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Latest comment: 14 years ago by CelticWonder in topic RantMedia to stay in Wikipedia

New Equipment category for IGI 2

Hi there! Saw you as a IGI 2 contributor and thought I'd show you my latest work. A virtually complete weapons list! See I.G.I.-2:_Covert_Strike#Weapons_in_the_Game

Please message me on my page for any feedback! Thanks. --Tomjenkins52 (talk) 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

FPaS RFC

As a participant in the recent discussion at WP:ANI, I thought you should be informed of the new RFC that another user has started regarding FPaS's behavior.

Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 17:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Chess Kids

Hi anetode

When you moved Chess Kids to the corrected version of the page title from its previous title at Chess kids, it seems that the link in the AfD template on the article's page got broken.

I think the AfD is still listed under the older title of Chess kids. I don't know how to repair the link so I thought you might want to take a look at it.

Have a good one... --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 07:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, the links are fixed now. I'm impressed by your contribution to the article, it was why I re-listed the debate. The article was hanging on by a thread but now I think it stands a good chance in the second round of AfD. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment; glad I could help with a bit of research for the article. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 08:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Heather Chadwell

Hey, do you mind if I ask what you meant when you said the nominator "essentially contesting his (sic) own decision"? I tried to look at the diff, but I can't since I'm not an administrator. The only thing I could figure out was that you were saying that I had removed the prod tag myself, but I think it was an IP user who did that. Anyway, please let me know, as I don't want to waste anybody's time. Movingboxes (talk) 08:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The first edit after the article's inception was you tagging it with {{notability}}. I found it kind of ironic that you nominated an article for deletion that would have been speedied if you would have chosen to tag it with {{db-a7}} instead :) Sorry about the link - it's broken even for admins, so I've appended the closure with an explanation. Cheers, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I guess I'm confused. I felt an assertion of notability was made (she was a television personality), so I didn't think it was appropriate to speedy it. However, I never felt it met WP:BIO. Should I have tagged it for a speedy? Movingboxes (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
It was a judgment call. A couple of tricks I learned from new page patrol included checking the deletion log to see if the article was previously deleted and searching Google, Google news, and Google books to see if the assertion of notability can be substantiated. What you did was certainly not inappropriate. In borderline cases the admin will review an article prior to speedy deletion anyway. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deconfliction

As the closing Nom, you noted that the discussion about sourcing had "stretched to the point of irrelevance". I can understand your statement, as such "stretching" can happen when editors on opposing sides in a disucssion have different interpretation of guidelines under policy. This aside, and as the film itself is still cycling through festivals, I believe that it will eventually have greater support for its notability. I have thus saved the article in my sandbox so I might continue working to improve it. When I think it has the strength to survive, I would like to be able to return it. I will not rush it back. I will not return it unless or until all concerns discussed at the AfD have been addressed... and this may take many months. Any advice you can offer in how it might at that future time avoid being rushed into a 2nd AfD would be appreciated. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 17:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I saved the article in a sandbox and will keep abreast of news and continue to tweak the article itself as I wait for news about the film gaing a touch more notabilty. Thanks for the encouragement. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:1934kwanon.png

 

A tag has been placed on Image:1934kwanon.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I8 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is available as a bit-for-bit identical copy on the Wikimedia Commons under the same name, or all references to the image on Wikipedia have been updated to point to the title used at Commons.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on [[ Talk:Image:1934kwanon.png|the talk page]] explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Sdrtirs (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:COI

Hello Anetode. You might want to comment at Template talk:COI#recent edits, since another editor has questioned your removal of the word 'may' from the language of the warning. It is not easy to be certain that the article's main editor has a COI. (Might just be an enthusiast rather than a conflicted person). Is there a nice way of saying, 'You are editing like a person with a COI?'

The language of {{uw-coi}} is very good, in my opinion, though that is for User talk rather than articles. What about:

It may be reasonably inferred that a major contributor to this article has a conflict of interest with the article subject

Too wordy perhaps. EdJohnston (talk) 16:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Pensioners Party (Scotland)

Can I ask why you merged that article? Looking at the figures in the AfD vote, there was not a majority for a merger.--MacRusgail (talk) 15:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC) p.s. Comments here.

Re User_talk:Beetstra#.7B.7Buser:EncyofAL.7D.7D

I answered on my talkpage. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Incidents Page

I noted your post on the Administrator's noticeboard and I thought I should explain some things. I don't know why the closing of those AfDs was "trolling", the pages in questions met Wikipedia's policies for inclusion. And about the user page... that was some fun, lighten up a little :) Message from XENUu, t 18:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:MKArcGP.jpg

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Minneapolis Meetups

Town Hall Brewery
maps.google.com
1430 Washington Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55454
(612) 339-8696
October 11, 2008
Saturday at 12:00 noon (midday)
Meetup RSVP
Muddy Waters
maps.google.com
2401 Lyndale Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55405
(612) 872-2232
October 10, 2008
Friday at 10:00 PM (at night)
Alternate meetup RSVP

Hope you can make it. Feel free to pass along these invitations. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Heh

Immortalized, I see? J.delanoygabsadds 16:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

  Hello Anetode. Thank you very much for your support in my recent Request for Adminship, which was successful with 111 supports, 0 opposes, and 0 neutral. I have to say I am more than a little overwhelmed by this result and I greatly appreciate your trust in me. I will do my best to use the tools wisely. Thanks again. Regards. Thingg 01:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I just read the above section. O_o rofl that pic is hilarious. Thingg 01:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Request deleted article info

Hi. I would like to request a copy of the article The Shipwrek. This is an article related to the university of illinois at Champagne. (Never made such a request before, so I'm not sure what the options are. A subpage on my talkpage would be prefered.) Thank you in advance. --Firefly322 (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Request for help to solve a deadlock

Hi, I and one of my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of bias on a controversial topic Operation Blue Star, the summary of dispute can be found at [1], please let us know your views so that we can solve the dispute amicably. Thanks LegalEagle (talk) 01:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Got a problem

Account created solely to troll. Enigma message 09:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

 Y blocked Man, why can't people own up to their opinions instead of sniping from the side? ˉˉanetode╦╩ 09:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Dunno. Glad you're around. I was beginning to wonder how many times I was going to have to revert this guy. Heh. Thanks. You might've noticed that he created Caspian blue watch 2 and that got blocked as well. Enigma message 09:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
By the way, you may want to change your block to match Fut Per's block. He didn't disable autoblock, and also blocked e-mail, talk page, and account creation. I guess it's the same underlying IP, but can't hurt. Enigma message 09:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I forgot to turn off account creation, but FPaS' block should take care of the IP. Cheers, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 09:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow Enigma message 09:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
That's getting ridiculous. I've locked down AN/I for an hour, give the user a chance to calm down ˉˉanetode╦╩ 09:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, just noticed the semi-protection. Thanks! Hopefully that'll keep it at bay until some more users come online. I started a Request for Checkuser. Enigma message 09:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Like your image

On your page, very nice. Yes, you really got to wonder sometimes. I am not a computer geek and was wondering how you created that image and made it small like that. Anytime i want to take a picture all i do is press print screen and paste it onto Microsoft Paint. It doesn't end up such a good quality. I dont know if you have Windows, if so can you give some helpful hints? I would appreciate it very much kindly. I also like the watch that you had on your page, very nice. Cheers 220.239.47.163 (talk) 12:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page :) BigDuncTalk 12:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Last Alliance (band)

I saw you reverted my edits to Last Alliance (band) and would like to ask you what place those infoboxes have on the band's article. DARTH PANDAduel 06:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Might I mention that I contributed the large majority of those images to begin with? All of those infoboxes were part of singles or articles that went through AfD and were merged because of a lack of WP:RS. I'd love to fix these and make them into actual articles, but nobody is letting me. DARTH PANDAduel 14:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, most of the sources are in Japanese, which I cannot read or understand. However, I will go do some research and see if there is any material available to constitute articles. Thanks for your help! DARTH PANDAduel 19:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 
Ready the rotisseries; the Fat Man is coming home!

A feast in my honor

Thank you! On December 20th, the community is invited to stop editing and to celebrate the Fat Man's triumph over wickedness with an orgy of flesh, fish and fowl. --The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 06:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Casliber oppose

I am approaching you because you seem a reasonable fellow. If you're uncomfortable discussing your ACE vote, feel free to revert me here. Don't we need people like you describe in your oppose on the Arbcom? For too long, a majority of the committee members seemed to be professional politicos. Casliber doesn't seem this way--and as you've described him, he is not this way--yet you oppose? Curiosity kills the cat, yes, but I still must ask: why? S.D.D.J.Jameson 15:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your response. While I disagree with your rationale, I can certainly understand your position. S.D.D.J.Jameson 14:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Microtac image

What exactly did you do? I see that the color has been balanced?

RE: AN

Go for it.--Tznkai (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:The Physics of Meaning.gif)

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Ubu Roi

I don't see any reason why both images can't be in the article: the first edition cover you linked to is definitely appropriate for the lead image, while Jarry's vision of Ubu is certainly worth including as well. Feel free to add the first edition cover. Cheers! 23skidoo (talk) 05:11, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

  • PS - you might want to check the template you're using when you delete images. According to my watchlist the Ubu Roi book cover image was deleted with the notice "Speedy deleted per CSD I7, was an image with an invalid fair use rationale and the uploader was notified more than 48 hours ago." This is in fact incorrect as the book image had a proper use rationale, and in addition I was not notified. This was obviously an unintended message, and obviously I have no objection to a first edition image replacing a later edition, but you might want to check you're citing the right template on the Edit Summary. Cheers! 23skidoo (talk) 05:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Air and Simple Gifts image

Thanks for your help with the image! I feel bad bothering you again, but I was just wondering, would you be able (when you have a free moment) to also upload an screenshot from a point when it's focused in on McGill (the clarinetist), to use in the Anthony McGill article, which doesn't yet have an image? Politizer talk/contribs 05:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Since you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Idol Hot 100 singles, the first AfD for American Idol Hot 100 singles, I thought you should be aware that it was brought up at Afd for a second time Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Idol Hot 100 singles (2nd nomination). Aspects (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Previous Deletion of WPARanormal

You previously deleted my article on WPARanormal following a debate on notability back in July 2007. Since then the hosts have written and published 3 books by two seperate publishers. I would like to republish the article sighting this new notability, any objections? If not how do I go about doing that? Wantmy442 (talk) 05:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

 
Hello, Anetode. You have new messages at Staffwaterboy's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Staffwaterboy Critique Me Guestbook Hate Comments 00:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Block request

Hello Anetode. I would like to know if you could spare a minute to block three accounts per checkuser evidence, found here? If you decided to block, can you please leave a message on that case, in the admin section specifying this? Thank you. :) Synergy 21:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Request unprotection

I have requested that Template:Memoryalpha be Semi-protected or Un-protected over at the requests for unprotection. The rationale is that no other similar templates in Category:Wikia templates have protection... Memoryalpha appears to have been protected due to a 2007 edit war, and I think it's safe to reduce the protection level now. Thanks! LobStoR (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

requested template modification

Please see request at: Template talk:Wikia#Requested modification. Thanks! LobStoR (talk) 15:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Wikia is currently BROKEN. This is a requested repair, as your full-protect has locked us into a non-functional template that is "in use on thousands of pages" - not just a simple feature request. Please act expediently. LobStoR (talk) 16:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Without meaning to pester (I'm terribly sorry about this!), the version you just reverted to is still broken. See discussion, and refer to examples given in the documentation to see the still-broken links. Thanks for your time on this. LobStoR (talk) 16:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

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reversion of WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg

Why did you revert File:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg ? None of the non free rationals cited refer to a low resolution version being necessary. Hohum (talk) 00:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the clear explanation. Fair enough. Hohum (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Maximum Bob pictures

Hi there! Regarding [2] [3] [4], can you please post some links to or upload the pictures you are talking of? Thanks! BTW: File:Bob Barnum Maximum Bob.jpg is not replacable, since all pictures from the TV show are non-free. Why did you tag File:Maximum Bob Deli Creeps.jpg twice? Is it double "evil"? --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 16:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

The whole TV appearance thing is kind of moot since all these screencaps do is provide the viewer with a visual likeness of Bob. They are considered replaceable because he is still alive and touring, so it shouldn't be that hard to get someone to take a couple of snapshots of him under a free license. And yes, this goes doubly for File:Maximum Bob Deli Creeps.jpg >:) ˉˉanetode╦╩ 16:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if he's still alive. Do you have any proof for this? Last time I talked to him on a message board was some months ago. Of course I hope he's still doing well, don't get me wrong on this. Also he is not touring anymore for some four years (he was last active in 2005). We did a lot of research on the topic since November 2008 and did ask on every known fan board for free pictures but couldn't find even one. At least one of those pictures should survive to illustrate the topic. I can try to contact him, maybe we'll get permission to use the two pics from the homepage. But I don't like to contact him just for this, since he usually stays out of the public as much as he can. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 17:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, within the context of Wikipedia's image policies, the term replaceable also includes the possibility of creating a free alternative. I understand that he is a private person, however it is his public persona and musical achievements which make him notable and are the foundation for any biography. It is likely that publicity stills of Maximum Bob were made by one of the record companies, or that the photographs you can find online can be traced back to a photographer willing to release them under a free license. Also, if you'd rather not bother the artist, I could send him a polite template request on behalf of Wikipedia. This is surely a chore, but an admin or image patroller would have stumbled on to these screencaps sooner or later, and Wikipedians have had very good luck in securing content for free use (see, for instance User:Videmus Omnia/Free Images). Cheers, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 17:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a mail address so I only can contact him on the message board. But I'll do my best. Could I please have a bit more time than just two days? --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 17:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I don't have control over exactly when these images will be deleted and it would be dishonest to simply remove the tags. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 17:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Why not open a XfD case? --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 18:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Most images up for deletion never make it to WP:IFD. I suppose these can be grouped in a nomination, but that would only waste time if you're not actually going to contest the deletions. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 18:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I actually contest the deletion of all three images, because I think one or two pics to illustrate the topic are justified under FU. They can be removed as soon as free ones are available of course. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 19:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
That's not how things work according to Wikipedia policies. Frankly, contest or not, you have about zilch chance of keeping these images indefinitely. If you wish to waste your time by contesting the deletions, add {{di-replaceable fair use disputed|Your reason why a free replacement can not be found or created}} to each image description page. Again, sorry, but them's the breaks ˉˉanetode╦╩ 19:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

request for change of status

Hi there I've been working on the piece about Atlantic Philanthropies to resolve any perceived conflict of interest. I think it's more aligned to the neutral point of view now and I would therefore like to tear down the "advertorial" flags. Perhaps I don't need your permission but I'd like to clarify that with you please. rgds Larry T. Farrell (talk) 00:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

self importance is our greatest enemy

I like that... I have been tagged on an article I've been working on for - lets just call it substandard content.

As this is my first time on Wikipedia, I want to say, I appreciate the feedback. I personally think it's very important to listen to constructive feedback. It makes me a better editor and other things.

I will endeavor to improve the article immediately. Medium term, I would like to undo any negative tags as soon as possible.

Long term I would like it to be as good as it can possibly be because AP is as an organization has a mission to do good, so thanks. LTF Larry T. Farrell (talk) 02:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Thank you so much for your friendly welcome. It feels good to be welcomed when you are a newbie to a great project like this. :-) FAUoFPaS (Ж) 12:47, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

inanity

Yep. Try not to use rollback on stuff like that though, it's likely in (twisted and clueless) good faith. Not saying you abused RB, however :) Gwen Gale (talk) 14:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I did. I checked out the article before checking out the talkpage and the recent changes seemed blatantly racist. To give some context, anti-slavism is primarily studied by two groups: WWII historians and white supremacists. Watch out for sockpupets. Cheers ˉˉanetode╦╩ 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok, as I hinted, I wasn't too worried about it. I've already blocked a sock and have blocked him 31 hours for edit warring. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Chevy pre-1976 image

Hello Anetode. User:Vegavairbob let me know that you deleted File:1976 Monza Towne Coupe.jpg, and it looks like a deletion outside of policy. Your edit summary says "Speedy deleted per CSD F9, was an image that was a suspected copyright infringement, and the uploader didn't assert public domain, fair use, or a free license.", but the uploader did assert public domain. Such images should be listed at WP:PUF instead. In this case, I believe the image to be public domain for the reasons stated on the image description page. I would like to restore the image, and I welcome further discussion about this. – Quadell (talk) 14:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. There are many more images like this in your deletion logs. Please stop speedily-deleting pre-1978 images tagged as {{PD-Pre1978}}. These are not blatant infringements. – Quadell (talk) 14:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Drunkfish.png

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RantMedia to stay in Wikipedia

As you were previously involved in AfD discussions regarding RantMedia and Sean Kennedy (Author), I respectfully request your attendance to the current Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RantMedia. I believe there have been MANY productive responses to concerns on past AfD's, but some still don't seem to agree. If there is any way you can think of improving the article, or contributing to the current AfD, I would appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time. ₪— CelticWonder (T·C) 16:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC) "