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Request to add invitation to contactEdit

I was wondering if an optional parameter can be added that produces a brief sentence to invite the welcomed user to contact the signer, for example, "You can also contact me in my talk page if you have questions. Happy editing!". Thinker78 (talk) 23:46, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@Thinker78, you can do that with {{Welcome|customend=You can also contact me in my talk page if you have questions. Happy editing!}}. But I wouldn't recommend it. Newcomers are often overwhelmed by all the different forums on Wikipedia, and while we might perceive telling them about all the places they can ask questions as helpful, they're more likely to perceive it as overwhelming and to be unsure where they should go. Giving them a single best place (right now the Teahouse, but likely soon the mentor model being developed) works better. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 00:01, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I do know about the custom message, but because some editors like myself would feel inviting newcomers to contact us, it would be good if the message can be added automatically. The issue with the Teahouse or the help desk is that they feel more distant than getting in touch with someone directly. And I don't know the statistics, but personally I was never overwhelmed by forums in Wikipedia. In fact I wanted more contact with people.Thinker78 (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, the WMF Growth Team found that new editors like to be able to communicate with a single editor directly; that's why the mentorship feature which will likely replace the Teahouse here will involve an individual mentor for each new editor.
Relying on our own experiences is likely to lead to survivorship bias—the editors who were overwhelmed enough to quit aren't around to tell us about it. But even among established editors, I've heard quite a few talk about how early on they felt overwhelmed. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 21:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
@Thinker78:, don't forget that you have another alternative: after saving the subst'ed template, edit again and add whatever you want. I do this not infrequently, to customize the message. You can, too. Mathglot (talk) 10:43, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
@Mathglot, yeah, customization is super important. Editing twice has the minor drawback of giving the recipient two "you have new messages" notifications, which can be a little confusing. More significantly, it can't currently be done through Twinkle, which only allows |art= to be set. I've requested that the personalized message parameters be added, and I hope the ticket gets taken up eventually. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 18:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
When I edit twice, I don't re-sig, so no duplicate notification to the user. Mathglot (talk) 16:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Fixed whitespaceEdit

This template was generating 3 blank lines between the heading and the text so I added some whitespace stripping when the image and border parameters are not used. let me know if this causes a problem. Frietjes (talk) 16:35, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Anyone watching?Edit

As I understand it, logged in users now have the automatic signing thing by default, so should we do something about "Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, as I understand it, users have the reply tool turned on by default, but not yet the new section feature, so when starting a talk page section, they still need to know to sign. Hopefully the talk pages project will also activate that by default soon, at which point I agree we'll want to remove the line here (and elsewhere, e.g. {{Talk header}}). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 07:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
@Sdkb Thanks, that's more than I know. How about adding "Comments in existing talkpage-discussions are signed automatically." for now? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's worthwhile to put effort into workshopping and implementing such a temporary adjustment (I'm hoping it's only a matter of weeks), but if others feel more strongly, I'd be fine with a tweak like that. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 07:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
@Sdkb, FYI:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Hear_ye,_hear_ye Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Yep! I'll plan to remove that line once the tool goes live tomorrow. (I don't think we need to add any text about comments being signed automatically; the point of automatic signing is that you don't have to think about it.) {{u|Sdkb}}talk 14:41, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Should we state something like "Your comments on discussion-pages will generally be signed automatically, but if you use the plain source editor, you need to sign your comments by..." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:12, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
No. Many newcomers will be confused by the attempted distinction between the source editor vs. visual editor alone. The interface guides newcomers to use VE, and if they choose source anyways they're forewarned that there will be trickier elements, so it's not something we need to warn them about here. It's worth remembering that our whole goal with a welcome is to boil things down to the bare minimum essentials needed to get started productively; every element we remove helps emphasize the others more. Now that most newcomers won't need to worry about signing, including language about it anyways would just distract and create confusion; it's no longer the first thing we need to tell people after they register. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 14:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
So, just remove Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. then? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Yep. Nice and simple. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 14:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)