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Free BlowjobsEdit

Now that I have your attention, how are you? Beam 03:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Dammit I really got excited for a second ;). I'm fine as usual, although a bit busier than I used to be. You? BalkanFever 03:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm ok. I'm going to be focusing on getting Mahatma Gandhi properly named. Beam 03:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Have fun with that. Hopefully I can get time to improve bits of Kosovo. BalkanFever 08:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:More trollingEdit

Hello, and thankyou for bringing this to my attention. Before I proceed with this, are you sure that this is the same person as someone I blocked before? Lradrama 19:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I thought I had come across this person before. The behavioural pattern is exactly the same, and a checkuser shows that this is a case of abusing multiple accounts. I have extended the range block - 6 months like the rest of them. Lradrama 10:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
That is rather that saying that the IP can still edit when blocked? :S Lradrama 19:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


I apologize for deleting that comment, it was rude of me to take a liberty of doing so; it might start a precedent. It is too late and too long to explain the snake-->terrorist notion but I can sum up all Serbian derogatory terms, "secessionist-terrorists", "muslim terrorists", "albanian terrorists", "kla terrorists", "uck terrorsits" and anything else + terrorists. A few other terms are Siptar, Shitpar, siptarski terroristi, etc. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 06:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Careful, BalkanFever is a well known terrorist. He once, and I'm not joking, terrified me. It was terrible. Beam 19:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you viewing my every action? I was referring to the Sharr mountains? LOL, i wanted to see if anyone would notice. Thanks for you reverting everything. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 22:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Not your actions, I stalk BalkanFever. Beam 23:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia naming dispute discussionEdit

User:Hellasforever has removed my section "Articles about Greek actions against Macedonia/Macedonians due to naming issue" in the discussion section of the Macedonia name issue. The section had many articles which should have been used in the Macedonia naming dispute article. Here are some of the articles:

Greek Paper shows Bush as Hitler and a Macedonian swastika (the same time the Greek swastika occurred - right before NATO)
Macedonians attacked in Greece
Another cowardly attack on Macedonians in Greece
Greek authorities continue to abuse ethnic Macedonians
Greece abuses Macedonians at the border, again
Greek MP asks for death penalty for Macedonians in Greece
Greek-Macedonian name dispute leads to ban on lamb meat
Macedonia Plane Barred from Greek Airspace
Macedonia to ask Greece for explanation on MAT
Greece bans financial transfers from, and to Macedonia
Greece outrages Macedonia with ban on presidential flight
UMD Taken Aback by Metropolitan Anthimos’ Threatening Statement (Top Greek bishop calls for war with Macedonia)
Another Greek metropolitan bishop states territorial claims for Macedonia
Greek media fumes over comments from MOC
Greece's comments of H.H. Stefan's statement in Rome intended for domestic political scene
Heated debate at the EU, Macedonian delegation not present
Protest letter sent to Nato over an incident

Either undo the edit User:Hellasforever did, or repost those, or read the articles and use them in the Macedonia naming dispute appropriately. Mactruth (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

To all stalkersEdit

I've been without internet for a few days, and it won't be back until next week. Right now I'm using a public computer, and so I'm not logged in. Hope all goes well in the Balkans (and everywhere else). BalkanFever. (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Oks, have a nice vacation :) --Laveol T 12:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Take it easy. (1 down, 1,999,999 to go ;) jk) 3rdAlcove (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Hehe thanks guys :). BalkanFever 11:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Ok, what was that about? "Probably cause you suck"? And why in the world did you need to say that? You might have only left it with a note - this is not a forum or something - why do you feel the need to add such things? --Laveol T 10:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a joke, and I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway. BalkanFever 10:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
You're pretty sure?? Are you sure you're BalkanFever and not someone else? --Laveol T 10:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I'm BalkanSickness. How did you know? btw continue the thing from FP's page here if you want BalkanFever 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure we've got anything else to say - I mean we're not linguists and we just need to cut the political stuff from the articles (both of the political craps) and that's it. Let's wait for Fut.Perf's opinion --Laveol T 12:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, and not falsify sources (I really, really, don't believe Schmeiger talks about Bulgarian). BTW the plural is crap (same goes for shit); it's not like Slavic :) BalkanFever 12:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Not true. Observe: "BalkanFever's intellect isn't worth two shits." See? Plural! Beam 12:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, yes, we have that, but one can't say "Beamathan should stop writing these shits", can they? BalkanFever 12:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
One could, but one would be an idiot to do so. So fine, as long as you admit I'm the man, we can agree. Agreed? Good. Beam 12:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, obviously. BalkanFever 07:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


I'd probably take 10 of youse guys over Dodona, any day. 3rdAlcove (talk) 11:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd take us too ;). Seriously, he sounds like he's 10. BalkanFever 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


Thank you, BalkanFever. Just a quick question, is the Selski speech article intended as a joke? --Iobyo (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I probably should have asked PMK1. Either way, I plan to make a lot of changes to that article. --Iobyo (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
He's on holiday, but go ahead, be bold. BalkanFever 14:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
This is my attempt at a rewrite with what I believe to be a much better title. Should I suggest a merge on the talk page or just go ahead and redirect the Selski speech article? --Iobyo (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks good. Personally, I would suggest "Vernacular Macedonian" as the title, since it can be written as well (as with Makedonska Iskra). All you have to do is replace the content of Selski speech with your rewrite, and then I'll move the article. BalkanFever 16:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The term vernacular is a little too broad. There aren't really any standardized Macedonian dialects, so words like ојме will only ever appear in speech (ignoring stylistics and such). If that word is characteristic of speakers of a certain dialect and if that dialect were to be standardized and codified into a literary one, одиме would be prescribed. So, they're actually two different things and why I choose to use the title Spoken Macedonian. --Iobyo (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll ask an admin friend to merge the history now. BalkanFever 16:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


Why must you call me Kosovo2008? As far goat milk vs cow milk, I do have a serious answer but I think you two are joking around so I won't answer till I find out the tone of the discussion. I'm also looking to change my username from Kosova2008 ---> Ari d'Kosova, any thoughts? Ari d'Kosova (talk) 20:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re. Article mergeEdit

Hello BalkanFever. I have merged the articles you requested. Respective histories merged too. I'm fine by the way, hope you're doing well. :-) Best regards, Húsönd 00:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Standard MacedonianEdit

It's a little complicated and your question deserves a detailed response so I'll get back to you soon. In my opinion, both articles should be kept though they do need a lot of work. For comparison, see Standard French and Standard Spanish. --Iobyo (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I've just noticed that I somehow copied the intro of Standard Macedonian from the Standard German article, so I'll need to fix that too. --Iobyo (talk) 03:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a similar case with the Macedonian language. Unfortunately, not much has been written about the spoken language even though we all speak of the разговорен јазик and книжевен јазик. --Iobyo (talk) 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you think we should use the term книжевен or литературен јазик? They are synonymous but the latter is a loanword (and also more frequently used). --Iobyo (talk) 08:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I think listing them both is much better too considering they're both widely used. It really comes down one's linguistic politics: книжевност (puristic) vs литература (loan). --Iobyo (talk) 09:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
That's an easy one: telephone! All jokes aside, the Czechs and Croats should be admired for their efforts to keep their language free from foreign influence. --Iobyo (talk) 09:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Shkupi KosovaEdit

Aegean Macedonia? You probably heard of Shkupi Kosova, it extends to Struga and the majority language (I am told) is Albanian. Politis (talk) 14:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

よう あれ あ ふcきんg いぢおt. BalkanFever 14:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
هَوِ يُو هَِرد ُف كُبرَ'س ديطك؟ يت ِختِندس دون تُ يُور سمَلل ينتِستينِ، مُثِرفوطكِر! Köbra Könverse 14:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
O RLY? And what does it do there? Fut.Perf. 14:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
It puts the lotion on the skin. BalkanFever 15:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

About anons creating pagesEdit

I'd thought it would be easier to reach you here, it's about this discussion. Is it an automated process, like, some wikipedia hits, lets say, 20k articles for example, and then it's no longer a "smaller" wikipedia. Anons then have no rights to create new articles. Or can admins control this somehow. We're kinda confused here. Or maybe we're just plain dumb. :S Future perfect, if you are reading this, maybe you know something. How can we stop anon users from creating new articles? ktnxbye Brainmachine (talk) 12:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Responded there. BalkanFever 13:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a setting you can change in a config file. See [1]. Fut.Perf. 13:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you believe that shit?Edit

I can't believe I got blocked. I'm probably going to have to kill myself, but first I seek revenge on those who have slighted me. Beam 19:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Good to know. BalkanFever
I'm glad you feel good now, pity you don't think I shall seek revenge against you. Beam 14:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/i report about youEdit

Notification of proceedings against you at the notice board. Beam 15:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :). BalkanFever 10:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
ჰეy. ი დონ'თ ქნოw იf yოუ'რე ინთენდინგ თო cომმენთ ონ თჰის cასე ორ ნოთ, ბუთ ა wორდ ოf ადვიcე: თრy ნოთ თო cომმენთ ნო მათთერ wჰათ, ალwაyს გეც მე ოუთ ოf თროუბლე ;) Yოურ ლაcქ ოf ინთერესთ wილლ მაქე თჰე ფროcეედინგ ჰარდერ fორ თჰე "ბად გუyს". Köbra Könverse 10:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
ქე გი ოსთავამ დო უთრე ი აქო თრება ქე რეჩამ ნეშთო. ისთო თაქა, ფოდობრო ე აქო ფიშუვამე მაქედონსქი, აქო სლუჩაჯნო ნექოჯ ზნაე და ჯა მენი აზბუქათა :). BalkanFever 10:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Provocative link that shows half of Greece occupied by FYROMEdit

Dear Balkinfever. You have a link on your user page A pretty good example that leads to an image of half of Greece under the control of FYROM (not to mention a few other nations in the region are completely engulfed). I shouldn't have to remind you that such images only confirm the accuracy of Greek complaints of active irredentism by some FYROM citizens which goes against the spirit of both US/UN resolutions that condemn such acts as "propaganda".
(please add colon ':' to end of url in address bar if link fails. For some reason Wikipedia doesn't like URLs that end in a colon)

By placing such links on your website you appear to be endorsing future human rights atrocities and ethnic cleansing against 2.5 million people in Greece that identify as "Macedonian" (Greek ones) but aren't ethnically slavic nor remotely relate to FYROM. (much like citizens in FYROM before the break up of Yugoslavia identified both as "Yugoslavian" and "Macedonian")

I believe Wikipedia guidelines of proper conduct are incompatible with such images and ask that your link be immediately removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop trolling him, now. Beam 00:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not "trolling". I think it is very offensive and inappropriate to offend millions of Greeks in the manner he has. Suppose if someone had images of half your country being occupied by another... and showed every sign of working to that goal? I doubt you would find it particularly funny.

I would recommend YOU stop trolling and let BalkanFever either justify it why it is appropriate... or remove it. If it is not removed within 72 hours I will make a formal complaint to Wikipedia's editorial board. (talk) 03:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I look forward to your report. I'd recommend not wasting your time, and just stop now. Beam 03:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed you have an ongoing relationship with BalkanFever. I just pulled this from your user page.
I, BalkanFever, award you the Barnstar of Good Humor, for your constant hilarity on my talk page. Keep it up! BalkanFever
Do you think it possible this conflict of interest may have created a bias in your NPOV? The reason why I suggest this is instead of spending a minute to review my issue... you ignored it completely and harassed me (twice) to basically get lost.... on someone else's talk page? (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Gia sou, whoever you are. This is a massive misunderstanding, and I must say on your part. The map in question is showing the fact that irredentist ideals in the Balkans overlap. If you look at the light blue line, it shows a "Greater Greece", which includes Cyprus, European Turkey, and parts of Albania, Bulgaria, and the Republic of Macedonia.

The red line shows "Greater Serbia", the brown line "Greater Bulgaria" and so on. The point of the map, which is published by an expert neutral, reliable, verifiable source, is to make you think "What if all nationalist desires in the Balkans could be fulfilled?". The point is that they cannot, because irredentism overlaps. Balkan people, when in large nationalist groups, are, for want of a less offensive word, idiots. It's like a sickness (or fever, hence my username). That being said, I have many Balkan friends (I myself am, obviously, from the Balkans), even Greeks. Most of those Greeks even call me a simple "Macedonian" and my country "Macedonia". It's probably because they don't care about a petty dispute. BalkanFever 10:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow...I was already explaining it. I had it all under control, and then YOU edit conflict me. Thanks. Beam 10:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Well thank you, for understanding the (obvious) point of the map. But the troll wasn't going to listen to you, no matter what you said. On an aside, one of the symptoms of Balkan Fever is excessive use of five-letter acronyms. BalkanFever 10:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, since you EC'd me, I'm changing my recommendation to community ban at the ANi. Beam 10:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, this must be the revenge you were talking about! What a fool I've been. BalkanFever 10:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent)lol, you're an asshole rivaling my own assholeness. I saw where you told an anon user "probably cause you suck" and then an (admin?) editor asked you about, lol, you really respond by saying "I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway." When I was reading the ANi report I fucking almost choked on my coffee. Beam 10:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I try. Laveol is a big sack o' fun. He's too serious sometimes, and he overreacts to some things (usually my jokes). Some of the guys you've met take things too seriously as well, no? BalkanFever 11:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Shit man, I got admins so far up my ass I have to eat two bowls of cereal for breakfast or I'd be hungry the whole morning. And then the next admin comes along, and sees all these "blocks" and says to himself "i'm going to get me some of that" and bam I got another bullshit block. I don't even get the decency of an ANi where people can badmouth me publicly, you're so lucky for even that. Beam 11:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(EC) Sigh. The map shows the ambitions of the factions of the Balkans. One time ambitions, former ambitions, or current ambitions. He's explaining the meaning of his user name: "BalkanFever." As in CabinFever happens when your stuck inside for a period of time, BalkanFever happens when your in the Balkans or interested in them for a time: considering everyone there has aspirations of empire. He never once endorses one side over the other in that map. And I thought this was obvious, or I wouldn't call you a troll and laugh it off. Beam 10:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear Balkanfever, I'm not sure if I'm adding these comments in the correct location. I am new to Wikipedia so please bear with me as I better learn Wikipedia's methods.

Unfortunate your map shows the entire northern area of Greece as occupied by something called "greater macedonia". In addition your handle is "balkanfever", you show a considerable bias against Greek Macedonians with your user page news article listings (several which are inaccurate sensationalist titles from FYROM news sources), you did prior mass edits against the naming issue article without offering justifications for each... and now you expect me to take you seriously that your intent isn't occupation of Macedonia Greece, usurpation of Macedonian Greek heritage, and to direct propaganda/hate at Greeks? Consider what happened in the US when a vodka company company simply produced this ad.

I'm sorry. I reject your claim of innocence and point you back to the a couple of clauses in a recent US Senate resolution condemning acts of propaganda against Greece by FYROM. (signed by Senator Obama I might add)

"Whereas a television report in recent years showed students in a state-run school in FYROM still being taught that parts of Greece, including Greek Macedonia, are rightfully part of FYROM"

Whereas, on September 13, 1995, Greece and FYROM signed a United Nations-brokered Interim Accord that, among other things, commits them to not `support claims to any part of the territory of the other party or claims for a change of their existing frontiers';

Whereas the aforementioned acts constitute a breach of FYROM's international obligations deriving from the spirit of the United Nations Interim Accord, which provide that FYROM should abstain from any form of `propaganda' against Greece's historical or cultural heritage; (Note: If the above link doesn't work please manually add a colon ":" to end of address bar)

Unless you have further points to make Balkanfever... please remove your highly offensive link within 48 hours or I will take the issue up with the Wikipeida's editorial board (as well as your general pattern of anti-Greek Macedonian behavior). (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

If you can't also see the "Greater Greece" in the map, then something is seriously wrong with you. I reject your claim of intelligence and/or seriousness and will kindly tell you to leave me alone. Funny how you claim to support the "interim accord", yet it states that Greece should not veto the Republic of Macedonia's entrance into international organisations. You are a hypocrite (that's a Greek word, so I know you understand it). There is nothing more to say. Go away. BalkanFever 23:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I forgot to answer to your request earlier. The 209.* anon (who is User:Crossthets) has been warned off and will hopefully keep out now. We don't usually semi-protect talk pages without some rather serious reason. You think it'll be okay now? Cheers, --Fut.Perf. 13:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah it should be fine. BalkanFever 07:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

God Damn it, there's another ANi about you!Edit

Here it is you fool. Stop harassing and conspiring against people! Beam 01:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, my propaganda seems to pissing a few people off. Oh well. BalkanFucker 07:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


You probably misunderstood my comment. Some more info from the survey by Vidoeski in Koneski's book, would probably settle this map issue and provide additional information on Macedonian dialectology. I am sure that FP's version of the Vidoeski map, is as accurate as it can get--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, Macedonian dialectology is not the most discussed subject, as you can gather. Unsurprisingly, the majority of linguists interested are the ones from the Republic of Macedonia, and not Greeks (too much politics, you know how it is). I don't think the map issue will ever be settled, since there will always be randoms that come across it and get offended or something. Or just people that believe any RoM source is ipso facto unreliable. BalkanFever 11:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
You are unfortunately right on your remarks, but I am genuinely interested. With all these tension and constant bickering it becomes a trully impossible task to form an opinion. Therefore every piece of information is welcome as far as I' m concerned. I am well aware of the grievances from both sides. I think that the more we learn about the issues involved in this incredible conflict the better we understand.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
So many issues, so little interest (I mean on the part of others) For more on linguistics, try: The situation of the Macedonian language in Greece: sociolinguistic analysis by Roland Schmeiger [2] and Greece and European Turkey: From Religious to Linguistic Identity by Peter Trudgill. BalkanFever 11:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. I 've read both ages ago. Btw I think the correct spelling is "Schmieger" I've seen you mispelling it before and I am an expert in wreaking spelling havoc myself--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll keep that in mind. Chucked it in the spell-check just to make sure. BalkanFever 12:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


In every article about FYROM for me Republic of Macedonia for you i can see you in the contributors and more i've read your page and i mean wow.Keep up the good work cause i've learned a lot from Fyrom related articles that i simply did't knew.

Don't get me wrong about FYROM i don't want to offend or insult you.TheJudge0791 (talk) 18:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Umm, thanks, I guess. BalkanFever 04:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


Well, you just proved my point.--Dimorsitanos (talk) 04:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Threatening to Ban peopleEdit

Man, you are a trouble maker! I, per usual, am notifying you of an AN/i thread: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Reporting_a_Threat_for_Ban_in_Violation_of_the_Banning_Concept..

You are a rebel (by rebel I mean jerk)! Beam 15:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be taken care of, by numerous admins. BalkanFever 09:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ottoman TurkishEdit

Hi, I noticed your message at User talk:AdjarianLAZ. He is a sockpuppet, so he is currently blocked. However, I know a user (Saposcat), who would probably know the answer to your question. He is semi-retired, so if he doesn't reply to you on his talk page, you might try emailing him. However, he definitely knows Ottoman Turkish. Khoikhoi 06:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, didn't realise that. Thanks. BalkanFever 07:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

BTW, perhaps you could help me out with something. The Jegunovce page needs to be updated, and I noticed that someone added some info regarding Silmak (formerly Jugohrom). However, he/she included a joke in his edits (which are somewhat in comment-form instead of proper encyclopedic form), and also did not include any sources. Do you think you could help me by adding sources and updating the article? I need to know whether the plant was closed down or not, and I can't read the official website unfortunately. Khoikhoi 10:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The official website just describes the municipality, and I don't seem to be able to click any links. Found an A1 article (in Macedonian) though, and will update the page now. The "Silni Makedonci" thing is the joke (it means "Strong Macedonians"). BalkanFever 10:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, ok. Thank you very much. One more thing: do you know if the names are normally supposed to be capitalized or not? Khoikhoi 19:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, style here on wiki seems to be not to capitalise the name of companies, because I think most companies have their names in capitals elsewhere. Fixed. BalkanFever 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

weird story thingEdit

LOL Ijanderson977 (talk) 12:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


Hello. I see, still I would like to see the sentence there for one simple reason. "Polish singer" is not clear, many readers can guess she is Polish, because she hails from Poland or only her parents are Polish. Ewa hails from historical Polish minority of Zaolzie region, her family lived always there, borders just changed leaving this territory in Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic. For comparison, Polish minority there can be compared to Hungarian one in Slovakia or German-speaking one in Südtirol, Italy. - Darwinek (talk) 11:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Right. Vendryne is a nice village near the ugly gray industrial town of Trinec. :) Due to this many wealthy people of Trinec built new houses in Vendryne in last years and relocated there, and this trend seems to continue. Ewa attended Polish elementary school in Vendryne (Polish Wedrynia) and is now going to attend famous Polish gymnasium (high school) in Cesky Tesin. - Darwinek (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't know her personally, she's quite younger generation than me but Ewa is a famous regional (and not only) personality. Yes, I live on the Olza, crossed it twice today. :) You're from the Republic of Macedonia? - Darwinek (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Nice. From what I know there is a huge Macedonian community in Australia, particularly Melbourne I think. How are your relations with huge Greek community there? :) My Greek friends from Zaolzie mention Macedonia only as FYROM and they would beat me if I would use Macedonia in front of them. :) They view your nation as bunch of revisionists and think you should give your territory to Greece. - Darwinek (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Right. There are several thousands Greeks and Macedonians in the Czech Republic. Children of those forced to flee after the civil war. Patriotic as hell, which I'm fine with but I don't like their attitude towards other minorities in this country. Maybe it is because Greeks from Greece view their own minorities as obstacle. - Darwinek (talk) 13:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Polish of course. Assimilation even accelerated after the fall of communism and the backbone of our minority have always been underlining of our uniqueness and otherness from the Czech ethnic group. So Poles there are loyal to the Czech Republic but proud Poles, many also believe in the so-called theory of two motherlands, that we have one motherland in the Czech Republic, because we are Czech citizens and the second one, more or less spiritual, in Poland. Still we live in region divided in 1920 by both countries. For example in 1938-1945 our region was a part of different countries four times. Looking from 1918 even more times. :) - Darwinek (talk) 14:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Right, there is a discussion about this in Poland now but I am a fervent opposer of this fresh theory, so I'm not non-involved and couldn't deliver you a neutral point of view. :) - Darwinek (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments on Talk:Republic of Macedonia/nameEdit


Regarding this comment. I know is debate is pretty heated, but try and remember Wikipedia's policy on Personal attacks. Thanks Samuell Lift me up or put me down 14:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder :) BalkanFever 12:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


150px Wishing BalkanFever a very happy Ilinden from Rašo! Have a great day!   

Thanks for signing my Guestbook!Edit

Thanks for signing my Guestbook! To futher thank you, this is one free bootleg German ticket to see The Dark Knight at any bootleg movie theater neer you! Gears of War 2

Gears of War 2 01:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Now I can finally watch it :D BalkanFever 01:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Lol, it was really good too. Gears of War 2 01:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


Hello, is there a currently ongoing discussion about this? I looked briefly, but didn't see one. Perhaps I missed it? Parsecboy (talk) 12:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. BalkanFever 12:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I left a somewhat lengthy reply on my talk page. Parsecboy (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, here's an unrelated question: how did your talk page become conquered by Australia? Parsecboy (talk) 13:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Since I'm in Australia, I decided to claim my page before someone else did. :DBalkanFever 13:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Makes sense ;) Parsecboy (talk) 13:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Tarator or Cacik?Edit

Hi. Perhaps you have something useful to say about whether Cacik is an acceptable alternative name of Tarator, discussed on Talk:Yoghurt#Tarator vs Cacik. NerdyNSK (talk) 09:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Etiquette AlertEdit

Hi, I'm letting you know I've filed an etiquette alert considering you at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:BalkanFever. --   Avg    18:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 South Ossetia War talk archiveEdit

Hi. I at first thought about archiving half the page, but then I changed mind and only archived discussions made on 8 August, leaving all 9 August discussions on the main talk page (having in mind to use the same archive page later as the days pass). If you think this is not helpful or if you can do something better please feel free to revert me. I don't intend to archive more now, and thanks for letting me know. NerdyNSK (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


I'm not going to unilateraly move it because of the reasons you've stated. Unfortunately with such as busy article with so many editors, it will be hard to reach a consensus. We will see in the next few days if this war gets even bigger, so if it does then we can re-name it and if it doesn't then it's fine. If the war expands, then we may have to make a tough decision without a supermajority and change the name of the article to reflect reality. --Tocino 05:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

South OssetiaEdit

Yeh it does, however I oppose the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This is just Russia showing how big and hard it still is because it hasn't had a fight in a while. Also it wants to punish Georgia for leaving the CIS and becoming friendly with EU/NATO/USA Ijanderson977 (talk) 08:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean what NATO did in the 1990s? Ijanderson977 (talk) 08:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fark affEdit

THIEF 3rdAlcove (talk) 09:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

*hides* BalkanFever 09:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian translationEdit

Hi, BalkanFever! I'm looking for some help by a Macedonian speaker to get this article a bit improved. I used some article from the MK page as a template and tinkered around it. Since I have rough understanding of the Cyrillic alphabet and almost no understanding of the Macedonian language I'd appreciate one or two improvements on the article. You can find inspirations here. If you have questions or need any help on your project's translations, just let me know! Thank you. -Lemmy- (talk) 12:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'll translate some of the passage tomorrow, as I'm a bit pressed for time right now. Cheers, BalkanFever 12:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Great work. Thank you! -Lemmy- (talk) 11:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

removing instead of archivingEdit

Heh, I'm too afraid of being too forward and removing things that might actually be useful or that don't deserve removing :) . Also, if you later need to refer to the actions of a disruptive user, it's easier to point at archived discussions than at removed ones. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough :). BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 09:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


What's with requesting editors to "use # before signature"? 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

It gives a number so that it's easier to count.
  1. Like so. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Ehm, nevermind. I'd tell you what I mixed up but it'd make me look even more stupid. 3rdAlcove (talk) 10:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Lol , OK then. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 10:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Why "disputed"?Edit

Hey Balkan, I was wondering why so many Macedonian articles are being disputed? Is the disputation coming from Macedonians or Bulgarian/Greek users? Look at the following:

Maks Aegean Maks Albo Maks.. and others

Also, [Macedonism] is horribly written. It talks about the situation of the Balkans in the 1900s not the actual national awakening of the Macedonians. It needs work. Mactruth (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to give a little light on the last issue - Macedonism was recently merged with Macedonian nationalism despite the warnings from some users that these were actually two different terms. --Laveol T 21:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
You'll have to search the page history to find out who disputes them, but I suspect the latter. Most people chuck a tag without opening a discussion, maybe thinking it will miraculously fix itself. If there hasn't been a discussion or the dispute has been resolved, just remove the tags. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
About the other thing, Macedonian nationalism and Macedonism refer to the same thing (nowadays they have mostly a negative connotation, as with all nationalism), but Macedonism is more of a neologism, as Philip Baird Shearer said. Mactruth, feel free to improve the article. I too think it needs more focus, since "Macedonian nationalism" used to be at the title "National awakening of the ethnic Macedonians" so that was the original purpose. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hypocricy reduxEdit

Talking about hypocricy, you claim exactly above that some things should be just deleted (obviously it applies only to those you don't like) and then you revert me when I did exactly what you suggest.--   Avg    08:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yawn. You're removing it because you don't like that English-language sources use "Republic of Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". That and you find "Yunan" offensive, but then again, you use "Skopian" and "Fyromian" all the time, so why should I give a shit? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, there's only one c in hypocrisy. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
But of course you'd know that. It is a "Macedonian" word after all. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Any Greek should know that σ becomes s, not c. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 09:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Anal, anyone? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Double entendre, anybody? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 10:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
You just know. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


Samo licemjere ne podnosim. Ovo nije dostojno Sokrata ni drugih. Sramota na što spadoše . --Aradic-es (talk) 09:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

English, please? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
As I have yet to receive a reply from Aradic, would BF care to do the honours? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Did you ignore what I said about my Croatian skills? I understand it fairly well, but my translation won't make much sense, so you'll probably misinterpret it. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Just give it a shot. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Well? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


I just can't stand the hypocrits.This is not at the level of Socrates. it is shameful on what did they(Yunans, btw) come.

--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I asked for an English translation, not this shit. By the way, one of you says it's Croatian while the other claims it's "Macedonian". Which of you Slavs is telling the truth? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 22:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Ja sam ja, divlji Bil, prezivam se............BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 10:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Cinema of MacedoniaEdit

Hi could you fill this out into the fuller article it deserves thanks. I've also created Template:CinemaofMacedonia as with other countries The Bald One White cat 18:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Will do. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 05:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Question from an IonianEdit

Would you mind translating this comment of yours? Cheers. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

"I want to ask you: do you hate Greeks as a nation (ethnic group), or just the hypocrites? They're not all bad people....Sorry, my Croatian probably sucks." BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't actually say "Ionians"; that would be "Jonci". And maybe you should actually read the wiktionary pages that you link to - you might learn a thing or two. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
So Junanci means "Greeks"? In which language? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not an actual word bre. Call it a loan if you want, a Slavicisation of the Turkish word or Persian, ultimately Greek, blah blah blah..... It means "one from Junanska", which itself is borrowing the stem (Junan from Yunan) and translating the suffix (like in a calque); -stan and -ska both meaning the same thing (-ia in Greek and Latin). BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 07:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
In other words, you were merely parroting the pejorative epithet coined by your Croat comrade. Got it. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Since you seem to know your spelling it's time to go to the actual meaning of the word. I'm sure your definition of hypocrites is quite large, when Greeks are concerned. Just to clarify since you've already labelled me a hypocrite, do you think it's okay to hate me and do you label me "bad people"? --   Avg    08:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Don't be silly, you (Avg) can't be "bad people" since that's a plural. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that no one has signed yet. Can you feel the love? I think you hate it, deep inside. 3rdAlcove (talk) 10:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Well I didn't come here for love, I'll tell you that much. Guess I'll have to try harder. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 20:45, 26 August 2008
I suppose I could sign it, given the right atmosphere. I'm open to persuasion. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Do you take burek? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 11:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Is it thick and greasy? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Indeed. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 11:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

aromanian helpEdit

Hi, i see that you can speak aromanian. Can you help me finding the Saranda name in aromanian, because there is a slight minority in the town and the name should be added to the lead? Thanksbalkanian (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it's any different from the Albanian < Greek. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
It would be Saranda, maybe Sarandã. I doubt you would be able to find it on the internet anywhere though. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 11:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian History in questionEdit

Zdravo BalkanFever. Nekoj ja izbrisa slikata IlindenFlag svg.png za koja nie Makedoncite tolku se borevme da ostane vo Flags of the Republic of Macedonia poradi copyright, a Bugarot Jingiby postavi link vo na bugarskata partija VMRO-BND deka oni go koristat toa zname, a u stvari: 1. oni koristat drugo takvo zname so natpis 'VMRO-BND' 2. jas go kreirav toa zname i mu staviv copyright kako 'own work'. Ke mozes li da prezemes nesto? Golem pozdrav

PS. Ti moderator li bese tuka ili greska sum? Cukiger (talk) 02:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Stvarno ne znam za copyright i takvi nešta. Najdobro e da odiš do WP:ANI za celiot problem i vidi što kje se sluči tamu. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 06:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

a discussion of hypothetical situations which doesn't add anything to the articleEdit

  • [3] - Are you insane??? Before I added this very important paragraphs, Zocky reverted one of my edits with a summary implying just that [4]. Some Serb linguists like Pavle Ivić even tried to list the common "Serbo-Croatian" isoglosses, but all of them have eventually failed the eye of scrutiny! The fact that this "Serbo-Croatian" grouping is completely arbitrary and does not constitute a genetic node, i.e. that there was never a stage in which there existed an ancestor dialect of all Čakavian, Kajkavian and Štokavian speeches is a very important one. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 11:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes OK, your explanation makes sense. Maybe you want to word it differently and cite a few sources? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 11:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
And I still don't think all of that should be in the intro. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 11:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi Emre. I just wanted to ask, do you know any Ottoman Turkish? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 11:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, What do you mean as Ottoman Turkish? Craftsman or Sultan? I didn't understand completely... *** Эɱ®εč¡κ ***and his friend 07:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I meant do you have any knowledge of the Ottoman Turkish language (Osmanlıca)? 08:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
i can't think now... Both are resemble to each other... *** Эɱ®εč¡κ ***and his friend 18:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Your awful revert of Sharr MountainsEdit

Your awful and biased revert of the article on the Sharr Mountains on the Kosovo pages will be changed and I hereby submit my protest at your silly changes. The Sharr Mountains are located in two Albanian-majority territories (Albania and Kosovo), thus Albanian takes precedence and so-called 'Macedonian.' You are hereby warned to stop your biased reverts. --alchaemia (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

WTF? BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Macedonia on KosovoEdit

Thank you, BalkanFever. It certainly looks more useful than what we had in place, and so I took the liberty of replacing the article entry with your write-up, giving credit where it's due in the edit summary. Best, --Mareklug talk 06:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


This is a reply to your email (in Macedonian): Еве, арен, ти како си? :)

Добро е што ме потсети за изговориве, затоа што и тоа имам во план веќе некое време (како и милион други работи). Знам и можам, само не знам дали сум компетентен за таа работа (со гласот, со интонацијата...). Види го изговорот на македонски јазик; that little bastard is me, but don't tell anyone. :P Сепак, сигурно ќе биде подобро од српски хахаха, многу се смееме за тоа тука! Шега на страна, не можам да дозволам странците да слушаат нешто на што тука се смееме, уште веднаш ќе почнам со „рикординг“! ;) Поздрав. --iNkubusse? 12:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Ок, еве го и првото чедо: commons:Image:Mk-Republika Makedonija.ogg. Добро ли е? Не знам зошто се јавуваат тие три пречки т-к, т-к... Добар ми е микрофонот... Можеби при конверзијата wav-ogg, бидејќи немам снимач директно во .ogg. Ако имаш, те молам препорачај. --iNkubusse? 15:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Фала многу! За тие пречки немам појма, ама не е толку битно. Уште еднаш фала. :) BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 23:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Додадов уште неколку, види commons:Category:Macedonian pronunciation. Планирам уште многу да додадам, добро ќе ни дојдат. Патем, нема зошто ти да се заблагодаруваш: го правам тоа за нас! Ти може да дадеш еден изговор на GTA:SA, ама на амерички. :D --iNkubusse? 03:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Браво бе човек! Ај ќе ги додадам. РЅ: Оxрид во МФА ќе биде ли /ohrid/ или /ohrit/ ? Звучи како Final obstruent devoicing. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 03:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Да ти кажам, тоа размислував баш додека го снимав! На македонски се вика „обезвучување“ на согласка на крајот од зборот и тоа важи за повеќето зборови, воопшто (леб -> леп, снег -> снек, итн). Веројатно тоа важи и за Охрид (за зборот рид исто така важи обезвучувањето). Не дека намерно сакаме д да се слуша како т, ама се слуша, што да му правиме. :) Значи, јас не сум експерт за ИПА и затоа не знам што да ти кажам, ама знам дека д-то на крај се слуша како т. Од друга страна, ако по зборот „Охрид“ има збор што почнува со звучна согласка (пр. Охрид даде жртви...), обично се изговараат слеано двете звучни согласки, односно ОхриД. Ај да не се врткам околу едното исто, да ти кажам право - не знам. :) --iNkubusse? 05:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Добро, ќе го ставам како /t/ бидејќи така се слуша. Гледам важи само на крајот на зборот: (леб /lɛp/, а лебот /lɛbɔt/) а исто така и пред безвучни самогласки: /gruefski/. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 05:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Да, токму така. ;) Ќе снимам сега уште неколку имиња на градови, ама сигурно има и уште нешто. Те молам кажи ми ако ти текнува нешто друго за снимање (само направи ми листа, ќе ја средам). --iNkubusse? 14:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Еј, провери ги моите нови подигнувања на Ризницата и додади ги на соодветните статии (не сакам да експериментирам со ИПА). И уште еднаш да ти кажам, направи ми листа од сè што сакаш да чуеш. ;) --iNkubusse? 17:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Епа, само имиња на градови и луѓе требат МФА, а реките, планините итн. нека ги имат ogg-те со кирилицата, како што си направил тука. Ќе создавам листа наскоро; повеќето ќе биде градови и луѓе. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 08:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Ок, провери ги подигнувањата. ;) Ги снимив сите за 10 минути, но ги подигав неколку саати... :( Се тресам од замор... :S --iNkubusse? 20:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Ги ставам сега. Едно прашање: РАДмила шекеРИНска или шеКЕринска? Снимал си го првото, и нормално ти ќе знаеш, само секогаш мислев беше второто. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 05:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
ШекеРИНска, тоа е изговорот на ова презиме. Македонското правило на третиот слог од лево кон десно важи само за изворните македонски зборови (и тоа не баш за сите); странските имиња се читаат најчесто како што се читаат во оригиналот. Земи го како пример Александар. :) Една професорка во основно ме викаше АлЕксандар хаха. :D Патем, фала ти за микрофонот! :P Ако се потребни уште снимки, направи уште една листа, па после да можеш да ме наградиш цело студио! :D --iNkubusse? 13:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Russia and the CaucasusEdit

yeh I would lol Ijanderson (talk) 10:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Language policy of SFRYEdit

It is late but now we are having source [5] . In first communist Yugoslavia constitution official languages are: Croatian, Macedonia, Serbian and Slovenian + Hungarian in Vojvodina and Albanian on Kosovo.--Rjecina (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Political corpseEdit

Thank you, chap! :) Yes, I have simultaneously made a Russian version of the article. --Supernova (talk) 09:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


Hello Balkan, sega gledam vo vrska so mojot pretposleden komentar na stranicata za razgovor na NOB - jas ne te obvinuvam tuka, tuku naprotiv tebe ti se obrakjam za pomosh i mislenje. Sakam da mi kazesh shto mislish za problemot. Jas potroshiv tolku vreme sobiranje informacii za da napravam ubava opshirna statija, i kolegata Kobra samo doagja i ja pravi statijata grda. Vidi go rasporedot na sliki i strukturata na anegovata verzija. Navistina neznam shto mu smeta, se odnesuva mnogu neracionalno, kako namerno da go pravi ova. Te molam za mislenje. I would ask you to visit the history page of National Liberation War of Macedonia. I spend so much time making this article, and this user Köbra comes and vandalizes the whole text of the article and excludes valuable photos. I would like your opinion on the subject. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 00:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Izvini što sum zafaten ovie dena; nemam vreme da čitam dve celi statii za NOB. Navistina ne svakjam kako možat sliki da bidat tooolku važni, ama pak, ne sum gledal. Isto taka, grdo/ubavo ne e glavna tema vo enciklopedička diskusija. Gledaj kaj informaciite. Dali toa što sakaš da stoi vo statijata e od neutralna gledna točka. Dali Kobra ima izbrišeno važni informacii, ili samo zborovi - t.e. dali informaciite ušte stojat, samo vo pokratka forma? Dali izvorite se neutralni? Ova treba sebesi da se prašuvaš. Ili možeš da prašuvaš nekoj korisnik koj znae za borbi da gi čita dvete verzii. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 06:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


If something new comes up I'll edit that first and see what you think of it first. But I don't think there is much I could add at the moment. Thanks Ijanderson (talk) 14:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg listed for deletionEdit

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Dimorsitanos (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't be arsed voting. Just tell me how it goes. BalkanFever 08:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi. I was wondering if you know of any sources from purblished academics who support the Macedonian position in the naming dispute in terms of historical rights, the non-Greekness of Macedonia, etc Hxseek (talk) 07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I don;t know what your stance on this issue is. My great area of interest is early medieval Balkan history and 'ethnogenesis'. Basically I want to make the Macedonia Naming Dispute article more neutral, which seems to always be an uphill struggle. Hxseek (talk) 09:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Majtap. Does that not mean " a mess" ? So you are a mixture of everything ? Hxseek (talk) 10:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


I am trying to get in contact with the Board of Directors of the organizations. It seems when they were founded in 1922 (by immigrants who mostly fled in 1903, before macedonia was liberated), many of the people were subscribing to the Bulgarian-Macedonian paradigm, which at that time probably meant more Slav-Macedonian, as the main purpose was to differentiate themselves from the Greeks. This held for a while, but started to fall apart in 1945 after Macedonia became an independent country, then many of the MPO started to realize that they don't have all that much in common with the Bulgarians after all, and now they had their own independent country they much more preferred to identify with. By the 1980s they were almost completely clear of pro-bulgarian sentiments and ever since are fervent supporters of separate and independent Macedonian nation and republic.

Anyway, this is mostly anecdotal knowledge, and it would take a lot of research to put this properly sourced in the article, but for now some useful information can be extracted from their web site They have done some admirable charity work in Macedonia. Capricornis (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It is unfortunate that our diaspora has been so fractured (btw, the United Macedonian Diaspora needs work :). The Macedonians from the Greek part after 1924 had all their names changed to Greek ones, under the Metaxas dictatorship. Some of them changed them back when they immigrated, but most of them did not want to go through the administrative hassle. There are way more Greek and Bulgarian editors on wikipedia, so going head-to-head with them is not the best option. There is lot of POV pushing and weasel words, but a lot can be done by editing the less controversial articles, and adding more articles about the current R.Macedonia. f course, if there is blatant POV and propaganda in Macedonian articles feel free to edit them, and if the 'other' side gangs up and uses vandalism and superior numbers, just start reporting them to all administrators, admin boards, arbitration, etc. Capricornis (talk) 18:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


The article says that their source in Albanian parties in Macedonia told them how Macedonia will recognise Kosovo on September 22 and all that in order to solve the current parliamentary crisis. It says that PM Gruevski agreed for this move in order to maintain internal stability because the DPA wouldn't support him otherwise. It also says how the PM will have troubles to explain that to the public which is against such a move but that it will buy him some points regarding the name dispute with Greece. But all in all it's all based on "the source refused to be named", "our sources within Albanian parties" etc. Cheers, --Avala (talk) 10:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


Ги гледаш муабетите во последниот дел на страницата за дискусија? Capricornis (talk) 17:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

aha :) Capricornis (talk) 19:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


I just read your entire talk page. i was crackin' up from laughter.. i forgot that wikipedia contribution can be entertaining Capricornis (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Your Polish alphabetEdit

I think you have a contradiction on your subpage User:BalkanFever/Polish_Cyrillic_Alphabet. In the charts, you have Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/, but in the description underneath the charts you have it reversed. I assume one of them is a mistake. If it were up to me, I'd say that Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/ makes more sense because it's in line with how Russian handles things (their "l" sound is actually more like /w/ than like /l/, so when borrowing foreign names they use ЛЬ for /l/.

I found you because I have a few Macedonian-related articles on my watchlist; I'm not that knowledgeable about the content but I can do vandalism reversion and reversion of uneducated unuseful edits. I'm an American of half-Greek descent, but that isn't really the reason why I decided to start watching Macedonia articles ... I just tend to drift from topic to topic every few months. Some of the article I edit are things I'm knowledgeable about, but a lot of them aren't. Anyway, nice to meet you. Soap Talk/Contributions 01:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

What are you, dense?Edit

(cur) (last) 00:46, 21 September 2008 BalkanFever (Talk | contribs) (145,748 bytes) (reveritng poorly sourced (speculation only) crap about macedonia. that's it from me for today. if idiots like alchaemia and the anons revert, get rid of them) (undo)

Insults such as these have no place in Wikipedia, and you're kindly asked to stop the charade. --alchaemia (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I must add, What are you, dense? is a really polite way to point out others' insults. --iNkubusse?
First off, don't cry, since you randomly attacked me a few sections up. Second, what charade? Macedonia should not be called an "imminent recogniser", because the amount of speculation in the sources of the (single, I may add) source is laughable. Compare this with the Macedonian MFA, quotes (or lack thereof) from Macedonian politicians, and news from Macedonian media, and what do you see? iNkubusse, would you like to help out? You may as well, since you're actually in Macedonia, and I'm getting tired searching all Macedonian media just to prove something to trolls that won't listen anyway. BalkanFever 07:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure, I can at least try to be helpful. Just tell me what to do exactly. :) I mean, what kind of quotes to look for. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if this shitty state recognises Kosovo imminently, but I also wouldn't include that in the article, because the sources are weak. Crvenkovski probably just got drunk and God knows what happened. :P --iNkubusse? 11:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Basically "Македонија (утре ќе) ја признава Косово." or something to that effect, preferably from Nikola, Branko or Antonio, or anyone else reliable (in this context) i.e. not Ali, Menduh or Imer. BalkanFever 12:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that of course goes for the exact opposite too. BalkanFever 12:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Брат, јас ти одговорив уште тогаш кога ми пиша ти последен пат, ама по грешка стиснав alt+F4 за нешто друго, и ми пропадна целиот текст, па се изнервирав и баталив некое време. Накратко, I'm workin' on it. ;) Како што гледаш од Авала, Владата нема што да каже во врска со тоа, а да не зборуваме одлучно да изјави дека ќе го признава Косово тогаш-и-тогаш. Јас мислам дека Владата нема да каже ништо децидно сè до денот кога всушност ќе го признава, што значи дека нема место на Википедија за такви (дез)информации. Поздрав. --iNkubusse? 22:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Gruevski has spokenEdit

Gruevski has spoken on the issue of Kosovo and recognition speculations - [6]. Could you update the article? Thanks, --Avala (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I would have added it but in the case I mistranslated some fine detail I would risk of being accused of falsifying and whatnot so I decided to wait for you. Cheers --Avala (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


im glad to be back. PMK1 (talk) 08:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop personal attacks on Greek contributersEdit

The title of your last revert to me said "greek nationalists try to emphasize significance bt lets let the non-retarded decide"

Although you seem to be trying to obfuscate you are a FYROM nationalist to other Wikipedia contributers your obsessive anti-Greek editing history makes it quite clear . That's not a crime but I don't appreciate your continued name calling me (e.g. "non-retarded"). Wikipedia's code of conduct explicitly states no personal attacks. I'd appreciate it if you could stick to article discussions. Crossthets (talk) 01:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Funny how people complain to me about my personal attacks by using personal attacks. Do you fail to see that I was paraphrasing you? Anyway, everything is in my first edit summary. That has been taken out of context, and you should get a reliable source talking about it, not some "evidence" from nationalist outlets. BalkanFever 02:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You say that I said a personal attack but I haven't. Despite that you try to hide do appear to be a FYROM nationalist (or do you deny it?). Wikipedia's code of conduct also explicitly states mentioning someone is a nationalist (a potential conflict-of-interest) isn't abusive whereas calling someone "retarded" certainly is no gray are)

Despite that Wikipedia allows for it, I would prefer to avoid using the word "nationalist" myself (at least when dealing with you one-on-one) but it's kind of hard to do when at every chance you, a FYROM nationalist, swing that at me (and you started it in your edits by the way). If you enjoy being called a nationalist yourself... keep doing it. If you stop characterizing me like that I will do the same for you. Again...your call.

Despite your assurances that FYROM's PM Gruveski knelling in front of a large map of United_Macedonia a foot in front of him has somehow been taken out of context (which incidentally I didn't say anything on the matter just provide a link to the image).... you offer absolute no evidence to back up your claim.

This isn't some casual mistake by someone insignificant. This is the leader of an entire country bowing down to a map showing a third of someone else's country occupied. Many people would consider that an act of war (or at the very least political incompetence considering how sensitive the issues between FYROM and Greece these days). It was certainly newsworthy. However, before reverting it back I will give you an opportunity to explain how such an extreme photograph can be been "taken out of context" and why Wikipedians shouldn't be allowed to know about it so as to judge the significance of this international incident for themselves). Crossthets (talk) 02:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was stupid of him to do it. He should have known the Greek media and Greek nationalists are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. And of course it was out of context. Tell me, whose monument is it? What was their objective (wiki article on them isn't great btw)? Was he kneeling to the monument or the map? And if it was an international incident, how come only Greek media outlets (including lobbyists) reported it? BalkanFever 03:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

What are you trying to achieve here Balkanfever? Are you so obsessed in your hatred of Greeks that you can't see your statements like "a few sandwiches short of picnic" is outright bigotry directed against Greeks? (let me guess.. you also deny Alexander the Great was Greek too right?)

Rather than arguing the photograph is "out of context" (or screaming "nationalist" every time some fact disagrees with your world view).... why don't you instead try to coherently explain the FYROM nationalist viewpoint. How can such an extreme photograph be taken out of context?

And while you are at it... during a recent FYROM "human rights" parade in Australia a large prominent banner declared "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again" (the Solun they are referring to is already the capital of Macedonia... Thessaloníki in Macedonia Greece)

Is that "out of context" too? Funny how that keeps happening. Crossthets (talk) 03:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Greek media and Greek nationalists are a subset of Greeks; not all Greeks are "journalists" or nationalists. Unless of course you want to tell me that they are, in which case you should stop insulting your own kind. Why don't you try to explain the Greek nationalist viewpoint? Oh wait, you have, on your userpage. It's not the photograph in itself that is out of context, it's your sorry attempt at an explanation of it, which basically amounts to "look! gruefski n teh fyromz r teh evilz!". And no, that nationalist banner isn't out of context. It's quite irredentist indeed. What do you want me to do about it? Give them a talking to? The problem is that your media and your nationalists try to use something like that as representative of all ethnic Macedonians. I've seen similar posters from Greeks in Australia, the only difference is you'll defend it as "patriotism" or say its a "reaction" to something else, since you're probably the one who makes them. BalkanFever 05:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, when have you ever seen a "similar poster" from Greeks with maps incorporating territories of neighbouring countries? I'd like to see an example, as you seem to be trying to equate the behaviour of the two communities, when in fact they aren't comparable. United Macedonia irredentism is de rigeur for organized "Macedonian" communities around the world; it simply isn't for the Greeks. As for Gruevski, your attempt to defend him is hilarious. He's not the bloody chairman of Preston "Makedonija", for fuck's sake; he's the elected leader of a sovereign state, and should start behaving accordingly. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
At the Australian Open. Some retard was holding a banner about Constantinople and Smyrna. And it said something about Enosis, since he came to see that "patriot" Baghdatis. Oh I'm sure your leaders are great people. The "Macedonian" Karamanlis is the leader of a sovereign multi-ethnic state, why isn't he acting like one? BalkanFever 08:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I knew you'd bring that up, which is why I stressed organized in my initial post. It's always the Australian Open, and always Baghdatis. It must really bother you to see a Cypriot who isn't ashamed of being Greek (unfathomable, I know) play at such an élite level. The rally led by the "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again" banner was sponsored by the organized "Macedonian" communities there, no? You could be one of the guys holding it, for all I know. The guy on the right with the bad sideburns, perhaps? As for Karamanlis, I'm no fan either, but I don't get what your beef is. Did I miss his laying a wreath before a map of the Treaty of Sèvres cessions? If anything, Greek leaders are usually accused of the opposite; laying the obligatory wreath at Atatürk's mausoleum when visiting Ankara, for example. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Not really, they basically just said "come and protest". Nobody said "bring a Greek flag to burn" either, and yet some idiots did. My beef is the denial of the existence of any minorities in Greece, if you haven't realised. Not just the ethnic Macedonians, the others too. And be sure, I got rid of my sideburns long ago. Not that they were bad or anything ;). BalkanFever 08:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I do know the old guy on the far right though, speaks fluent Greek. Interesting. BalkanFever 08:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Did they ever try to confiscate the offensive material or sanction the culprits? No. On the contrary, the delightful banner was leading the irredentist fuckfest. That's what I mean. As for Greece's minorities, what right does an Australian citizen have to tell another country how to conduct its internal affairs? Your treatment of the Aborigines is hardly commendable, even if Australia does recognizes their existence. Their life expectancy is more comparable to that of the Third World. What's more important, ultimately? Do your diaspora activists seriously believe the "Macedonians" of "Lerin" would have a better quality of life in a United Macedonia? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
How fluent is "fluent"? Can he pronounce the voiced velar fricative without choking on his capsicum? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
What do you want me to say about the Aborigines? That they're fine and dandy? They aren't. And the guy is more fluent than this Athenian I know. Poor kid renders /r/ as /ɹ/. BalkanFever 09:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
He must be a Gheg Albanian, or have a speech impediment. By the way, you probably shouldn't be compromising people's identities on the Internet. You never know who could be watching. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As for the Aborigines, the point I was trying to make was that recognition of a minority is not only not a panacea, it doesn't even improve their lives. My personal opinion is that ethnicity, like religion, should be a private matter of no interest or consequence to the state. Id est the French model. Recognizing a minority means you officially tag them as The Other, leaving them vulnerable to all sorts of discrimination. Demanding recognition as a "Macedonian" minority is even worse. No, BF, Greece will not separate the population of Macedonia into "Macedonians" and non-"Macedonians". They are all Macedonians. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure the Albanians (everywhere) would love that. Why should the Macedonian government separate the population of Macedonia as Macedonians and non-Macedonians? They're all Macedonians. BalkanFever 09:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Because it has no choice but to perpetuate the demonstrably failed minority policies of successive Yugoslav régimes? Don't ask me, I don't really know or care. Our Macedonia is not a former Yugoslav republic, though it did come close. I can sympathize with the resentment felt by the Slavs of the "Republic of Macedonia" over having to indulge every minority under the sun, but it's not Greece's fault. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's not like bieng cocky will change the situation. But it is interesting that Kekrops has become more a bulgarophile since the last time i left. I feel like siding with the turks за инает!. :) Anyway there is no point in speculating about the macedonians in greece or the aboriginals. PMK1 (talk) 07:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The part about the Bulgarians wasn't added by me, but I don't see what's wrong with it. If they can call the region Беломорска Македония, why not its former Slavic population something along those lines? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


Pls take a look here!!! --Raso mk (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Како е? Што има ново?

Сѐ е по старо; ти? Не знам што можам да придонесувам до таа статија, освен една шлакајнца за детено. BalkanFever 09:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
English only, especially when you discuss other editors, please. --Laveol T 21:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

bulgarian dialects?Edit

what happened? apparently the bulgarian language streches up to lerin :S! another POV page: Bulgarian dialects PMK1 (talk) 07:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was the one calling for that article for a while, when everyone was on my back for the Macedonian dialects. I was under the (idiotic) impression that it could be done well, and neutrally, leaving the "Macedonian is Bulgarian" agenda behind, with transitional dialects treated as such if need be. Unfortunately, the entire aim of the article seems to be to support that fringe view. You can't hold a dialogue with them either, because none of them understand English or Macedonian well enough, no matter how much they say they do. BalkanFever 10:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Lol you have a point, they seem to forget when the dialogue begins. I also called for such a page ages ago. but that page is way too propaganda. Apparantly 2 transitional dialects were not enough Solun-Voden Dialect is also now transitional?? :S?

I just read your user page, feel sorry for you. It seems like you do or write something and everyone looks for an explanation lol. People need to get lives lol. You know the propaganda will never end! PMK1 (talk) 10:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Nah, leave the Solun thing. If it can be done to focus on the linguistics it's fine. Macedonian variants being added for comparison is a good idea, but I must admit I am confused about the orthography being used for the dialectal words. I think we (everybody) can actually get somewhere with this article :) BalkanFever 10:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Bulgarian contributors don't speak one bit English and their Macedonian is appalling, you can't communicate with them because they're retarded, backward and underdeveloped. Oh, wait. But yeah, sucks to be Bulgarian in this world of united Macedonia from Tokyo to London :) By the way, the Bulgarian language would stretch up to Korçë to the west and the Haliacmon to the south, so Florina (Lerin? Irredentist! :P) isn't really where it ended. Propagandalf to death!
Now, face the facts and get to understand that life isn't as cool as you'd like it to be. People in modern northern Greece don't speak your language and neither do they speak ours: whether you call them Bulgarian or Macedonian, those dialects are next to dead. It's like two jackals contesting a cadaver. No point in calling for revert squad reinforcements over a cadaver, right?
Quit the generalizations and leave the stereotypes behind, then we can talk. It's very sad that purely Macedonian dialects in Greece and Bulgaria (pardon?) suddenly become transitional, but life's hard :S TodorBozhinov 11:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Aha, aha, yet you speak our language as "native". Right. Thanks for explaining linguistics, world geography and the meaning of life to me, Dr. High School dropout. Really, you're like Jesus (Bulgarian: Исус Христов) but better. BalkanFever 11:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Your language is my language too. I respect the fact that the Macedonian literary form has been codified on a Serbian typewriter and stuffed with Serbian loanwords, but it's probably closer to the standard Bulgarian literary form than Banat Bulgarian, which I speak and write less natively than Macedonian :) Really bad guesses about my qualifications and likeness to Jesus though. All the best, TodorBozhinov 14:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
So you haven't dropped out yet and you suck compared to Jesus. Good to know. BalkanFever 14:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
As a Greek I'm probably in no position to ask, but I will anyway. Why do Bulgarians even want these guys to belong to them so badly? I don't see how any future incorporation into Bulgaria of the even poorer Vardarska will benefit them in any meaningful way. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Well it's not all of them, only the retards. BalkanFever 14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The way I see it, if Montenegrin can be its own bloody language, good luck to you. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Please, no more yellow bars for today. BalkanFever 15:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
First, we all suck compared to Jesus, I hope Fever isn't utterly offended :P Second, I'm not an irredentist and I respect everyone's right to self-determination. I'm just asking them to respect our common history because denial and propaganda lead to nowhere. Whether the Most Serene Republic is poor or not is their own problem, that's for them to solve, we have our own problems too, although not as severe. To be honest, the best and only solution would be this one which Fever also supports, but it need not come wholeheartedly and unconditionally. In order for that to happen, the Most Serene Republic will have to quit the propaganda (per Bulgaria's request) and adopt a better name (per Greece's request). EU membership is a catharsis for this country: will they leave anti-Bulgarianism behind and join us in united Europe or will they live on isolated in their imaginary Yugoslavian fairy tale while being overtaken as the dominant ethnicity by a growing secessionist population? TodorBozhinov 15:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
When did Macedonia become San Marino? Seriously though, leave the bar alone. BalkanFever 15:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Max/Ip 84Edit

is getting, annoying, right?--Jakezing (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Damn right. BalkanFever 12:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
first it was avala; though that atleast went through some of the rules, then tocino, now we have somebody SUPPORTING the kosovars that is annoying... what next?--Jakezing (talk) 12:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Never really payed enough attention to whether the others were annoying, but the next one will probably end up being me, just because I will have stopped caring what I reply to.... ;) BalkanFever 13:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Please no personal attacks. (talk) 14:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, don't waste my time with Macedonia. The next time you add something it better be completed recognition, not some more crap. BalkanFever 14:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Why do you say such things? (talk) 15:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Because you are annoying and don't understand anything I say. BalkanFever 02:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm understanding everything and I'm definitely NOT annoying! Please don't call me that! (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll stop calling you annoying when you stop doing annoying things. This includes creating more sections about Macedonia in regards to recognition of Kosovo when nothing has changed. It also includes whining about non-existent "personal attacks", and how much you "are understanding". If you stop that, I don't think I'll have any reason to call you annoying. BalkanFever 13:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

And why I'm doing this? What do you think? Because some stupid people here treat me bad. And please read the sources again, therv are news! (talk) 14:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

They might qualify as "news" for some, but not here. You really need to listen to (read) what people are saying (writing) about your "updates", and try to improve, rather than assuming that they are stupid and they hate you. BalkanFever 14:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
He called me stupid... thats a violation of WP:NPA, as was his edit to this page [7] where he called me a racist.--Jakezing (talk) 12:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
If you want to follow it up, you could go to WP:ANI or WP:WQA... BalkanFever 12:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

September 2008Edit

  I noticed that you have posted comments to the page User talk:Psyxotherapia in a language other than English. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. I know you wrote in Greek because it looks like the user may not know English, but the guidelines call for a translation in that case. I did make out that you were telling him this is English Wikipedia and were referring him to the Greek edition. Largo Plazo (talk) 13:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Greece situates partially in AsiaEdit

The source, which shows that Greece situates partially in Asia: Around the world: Countries that exist wholly or partially within geographical Europe, inter alia From the Black Sea coast, the geographical border of Europe passes through the deepest parts of the Black Sea to the mouth of the Bosphorus; on through the Bosphorus, the Sea of Marmara and the Dardanelles to the Aegean Sea; through the deepest parts of the Aegean Sea to the Mediterranean and around to the Straits of Gibraltar. The line through the Aegean Sea divides the Greek Islands between continental Europe and continental Asia.
--WPK (talk) 13:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

possible new revert war on the horizon where else if not on the Macedonia (disambiguation) pageEdit

[[8]] 01/10/08 someone has re-placed a geografical region infront of an independent state in the Macedonia (disambiguation) page. you can use like a refference Luxembourg (disambiguation), Ireland (disambiguation), Karelia (disambiguation) where the disambiguated terms are stated in order of importance, e.g. first states, than regions etc. Can you take a look plz, tnx Alex Makedon (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Just look at the consensus from (last edit in September) in the history to find the answer. BalkanFever 01:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI NoticeEdit

Hello, BalkanFever. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:BalkanFever regarding an issue with which you are involved. Thank you.--   Avg    11:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Which template did you subst? BalkanFever 11:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Arrogance and irony won't help, why don't you seriously consider your behaviour in Wikipedia instead?--   Avg    11:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd just like to know which template, because it seems quite handy. If you don't want to tell me, then fine. BalkanFever 12:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Please moderate your languageEdit

  Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Re this edit summary, please express yourself without undue profanity. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. BalkanFever 13:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Request assistance Macedonian articleEdit

i wanted to organize the information on the Macedonian article, and have encountered some pretty strong and (according to me) unresonable resistance. Can you objectively assist the article modification. thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 19:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you take a look plz, its the second time i make an argumented constructive modification of the article, according to agreements and suggestions discussed on the talk page, that are reverted with no other reasons stated than "there is no consensus" (in other words i dont like your edit). thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 11:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow I never noticed this section until now. Weird. There's not much I can do due to time constraints, and I'm tired of arguing anyway. ChrisO will be able to help with consensus/disputed info and editing the protected page...BalkanFever 11:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

ok, tnx Alex Makedon (talk) 11:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for advice on talk page, but there is no point. My block has ended before I have noticed blocking.

I am frustrated with User:Don Luca Brazzi and answers from wiki administrators which are part of article discussion. We are going toward 3rd RFC because of new user edit warring in Balkan related articles (all his edits are edit warring). Even his edit warring against consensus is going without "award"....--Rjecina (talk) 19:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


From Talk:International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo

Before you go, are you happy with the decision? What does the proverbial average man on the street have to say about it? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Honestly I don't care much for Kosovo itself, I care about the consequences of this for Macedonia. Most non-Albanian Macedonians are probably against recognition of what they would consider a secessionist-terrorist entity, so the proverbial man might be frustrated. I don't understand how this could in any way have benefits though. Serbian wrath may well be felt soon enough. Crappy choice of neighbours I guess. BalkanFever 10:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Hehe we know the feeling, trust me. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Another ANIEdit

Hello, BalkanFever. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Laveol T 16:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I took the liberty of substing this template. In future, write your own message. It could just be a link, I don't care, but don't patronise me with this >incivility removed due to continual complaints< BalkanFever 21:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
If I had to write a new message every time you called somebody to f*ck off or a scumbag, or a filthy dog, it'd took forever. --Laveol T 10:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Hardy har har har har. Mnogo smyashno. Maybe you should find something useful to do, Abby. BalkanFever 10:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You can't help it, can you? If you're not calling someone names, you'll try your sarcasm on him to see if it has the same result. Is this the only way? To be honest I'm tired of all this as are at least 5-6 other editors. Yes, I'm annoyed cause I don't think this is polite and a proper way of communicating with others. Content disputes are not a reason to act uncivil. They're just not. If someone has different views than you, it doesn't automatically mean he's a bad man or all the stuff you call him. Why can't you understand that? And, no, I'm not "bating" you to continue with this as I want it to end. And, frankly, I think you're smarter than that. --Laveol T 15:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I use sarcasm. So what? There are tons of way more sarcastic users on wiki. It's not a content dispute Laveol, that's what you don't understand. It is a fact that Sarievski wrote the song. Yes, based slightly on a Bulgarian song. Read the "origins" section. The quote is in direct contradiction to the anon's story. The intro doesn't even make sense any more. Which people and which Macedonia? Obviously the SFRY and RoM (and SRoM), because Serbs and Croats sing it, calling it a Macedonian song. Add to that, he's been creating SPAs since April with names like "lolski" and "fyromski" and has been reverted by FP and anti-vandalism bots. And the guy who blocked me is conveniently away, so this "contributor" can continue wrecking the encyclopaedia. Do you see why I use sarcasm? BalkanFever 00:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey buddy,Edit

What's up? How are you? Beam 03:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine. Blocked, but fine. How (and where) have you been? BalkanFever 03:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Good, and here and there (but not here). Oh and I'm pleased to see you haven't changed a bit! Beam 06:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


means loyal follower(with bad sense) and neither collaborator nor political tool. I guess babblefish played games with FP --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 09:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

OK then...BalkanFever 09:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Aegean MacedoniaEdit

Its pretty unclear how is it possible that undocumented personal preferences and POV can influence and have an important role in the articles. Im refering to the Republic of Macedonia aricle, this in particular [9] where just to "calm down" the vandals, or in other words just to suit vandals, important documented and verified information (by encyclopedia Britannica)about Aegean and Pirin Macedonia was deleted. best regards Alex Makedon (talk) 10:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Ej, ne možat site "bitki" da se pobedat. Kaži mi, kakva važna informacija izbrišav jas? Navistina ima li tolku vrska? Takvi ureduvački borbi se dosadni. Ova ti e služba, bidejkji verojatno ako toa prodolžilo kje go imaš kršeno praviloto. Pozdrav BalkanFever 10:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Just for everybody to know - there's nothing here that needs translating. --Laveol T 18:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Bold thingyEdit

1 there is no evidence that its a common way to refer to the Macedonians (ethnic group) by Slav Macedonians,

2 Macedonians (ethnic group)often consider a pejorative and offensive the term Slav Macedonian: "However, the current use of "Slavomacedonian" in reference to both the ethnic group and the language, although acceptable in the past, can be considered pejorative and offensive by some ethnic Macedonians" International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights and here [[10]] Alex Makedon (talk) 11:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not disputing what you say; you can have the bolding argument with the others. It's too WP:LAME for me to waste time on. I'm simply saying that if it's not in bold you put it in quotation marks, so that it is proper English. BalkanFever 05:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

ok, fair enough Alex Makedon (talk) 09:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Athens News AgencyEdit

Do you consider Athens News Agency as inaccurate? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Not in and of itself, but when it comes to the Republic of Macedonia, Greek sources have a history of getting things wrong. See the Panama sections of the talk page there to see what I mean. I'm sure ANA would be a great for something like Greece's position at International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo‎, but for bilateral relations between two foreign countries, not so much. BalkanFever 09:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


SWIFT controls the IBAN and it uses FYRM designation. See Sorry, but that is how it is.--Tom (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


Hey Balkan, are you ever active over at mk-wiki? They've really gone crazy enough to create an article, mk:Старомакедонска_азбука, about that ridiculous "decipherment" of the Rosetta Stone as "Macedonian", apparently presenting the whole thing as undisputed fact. Incredible. Could you help me find out how to start a deletion process over there? I have my doubts if it will succeed, but I really can't let this stand unchallenged, it throws a very very bad light on the legitimacy of the whole project over there in terms of allegiance to NPOV, in my view. Fut.Perf. 19:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's no XFD process there because there's no overwhelming need for one; only a deletion template (kind of like our csd ones here). You could say something at the Village pump to get input, or go directly to admin Brainmachine. As for NPOV, I think you're smarter than to expect much from any Balkan Wikipedia. Have fun. BalkanFever 03:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

revert war on the horison over a see also link O.oEdit

Hi, can you take a look we have a talk page consensus and your positive opinion, about keeping the link List of homonymous states and regions reference, still hordes of lame Greek reverteditors keep reverting and deleting this link with NO arguments, the link was reverted 4 times the last 12 hours, and I repeat with no arguments. Can you do something about this or should we assume that the lame Greek POVeditors Hegemony in WIkipedia is absolute, so the non lame greek editors better spend their time elsewhere? thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Either way, really. I don't see any harm in adding it to the see also. If they're going tag-team on you, it's because they want you to break 3RR so they can report you and you can get blocked. So leave it if you have to. BalkanFever 05:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Infact I dont intend to engage into useless revert wars, thats why i ask for admin assistance, im sure there is something to be done (vandalism-disruptive editing warning/ban)in order to keep the inforamtion on the page and not enter in to edit wars.Alex Makedon (talk) 09:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
No, I don't want to get him blocked. I want him to stop reinserting his OR into the article. So what if there is an Azerbaijan and an Azerbaijan (Iran)? It's the same bloody people on either side of the border, and not comparable to Macedonia in the slightest. How about we add, as Nikos suggested, a list of places that do disambiguate from the original toponym: Mexico and New Mexico, York and New York, Caledonia and New Caledonia, et cetera ad nauseam·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to add also a list of places that do disambiguate from the original toponym feel free to do so, still since its a fact that Republic of Macedonia shares its name with the region its place is on the List of homonymous states and regions and its important to add this under see also, there is no place for "so what" talks. Alex Makedon (talk) 11:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

lol as if had to do anything with the approven link, the WP:GAME will not help. Alex Makedon (talk) 11:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Jag är approven. Vad är det du antyder? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Discuss this on your own talk pages. BalkanFever 00:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Дали ти можеш да го додадеш овој линк на страната со оглед дека ја поддржуваш идеата? Ако јас продолжам да го додавам овој линк на страната, иако се е супер аргументирано и нема никакви контрааргументи, сепак ке биде веднаш сменето а во крајна линија ке испаднам јас крив т.е. бануван. Балгодарам Alex Makedon (talk) 11:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from GreeceEdit

An article you may be interested in, Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece. Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 11:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don'tEdit

But I am going to try to find something more about this dictionary. Do you have Aromanian roots by any chance? My family, on my fathers side, is vlach speaking and I am most interested in the subject myself--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I would hardly call it phihellenic. The way I see it philhellenism was quite a different thing. It is particularly interesting though in relation to the emergence of Balkan identities, and the perceptions of ethnicity. I am aware of the link you provided but thanks for taking the trouble of reminding it. I was hoping to find the paper mentioning the dictionary and maybe some more excerpts. I tried Anemi (an excellent source) but to no avail. Right now Jingby seems to be somehow obsessed with pasting it everywhere. Basically, I don't disagree as long as it is integrated organically in the articles rather than arbitrarily and somewhat erratically as seems to be the case so far. P.S. What comments?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Nope, unfortunately I found nothing through my internet resources... If I happen to trace something I' ll send it ASAP. Youtube comments! LOL! I couldn't care less about Youtube comments--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Macedonian language naming disputeEdit

An article you may be interested in, Macedonian language naming dispute, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macedonian language naming dispute. Thank you. Alex Makedon (talk) 00:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for the welcome :) It's good to see some Macedonian editors here and that it's not all one-sided. Cheers Bruka (talk) 06:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Cyrillic letters in IPAEdit

I've started a try in Talk:List of Cyrillic letters. Please give comments. -- Hello World! 19:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you have a word with ΚΕΚΡΩΨ about his recent disruptive editingEdit

He has been adding the Greek Language among the languages spoken in Macedonia in a total of 7 times up till now. [11] We have some pretty strong evidence that the language is not spoken in Macedonia, at least not in a significant number: European Council [12][13][14], United Nations [15], Britannica encyclopedia [16] , BBC Educational [17], Eupedia [18]. This has been backed up by many editors also. The only lame arguments this user uses to support this fantomatic language minority is this web page [19][20] and even here the Greek it is not clearly stated among the languages of Macedonia. "The number of languages listed for Macedonia is 9." Non of them is Greek. Can you have a word with him about his recent disruptive editing and vandalism on the Republic of Macedonia page. Thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 19:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not like he listens to me. What could I say that hasn't already been said? BalkanFever 01:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
What is there to say? That any mention of the Greek or Bulgarian minorities clashes head-on with your ethnic nationalism? Nobody cares, though I must admit that watching you get hysterical over the non-kosher minorities while demanding recognition of the "Macedonian" minorities in neighbouring states is rather amusing. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 02:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
What are you doing right now? Demanding "recognition" of 400 Greeks in my Macedonia and denying the existence 10-30,000 ethnic Macedonians in your Macedonia. Ease off on the spanakopita, Adolphos. BalkanFever 05:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


...I must have been blind these last few days because I just noticed this part of your post "There's a great paper by Victor Friedman, among other things". Sorry for not responding earlier and hope you won't take it as some kind of disregard on my part. If you are referring to Friedman, Victor A., "The Vlah Minority in Macedonia: Language, Identity, Dialectology, and Standardization" in Selected Papers in Slavic, Balkan, and Balkan Studies, ed. Juhani Nuoluoto, Martii Leiwo, Jussi Halla-aho. Slavica Helsingiensa 21. University of Helsinki, 2001 I first read it here in WP. If you had a different paper in mind I would most certainly be interested. Sorry for not replying promptly--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 10:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Well my aunts were always bilingual, my father speaks only Greek. My grand father was a vlach speaking Greek from Pindus but my grand mother wasn't so that's just about it. Unfortunately I can understand only words and phrases and I always get confused when I see Aromanian written in latin characters. In any case I always enjoyed the songs and dances and have wonderful memories from our local fests.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh... and something you might find interesting is that a lot of my cousins speak the language quite fluently along with Greek--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... if my memory does not fail me it should be something like: him, hii, eashte, him, hit, soont, but you must keep in mind that this is probably my own perception of what I hear. I don't even know if it makes any sense to you. There is a site with audio samples from Greece but I can't find it right now. There is also an early 20th century dictionary you might be interested in [21] --Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Found it! [22] There is also a group in facebook where you can join and ask whatever you want--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It belongs to the northern variation. It was actually recorded in the Village Megala Livadia near Thessalonica (google translator actually renders the name in English as "Big Meadows" hehehehe [23]). There are many more samples if you would care to search the website a bit more--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


Значи ова е едно недоразбирање. Извинувањето е прифатено. Поздрав, Bomac (talk) 11:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What is exactly the problem on "Political Refugees of teh Greek Civil War"Edit

You wrote off a very big article with a tone of references. What is the problem exactly?Dkace (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Knock, KnockEdit

Hey bud, for an Australian-Macedonian you are *very* moderate :) RISPEKT! Capricornis (talk) 01:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Political Refugees of the Greek Civil WarEdit

You noted that my edits in this article suck and you revert them with ethnic propaganda. Can we find a way out of this dead-end situation ? Dkace (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


I think that "some" is not needed there. The refs don't even mention "Hungarians", so I wouldn't say it's a "generalisation". This is quite a basic issue in Hungary to this very day. Squash Racket (talk) 08:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. I'll take your word for it. BalkanFever 09:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Diff between vandalism and content disputeEdit

Are you playing some sort of a game - you know there is a difference, and you know it very well. Neither of the texts has any refs or anything. You remove his version calling his edit vandalism? And how is it vandalism? In the same way I can call your own edit vandalism. --Laveol T 10:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

And you claimed something was sourced when it wasn't. So the real question is: were you outright lying or just <insert word which will get me another AN/I>? BalkanFever 11:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't lying - I thought there was a source about the alleged Bulgarianness of his parents (see the talkpage). I thought it still had it. Happy now? As for your case you're actually POV-pushing as is the IP and you have no right to call his edits vandalsim. I'll look up a source on the subject and probably add his text back. --Laveol T 21:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
What IP? BalkanFever 00:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

To beEdit

Oops, I just now realize you left me a message so I gladly oblige as follows:

The various Vlach dialects are quite "fractured", the spoken language can wildly vary.

But you'd definitely strike luck with the following (and make yourself understood by any self-respectable Vlach native regardless of what his 'milieu' or region of origin might be)

Io hiu, Mini esc(u), Io-s = I am

Tini (tine) hii/esti = You/Thou are (art)

El(u), Ea easti = He/She/It is

Noi him(u) = We are

Voi hiti = You are

Eli/Eali suntu = They are

Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 12:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very muchEdit

thank you for the pointers, i'd be really happy to help you in editting any pages and helping you find any information. im currently working on Loznani which is my home village in republic of Macedonia so if you know anything about it or know how to make this page look more proffesional or better looking please be my guest and help. thank you very much

(Batispecela (talk) 10:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC))


Dude, would you please take a look at and perhaps clean up the language section of this tiny, little village Loznani. It's totally Chinese to me. Thanks. Aramgar (talk) 05:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, homie. BalkanFever 09:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

help, discrimination of macedonian historyEdit

hy balkanfever! could you as a mod look at article "flags of the rep. of macedonia"? 2 probably bulgarian wikipedians are deleting the pre-1944 flags (probably becuase they consider pre-1944-macedonian history bulgarian) and for some reason the ethnic macedonian flags too??? i think that's totally unfair and not a treue compromise. also, the several (historical) coats of arms of macedonia have been removed from the page, which is absurd, too. please take a look. this is another attempt by anti-macedonians too erase macedonian preeWW2-historY. regards Seegef (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have time to argue with anybody about such problems. Sorry. BalkanFever 01:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm just dropping by to say hi to one of my favorite editors.Btw,if you don't mind me asking, is your full name Alexander?

Why thank you. Yes, it is. BalkanFever 14:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I knew it. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvery Swirls (talkcontribs) 09:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

How clever of you, to derive Alexander from Alex. But one assumes his full name cannot be Alexander. Even Madonna has a surname. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Alexander is a popular Macedonian name in general,so it wasn't really a hard thing to do :) About the surname it probably ends on -ov or -ovski or -evski or -ik. Am i right?Silvery Swirls (talk) 10:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Oh,you meant full as in first name and surname? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvery Swirls (talkcontribs) 10:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's also -ev, -oski and -eski. It's all good :) BalkanFever 10:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
And then there's the Vlachs, who may not have had their surnames Slavicized at all. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
And Albanians. And Turks. And Roma. BalkanFever 11:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
And Serbs, and Greeks, and Bulgarians. But are you really that multiethnic? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
And Bosniaks and Croats. BalkanFever 11:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

(^^)Silvery Swirls (talk) 11:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


Don't know if you can help, but... do you have any idea what PRSAMET or PRSDMET might mean? It's Serbian, I think. (Was hand-written in Cyrillic [on a document I was using as a photoshop texture] which is why I'm not sure if it's an A or a D.) Thanks. Davu.leon (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, no idea. If I could see the document it might might help. BalkanFever 23:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Предмет, perhaps? --SideOnes (talk) 05:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Need some help, pleaseEdit

Hey, I was wondering whether you could help me find a suitable tag for my image of the Loznani soccer team Image:Hajduk footbal team loznani.JPG. Now to give you some info on it, I was the one who took this photo, most of the people in the Photo are related to me while the rest I know. I asked them for permission to allow me to put this photo on the web and its of a national A league soccer team formed in thre village of Loznani, macedonia. Got any suggestions on which tag i should use oh and I allow it to be viewed on the World wide web eg google images. Thank you very much, Batispecela (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC).

AfD nomination of Slavic dialects of GreeceEdit

An article that you have been involved in editing, Slavic dialects of Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slavic dialects of Greece. Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 08:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice to have you aroundEdit

  The Special Barnstar
I award this medal to BalkanFever for his informed and informative contributions to Balkan-related topics and his effort to always stand close to and defend the TRUTH. Although we are on opposite POVs - Macedonian and Bulgarian − it is hard not to notice BalkanFever's neutrality. Lantonov (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Wow. All I can say is мерси много (I hope that's correct). :-) BalkanFever 09:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Моля, напълно заслужено (You are welcome, you deserve it). --Lantonov (talk) 17:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Dziękuję, BallkanFever!Edit

BalkanFever! Thank you. And please allow me wish you the same in kind. Here is my impromptu Chrismas wikicard in Polish, so that you can exercise your Macedonian, or your Polish, and everybody else, their widgets. :)

Dziękuję ślicznie za życzenia, i Tobie Życzę Nawzajem: Szczęśliwego Bożego Narodzenia i Dosiego :) Nowego, wszystkiego, nie tylko Roku. My z kolei, na polski wystrój z rodzinnymi bombkami i uzbieranymi kolorowymi światełkami obciążamy od wielu lat naszą, zasadzona w wielkiej doniczce, leciwą, wybujałą pod sam sufit, norfolk pine (en:Araucaria heterophylla), co stoicznie znosi to z wielkim wdziękiem. A liście to-to ma takie, i wcale podobno sosenką nie jest:

Norfolk pine

Więcej tu: commons:Category:Araucaria heterophylla. :) --Mareklug talk 15:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


Esé, I have an interesting PDF on the history of Bitola I would like to send you. Perhaps you would know the best way to use the information. As the Wikipedia email does not support attachments, please send me your address if you are interested. Happy new year. Aramgar (talk) 18:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

And a joyous one to you too, vato. I would very much like to see this. Remember to check your spam folder if you haven't received my email. Peace, BalkanFever 23:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Czech alphabetEdit

I can also think of a (and), i (as well as), k (to), o (about), s (with), u (at, near). So, along with yours, that would make 8 all together. Yeah, we're a nation of minimalists. :) Why do you ask, is this for the Czech alphabet article or just personal interest? +Hexagon1 (t) 14:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know of many major Romance/Germanic languages which have non-vowels allowed to form syllable nuclei, which would limit all one-letter words in those languages to just the vowels. But of course this is more a question of orthography than phonetics. In English the obvious example is the word I, but I guess Oh would be one were it not for the spelling peculiarities. It may have had something to do with the way words were separated in the Dark Ages, if I were to take an uneducated guess. If you come to any interesting conclusions feel free to drop me a line about your findings. PS: I don't get the right of conquest tag about Melbourne on your user talk top, care to explain? +Hexagon1 (t) 15:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'm in the same time-zone as you, I'm a Sydneysider! A Melburnian on the internets at almost 4am? Are you up watching the inauguration too? Or are you up all night partying and er.. editing the wiki by coincidence? +Hexagon1 (t) 16:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, ha ha. No, I'll be watching it on my LCD big screen, much better than sitting in the 33˚C degree heat fanning yourself with a promotional fan-like object. If only High Definition was of better quality, I can only see every second bead of sweat on their faces... +Hexagon1 (t) 08:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry I'll just waste the TV on downloaded low-quality TV shows anyway before it dies of desperation in a week. Did you manage to catch the inauguration before you fell asleep? It was a pretty good speech, but I'm just glad Bush is gone. :) +Hexagon1 (t) 11:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm positive that in four years time Obama will have lost his mass appeal as much as Rudd slowly has. All we can hope for is that Obama will repeal at least some of the more preposterous laws our American friends have come up with. I'd personally prefer a candidate who acknowledges the fictitiousness of the so-called War on Terror (and its absurd counter-productivity) but you can't have everything (and definitely not as long as Americans are allowed to vote for their own president... :) ). I better get myself to bed before I get fired up over politics and fuming with rage at all the injustices of the world that us young people whinge about, I didn't manage to catch any sleep yesterday. Been a good brief chat, feel free in the future. +Hexagon1 (t) 12:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


My use of "wigger" was a direct response to an obscenity contained in a reference to a rap song, and yet you managed to turn it into a racial slur against an entire ethnic group. Is that really the best you could come up with? I think you need to workshop your Hellenophobia issues. Seriously. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer, Dr. Philippos. Please leave your contact details, dates and fees for the workshops. I look forward to meeting you. BalkanFever 09:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Don't you mean Филип Втори·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Nope. Bye bye now. BalkanFever 09:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Marshall IslandsEdit

hi, sorry for bothering you, i don't like editing that list anymore unless i have a clear argument. Did you understand my reasoning in the edit summary ? Any objections ? --Zakronian (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I think I got it now. In some places that list causes more problems than it gives useful information. BalkanFever 12:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Not coolEdit

Reverting my euphemisms, eh? I gotta watch out for you ;p Köbra | Könverse 00:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

If not me then who else? But I feel bad, so to make it up to you, feel free to revert one edit from here :D BalkanFever 00:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


Can you please take a look at Božinov's vandalism. I asked him not to vandalize and I wrote to FPS but there is still no response. I have added picture and reference from New York Times, but it was obviously against the BG propaganda so I got reverted. Take a look there and give your comments please.-- MacedonianBoy  Oui? 13:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Izgleda deka FP is taking care of it.. Isto taka, I really don't have much time for ušte povekje arguments with Bulgarian nationalists. They have too much cowbell for my liking ;) BalkanFever 03:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Bi sakal da ve pokanam nekade,BF te molam kontaktiraj so mene na mail.

Makedonij (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Not nice.Edit

You might consider reverting yourself here. Fut.Perf. 11:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

That's the first time you've spoken (well, you know what I mean) to me in a while, so I may as well. Is there immunity up for grabs? BalkanFever 11:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, I could perhaps sell you one of these, although they are expensive. It's at least ten paternosters for each day off ARBMAC parole. To be said in Bulgarian. Fut.Perf. 13:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Bulgarian according to whose definition? Because that could be fairly easy or quite hard, depending. BalkanFever 05:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
This was predictable. Fut.Perf. 06:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I see... BalkanFever 06:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Portal imageEdit

Re the reverts here [24], it seems the guy is right, the animation contains images that are non-free. (Independently of he POV issue about the "Ancient Macedonian"-themed image components.) Fut.Perf. 07:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. If Macedonians ever upload a free image, give me a buzz :) BalkanFever 07:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I think Inkubusse had some. And commons:User:BuildMK.... Even MacedonianBoy has uploaded a couple that look legitimate :-) Fut.Perf. 07:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Woohoo! National holiday FTW. BalkanFever 08:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of А1Edit

I have nominated А1 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. JaGatalk 15:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi BF, could you perhaps help us out with the case on my talk page, under Need Assistance? Cheers, Fut.Perf. 06:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


I opened a case about your latest masterpiece. See [25] - I'm really tired of such things constantly repeating. --Laveol T 09:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a question: How come this link (and all the links in your report) are somehow secured? Who is Equifax Secure Inc.? BalkanFever 10:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I missed that. I wasn't editing from my PC and it turned out the computer I used had been blocked for some reason (not Macedonia-related :)) and had to use secure login. --Laveol T 07:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Per WP:AGF and my comments at ANI I am going to suggest that you do not make what may appear to be curses or swear words in non English variant languages on en-WP pages, as the translation software available is unable to indicate the tone used. Going forward, I think it reasonable to assume that any such bad language will be considered as being disruptive no matter what the tone and therefore liable to be taken into account for the purposes of issuing warnings or sanctions. I suggest that you use only English on en-WP, even if responding to persons who write in other languages, just so your comments are not open to being misrepresented. Cheers, LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Under the circumstances (I warned you back in October for profanity) I would confirm that the above is an official level4 warning, that any further infraction may result in a block. If other people swear at you - in whatever language - ignore it or report it, but do not respond in kind. LessHeard vanU (talk) 18:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok, noted. Thank you. BalkanFever 23:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

HI :-)Edit

Hey BalkanFever! Just wanted to thank you for your contribution to the Turks in the Republic of Macedonia article. Have a great day! Turco85 (Talk) 13:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Teşekkür ederim! :) BalkanFever 14:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

yoghurt arrticleEdit

you can find tarator in turkey with the name tarator, cacık is yoghurt + especially cocumber +water —Preceding unsigned comment added by Girayhan (talkcontribs) 23:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip :) BalkanFever 02:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

That time of year again ...Edit

File:Magdalene egg.jpg
Христос Возкресе! PMK1 (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Ten lies of MacedonismEdit

Thanks for your explanation. I hope you are not working as a thumb puppet for FPatS. The author holds an international position in Sofia. This cannot be dismissed. The book is widely circulated in Bulgaria and, to a lesser degree, Republic of Macedonia (where I bought it). So this, I would argue neutralises your comment that there is "no reliable third party sources indicating its notability. only the author promoting it". It is not just the author but an entire state instution of an EU member state. What do you think? Thanks Politis (talk) 11:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't work as a thumb-puppet of FP, I just happen to agree with him here. The fact that it is widely circulated does not "neutralise" anything, I'm afraid. The state institution that published Dimitrov's work is not a third-party, it is an organisation promoting the book, and if it mentions the notability of the book (which I doubt) then it will most likely be overemphasising it. Unless there are (non-Balkan) scholars talking about its specific importance or notability in terms of the Macedonian-Bulgarian conflict, and not just news articles criticising it, the article should be a redirect. BalkanFever 11:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I repeat what I said, there are some world-class scholars from the Balkans (including from the RoM). I happen to agree with you about that guy; there are excellent Bulgarian scholars who just cannot understand why he hold that position in Sofia. But I must consult his book again :-(. By the way, property developers have destroyed some invaluable Constantinian architecture (from the time of Constantine the Great) in Sofia, including a large amphitheatre. Was there anything in the Macedonian press? Politis (talk) 12:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that there was, but I must confess I don't read a wide range of Macedonian newspapers, and generally I don't look at the sections about miscellaneous news of the neighbours. That being said, it is disappointing to hear. I really would like to see what ends up there. Doubt it will be worth it. BalkanFever 12:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you are Macedonian or of Macedonian heritage, or if you love that land (as I do, irrespective of the name issue) make sure the same does not happen in Skopje or Prilep (I am not prying into your background :-)). Property developers are the worst enemies because they turn heritage to dust. According to many Bulgarian scholars, Sofia has lost a major opportunity in becoming an important cultural centre of Constantinian civilisation. Politis (talk) 12:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

What the...?? How come I didn't hear about such a thing. When did it happen. I don't like the current mayor (nor any of the previous for that matter), but I've never heard about it. They discovered some ruins when they were digging for the subway and they're all in the open now in the very condition they found them (trust me on this). --Laveol T 20:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


Hello, BalkanFever. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. . Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 11:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Why thank you, kind sir, for informing me about an ANI that isn't specifically about me :) BalkanFever 11:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
However, you are an "involved party" PMK1 (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Case pagesEdit

... not that I'd terribly mind if my user name is written this or that way, but it's a bit weird to see it done at the behest of an obvious IP troll sock. Who hasn't even done his homework properly. F.A.U.o.F.P.a.S, 11:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, right, on reading the comment again I think I understand it... I just thought it was some not-so-good English. By the way, now that you self-identify as F.A.U.o.F.P.a.S someone's going to have to rename your account. BalkanFever 11:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't self-identify as that, obviously. It's only a provisional reference for use in international organisations. Fut.Perf. (T) 12:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Therefore it's NPOV. Stop pushing your own POV about yourself. Where did you get the idea that users could choose their own names, anyway? BalkanFever 12:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Tsk tskEdit

Don't forget.

You owe me at least 200 leva for saving your ass from the orthography police. Or a big bundle of delicious fruit. [26], [27]

FAUoFPaS (Ж) 13:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I sure hope you mean 200 Ieva. But if not, I think I can still satisfy you. BalkanFever 13:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Elena GheorgheEdit

Не мора апсолутно ништо да ми преведеш, разбирам се англиски....само имам еден проблем коога ќе ја напишам фразата заборавам да ја проверам, па затоа повеќето мислат дека не знам англиски што сметам дека е глупост...Инаку тоа што сум го пишал за тебе било ненамерно сметајќите за анти македонист (сеуште) објасни ми од која националност си ти??? ...кога станува збор за статијата Елена Џорџ веќе не се замарам многу, но сеуште ми е нејасно дали е Македонка или Влаинка односно половина...но се обидувам да направам неки правилности на оваа воопшто не неутрална википедија...Позззз User:1111tomica (User talk:1111tomica)

ахха мило ми е што си Австралиски МАКЕДОНЕЦ пред се...не знам по грешка имав сватено дека си против Македонија, нот тоа ќе го заборавиме ...Инаку за Елена Ѓорѓе пак може да нпишеме дека е Влаинка од Македонија т.е. за нејзниниот татко...Инаку сериозно мора да се зборува за неутралноста на арткилите на англиската википедиа кога станува збор сакам да кажам за Македонските артикли, толку личности се направени Бугари и Грци, а всушност се Македонци и тоа многу ме нервира...истотака и за Историјата на Македонија...Историјата на Македонија на англиската википедиа започнува од Националното Будење ...зарем не е ли мизерно тоа ??? Навситина тешко е да се превземе нешто бидејќи Грчкото и Бугарското лоби и пропаганда се многу силни, но имаме ли шанси да направиме нешто??? ПОЗЗЗ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1111tomica (talkcontribs) 13:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


Can you revise your last posting at the arb case? Arb clerks are in block-anything-that-moves-if-it's-the-least-bit-impolite mood. Just a friendly recommendation. Fut.Perf. 15:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Why does everyone focus so much on impoliteness and "incivility" rather than the actual problem? When the exact same "arguments"/"evidence"/"proposals" come up, in full, multiple times, from the same user or group of users, there is no plausible way for any response to be perfectly "polite", or considered 100% "civil". Perhaps even this comment here will get me a block... By the way you may want to add that guy with the single crimson boot to your list of editors turning away in exasperation. BalkanFever 15:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
йa дук тнэмьк но тад таб нед йа дув илбьборп иб тколб флесйам. Fut.Perf. 16:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmm...Ти смис киал килирис лиув илаучневе лиевирп за ед юн нитиар гуов ни икиув he he he. За роф нитег тколб, иа тнедув ироув чам фи иа рев ю. Лоретфа, нау нак тег иева диув радръм зиедуан. Ти зуог диув туа ниес тад ед ифок ношиетивни зи литс но. За роф ю фиба, иа дув илдалг раъш a tzatziki (“not sasiki”) дув ю фи ю реве непах ут порд иаб. But seriously now, we ’ll definitely have to sit apart.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 09:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Σαιταργ ιβιτ ωγα εμισσικιμα ρεπ μενωιτατιfνι δα μεδεφφοκ. Ας φωρ δη αδερ θιγγ, "συμινα τιδερ μυμηδ κγυν. ερεκατ μαυq ικισιfιλβο τεσσε ετατσετοπ αρτσον νι ματ ις συμησσιδιδρεπ εκωf μυκ μασπι ευqουq μαιρομεμ. Ετυτιfρες νι διυq, σον ατι, τεσσε ετατρεβιλ νι μυμιτλυ διυq τιδιf σατια συτεf τυκις τε μυτνεμυκοδ ιαιτνειταπ εδναργ ωτκεφορπ συμιδηδ." Fut.Perf. 10:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Πληζ σι τζε. Μειμπε γιου σουντ μπρασ απ ον ιορ σιριλικ :) BalkanFever 10:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Επορπ κνυον μυοταdναμ μυουοτ ινεβνι. Ογκε εβκοβκ ιμπιτ σαιταργκ οκγα εμιτπο εκιμα ορπ οσνοπσερ ουοτ ορεγγυοσ , ντεσ ιλον ικσιβιλμπο τνοβκ "ουδ ουιοπ συοριακ ουτ νιεγελ, η ιρεπ νω αθσιο σωφασ, η ιρεπ νω νοιακγανα νιεπιε. Νε σοιτουτ ραγ σοινομ ο σογολ στη σηγισ νωττιερκ, νε εδ σοιτ σοιλλα νονιεμα ναγισ η νιεγελ" Oh, and thanks for the tip fever. I' ll keep that in mind--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


You are banned for 24 hours for this edit from all case pages related to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2. Rlevse was very clear in his warning that no further nonsense will be tolerated. There is no need to question or insinuate "that at least three of the most involved parties...didn't even know this was was the original dispute." As there are more than 1,000 kilobytes of text concerning the subject, and as this case has lasted weeks, the edit was disruptive, pointy, and only served to inflame the situation. The 24 ban starts at my signature time and ends 24 hours from then. KnightLago (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually no, that was not my intention. Considering the very fact that the vast majority of that 1,000 kilobytes is actually focussing on ChrisO's move and the result, rather than the collective stonewallling, I felt it relevant to make the remark. Because if they didn't know in the first place, how could they "lose sight"? Shadowmorph cleared it up, he moved on. So did I. John Carter never responded. The only thing that inflamed the situation was SQRT. But of course your job is to protect the likes of him from everyone else's "incivility". Have fun with your circus. BalkanFever 05:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Cool it, bro, cool it! That's the price we have to pay for encyclopaedicity. At least you're not "batshit crazy". You have to work years for that shit, and earn your Webeloes and shit. All we have to do now is wait for our betters to cast the judgment, yo. Aramgar (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah, so that's how it be goin' down in this neckothewoodz. I'll chill ma pills for the allotted 24. Hopefully our betters will tear this shit up, nah mean? BalkanFever 06:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
F to tha Y to tha R of the mothafukkin' M, homeboy. Kafka Liz (talk) 07:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh no you di-int! BalkanFever 07:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Word. [28]. Terrorist fist bump. Kafka Liz (talk) 05:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Boo-ya! BalkanFever 09:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to note that John Carter did respond in case you didn't notice, saying "you are clearly and obviously in error". After all John Carter was first called into Talk:Greece by Future Perfect back then and didn't appear only after. As for myself, I couldn't present evidence about Talk:Greece since I wasn't around and others more knowledgeable of that case covered it. Besides it is not anyone's fault that ChrisO's move overshadowed that case. Shadowmorph ^"^ 07:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't see that. I wonder if the last part of his comment is the type of insinuation and disruption that the arbs issue blocks for. BalkanFever 07:45, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


"Fauofpas"? The way you addressed me, I'll have to change my username again. FauЖ pas () 18:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's the name that's least offensive to me. Srsly, try to compromise. BalkanFever 03:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:Naming conventions (common names)#Do not overdo itEdit

About this[29]: I understand your point. However I just quoted the policy. The policy talks about any name and any group. It doesn't say that it is applicable only when a title is offending to the subject of the title. It says "one or more groups of people". I am not going to re-add for now, but what was that "long ago" thing referring to? Shadowmorph ^"^

Consider the quoted policy also speaks of "misleading" titles and disambiguation pages. I am going to add that part only. Shadowmorph ^"^ 12:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Back before your time, a legendary group of Greek nationalists used the argument that "Republic of Macedonia" is offensive to Greeks and therefore we should use "FYROM" instead. Don't remember if they cited that policy, but nobody took the argument seriously. Your edit just reminded me of that. BalkanFever 05:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


I'm not sure if this [30] is very pertinent – it seems to presuppose acceptance of the claim that "f.Y...." in fact is the most commonly used name, which I guess is hardly the mainstream argument, is it? Fut.Perf. 16:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, you're right. Would you allow me to quote the convenient parts of the phrase, like some of our friends have done in the past? :D BalkanFever 16:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
And you might want to see the section immediately above. They're not my words anyway... BalkanFever 16:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I'll rework it a bit. Just don't blame me afterwards for breaking some revert limitation or something ;-) Fut.Perf. 16:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Go ahead :) BalkanFever 16:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Peter DobrevEdit

Thank you for helping out with the spammer. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 05:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I'll be on the lookout in case he pops up again. BalkanFever 05:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Civility in Macedonia centralized discussionEdit

Please have a look at my request [31] concerning your comment on the Macedonia centralized discussion. I hope you'll be able to respect my wishes. --Radjenef (talk) 12:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Straight 'A'sEdit

Excuse me, I noticed that your "preferential voting" for Macedonia, seems to full of 'A's. It would have been 5 'A's if i haven't raised some reasonable shortcomings of one of the "A proposals" so that Future then subsequently added a "C proposal". Now since you are a declared ethnic Macedonian, one could claim a correlation exists between the ordering of the proposals and the preferences of the particular POV you align too. But I do believe its true that "correlation doesn't imply causation"; so this comment is just a herringόpita served with spagghetti and meatballs. Delicious :-) (i.e: ignore this comment). Shadowmorph ^"^

P.S. I would however appreciate it if you included at least a minimum amount of "second choices", you know, so that no one can say that you give the appearance of "stonewalling". Shadowmorph ^"^ 12:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:D. That was just initial. I see that I didn't actually say that anywhere, so it's my fault. I'm reading through each proposal more closely now to see what my second choices (if any) would be. About correlations, see who likes G... BalkanFever 12:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Well GK1973 is straight 'B's so the joke's on me for the most of that :)
If you look closely you will see much difference of opinion among who you have been perceiving as a solid block. You may have also realized by now that I am a wiki-pragmatist; If we were voting on naming proposals to be discussed in the reality of the issue rather than wikiality (governed by the archons of wiki-methodocracy) would expect my votes to be way different than the ones I presented now. :-) Shadowmorph ^"^ 12:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Nah don't worry I don't think I ever said the bloc was solid ;) What sets you apart is you can actually differentiate between reality and wiki-ality :) BalkanFever 13:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
(hey, did you check out my userpage recently?). I hope the Wikipedia community will get up and stop editing the page Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen for enough time to actually read and participate in the next phase. If all else is futile, raising awareness is a good thing. I want to see how this saga will continue. Shadowmorph ^"^ 13:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I, for one, would like Optimus Prime to contribute :P BalkanFever 13:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


Thanks Balkan, and don't worry about confusing us! There is no offence from me being taken in someone confusing me with Ev; he is a very good editor from what I've seen, and he generally does not get involved with the "heavy" content, he is more concerned with the style of the pages and keeping things non-POV. It might be more damaging to him if people confuse us, especially if I am condemned to the "Block" and he ends up getting it by mistake! :) But that won't happen.
My explanation - not being Ev - was directed mainly at Fairness, to whom my message was also aimed. He and Metrospex (possibly the same user?) are the ones currently creating controversy by trying to "raise the profile" of Noel Malcolm, a comedian who hides behind a "historian" facade. My own criticism is not towards ethnic Albanians, nor their politicians, but only the works of this author. Thanks for your words of encouragement, and well done on your own contributions acorss the site. Best wishes. Evlekis (talk) 14:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to let you know that I have reported Interestedinfairness here. --Cinéma C 18:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks/děkuji/merci/hvala for the update :) BalkanFever 04:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


[32] Don't please, thank you, and yes, I am sure there was some claim involved which you felt was ridiculous, and perhaps it was but it doesn't matter, and you know that. Prodego talk 03:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Better I tell him that now. If he stops the personal attacks, I'll have no reason to attack him. BalkanFever 03:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


еј здраво ... ми треба твоја подршка за артиклот Macedonia Timeless. До сега немаше никаков проблем, но еден од корисниците на википедија нашол голема содржина на „ненеутралност“ според него и бе те замолил да ме подржиш на страницата за разоовор . пиши брзо и голем поззз. 1111tomica (talk) 22:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 22:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Добро, ќе видам :) BalkanFever 02:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

еј не знам дали виде напишав на discussion page - от, но почетниот дел на Macedonia Timeless не е добар затоа што не се сите видеa во продукција на Сенка филм... те молам поправи ... Поззззз 1111tomica (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Еве замена за врската со Сител кога станува збор за Macedonia Timeless Охрид ги најдов на МИА ( ,а еве за Храмовите ( а инакау мислам дека сепак композитор на песната е Кирил Џајковски и песната е Учи ме мајко карај ме. И фала ти за поправката на статијата. Би сакал да те прашам лош ми е англискиот??? Бидечќи скоро се што виде пред тоа беше напишано од моја страна :) !!! Aјде поззз 1111tomica (talk) 08:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 08:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Political views on the Macedonian languageEdit

Please see this. Thank you. -- (talk) 09:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Was already looking at it, but thanks anyway. BalkanFever 09:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Glagolitic AlphabetEdit

Why exactly did you revert my edit? The Greek "Β" and Latin "V" are identical in sounds. Kostantino888Z (talk) 18:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with "sounds". It is about the origin of the Glagolitic letter. The source, The dawn of Slavic by A.M Schenker, says that the letter may have originated from Latin V, because of the similarities in shape. BalkanFever 03:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that then :) Kostantino888Z (talk) 04:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. Have a nice day :) BalkanFever 04:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Cyrillic PolishEdit

Hey. I notice you also had an Cyrillic orthography for the Polish language. Mine's very similar to yours, save for a few details. I actually started it out about a year ago. You may remember I even requested a Wikipedia in Cyrillic Polish, but I was unfamiliar with the guidelines at the time. You can see for yourself and comment / compliment it, or give the advantages or the disadvantages. Click this link to visit my page on Cyrillic Polish! IlStudioso 09:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

That's a pretty good version I must say. I see how you've used only current letters as opposed to some of my deprecated ones, and how you go about other "problems" in orthography like nasals. Thanks for the link :) BalkanFever 04:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Love the Polish Cyrillic idea! I created an Anglo-Cyrillic alphabet a few years ago, mainly for passing around secret codes in English. After seeing the success of Polsko-Cyrillic, I might as well post it, though it doesn't work as well as with Polish, since English is not Slavic and so the alphabet is purely phonetic. --Solkovskyj (talk) 17:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKIEdit

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the Macedonian language transwiki project and French language transwiki project (to help you learn French!!). The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from each wikipedia (and anywhere else) and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge and to improve existing articles by translation. We need your help, your language skills are crucial! Also if you are interested in the Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian projects you might be interested in those too. If you know anybody who might be interested please pass the message on! Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, Blofeld. I also realised that my French skills have greatly improved since when I put that template on my userpage :) Will definitely pass this on to some of the users more active at mk wiki.. BalkanFever 08:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome! I'll put your name down for the Macedonian work group anyway. Yes let as many people know, I'm sure many have shared interests to improve coverage of the Balkan countries in the english world so translators will be needed. Then there will be the freedom to request articles within the project sapce. The idea is that we go through categories on a different wikipedia and root out the missing articles.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. BalkanFever 08:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


If you are still around, you attention to the Bitola article would be appreciated. Thanks in many languages, Kafka Liz (talk) 23:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Local Hero added a source so I guess anything more from Mr. Minority could be deleted as vandalism. I'll try keep an eye out, but I'm quite slow these days ;) BalkanFever 07:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Friedrich KellnerEdit

I just sent you an email, but in case it does not get through to you, I thought I should write to you here, as well. I am hoping you can help me with the Friedrich Kellner article, to translate it into Macedonian. I have a condensed version of the article that I can send to you (about 1500 words). Thank you, Scott 03:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)Rskellner (talk)

Radmila ŠekerinskaEdit

Is there any particular reason you placed the IPA stress for the penult rather than antepenult? -- (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

To match the audio, which was recorded by a native speaker. BalkanFever 10:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Free Rim Jobs!Edit

What up? How are you? Beam 12:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

  • Zdravey az sum nov tuk i moyat angliyski ne e mnogo silen.Moje li da mi pomognesh?razbirash li Turski?--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 12:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
What? Beam 04:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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Czech CyrillicEdit

Do you have a Czech Cyrillic alphabet?

--Kyuzoaoi (talk) 17:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to all Macedonian users to create an art. on Igor Janev on English WikipediaEdit

This is an invitation to all Macedonian users to create an art. on Igor Janev (at English Wikipedia), please see Talk Page

Furher see sources [33]


He is professor in Macedonia , member of NYAS, he publ. 160 scholarly art., 17 books in Int. Law, Foreign policy and Diplomacy. He discovered the ULTRA VIRES act of UN in the process of admission of Macedonia in UN (published in AJIL, Vol.93. no 1.)--16:51, 11. april 2014 (CEST) or at MINA : or


or his contribution to US recognition of Macedonia under Republic of Macedonia

Furthermore Macedonian media shocked on attempt to delete Janev from Wikipedia


See : see cit.

ULTRA VIRES act of UN organs is relevant, see , When we say US, p. 845, note 28. G. Ivanov, "Recalling that the International Court of Justice 1948 advisory opinion had determined that placing additional criteria on United Nations membership contravened the United Nations Charter", Thomas D. Grant, Admission to the United Nations, Martinus pub. , pp. 203-212

Regards to all! - (talk) 07:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to all mac. users to create an art. on Igor Janev on Eng. WikipediaEdit

Invitation to all mac. users to create an art. on Igor Janev, please see

Furher see sources [38]


He is famous Univ. professor in Macedonia , member of NYAS, he publ. 160 scholarly art., 17 books in Int. Law, Foreign policy and Diplomacy. He discovered the ULTRA VIRES act of UN in the process of admission of Macedonia in UN (published in AJIL, Vol.93. no 1.)--16:51, 11. april 2014 (CEST) or at MINA : or


or his contribution to US recognition of Macedonia under Republic of Macedonia

Furthermore Macedonian media shocked on attempt to delete Janev from Wikipedia


See : see cit.

ULTRA VIRES act of UN organs is relevant , When we say US, p. 845, note 28. G. Ivanov, "Recalling that the International Court of Justice 1948 advisory opinion had determined that placing additional criteria on United Nations membership contravened the United Nations Charter", Thomas D. Grant, Admission to the United Nations, Martinus pub. , pp. 203-212

Neotarf suggested that art. on Name issue (at eng. Wikipedia) should be updatedEdit

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Hello how do you know Aromanian ? Are you of ancestry or just an interest ? Kp4816 (talk) 15:05, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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