. I read it with interest. I would think that some of the comments in the "Quality or quantity?" section needs a serious response. As the organiser of the contest were you asked to contribute to the report? I personally am not aware of re-rating anything that did not need re-rating. Do you think that this report has a tenancy to belittle the Stub contest, including the judges and the competitors? What about publishing the judges view of the Stub contest in "Signpost" and explain the judging and what benefits the contest brought to the Wiki including the benefits of re-rating articles? I personally did not find the contest stressful and enjoyed finding novel ways of getting the tasks done more quickly. I think that the judges could have been more decisive about applying some of the basic rules when it came to doing the scoring after the end of the competition, and that I think that the judges could have had more of a presences when the competitors were discussing the scores amongst themselves, perhaps by actively asking for a consensus about the grey areas of the scoring. I now have some scripts (or tools) that I developed for the competition that I can develop further and put to a variety of uses. This is only a brief summary of my impression of the contest, so please let my know if you are puzzled by anything. Snowman (talk) 12:32, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I had not seen that report before you alerted me to it (thankyou for doing that!). I do not think the article in and of itself is critical, and I was aware of Sven Manguard's criticism of how the stub contest evolved beforehand. I agree with the points you've made about rerating. Think that well over 99.9% of the rerating was perfectly valid and that it was/is helpful to define the scope of wikipedia article quality if we can review and rerate that many articles. I will reply there and at the Stub contest page soon. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:51, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

If I was writing about the Contest, I would have asked all the judges and at least one person that won a prize for their views, and attempted to write a balanced report. For me, the Contest prompted me to stumble upon and develop some "black-box" techniques that I almost certainly would not have discovered or been motivated to develop if it was not for the contest. The script that I wrote for writing the IUCN citations on bird species articles is about 10 times more complicated than anything I wrote for the Contest, but the contest opened up a new horizon. In partial explanation, I sometimes seem to write riddles about black-box scripts, probably because most people would not easily understand regexes, hash arrays, and so on. If you plan to quote any of my views about the contest, please let me see a preview, so that I can ensure that there have not been any misunderstandings. Snowman (talk) 13:36, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Snowman you are welcome to post over there in the 'comments' section too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I have read the article a few times and I see it in a better light now. I have made two comments over there. Snowman (talk) 22:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, I am not a fan of probably the most well known contest, the WikiCup, partly because I have noticed that some of the most highly praised and top-scoring GA articles last year explained some technical issues very poorly with multiple mistakes, which could have been ironed out by a proper peer review or by inquiries at relevant WikiProjects prior to GA rather then been found too late at FA. As a courtesy, I also think that the WikiCup should recognise some of the other people involved in creating GAs and FAs and not just the contestants in the WikiCup; however, most editors and reviewers are probably only motivated by contributing to the creation of decent articles or the organisation of the Wiki. I have made relevant comments on the WikiCup talk page. Having said that, I have a fascination for the WikiCup and tend to follow it. Snowman (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

But the GA issue you mention is more of an issue with GA itself and the fact that it has a single reviewer - I doubt it was any worse for the wikicup than GA in general. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

spider

Out of curiosity, do you plan on working on individual spider species or Mygalomorphae? LittleJerry (talk) 21:11, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I will be looking at books for mygalomorphs when I get a chance to go to the library. I can also re-borrow a book for the Sydney funnel-web from my hospital library but that is only for three weeks at a time and I want to clear some stuff so I can devote some time to focussing on it. Still not sure which I will do first but will keep you posted. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:19, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

AG Pegasi

Certainly a unique object. You definitely need to search out the most recent papers on this, because it no longer shows a WR spectrum and understanding of the system has improved dramatically in the last 20 years. It is now considered an extreme symbiotic system, aka slow nova. The WR phase is an expected spectral appearance for shrinking and heating degenerate objects, quite common in planetary nebula central stars. The AG Pegasi hot component is now treated as a white dwarf although an extremely hot one at this point, and the spectrum has gone beyond WR into hot sub-dwarf stage. The WR appearance (copious high ionisation emission) was due in large part to the expanding shock fronts rather than the star itself, although the distinction between an intense hot wind and an expanding nebular shock is a fine one. The Wolf Rayet page probably should say more about planetary nebulae central stars (there may be more of them than the big flashy WR stars), but I don't know a lot about them. Lithopsian (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes - cool aren't they? Will update and see what is best to put in spectral type....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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Persoonia lanceolata, commonly known as lance-leaf geebung, is a shrub native to New South Wales in eastern Australia. It reaches 3 m (9.8 ft) in height and has smooth grey bark and bright green foliage. Its small yellow flowers grow on racemes and appear in the austral summer and autumn (January to April), followed by green fleshy fruit (known as drupes) which ripen the following spring (September to October). Within the genus Persoonia, Persoonia lanceolata belongs to the lanceolata group of 58 closely related species. It interbreeds with several other species found in its range. The species is usually found in dry sclerophyll forest on sandstone-based nutrient-deficient soil. It has adapted to a fire-prone environment; plants lost in bushfires can regenerate through a ground-stored seed bank. Seedlings mostly germinate within two years of fires. Several species of native bee of the genus Leioproctus pollinate the flowers. Swamp wallabies are a main consumer of its fruit, and the seeds are spread in wallaby scat. Its lifespan ranges from 25 to 60 years, though difficulties in propagation have seen low cultivation rates. (Full article...)

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Your GA nomination of Musca

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Spinning Around FA Nomination

Hi Casliber. I just wanted to notify that the issues you pointed out on the FA nomination page of "Spinning Around" have been addressed. Could you please take another look and comment whether you are satisfied with the changes? Thanks. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 10:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

ok - there soon. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:12, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for AG Pegasi

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This week's article for improvement (week 8, 2014)

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DYK for RZ Gruis

The DYK project (nominate) 08:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Theta Tucanae

Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Grus (constellation)

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DYK for RR Caeli

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Your GA nomination of Grus (constellation)

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DYK for Musca

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Aleeta curvicosta, commonly called the floury baker or floury miller, is a species of cicada native to the eastern coastline of Australia. Described in 1834 by Ernst Friedrich Germar, it is currently the only described species in the genus Aleeta. The floury baker's distinctive appearance and loud call make it popular with children. Both the common and genus name are derived from the white, flour-like filaments covering the adult body. Its body and eyes are generally brown with pale patterns. Its forewings have dark brown patches at the base of two of their apical cells. The female is larger than the male, and both grow larger in regions of higher rainfall. The male has a loud and complex call generated by the frequent buckling of ribbed tymbals and amplified by abdominal air sacs. The floury baker is solitary and occurs in low densities. Individuals emerge from the soil between November and February, and can be seen until May. They inhabit a variety of trees, with a preference for paperbark. The floury baker, which is a relatively poor flier, is preyed upon by cicada killer wasps and a wide variety of birds, and can succumb to a cicada-specific fungal disease. (Full article...)

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DYK for Magnolia x thompsoniana

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Banded Whiteface

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Bacon peer review

Hi there Cas, I saw you're listed under the 'Everyday life' section of peer review volunteers. Would you mind taking a look at Bacon's peer review? Thanks bud :) -Newyorkadam (talk) 06:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2014)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Machine elf

Might be of some interest to you. Someone not using his real name (talk) 07:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Ursa Major

How on earth did you find that page? I hadn't linked it anywhere because I decided I had to do a replacement first =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I looked at your contribs as you were editing constellation articles - let me know if you restore/upload any really nice images from celestial atlases. Am working on Canis Major presently and would like to get that to the main page....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:54, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Heh. Fair enough. The image is going up, by the way. If you look at User:Adam Cuerden you'll see my current work - I think Auriga and Andromeda - probably Aquarius as well, but I haven't done that one - are the best of the series from this book. Would like to do more, but, sadly, old astronomical books are the sort of thing every single successful astronomer seeks out, and thus rare and expensive. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 12:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Astronomy/Constellations_Task_Force#Audited_content for a list of constellations (now up to 14 FAs) that a few of us have buffed up. all nice images on them most welcome.......I have Musca at FAC if you find any cute celestial flies....but be careful as there was Musca Borealis and Musca Australis for a while.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Most of what I have was done for Americans or British, and thus does very much focus on the northern constellations. I can get you Musca Borealis no problem, But that's not the one that survived, so...

I wonder if any Australians made star maps? Must be some... I might know someone... Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 13:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's as Apis, but this is apparently the first star map to include the modern southern constellations: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/library/rare/BayerUran1661PiscisBot.jpg (Other half is here: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/library/rare/BayerUran1661PiscisTop.jpg ) - I'd suggest cropping that to include Chameleon, given that's the main reason Musca exists. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 13:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Yup, beating eaten by Chamaeleon...would that be an easy one to whiten (?) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Know what you mean, and sure. I'm pretty sure it's not really pink. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Omicron1 Canis Majoris

Orlady (talk) 19:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2014/Submissions/Casliber

Hi Cas- I'm afraid I've had to remove your FA. We've been coming down pretty hard this year on people who have nominated articles mostly written last year; we're really looking for work, then nomination, then promotion all this year. While you've certainly done some work this year, I fear that, to be fair, it can't be eligible for WikiCup points. Sorry! J Milburn (talk) 19:36, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Fair call - no worries. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:01, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Australian birds

Thanks to an industrious Flickr photographer, the Wiki has its first images of the Southern Whiteface and Banded Whiteface. Is there anything about it these species that would make interesting DYKs? Snowman (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, will look into it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Southern Whiteface is difficult as I can't immediately see anything interesting. I will be looking for interesting facts for White-fronted Chat, Spotted Pardalote (might be a bit ambitious), Red-browed Pardalote, Australian Crake, Green-tailed Sunbird, Mrs. Gould's Sunbird, Striated Thornbill or Australasian Darter Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Cerberus et Ramus

Should we have an article on this constellation? It's basically the branch Ramus Pomifer and Cerberus (constellation) combined into a new constellation where Hercules holds more than one thing. Not that either of the starter articles are that well written - surely the branch is the Golden Apples of the Hesperides?

Obsolete constellatiions are always a judgement call, of course. Take Mons Mænalus or Caput Medusæ: Asterisms in Boötes and Perseus, or distinct constellations? We go different ways for each. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess we can revisit the notability and find how many sources discuss them significantly....might have a nose around and see if anything can be written about them/it....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

It's funny, I was editing Cygnus (constellation) and was trying to write a bit on the Northern Cross (asterism) and it is interesting how little is written on some of them, even prominent ones. I was wondering about the Pointers (Alpha & Beta Centauri) - only two measley stars but there is quite a bit of aboriginal folklore about them...all interesting. I like some of these little weird ex-constellations and asterisms...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I'd guess a lot of it's perfectly accessible, but you need to go back a ways. Modern astronomical texts have abandoned even things like having the lines used to connect the figures resemble their mythological forms most of the time, so I'm not terribly surprised they ignore forms seen in the past. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 00:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Tucana

Hi, sorry for the delay. I finally took a look at Tucana, only to see it had already been promoted. One query: what is a casque? Can you provide a wikilink or something? I have added links for super-Earth and super-Jupiter. Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 22:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

The casque is the crest-like thing on top of the bill - see File:Anthracoceros marchei -Palawan-8.jpg for a good example. Will see what I can link to. Anyway, I now have Musca at FAC.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Really?? I was assuming it appeared with a small wine barrel! Definitely see what you can link to! BTW, at Grus (constellation), can you check the MOS for whether a comma should appear in 64000 if there's a comma in 100,000? Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I have linked to to the wiktionary definition for the time being until we do a bird anatomy article....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

got it...question is, if the 64,000 and 100,000 have commas...does the 3000 need one to to not look...funny. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

At my old work the convention was to use spaces not commas, and we only used spaces for five digits or more, so it may be sensible to have the comma likewise. But i thought maybe the MOS would provide a preferred style? hamiltonstone (talk) 23:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I went with Musca over Grus (constellation) to run at FAC next as I felt the latter didn't come together quite as nicely as the former..so am glad you've looked at that one - all input there appreciated Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for 2011 XC2

Orlady (talk) 06:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Article Utsuro-bune

Hello, Casliber. Could you please kee your eyes peeled on this article? One certain IP. has done some nonsense which I had to undo. He might be come back... Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

ok Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

thx. --Nephiliskos (talk) 20:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Piscis Australis

Well, I found an image for one relatively-Southerly constellation. Not a particularly amazing one. Still need to crop Chameleon/Musca, though that's never going to be an FP on its own. Maybe the whole image, given it's the FIRST, but... Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:43, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I started expanding Piscis Austrinus a time ago but writing about Fomalhaut is tricky as there is some question about it so put it on the eternal to-do list.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:48, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

The other thing that might be fun to look for is some historical botanical images...for instance I will buff Magnolia grandiflora one day to GA/FA...and there must be some nice historical artistic depictions of that one somewhere......Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:48, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Trouble with historical botanical images is that people seem so strongly to prefer a bad photograph to a good scientific drawing. They'll nitpick the drawing to death, or sometimes just delete it from an article without a reason. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:16, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, not if I have it in a good History section - and that plant has some decent history....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I should be able to access http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2004667937/ - would that be any use? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 05:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks interesting, if a bit unusual. Yeah, I think it will make a good counterfoil to lots of flower and tree shots. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Enid Blyton

Cas Liber, can you please expand on your review? This was far too terse; please specify what you checked. It's important for those who are considering what to promote, and need to know what was checked. Thanks. (It won't qualify as a QPQ as it is, but you may not care about that.) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 February newsletter

And so ends the most competitive first round we have ever seen, with 38 points required to qualify for round 2. Last year, 19 points secured a place; before that, 11 (2012) or 8 (2011) were enough. This is both a blessing and a curse. While it shows the vigourous good health of the competition, it also means that we have already lost many worthy competitors. Our top three scorers were:

1. Godot13 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer whose high-quality scans of rare banknotes represent an unusual, interesting and valuable contribution to Wikipedia. Most of Godot's points this round have come from a large set of pictures used in Treasury Note (1890–91).
2. Adam Cuerden (submissions), a WikiCup veteran and a finalist last year, Adam is also a featured picture specialist, focusing on the restoration of historical images. This month's promotions have included a carefully restored set of artist William Russell Flint's work.
3. WikiRedactor (submissions), another WikiCup newcomer. WikiRedactor has claimed points for good article reviews and good articles relating to pop music, many of which were awarded bonus points. Articles include Sky Ferreira, Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus and "Wrecking Ball" (Miley Cyrus song).

Other competitors of note include:

• Hahc21 (submissions), who helped take Thirty Flights of Loving through good article candidates and featured article candidates, claiming the first first featured article of the competition.
• Prism (submissions), who claimed the first featured list of the competition with Natalia Kills discography.
• Cwmhiraeth (submissions), who takes the title of the contributor awarded the highest bonus point multiplier (resulting in the highest scoring article) of the competition so far. Her high-importance salamander, now a good article, scored 108 points.

After such a competitive first round, expect the second round to also be fiercely fought. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2, but please do not update your submission page until March (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 00:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Tyop Contest Conclusion!

tyop typo

The Tyop Contest is over! Great job, everyone! Of the fourteen entrants, twelve fixed typos! The judges are very behind with the judging, but it will get done! Another note similar to this one will be sent out when the judging is complete to announce the winners. Check back again next January for the (hopeful) second running of the Tyop Contest, as this one went swell
Your judges, Jeffrd10 and Newyorkadam

This week's article for improvement (week 10, 2014)

Because it is so vast, there are a large number of different cultures involved in Prehistoric Asia Hello, Casliber. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Prehistoric Asia Previous selections: Human skeleton • Reconnaissance satellite Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 03:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC) •

DYK for Amanita ananiceps

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Expert help requested!

Where can I find MOS information about how to correctly use common names of species and subspecies? Example: Cutthroat trout is the common species overview name for that variety of trout....it's has numerous subspecies. I figured that when talking about the fish at the common name at the species level, it is NOT necessary to capitalize any letters unless it is at the beginning of a sentence...but then stumbled into the issue of Lake trout, a different species that should always have a capital letter for Lake to differentiate it from lake trout which could be construed to be any fish that are in a lake! So what say yea master of the universe....MONGO is a wee bit confused!--MONGO 18:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I looked over Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna) and saw a bit if the answer but still ambiguous. In the case mentioned above, should Cutthroat trout ever be referred to as cutthroat or cutthroats or is it best to stick with full common species name always?--MONGO 19:50, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Aaahhaaa, welcome to fun and games with names....see, birds (and I think butterflies) are the only critters with Proper Names, see things like the IOC website and this book....and are hence capitalised. Others...ummmm....just, weel, we just wing it really. Loads of fish have multiple names. In Oz some have different names in each state. Looks like the Australians are starting to get their shit together....

My take would be that abbreviation is okay as long as there is no ambiguity and meaning is not lost. Hence, exactness trumps accessibility but OTOH we try to make everything as accessible as possible. very situation is slightly different. I can see the problem with lake trout - might say lake-dwelling trout for those that are just trout species living in a lake. The context should mean that "cutthroats" are fine unless there is mention of freshwater pirates in the same paragraph....aarrrrrrrr.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Cutthroats do live along the coast and in estuaries so a valid argument could be made that they could be confused with freshwater pirates if we just called them "cutthroat"...it would probably be, as you allude, one of the silliest arguments possible, but this is Wikipedia after all. Lake trouts/lake-dwelling trout might have a third parameter and that might be that lake trout also inhabit streams...in which case they are no longer lake-dwelling lake trout but merely lake trout...what are we going to do!!!--MONGO 12:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

My head is spinning....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Mine too...but I'm just a MONGO so that should be no surprise.--MONGO 20:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you put on your admin hat?

I need an admin to review [[1]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

ok hang on Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:41, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

The discussions are a bit spread out [[2]] number 4-6 and found on [[3]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:51, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/delist/Ursa_Major

Hey, Cas! If you're happy with the replacement, could you possibly say so there? It's a little ambiguous at the moment. Cheers! Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Will comment there. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:05, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Queen Elizabeth Way

Cas Liber, could you please come and give this a full review, since you claimed QPQ credit for it? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Peer review

You kindly made comments at the PR for Ralph Richardson, and as I now have the John Gielgud article up for PR here, I wonder if you might have time and inclination to comment there. Tim riley (talk) 13:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

It'll be a pleasure. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:19, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Adam Cuerden/Urania's Mirror

Would you be interested in joining me in creating a DYK/GA on Urania's Mirror? I've found three good sources so far; I suspect more exist, and there's plenty to say about it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:05, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey

I don't much care if you think my comment was "off-topic" or "pointless".[4] I'll not restore it. But you have absolutely no right to remove it. Show me the bit of policy that you twisted into justifying the removal of my comment, please. Have a nice day. Doc talk 08:03, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

@Doc9871: The comment at its very best can be described as flippant - I'd also add ill-informed and veers squarely into item 2(a) at Wikipedia:Civility, where it could be construed as taunting or baiting. There was no need to toss it in there and see what came up. The correct response on that board should be to remove off-topic and inflammatory comments. Before readers are subjected to reams of rhetoric from all sides. I will remove comments like that if I see them again, regardless of who makes them. Anyone with maturity or decency would step away from it and move on. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:21, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I mostly remember you from the failure in dealing with Barong/White bellied Sea Eagle/et.al. And I know you remember me from that disaster. Leave removal of my comments to less biased admins. Cheers. Doc talk 02:17, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Ummm, I don't remember you from that - I think you might think you are more important or memorable than you actually are.....and, ummmmm, a word to the wise - removing inane comments was/is not an admin action. If I had blocked you then yes that'd be an admin action, but that would have been drama-mongering. I'd leave that to others if you really wanted to edit-war leaving such comments in. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I never said you were "involved" as far as admin actions. I am quite unimpressed by advice from an admin that willfully allowed blatant socking from a now banned user. Word to the wise, indeed. Doc talk 03:44, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

That situation was alot more complex than it appeared on the surface, and I was unimpressed and frustrated by the socking. I initially got hauled in at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions/Jack Merridew one year unban review/mentors page - note my comments were more guarded than others and I proposed keeping mentorship, much to the annoyance of some others, if you can be bothered reading reams of text. I didn't support the final ban but I didn't oppose it either as by that stage I was frankly exhausted by the whole thing and was of a mind that sabre-rattling would just provoke more vindictiveness on his part. Anyway, he and wikipedia seem to have parted ways now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Four-tuned Award

Slakr's Four-tuned Award For attaining an exceptionally large number of Four Awards, I hereby award you with this delicious fortune cookie. No doubt you'll be able to turn the fortune it contains into an article, get it featured on did you know, and then proceed not just to make it good, but also get it featured. "People will recognize your accomplishments," indeed. :P (lucky numbers: 4, 8, 22, π, 73, 843.73333) Keep up the great work. =) Cheers, --slakr\ talk / 10:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia email

Hello, Casliber. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

— fourthords | =Λ= | 18:43, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

It would assist matters greatly if I'd confirmed my email address with the software. I've sent a second email. My apologies. — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:00, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Did you get my email reply of 8 March (at 20:29 UTC)? I don't want to seem a nag, I just want to make sure you received it. — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah - haven't looked through it in detail yet. Doesn't look too dramatic. My original advice still holds I think. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't get your original advice; I think you probably replied to the initial wrong email address. Would you mind sending it again to the second email I sent you? Thanks for your time and attention to this, I'm sorry for nagging! — fourthords | =Λ= | 21:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Peer review request for Global F.C.

Hey! I saw you are one of the volunteers willing to help PR. Can I request to review the article above? I am going to nominate it as a good article, and I noticed that it has a possibility for having a GA promotion. Any suggestions for improving the article are welcome. Thanks and all the best! FairyTailRocks (talk) 12:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Aawww, I was just about to go to bed - listen, will take a look tomorrow (am in Sydney). cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:04, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration request motion passed

An Arbitration Clarification request motion passed. You contributed to the discussion (or are on the committee or a clerk)

The motion reads as follows:

• By way of clarification, the formal warning issued by Kevin Gorman was out of process and therefore has no effect. The provisions of WP:BLPBAN will be reviewed by the Arbitration Committee and where necessary updated.

For the Arbitration Committee, --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Banksia formosa

• you can find the most interesting of things in some of the most amazing of places. like this little gem serving time in a Gaol in ToodyayGnangarra 01:37, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Nice! A fine decorative use of a pressed specimen. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Urania's Mirror

Well, I've nominated it for GA. If ye want in on the Wikicup points, please add any additional material you see fit =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 02:03, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Happy to help out - I've hardly edited it (weekend was a disaster time-wise) so will not claim points. Was going to browse some obsolete constellations....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations once more

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Tucana to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 10:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry

Apologies. I have no idea how that happened. I was reading Wikipedia on the ipad at about that time (which I rarely do) so can only guess I pressed something inadvertently. Quite bizarre. Moondyne (talk) 13:19, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I figured something like that must have happened as I've done it myself on my smartphone several times now :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Alloxylon flammeum

This is a note to let the main editors of Alloxylon flammeum know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on March 22, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 22, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Alloxylon flammeum, commonly known as the Queensland tree waratah or red silky oak, is a medium-sized tree of the family Proteaceae found in the Queensland tropical rain forests. It has shiny green elliptical leaves up to 18 cm (7.2 in) long, and prominent orange-red inflorescences that appear from August to October, followed by rectangular woody seed pods that ripen in February and March. Juvenile plants have large (up to 25 cm (10 in) long) deeply lobed pinnate leaves. Previously known as Oreocallis wickhamii, the initial specimen turned out to be a different species to the one cultivated and hence a new scientific name was required. Described formally in 1991, A. flammeum was designated the type species of the genus Alloxylon. Alloxylon flammeum is a canopy or emergent tree of the Mabi rainforest community of north Queensland. It is readily adaptable to cultivation, and prefers a site with good drainage. The tree's terminal tubular flowers indicate that the species is pollinated by birds. It is listed nationally as vulnerable under the Australian Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 as most of its habitat has been cleared for agriculture and logging. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Tiger

I was thinking of bringing Tiger to GA. It seems to be in good shape, it just needs some fixing up and maybe an little more info. What do you think? I have no intention of doing it as an FAC. LittleJerry (talk) 03:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I have thought about it before but find it too depressing really. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:00, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, we can find someone else to fix up that part. Would you be able to leave suggestions on the talk page? LittleJerry (talk)

Happy to. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Howdy!

Howdy, Cas. Great to see you commenting on my problem group of OB/GYN related psychiatric articles. Thanks for taking a look. The topics are interesting to me and I would like to see them stay in some form, but they need to approached differently than the way they were written if they are going to stay as stand alone articles. I did a major trim of case studies and casual discussion that I found in them. Do you have time or interest in working on any of them? Sydney Poore/FloNight♥♥♥♥ 13:07, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

maybe....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I like your maybe! :-) Thanks so very much for getting the work started on these articles. I'll pitch in and help after I get a decent rewrite started on Eclampsia. Sydney Poore/FloNight♥♥♥♥ 20:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Humidicutis mavis

The DYK project (nominate) 01:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Review request

Hey, Casliber. Sorry to trouble you, but I'm having a tough time getting reviews lately, especially at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Are You Experienced/archive1. If you are at all inclined, perhaps you would consider taking a look. Cheers! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

ok. will try later today. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for QZ Carinae

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dysoxylum parasiticum

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Clarification needed

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Snowman (talk) 09:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, I should have been clearer. You have replied to a different point on the page than I expected. I wondered if you would clarify the comment of yours, that I have asked about with this edit that I made a little earlies today. Snowman (talk) 10:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Case notice heading missing

As a brand new ArbCom clerk, I checked to see that you notified the participants as part of your case requests. As you know, you did, however, one of the notices did not have a section heading, so appears as if it is part of the Indefinitely Blocked discussion, rather than a stand alone section.

While a small matter, one of the arbs requested that we notify this participant, so it was missed by this arb.

Would you be willing to add a section heading so it is clearer, or give me permission to do so? In either case, I also note that the wikilink [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Use of admin tools by AGK]] isn't working as a link, and should be Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Use of admin tools by AGK. If one change is made, it would be nice to make that one as well. --S Philbrick(Talk) 14:27, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Happy for you guys to format headers and tweak Ceoil's as you see fit. I am on and off the keyboard today - just ducked on right now but off for a while. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I've done so, thanks.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The link to my username above generated a ping, so I thought I'd mention here that including [ or ] in a wikilink will cause it to break. These disallowed characters have to be replaced with an escape character if the link is to work. For this reason, square brackets in any section title are best avoided wherever possible. (I think the convention at arbitration is actually to not link usernames in section headers, probably for the same reason.) AGK [•] 22:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cas, I worry that in being upset yesterday I may have swayed you, and seeing Ceoil dragged further through the mud wasn't what I would have wanted. Just thought I'd let you know. Anyway, I'm afraid some of my statements and my banter with him have boomeranged and so I'll retire officially and let you all get on with it. I've meant to tell you that monies won through the Core Contest went toward books used for both Ezra Pound and Early Netherlandish painting - so a good result. If I'd been more thick skinned might have been able to do more. Victoria (tk) 22:51, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Awww, glad the vouchers worked out well :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Obsolete Constellations

I just found an amazing source for articles on them: John Hill's Urania Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 22:55, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Cool! I was judt giving some feedback to core contest and will look at stub. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Urania's Mirror has gotten a wee bit less stubby. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)