User talk:A1Cafel/Archive 2
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Relisting
May I ask you to back off from relisting discussions at RfD? You continue to relist several discussions that don't need to be relisted. I am also afraid you aren't conducting the proper due diligence by reading the discussions ahead of time to determine whether or not there is a consensus, given you relisted eight(!) discussions on 2019 May 13 within the span of a minute. Courtesy ping to Xezbeth, who has also expressed concern about your relisting today. -- Tavix (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Savannah
@B dash: Hi there. I just wanted to say thank you for all the excellent news articles you have managed to find for damages related to the Cyclone Savannah disaster in Indonesia! I think it's marvellous that you've been able to unearth this many sources. I have no idea how you did it—I couldn't find any when I did some Google searching last week. I have extended the damages section in the Savannah article, incorporating information from the references you found. Something I should clarify is that the fatality total for Savannah is actually 10, not 12. The article regarding the two deaths in Madiun actually states that the deaths were unrelated to the flooding event, and were simply due to illness (according to the police chief, I believe). I have mentioned this fact in the article (the sentence talking about not being able to be buried because of the flooded cemetery). Once again, thanks for all your work here. If you find any other sources with damage numbers, be sure to let me know so I can write it up! ChocolateTrain (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
A Barnstar for you!
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| You are most deserving of this! Thank you for your work providing so many references for damage totals and flooding impacts relating to the Cyclone Savannah disaster in Indonesia. Great effort! ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:02, 26 May 2019 (UTC) |
June 2019 WPTC Newsletter
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Replaced Photos
B dash, we both tend to work with a lot of US Federal Government photo sources from Flickr, so I see our work overlapping a lot, which is fine and totally par for the course. I notice however, that recently you seem to be replacing a few of the photos I've uploaded with similar versions that you uploaded. Most recently, I saw you replaced the TIP heroes group photo shot with a very similar one that also shows Ivanka Trump, which to me is entirely beside the point in illustrating the article. Many changes, like this one, are done without an edit summary, so it's not clear to me what advantage you see in adding a Trump to the photo or the like. I'm fine with having my photos replaced with better ones, but I have trouble seeing the logic in some recent swaps. If there is some reason you are replacing these, please let me know. If there is not some general reason, I'd request that you use edit summaries to indicate that you replaced a photo, and why the new photos are superior. MarginalCost (talk) 22:00, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Ways to improve Wooferendum
Hello, B dash,
Thanks for creating Wooferendum! I edit here too, under the username Newslinger and it's nice to meet you :-)
I wanted to let you know that I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:-
Thanks for creating this article! Please note that Metro is considered generally unreliable, and it should ideally be replaced with a more reliable source.
The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Newslinger}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ . For broader editing help, please visit the Teahouse.
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— Newslinger talk 02:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
[1]: no, the time of photo from Moscow (00:10:53 local time (UTC+3) or 21:10:53) is correct. Because I made the photo, and it wasn't 00:23 (21:23 UTC), when I did it. =) Also you can visit https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/russia/moscow and see than the forms of Moon, visible from Moscow, at 21:11 and 21:23 are different. --Brateevsky (talk to me) 08:31, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Nomination of Megan Abrigo for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Megan Abrigo is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megan Abrigo until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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TD Jenny
Please look at reliable sources such as PAGASA before reverting other users, as TD Jenny is already named. If you continue to do this, I will report you for vandalism. Thanks. Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:24, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Typhoon2013: PAGASA just named the TD as Jenny at 09:00 UTC, I don't think my previous revert was wrong. --A1Cafel (talk) 09:25, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps. However PAGASA updates their Twitter updates first and was published minutes before 09:00 UTC. Please do not do this again, and moreover, I have mentioned this in my edit summary. But still, you should not revert other people's edits with no valid explanation. Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:42, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
~changing article talk page discussions ~ Talk:Hurricane Dorian
~ what is your problem ~ you can't change what I write or what I put into a article's talk page discussion. Do you really think you have the authority to do that ~ if you do not like the picture I used ~ since there is a already a discussion on the articles talk page, you should use proper protocol with the talk page ~ what you did deleting my conversation. is very poor editing. I reverted your edits on Hurricane Dorian's article and your deletion of my edit on the talk page ~ do not revert with out discussing or I will report you to the administrators ~ Regards ~mitch~ (talk) 14:19, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Reverting to a redirect is disruptive
Please note that reverting Humberto to a redirect is disruptive considering 2 others already did so and it was reverted both times. NoahTalk 16:29, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
"S4Y" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect S4Y. Since you had some involvement with the S4Y redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 21:14, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Blocked
I have indefinitely blocked you for violating one of your unblock conditions: "You must not edit at all except from this account." You have been persistently and abusively editing while logged out.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bbb23: What should I do now? --A1Cafel (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- A1Cafel, Were you editing logged out / using other accounts as mentioned above? SQLQuery me! 02:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- SQL: I didn't use any IPs and other accounts for editing. I don't know perhaps the accidential logged-out counted or not. For example, I logged in in other Wikimedia project, but didn't get logged in at English Wikipedia while having a cross-wiki edit. Also, sometimes the Internet was error, the system may not detect my accounts and so it turns into the IP address. --A1Cafel (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- A1Cafel, Were you editing logged out / using other accounts as mentioned above? SQLQuery me! 02:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
A1Cafel (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
It has been more than three months since I was blocked. In this three months, a lot of things happened. I'm doing great, so no need to worry about me. Regarding to the violating of unblock condition, perhaps I may be using IP sometimes unintentionally. As mentioned before, I often made cross-wiki activity. Sometimes the network may not be able to load my account, eventually using the IP to edit. Also, I move to a new college, but the network in the college is not good. Network error sometimes occurred. For the changing of the username, I just want to have a new start, and I have no means to escape any checking as I do have a number of edits after changing the username. I know this is not an excuse for violating the unblock condition. I have the responsibility to check the logging status before editing. In this cooling period, I check the logging status every time to avoid accidental log out. Regarding since I was unblocked in February 2018, I made lots of contribution to the Wikipedia. This period could prove my willingness to improve the society, rather than doing vandalism/disruptive editing. This is my main difference between those LTA. I hope I can be unblocked with the monitoring of the logging status. If the admins believe that it is unacceptable, then I have nothing to said, and I'm willing to accept the sanctions for a longer time. I wish all editors living happily, and wish all of them a Happy New Year.
Decline reason:
So, an editor with a past history of abuse of multiple accounts, abusive editing without logging in, and lying about doing so, "accidentally" edited without logging in yet again, frequently enough and in such ways as to raise enough suspicions for a CheckUser to be run. Then, when that editor has been blocked again, other people, unconnected to that person, make edits which look to Bbb23, an experienced and competent CheckUser, so much like editing by that person that he states as a fact that it was them. Hmm. Yes, it could happen, but no, it doesn't look remotely likely. Give you the benefit of the doubt? Unfortunately you used up all your credit in that respect long ago, when you were persistently dishonest, were given more chances, and were dishonest again. Two years ago you were given a last chance, and you decided to blow that chance; you don't keep on getting more and more last chances. You were given clear conditions for being unblocked, you chose to violate those conditions, and what is more you now choose not even to accept that you did so. That's the end, as far as I am concerned. JBW (talk) 16:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- You have continued to edit using IPs since I blocked you.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have no edits on English Wikipedia since then. As mentioned before, I moved to a new college called Chinese University of Hong Kong. At first I don't want to say it due to privacy, but in order to facilitate the unblock, I have no choice. I do have login in CUHK, and I also noted that there are a number of edits using IP in CUHK. Is {{Shared IP edu}} affect the above results? --A1Cafel (talk) 15:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- The only way I would consider unblocking you is with a 1 account restriction, only from this account and no clean starts. But Bbb23's comment gives me pause --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 05:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Guerillero: The user already had a one-account restriction, which they violated. Worse, they deny it.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- It seems that Bbb23 misunderstand my statement. In the unblock request, I have admitted that I use IPs previously. To be honest, I have stopped editing after the re-block. I'm puzzled that why there is IP edits associated with my account. Simply checking the nearby IPs may not be accurate. Maybe the checkusers can take them out, and compare with my editing behaviour. As 2019-nCoV is threathening all around the world, I hope everyone is safe and stay healthy. Compared with three years ago, I become more calm. Even the request was declined, I won't feel bad, and I won't have hard feelings to anyone. I have find someplace for me to contribute Wikipedia in a proper way. Hope everyone has a nice time. --A1Cafel (talk) 14:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Guerillero: The user already had a one-account restriction, which they violated. Worse, they deny it.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- The only way I would consider unblocking you is with a 1 account restriction, only from this account and no clean starts. But Bbb23's comment gives me pause --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 05:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have no edits on English Wikipedia since then. As mentioned before, I moved to a new college called Chinese University of Hong Kong. At first I don't want to say it due to privacy, but in order to facilitate the unblock, I have no choice. I do have login in CUHK, and I also noted that there are a number of edits using IP in CUHK. Is {{Shared IP edu}} affect the above results? --A1Cafel (talk) 15:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
"Hurricane cristobal" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Hurricane cristobal. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 6#Hurricane cristobal until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. CycloneYoris talk! 01:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Blocked
I have indefinitely blocked you for violating one of your unblock conditions: "You must not edit at all except from this account." You have been persistently and abusively editing while logged out.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bbb23: What should I do now? --A1Cafel (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- A1Cafel, Were you editing logged out / using other accounts as mentioned above? SQLQuery me! 02:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- SQL: I didn't use any IPs and other accounts for editing. I don't know perhaps the accidential logged-out counted or not. For example, I logged in in other Wikimedia project, but didn't get logged in at English Wikipedia while having a cross-wiki edit. Also, sometimes the Internet was error, the system may not detect my accounts and so it turns into the IP address. --A1Cafel (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- A1Cafel, Were you editing logged out / using other accounts as mentioned above? SQLQuery me! 02:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
A1Cafel (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
It has been more than three months since I was blocked. In this three months, a lot of things happened. I'm doing great, so no need to worry about me. Regarding to the violating of unblock condition, perhaps I may be using IP sometimes unintentionally. As mentioned before, I often made cross-wiki activity. Sometimes the network may not be able to load my account, eventually using the IP to edit. Also, I move to a new college, but the network in the college is not good. Network error sometimes occurred. For the changing of the username, I just want to have a new start, and I have no means to escape any checking as I do have a number of edits after changing the username. I know this is not an excuse for violating the unblock condition. I have the responsibility to check the logging status before editing. In this cooling period, I check the logging status every time to avoid accidental log out. Regarding since I was unblocked in February 2018, I made lots of contribution to the Wikipedia. This period could prove my willingness to improve the society, rather than doing vandalism/disruptive editing. This is my main difference between those LTA. I hope I can be unblocked with the monitoring of the logging status. If the admins believe that it is unacceptable, then I have nothing to said, and I'm willing to accept the sanctions for a longer time. I wish all editors living happily, and wish all of them a Happy New Year.
Decline reason:
So, an editor with a past history of abuse of multiple accounts, abusive editing without logging in, and lying about doing so, "accidentally" edited without logging in yet again, frequently enough and in such ways as to raise enough suspicions for a CheckUser to be run. Then, when that editor has been blocked again, other people, unconnected to that person, make edits which look to Bbb23, an experienced and competent CheckUser, so much like editing by that person that he states as a fact that it was them. Hmm. Yes, it could happen, but no, it doesn't look remotely likely. Give you the benefit of the doubt? Unfortunately you used up all your credit in that respect long ago, when you were persistently dishonest, were given more chances, and were dishonest again. Two years ago you were given a last chance, and you decided to blow that chance; you don't keep on getting more and more last chances. You were given clear conditions for being unblocked, you chose to violate those conditions, and what is more you now choose not even to accept that you did so. That's the end, as far as I am concerned. JBW (talk) 16:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- You have continued to edit using IPs since I blocked you.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have no edits on English Wikipedia since then. As mentioned before, I moved to a new college called Chinese University of Hong Kong. At first I don't want to say it due to privacy, but in order to facilitate the unblock, I have no choice. I do have login in CUHK, and I also noted that there are a number of edits using IP in CUHK. Is {{Shared IP edu}} affect the above results? --A1Cafel (talk) 15:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- The only way I would consider unblocking you is with a 1 account restriction, only from this account and no clean starts. But Bbb23's comment gives me pause --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 05:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Guerillero: The user already had a one-account restriction, which they violated. Worse, they deny it.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- It seems that Bbb23 misunderstand my statement. In the unblock request, I have admitted that I use IPs previously. To be honest, I have stopped editing after the re-block. I'm puzzled that why there is IP edits associated with my account. Simply checking the nearby IPs may not be accurate. Maybe the checkusers can take them out, and compare with my editing behaviour. As 2019-nCoV is threathening all around the world, I hope everyone is safe and stay healthy. Compared with three years ago, I become more calm. Even the request was declined, I won't feel bad, and I won't have hard feelings to anyone. I have find someplace for me to contribute Wikipedia in a proper way. Hope everyone has a nice time. --A1Cafel (talk) 14:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Guerillero: The user already had a one-account restriction, which they violated. Worse, they deny it.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- The only way I would consider unblocking you is with a 1 account restriction, only from this account and no clean starts. But Bbb23's comment gives me pause --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 05:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have no edits on English Wikipedia since then. As mentioned before, I moved to a new college called Chinese University of Hong Kong. At first I don't want to say it due to privacy, but in order to facilitate the unblock, I have no choice. I do have login in CUHK, and I also noted that there are a number of edits using IP in CUHK. Is {{Shared IP edu}} affect the above results? --A1Cafel (talk) 15:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Your deletion request...
Hi! I see that you requested a deletion in one of my older images. I opposed, as it is clearly my work, used in a few articles. Yes, it is from Facebook as you claimed, however it is definitely from me. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Concern regarding Draft:Hurricane Helene (2018)
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Your draft article, Draft:Hurricane Helene (2018)
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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
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This pic is at the source. Just check out the whole timelime of "The Queen's connection to Queensland" on the webpage. Peter Ormond 💬 06:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Please restore it. It is there. Peter Ormond 💬 08:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
zunda towers
hello, A1Cafel! i noticed that you nominated a number of pictures on commons of the zunda towers for deletion because latvia does not freely permit the commercial use of images of works of architecture protected by copyright, which i was sad to learn about. however, after some digging, i learned that en wikipedia "[b]asically ... accept[s] images of buildings and structures taken anywhere in the world", according to wp:fop. i am assuming that this means that there are no issues with hosting these images on en wikipedia. do you agree? if so, would you mind copying these files over to en wikipedia? i cannot seem to figure out how to do it (or even figure out if it is possible to do so), and am guessing that you are far more familiar with commons than i am.
also, i just noticed that two of the files nominated were uploaded by Spi-group, an account that was presumably operated by the spi group. this group is involved with the zunda towers project, and i am assuming that they have the right to reproduce images of the towers for commercial purposes. as spi-group has noted that these two photos are their own work, and they have licensed both photos under cc by-sa 4.0, would this be considered sufficient to have them both remain on commons? the two photos in question are named "3Q Z-Towers facade .jpg" and "Z-Towers .jpg". dying (talk) 10:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
