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All presidential elections should be listed. 2014 will be the first election where the people directly vote but that is no reason to dismiss all prior elections. Consider Template:United States presidential elections given how U.S. presidents are never elected by the general public. -- A Certain White Catchi? 18:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
The US template is only for presidential elections, and we have that for Turkey - {{Turkish presidential elections}}. The combined templates like this do not feature non-public elections. Number57 19:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Exactly why do we have the 2014 election on this template then? Even the defunct senate elections are listed here. -- A Certain White Catchi? 19:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Because the 2014 elections will be a public election. See for example {{Czech elections}} - the 2013 one was the first public election of the President. Number57 19:12, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
I also have edits on {{Russian elections}} and {{Soviet elections}} - in fact I created both of them - but you are happy to use those as reasons for other edits. Re consensus, any discussions on the subject have never resulted in indirect elections being added to these templates, so I guess you could say there is perhaps no consensus for them to be added, and as they weren't there to start with, they've remained off the templates. There are other editors who share this opinion though. Number57 19:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
You cannot decide on inclusion criteria like this. There should be a broader discussion first. -- A Certain White Catchi? 19:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
So I propose the restoration of the presidential elections. Italic is future elections perhaps bold or some other font gimmick can be used for indirect elections. Ideally I would like to see all major political elections and referendums in one nav template. -- A Certain White Catchi? 23:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
I disagree. Only public elections should be on this template. Number57 10:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
So you are not open to compromise or discussion of any kind? Why must it ONLY be direct elections? When and where was this agreed? -- A Certain White Catchi? 21:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Well, a compromise would mean including them, which is not standard practice. If you want to open this to wider discussion, then by all means please start a discussion on WP:Elections and referendums. Number57 11:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
I have split the Ottoman elections to the template you made and added a see also. However, we should also add that "see also" section to the templates of other countries that were in the Ottoman Empire. Can we make a list here? I'll start with Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Jordan and Iraq. Number57 19:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
A see also is fine but I really do not like how the Russian template links to the soviet template. I would suggest linking to the Wikipedia article itself. -- A Certain White Catchi? 19:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Good work. So what other templates do we need to add this to. I know the Ottoman Empire lost countries like Bulgaria and Egypt around the time of the first elections, but not sure of the exact dates... Number57 19:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Election results and etc aren't even on the article nor are the constitutional ratifications. Even the article on Turkish elections is a bullet list. I am inclined to convert it to a table. -- A Certain White Catchi? 19:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
The template lists the following as the successors to the Ottoman Empire, and I followed the succession tree. A good number soon after ceased to exist and new ones created. As of today even the below list is a "work in progress" in some countries maybe.
Ottoman Empire
Turkish Provisional Government
Modern day Turkey
First Hellenic Republic
Complicated structure in successions - goes back and forth between each other between certain dates
Kingdom of Greece
(Second) Hellenic State
Greek military junta of 1967–74
Modern day Greece
Khedivate of Egypt
Sultanate of Egypt
Republic of Egypt
United Arab Republic
Modern day Egypt
Modern day Syria
Republic of Sudan
Democratic Republic of Sudan
Modern day Sudan
Modern day South Sudan
Italian Libya
British Military Administration (Libya)
Emirate of Cyrenaica
Kingdom of Libya (below)
Fezzan-Ghadames (French Administration)
Kingdom of Libya
Libyan Arab Republic
Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
National Transitional Council
Modern day Libya
Condominium of Bosnia and Herzegovina
State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs
Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (Kingdom of Yugoslavia)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
Modern day Croatia
Modern day Slovenia
Modern day Macedonia
Modern day Bosnia and Herzegovina
Serbia and Montenegro
Modern day Serbia
Modern day Montenegro
Kingdom of Italy
Italian Social Republic (was taken over by Italian Republic (below))
Modern day Italian Republic
Vatican City
Free Territory of Trieste (Administered by the UNSC, was divided among Italian Republic (above) and Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (above))
Ethiopian Empire
Italian East Africa
East African Campaign (World War II)#Somalia & Eritrea
State of Somaliland (merged with Somali Republic below)
Trust Territory of Somalia (merged with Somali Republic below)
Ethiopian Empire (below)
Federation of Ethiopia and Eritrea
Derg
People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
Transitional Government of Ethiopia
Modern day Ethiopia
Modern day Eritrea
French Fourth Republic
Modern day France
Kingdom of Greece (above)
Trust Territory of Somalia
Somali Republic
Somali Democratic Republic
Transitional National Government
Transitional Federal Government
Modern day Somalia
French protectorate of Tunisia
Kingdom of Tunisia
Modern day Tunisia
Kingdom of Libya (above)
Kingdom of Egypt (above)
People's Socialist Republic of Albania
Modern day Albania
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (above)
Emirate of Diriyah
Back to Ottoman Empire (as Eyalet of Egypt)
Hejaz Vilayet (Restructuring in Ottoman Empire when parts were scened from Eyalet of Egypt)
Kingdom of Hejaz
Transjordan
Modern day Jordan
Modern day Saudi Arabia (Al Jawf Province was ceded to Saudi Arabia)
Kingdom of Nejd and Hejaz (below)
Khedivate of Egypt (above)
Emirate of Nejd
Emirate of Jabal Shammar
Sultanate of Nejd (below)
Emirate of Nejd and Hasa
Sultanate of Nejd
Kingdom of Nejd and Hejaz
Modern day Saudi Arabia
Trucial States
Modern day United Arab Emirates
Provisional Government of Albania
Principality of Albania
Republic of Central Albania
Principality of Albania
Albanian Republic
Albanian Kingdom
Albanian Kingdom (1939–43) (Protectorate and dependency of Italy)
Albanian Kingdom (1943–44) (Puppet state of Nazi Germany)
People's Socialist Republic of Albania
Modern day Albania
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (above)
Republic of Mirdita (brief unrecognized existence for about a year)
The next question is which of these territories were under Ottoman control when elections took place - i.e. between 1877 and 1920. Number57 11:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
I don't quite understand. Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire is an article on its own. This is how the map changed more or less since just before WW1 (say we pick 1877 as the cut-off date) all the way to today. Successions came after successions and the templates should follow this tree more or less - at least when the countries have elections. Albania seems to have among the more complex series of successions. -- A Certain White Catchi? 17:05, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
The Empire lost territory over time. We only need to include the See also on templates of countries that were part of the Empire during the period it held elections. Hope that makes sense? Number57 10:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
All of the listed was ceded during or after the empire held the first elections. I am thinking of having a broader linkage between the templates as countries rise and fall during the near history. Like how Ottoman Empire, USSR, Yugoslavia became many new countries with their fall. I basically liked your idea on USSR/Russia templates and I think such linking would benefit more voting templates. -- A Certain White Catchi? 20:02, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Cool. I have done it on other templates where states resulted from breakups - see e.g. {{Serbian elections}}, or as an alternative (where several states came together), {{South African elections}}.
United Arab Republic is certainly another interesting anomaly in the mix. Likewise Yemen. -- A Certain White Catchi? 23:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Re the UAR, there were no elections that took place during the period before Syria left (there was a simultaneous referendum in both countries on establishing the UAR, but at that point they were separate countries). For examples like Yemen (and Tanzania), the countries that merged to form the modern country are both included on the template on separate rows. Probably would have done that for South Africa if there hadn't been so many predecessor states. Number57 11:42, 9 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
Indeed a template should handle the referendums. UAR never had any elections of any kind as long as it existed? No elections in the predecessor countries? I think election templates should explain succession to a degree. At least state which country was before this one - even if there were no elections. -- A Certain White Catchi? 21:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
But the referendums were held whilst the two were separate countries. During the united period, there were no elections or referendums. Number57 11:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
